7afte Bible, The how to: Options

[nik]

***** up date here it is http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=howto&itu=128 ****


This a few topics that have to do with turboing a 7afe into a 7afte

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14314&hl=7atfe

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=16834&hl=7afte

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=16357&hl=7afte

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=15841&hl=7afte

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=14991&hl=7afte

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12622&hl=7afte

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=12026&hl=7afte

http://www.mr2supercharger.com/7Aengines.html

I’m in the process ( I slacked off a little) of writing up a how to turbo your 7afe motor I have pics of every thing I did when I turboed my car but I would like input on it from some of the following people OOBE, ZIPSTRIPS, FORKEE, KWANA26, 97SCCELICA, EDO17982, SHID, just to name a few. And any additional info you guys have throw it in.

thanks NIK

This post has been edited by nik: Oct 14, 2004 - 4:33 PM

[nik]

PARTS LIST

http://mdweiss.ods.org/celica/7AFTE.htm

[celicarocker]

"Check Valves(2) $5 Petco bleed off pressure from MAP "

petco? ahaha...

anyway, i hate you... this makes me want to turbo my 7a

[Irishflame27]

yeah man i cant wait for that DIY

[97sccelica]

[zipstrips]

i have half finsihed how to lol... nik has my turbo kit i built! haha.

[Delta_Phoenix]

looking forward to this :-D

[doGGy]

well, i will join this tread too... anything you want just ask, cuz i and Edo done so much researh on this TURBO KIT, that my head hearts from even thinging about 7A engine...

[nik]

i should have it done and ready for review Thrusday of this week.

[Irishflame27]

AWESOME!!

[Exile04]

THANK THE LORD

(<<<nik's car)
AND HIS HOLY PROPHETS
OOBE, ZIPSTRIPS, FORKEE, KWANA26, 97SCCELICA, EDO17982, SHID

THANK HIS WOMEN DOGGY (just kidding)




This post has been edited by Exile04: Oct 12, 2004 - 1:04 PM

[crazycel18]

Okay im a newbie when it comes to celicas but isnt the 7afe only able to produce 7 psi for boost with out f'in up the motor

[OOBE]

Yes...7 is the magic number...7 PSI on 7A-FE and then BOOM!
Hehe just kidding, that's just a rumor, brother, it holds way more than that. I boosted it to 12 with a bad piston and stock injectors running lean as hell and the other three pistons are still fine.

[crazycel18]

well thanks i think you just saved me some money

[zipstrips]

i ran 15 on a bad piston ring trying to blow her up...it just wouldnt happen.. a must have for any and every 7afte is a WIDEBAND 02. no not the autometer a/f a REAL meter like a invoative wide band or maybe aem's... with that u can tune it to not lean out and your set.. make sure u use the correct oil too. pennzoil makes oil specifically for turbo and id also reccomend royal purple.. mobile 1 is recycled anymore and cost is higher than the royal.

[FallenHero]

I completely agree that a wideband O2 is key in this, but I wonder... if you used the autometer and kept it on the rtich side, wouldn't you be ok? I mean, it's not exact, but you should be able to have a safe area.

[zipstrips]

[hyp3rk1d]

no more castrol oil??

[FallenHero]

[nik]

ok i need help this file with just the pictures is 38 MB can anyone down size them i'll e-mail coomer see if he can help

[hyp3rk1d]

Ill prolly go with a boost and EGT for now.. My FMU is 10:1 so iam sure iam gettin enough fuel and ill get it dynoed and have the guy lean out some spots that are to rich... Down then road i might get a wideband but iam not sure.. Hows that approach sound?

[OOBE]

A wideband O2 sensor will protect your investment. I'm also going standalone EMS with the Celica after I do it first with my Supra. 2 Microtech EMS are expensive. Supra has more horsepower so it gets the priority for standalone and wideband O2 sensor.

[nik]

i'm going one step lower than OOBE with a piggyback system i just bought a Greddy Profec E-01 to go with my Greddy E-manager with a A/B cable and the injector and timing harness. not as good as OOBE's but should do really well.

[OOBE]

GReddy e-Manage is an awesome thing, man. Some Supra guys use them and it yields them great results...way better than the archaic VPC/GCC combo (which I have ). For like $600-$700, you have control of timing, boost, additional injectors, datalogging with the E-01, etc. You'll still be pimping.

