any idea what this could be Options

[DamDirtyApes]

my car has a weird idle, it will move all around. also the car shudders like hell when its idling. and i have no power. my friends accord KILLED me ina race. he has like 120 hp and its old and crappy. could this be compression issues?

[celicarocker]

[Kwanza26]

You got any codes? CEL?

[turboinduction]

Check the exhaust, like if the Cat is clogged or likewise. That would explain the odd idle, and no power.... maybe even the car might just quit.

did this just happen, or has it got worse over time?

If over time, check in intake and make sure the filter is nice and clean. Clean the throttle body area too for gunk. Check plug/wires, they might need a change. Maybe its a fuel pump problem, not getting you the right amound needed. Its possibly the transmission since you have an auto. Just some ideas, hope I helped.

-Ti

[lagos]

sounds like a vac leak or dirty air filter. check your engine bay for cracked or loose hoses.

[DamDirtyApes]

88,000 miles


new plugs, new air filter, new fuel filter, 10,000 mile old timing belt, 89 octane fuel, original exhaust i think. nothing different lights up in gauge cluster.

i just had idle air intake senser changed a few months back which fixed a stalling problem. but since then the idle has been weird and the car shudders. this has gotten a little bit worse over the past few months. and now that i think of it i think the exhaust soudns a little bit different. also i might hear a weird sound in the engine bay. im not sure


o yeah alternator seems noisy. i dont know if that woudl make a difference

This post has been edited by DamDirtyApes: Oct 16, 2004 - 9:11 PM

[lagos]

DamDirtyApes, pop your hood and take a look around. you intake piping may have come loose or something like that.

[DamDirtyApes]

when i looked in engine bay earlier it seemed normal

[turboinduction]

Put your hand behind the exhaust, and check to see if its normal. If it spurts or is really slow, your probably clogged. I've seen this problem on even new cars, so dont worry.

As for the air intake sensor.... are you talking about the 02 sensor in the intake pipe. It kindof looks like a probe in the intake pipe. YOU NEED THIS. Make sure its in and in good. This will cause weird problems with idle and accel. Also make sure the throttle body its cleaned up and all plug ins are plugged in. (throttle body: peice of metal between the intake pipe and intake manifold. Its a flapper door.)

-Ti

Let us know

[woode87]

WHAT UP ADAM!!!

hey guys, i decided to register since damdirtyapes=my friend.. i own an integra

adam your car would get wasted by a 120hp accord anyways if it was a stick shift ahahahaha

but..
some ideas since i dont know full story:
-injectors (buy some cleaner, mix w/ fuel)
-cam/rocker arms
-coil/dist (check all 4 cyls for a spark.. start w/ the easy stuff, this would make idle inconsistant if spark wasnt always present.. also would not give you much power)
-exhaust (i doubt it tho)
-fuel filter (youd be suprised..)
-air filter
-test out the spark, also see what happens if you turn on your high beams and press brakes real hard right after you turn on the car.. (watch the idle)
also go behind exhaust and smell it.. (yes breaaaaathe inn.. no dont) also see if its like spitting anything, or if its like put put put SPUTTER put put SPUT type thing..
and um.. oxygen sensor maybe, or intake sensor... i dont know much on the toyota scene @_@

also, didnt you put in angel eyes or somethin like that? are you sure you didnt unplug something on accident? (o2 sensor.. spark plug wire..) i wouldnt be suprised with you..

p.s. my cars still faster than yours adam! ahahahahh

This post has been edited by woode87: Oct 16, 2004 - 10:13 PM

[DamDirtyApes]

woode u doof, i have new fuel filter and air filter

the senser i had replaced was some stupid one that was there to regulate the amount of air intake during idle or something... really stupid expensive chip

[woode87]

you had someone else put a new sensor in.. oh god adam.. oh god.. you can do it yourself faster and cheaper (actually i dont know if YOU could do it yourself.. ahahh)

but check the other 10 things on my list..

to check rocker arms: (if to tight, your car would bog.. if to loose your car would have slight knock/valve lash and you would also loose power) take off valve cover (idk on a toyota, but like 5 nuts) then just wiggle em, they shouldnt be able to wiggle much at all. if they can, you use a wrench to back off the nut, then back off or screw in the screw, then tighten the nut again.

to check alternator: put on anything that uses power and watch the idle
to test dist-related: turn on car, pull off the plug-wires goin into dist 1 at a time, and hold about 1 inch from the dist, if you see sparks jump then thats okay dokay
u should get some injector cleaner anyways, its like $5 and cant hurt
o2 sensor.. another possibility, you would notice bad idle, bad power, bogging..
exhaust.. i doubt it, take it off and look.

