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 Oct 17, 2004 - 5:29 PM
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Enthusiast  Joined Sep 23, '04 From fresno Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
Hi i heard and did tons of research already so dont ask me to go do
anymore..anyways.......is 7age possible useing a 4age 16v complete head with ecu and harnes.... on a 7afe block....... and what kinda of timing blet to used....since its taller then stock..............aslo it is possible to used ITB on the head ?? how hard is it to rewire the harness on a 94 celica st.......thank you all for helping .............................. .. GOING N/A .. ALL MOTOR |
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Oct 17, 2004 - 6:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From San Juan, PR Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
DO RESEARCH SOME MORE!
-------------------- Past - 7A-FTE: Will never forget you
Present - 3rd Gen 3S-GTE: Swap in progress QUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)  I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often... |
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Oct 18, 2004 - 12:01 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yes yes... do a bit of searching here. I've posted about it in detail on at least a few occasions...
-------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 18, 2004 - 12:26 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
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Oct 18, 2004 - 9:44 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 30, '02 From Washington Spokane / Coeur D' Alene Idaho Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=17020
 this has a link to some 7age info but before you ask use the search button right top hand corner alot of these subjects have been talked about atleast once. 
-------------------- yea your 3sgte is cool but ill stick to my 7agte
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Oct 19, 2004 - 4:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 23, '04 From fresno Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
WHAT YEAR DOES THE Porsche 924 HAS TO BE..?? CAUZ I NEED THE TIMMING BELT RIGHT NOW TO COMPLET THE SWAP.........???????THANK FOR YEA HELP.!!!
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Oct 19, 2004 - 5:56 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
This is one of the VERY few porsche's to ever run an inline 4... so there is only one engine option. I think it's also one of the very few FR layout Porsches... anyway... model years are 76-81 If I remember correctly... or is it 83? I dunno... 76 to early 80's. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 19, 2004 - 11:13 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
www.club4ag.com
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Oct 20, 2004 - 7:53 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Summerville, SC Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
I thought it was the '86. I'm pretty sure it is, the '86 944. But I could be wrong.... -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 2:06 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Umm... my old-school porsche knowledge isn't all that... but the two cars share the same engine of different generations I believe... one turbo one n/a. I believe the timing belt may be the same between the two... but no-one ever confirms anything. Some people use one belt, some people use the other... and yes... the 944 is a mid eighties model... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 9:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
most I have read about use the 924 cam belt...
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Oct 21, 2004 - 9:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 23, '04 From fresno Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I FOUND a 86 mr2 N/A...4AGE..BLUE TOP head.....comes complete with harness and ecu.. ...for $170 would it be a price to pay??... is it worth to built the 4age blue top head....and putting it on the stock 7afe block..???? and aslo the wiring..is it hard to connet . .??? and is it drive-able?? ...........need help..quickly..............???
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Oct 21, 2004 - 9:45 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 7, '04 From charlotte N.C. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the blue top wasnt really a power maker. if your going for it you should go all out a find a mapped black top.
-------------------- Former: 96 GT 5 speed (i/p/e) Fate- rear ended by mack truck
00 GTS 6 speed (i/ Bored TB 63mm - 68.5mm w/ butterfly/ Ported IM/ IMG/ PFC/ Commander/ datalogit/ Ported & heat wrapped Header/ Decat/ UEGO/) 193FWHP 14.2(1/4mi) @98mph, 2.12 60ft (just intake, unbolted Exhaust, and gutted) Fate- side swipped by 18 wheeler at 75mph. Next: maybe an elise |
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Oct 21, 2004 - 9:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 23, '04 From fresno Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
so your saying that even i built the 4age blue top...its not really worth it.....and u say i should go with black top...which its hellllllla $$$$$$$$$$$..just for the complete 4age 20v head..........so its better to go cheap the $$$$$ when its almost the same..??? so is it worth building 4age blue top..it????? i heard ....Horsepower, then go will the BLUE TOP[/URL] http://www.toyotacelicaonline.com/celica1/7ahybrid.htm
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Oct 21, 2004 - 11:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Summerville, SC Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
As I mentioned in your other thread, (by the way, you really should stick to one...), the bluetop is the oldest of the 4AGEs. Personally, I would not go through the trouble of a 7AGE with the bluetop. You can get a silvertop or blacktop head off eBay for a decent price, just be patient. You could also try posting a WTB ad at www.club4ag.com
-JD -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 1:28 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I disagree... but the new heads (smallport, 20V) are far better. I've made some fair power out of bluetop 4AGs... Anyway... if you are really gonna go n/a 7AGE... at least go with a smallport head (90+ corolla GTS, 90+ Prizm GSI). That head is far better for an n/a set-up because the ports aren't overly "big". As for a 20V... slightly more difficult because of a lack of good diagrams... but do-able. It would be one of the first... unless of course you can beat me to it. I would choose a 20V because of it having 20 valves... I like the factory ITBs. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 6:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 9, '04 From Quebec city, Quebec, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
I presently have a 7agte in my celica with blue top. I use the ae86 ecu (afm) and wiring with bad result (not compatible with e-manage) ... I will update this winter for an 4agze ecu (map dli setup). Even if you go n/a (with the red top) , to have the full potential of the hybrid you have to go piggy back or stand alone to change the timming/injection curves and it`s impossible with the sucking afm.
Claude |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 11:06 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
I have looked at the 20V head.,... but the variable timing confuses me. it looks like a regular head when you take the valve cover off. Could you run it without the variable timing? |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 12:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
YEah... the AFM and the crappy stock USDM and Canada ECUs do creat all sorts of tunig hazards. I suggest you look into Megasquirt. It's a DIY standalone unit with a LOT of tuning capabilities and can eliminate the AFM and stock ECU. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 12:09 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Variable Valve Timing works with the intake cam gear. It has nothing to do with the head design really... aside from oil passeages and stuff. Basically, on the silvertop 20V... VVT kicks on at 4000 rpms and the ECU sends a signal to the VVT solenoid and the solenoid acutates the VVT. It works like a computer controlled Cam Gear that advances 15 degrees. It doesn't make a huge difference, but it does increase top-end response. On VVT-i models, the VVT solenoid is always active and can retard and/or advance the intake timing any time depending on rpm, throttle, and conditions. Usually VVT-i is only on the intake side, with exception to the 3SGE BEAMS Blacktop which had it on both intake and exhaust. And yes... you can run the engine without trouble without the VVT. I'm currently waiting on a set of cam gears for mine... =] This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Oct 22, 2004 - 12:10 PM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 12:31 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
i love your 86 by the way.
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Oct 23, 2004 - 12:48 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Thank you. I'm actually considering selling my 20V AE86 because I want to re-do the swap "my way". The current engine harness is too much to look at... but at least I got it running good. -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 24, 2004 - 1:37 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 26, '02 From Alabama Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Shame your in norcal and I only have about $1500 to spend.
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