[nik]

thanks oobe ok guys i'm going to be posting the pics on Cardomain then importing them here so its going to take a little time.

This post has been edited by nik: Oct 14, 2004 - 9:04 AM

[nik]

here is just a rough draft http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/521899/4 and my grammer and spelling suck sorry.

[sinner96ST]

[nik]

[nik]

i'll have to add the pics when i get home my work computer wont let me anyways do you guys have anything to add?? and rate my car while your in my cardomain

[Irishflame27]

im siked man thanks for helping us all out!

[nik]

ok listen up i just submitted a how to: to coomer and he is going to get it posted today. The write up has a bunch of pictures. hope you guys like it and look for a the *2nd COMING*a bunch of pics and walk through of egt,boost,a/f, oil pressure/temp guage install and up graded injectors install boost up to 10 psi and the big treat a walk through of installing the Greddy Profec E-01 with the emenager with some minor tuning to start with along with the a greddy turbo timer install lots to come. all this and the dyno sheets to prove the 7afe isn't that weak anymore.

This post has been edited by nik: Oct 14, 2004 - 4:49 PM

[nik]

if you missed it http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=howto&itu=128 here is the how to artical with pics.

[OOBE]

7A-FE is not weak...just delicate.

[nik]

do you guys have anything to add ?? to the how to?? and oobe i'll change the wording in the first part

[OOBE]

You should add to the How- To the DON'T DOs I wrote in the thread I wrote a few months ago. I haven't read your How - To yet, because I'm at work and I don't want to feel overwhelmed if I need to chime in something.

[nik]

That’s a good idea I’ll look for your don’t do comments and in the how to I wrote it really fast so my grammar and punctuation sucks. I also might have left out a few little things.

[nik]

OOBE like 1. upgrade your fuel pump its a must
2. dont boost over 12 psi off the bat
3. dont buy a bigger turbo than your car can handle. "T88"

ok you guys add some stuff and i edit the how to: to them

[Drocay]

hows a t28bb, because the i could only find one company that will get the 7afe turbo manifold and it costs $269

[playr158]

ok i know a good deal about all that but just a few questions
and nik why did you direct your turbo so the intake side was facing the left? wouldn't it be better if the intake side faced right, so that the intercooler piping would run directly down and then across and up to the TB? instead of down acrossed to the IC then back across through the IC then up to the TB?

the greddy e-management, piggy back right?
and the greddy profec E-01 what does that do?

EDIT: Also on TURBO specs. what is good?

Garret T3 turbo, internal wastegate, 50 trim, 0.48 a/r???

This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 16, 2004 - 12:44 PM

[playr158]

oh i also found a helpful site maybe

http://www.turbocalculator.com/custom.html

info on custom turbo kits and has good prices

what else goes on this list?
7afte setup
Spearco Intercooler
29” x 6” x 3” = 325$ ebay
Garret T3 turbo
50 trim, 0.48 A/R internal waste gate = 359$ - turbocalculator.com
TurboXS standard boost controller = 79$ - turbocalculator.com
FMU
Vortech 10:1 FMU = 31$ - 99$ ebay
Turbo BOV
Turbo XS = 96$ ebay
Walbro pump
Supra 7mgte = 85-95$ ebay
Manifold
Custom 200$ maybe?
Boost guage – 50$
EGT gauge – 50$
Apexi safc II – 325$ anywhere


This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 16, 2004 - 12:34 PM

[zipstrips]

[playr158]

what about the rest of that info i asked....anybody?

[doGGy]

E-manage - piggy back ECU with better oportunities on Injector duty control, ignition map control real time data loging and etc. Try to search goooooogle

Profec E01 is boost controler (adtional piece to E-manage for monitoring everything instead of using PC), so it controls boost and add's some options to emanage.

The trim you named is good. But the T3/T4 combo is better.

[nik]

[playr158]

thANKS nik

[nik]

how close are you playr158 just starting? got a few parts ?