This post has been edited by woode87: Oct 16, 2004 - 10:38 PM

[DamDirtyApes]

i just checked it out, air intake seems fine, vac lines seem fine, wires are fine woode u doof.

the exhaust might be a little "spurty" it seems a tad bit louder than usual. does this help out guys?

[woode87]

if exhaust is spurty then it still could be rocker arms, exhaust, alternator, dist..anything.. doesnt narrow it much really

[turboinduction]

That sensor that measures the intake is the 02 sensor. Honda-loser here, whoops I mean Woode (its a toyo forum -expect bashing - all in fun though) is right in the fact that you can pull the 02 sensor out in about 20 seconds. I doubt its rocker arms since 5S's dont have that problem. I personally think its a flow problem outside the block. Either intake/sensors or exhaust. Of course, I have a buddy you know Apes that can help you out. His name is "Toyota Garage."

-Ti

Hope I helped some

[woode87]

[DamDirtyApes]

eric go back to ur ricer boards. lol . dont forget ur type r stickers either

[woode87]

toyota is made in japan too lol..

and im shaved clean, like your mom! ahahah

[DamDirtyApes]

lol dude what has living in snohomish done TO YOU!

[Kwanza26]

[woode87]

you toyotaies are lucky.. us hondaies dont get codes unless the car is basically dead, or the seatbelts are unplugged (oh god the seatbelts code.. it does so many things to the car!)

[97GTinKC]

Sounds more like you have a tank of bad fuel, maybe some water in the gas, put a bottle of Heet or some other gas line dryer through it...and did you change the plug wires recently???

[Kwanza26]

[Pali_playa]

[Pali_playa]

same thing happned to me, i think ur gettin a mis fire in one of your cylnders

[DamDirtyApes]

the plugs are bosch +4s and are pregapped. they are the right ones for the car. the wires are original. so should i itry replacing wires?

[GeEkBoY]

[DamDirtyApes]

well ill have to try that. dam toyota they get everysingle one of my dollars..... pretty soon im going to have spent over 10k at the dealership

[DamDirtyApes]

i just put some stp fuel treatment in, proberly wont make a difference but cant hurt for 1 dollar a bottle

[toyotatech3]

[DamDirtyApes]

those +4s are good, what are u talking about

[toyotatech3]

[DamDirtyApes]

ur the only person that has said that so far...

[spunky393]

you don't know what you're talking about toyotech, the bosch +4's are a very good match for our GT ignitions, very high voltage, pre-gapped, works wonderful. I havn't had ONE problem in either of my celica's with these, and that's all i ran in them, unless have a smoother ride is a problem. And the Coil comment, just go ahead and check that now, i was having a rough idle, and i found my coil had a nice, positivily charged gunk stuck to it. It should be smooth and shiny, also, check for cracks in the distributer.

[woode87]

[Kwanza26]

[klr_toy]

definetly replace the wires. before I hit 100k miles my car was running rough and performance was just poor. I replaced all normal maintenance stuff. cap, rotor, plugs, filters, etc. Wires didn't look bad or anything and I couldn't see them arcing or anything to make me think they were the problem. I eventually replaced them and it fixed the rough idling and poor performance. I would definetly give it a try

[shid]

I just had the idle speed sensor changed for me as well; it's not exactly in an easy place to get to or easy to change

[toyotatech3]

[DamDirtyApes]

... wow lol

[spunky393]

[toyotatech3]

i did'nt say they don't work for me i said customers that bring thier cars in to the shop! i'm not trying to cause problems here i'm just telling u what i know, take how you want.

[Kwanza26]

Personally... spark plugs work all the same regardless of brands. Some work better on some cars than others... In this case, Bosch plugs in a Toyota is fine. I'm running some Bosch in my 20V (not by choice...). I personally like to keep japanese brands on japanese cars... but that doesn't mean Bosch don't work correctly or anything like that on a Japanese car. They all do the same thing (efficeincy depends on design). Bosch might not be the best for a Toyota because the engine might not have been designed to work with those plugs specifically, but it will work fine. it's not a bad plug. I still think it's his plug gaps... but yeah... whatever.