This post has been edited by nik: Oct 18, 2004 - 9:30 AM

[playr158]

lol i have 30 $ in my pocket and a 85$ parking ticket to pay so i'm just starting and doing LOTS O RESEARCH and i'm relying on you mostly and some of the others (oobe, zip, ect..) to carry me through this since this is my first BIG engine project. i'm expecting to have the parts by end of summer...and turboed my next xmas(05') so i'm in my baby stages and learning As much as possible first

but i think the solid T3 non hybrid is my choice
and the E-01 is that in echange for the Turboxs standard boost controller?
or can i keep that and add it on? or can you referance me to a simplier CHEAPer alternative to the E-01? cause i don't need sumthing that extensive


This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 18, 2004 - 9:52 AM

[nik]

[playr158]

ok i'm defenitly doin the MBC txs, and how is it adjustable?
and NIK do you have a SN? if so IM me on srplayr158
and is 10:1 ok or is 12:1 better?

oh and i need the oil feed lines, what do i do about those were to get?

This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 18, 2004 - 10:09 AM

[nik]

[playr158]

mmk thanks, i'll get JGS cause its easiest....

[Drocay]

can any of u guys answer my question, how would a t28bb do on our engines because thats the only type of manifold i can find other that a t25.

[nik]

[playr158]

with the setup i posted earlier missing a few things is 1600$ and some change

[Sev408]

Instead of a Spearco buy one an IC from http://www.johnnyracecar.com/, they are good quality cost about 150 to 200 and they fit nicely in the bumper. My friend has one on his Turbod Teg.
Spearco Intercooler
29” x 6” x 3” = 325$ ebay
Garret T3 turbo
50 trim, 0.48 A/R internal waste gate = 359$ - turbocalculator.com
TurboXS standard boost controller = 79$ - turbocalculator.com
FMU
Vortech 10:1 FMU = 31$ - 99$ ebay
Turbo BOV
Turbo XS = 96$ ebay
Walbro pump
Supra 7mgte = 85-95$ ebay
Manifold
Custom 200$ maybe?
Boost guage – 50$
EGT gauge – 50$
Apexi safc II – 325$ anywhere


Also am I going to require a SAFC II? would a used one work? and Im looking at using a ct26 instead of a t3 so maybe my costs will be a bit lower.

This post has been edited by Sev408: Oct 18, 2004 - 5:33 PM

[nik]

IMO i wouldn't skimp on the major (turbo, manifold, intercooler) items. Buy good stuff new if possible as shid said in a post you dont need a 1500 intercooler that flows next to perfection 200-300 will do the trick the intercooler you mentioned i got one of his 5" tall ones and it works fine.

On the SAFC 2 or 1 if your tight on money just the fmu will control your fuel need the safc will just fine tune it i say go with the fmu for now then upgrade later.
On the turbo issue i think you can find the t3 at the some or cheaper than the ct-26 but remeber if your getting a turbo on ebay be careful.

This post has been edited by nik: Oct 19, 2004 - 10:22 AM

[playr158]

yea my T3 is coming from turbocalculator.com cause thats the cheapest i've found so far, the manifold i will have a pro shop up here make for me, and the intercooler i think i'm getting that jonnyracecar.com 6"

oh and the FMU can run on its own with out the SAFC I with no problems so i can skip the SAFCI for now and get it later on with out running into boost issues

This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 19, 2004 - 12:56 PM

[RbrtNdrws]

sorry im sure this has been answered soo many times but I was just wondering how much of an increase you are gettin with your turbo set up nik. thanks,
rob

[playr158]

you can achieve up to 50% but normally, people are goin from like 90HP to around 140hp? maybe maybe 160hp?

[Sev408]

yeah but with teh 7a you are mostly gaining massive amounts of torque over hp.


so im looking at teh turbocalculator refurbished t3 which is the one they sell. With a 10:1 FMU and no SafcII.

with that I will not have any issues and my motor should hopefully be fine?

daniel let me know where your getting your manifold made at?

This post has been edited by Sev408: Oct 21, 2004 - 4:21 PM

[nik]

[Sev408]

nik when you turn your car off do you have a turbo timer? if not what are you doing?


and will 2.5 inch exhaust be fine or should i run 2.25?

This post has been edited by Sev408: Oct 21, 2004 - 5:34 PM

[hyp3rk1d]

2.5 or 3

[playr158]

2.5

[nik]