[woode87]

[fastgt]

[Kwanza26]

[DamDirtyApes]

lol woodes a classic ricer, be easy on him guys, he trash talks everyone lol

[woode87]

i know nothing? iv done 7 engine swaps, 4 honda, 1 chevy, 2 toyota.. my old accord was 100% custom, turbo, running 8psi on a 20 year old accord w/ the stock A20 block pushing just over 300hp at the wheels.

what have you done? got that custom ebay intake and maybe a $150 exhaust tip w/ a 5" outlet and a 1.5" inlet?

[spunky393]

woode, i would shut your mouth while your....well, you're behind, and you'll stay behind with kwanza, he'll literally stick his hand through the broadband internet and bitch slap you. So, keep it down, this is a 6gc site, we don't give a **** about your honda experiences. That's for OT, and, well, other than coomer being the immediate God here for the site, Kwanza IS THE GOD of our cars, and most other cars. So, basically, shut it

[fastgt]

^ what he said, kwanza is one of the best guys on the site

[playr158]

i never talk **** but OMGosh this deserves it.........
you can quote me here"not all honda owners are idiots and its not their falt they drive civics and such, sum of them are nice......but DAMN you take the cake woode...i've never heard a dumber honda owner then you minus the honda guy who said "let me turn on my turbo" but let me give you sum info.....Kwanza was considering FABRICATING the FIRST ever set of ITB for the 7afe engine, he works on more cars then you could dream about....he would rape you with his knowledge of cars.. IMO you are a prime example of why most hte car community is down on hondas cause they don't know **** besides let me bolt on a coffe can, and an aem and say vroom! but tone it down or get off this is about celica's not hondas so keep your honda **** down.....and don't talk smack about people you don't know cause to my knowledge kwanza posted about a honda his shop is working on with ITB and its hauling some butt from my recollection i do believe so he not only knows toyota but he knows honda as well probably enough to kick youin the butt with it about 500 times......"

this is my two cents...no i'm not a mechanic and i don't know everything about cars...but in know kwanza knows more than you so SHUT THE F UP

[Kwanza26]

[playr158]

hahaha word ^^^^^^^^

sounds like 2f2f

wats a better motor for my skyline??

................


didn't know pizza places made motors WAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[woode87]

a20s arent all carbed
the A20A1 is carbed, and can be easily converted to EFI
the A20A3 is EFI 16 valve, cast iron block -- nice to turbo. and the A20A3 came from late 80s preludes and late 80s accords. they can hold about 11 pounds of boost before stock internals are in any danger.

as to 300whp.. who said i was on stock interals? and its easier to make more power from obd0 than the newer models cars cuz of emissions.

[woode87]

in answer to your question aobut the b16 im vs the gsr b18 im.. b16's 1 is bigger

[DamDirtyApes]

SO NE WAYS ABOTU MY PROBERLEM.... i got new wires, cap, and rotor, ill be puttin them in tommarow. but im going to keep my bosch +4s, becuase they kick ass.. so there

[woode87]

[shadycrew31]

bosch's suck buy ngk. and there is no o2 sensor in our intakes its called an I.A.T. its a temp sensor and it will make your car go ****ty if touched. and as usual when kwanza posts the topic changes. why the hell would you turbo a carbed engine, i mean even if you switched to efi whats the point, put a dam h22 in and turbo that. however i must agree kwanza is a smart guy. so dont flood this topic of stupidity, trying to test his knowledge.

[woode87]

hey dumbass, I SAID THEY ARE EFI! are you retarded?


turbo a h22? rofl oh god.. please PLEASE dont speak.. h-series engines are TERRIBLE.. they cant handle much boost unless you basically rebuild every single last piece of the engine. b series engines are 10x better, B18C5 probably being the best.. next to b18c1 and B16B

edit: but yes if you have 15 grand to spend, then the jdm H22 would be the ideal honda engine to build up.. next to the b18c5

This post has been edited by woode87: Oct 20, 2004 - 9:41 PM

[spunky393]

i'll say it one more time, SHUT THE F*** UP about the Platinum plugs. You make your self sound more stupid everytime you post. Why did you even have to ask if they were platinum if you know oh-so much. Just shut up, go play in a park.

[woode87]

[Kwanza26]

[Kwanza26]

[MK153]

I was under the impression that the sensor in the intake was the intake temp sensor... not the C02 censor. Im guessing im about to be corrected... but dont flame...

[DamDirtyApes]

for what its worth, i saw a video of woodes accord and it was hella fast

[Kwanza26]

[turboinduction]

word of the day

PWNED

-Ti

[DamDirtyApes]

yeah he does talk trash though lol