 Nitrous Transfer and Legality |
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 Oct 22, 2004 - 1:09 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Jul 19, '04 From Los Angeles, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%)  |
If I got a nitrous system for my 7afe, and later swaped in a 3sgte, could I easily swap the nitrous as well? Is it practical to have a turbo car with no2?
Also, is it legal to use no2 on the street? |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 1:25 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=5574 Read my second FAQ post under the heading: Can I use NAWWWZ (NOS, No2) with my turbo?
And NAWZ is never legal This post has been edited by shid: Oct 22, 2004 - 1:25 AM |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 3:40 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 12, '03 From Portland , Oregon , United States Currently Offline Reputation: -1 (33%) |
Different states have different laws on "Fuel Enrichment systems". Here you can have a Nitrous System but not the bottle hooked up, and there and stipulations to that, If you have just came from or are going to the track (same goes for slicks).
Nitrous Is gonna add that extra boost while your in vaccum but when you hit boost just gonna spool it up that much quicker, You might serveraly overwork your wastegate. An Option perhaps is the Boost Activated switches that "NOS" the company sells. I think they come in like 7psi and 15psi switches, so when you reach that boost level the nitrous will turn off. So if your running stock psi on 3sgte, you will still have 4 more psi which the turbo would build its self. Dont know if it really works or anything but it would be worth a shot. I plan on running a direct port System just for that extra kick. I plan to hook it up via woot switch but not hold it on very long, and if any just in third and forth. DTE -------------------- I am a thief.
do not buy anything from me. |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 3:55 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
N2O isn't dangerous. You can use it on a stock motor easily as long as you make sure you are getting enough fuel... Its the dumb asses that give nitrous oxide a bad name... BOOM!!
 Forced Induction cars LOVE nitrous... N20 greatly reduces intake charge temps... and as we all know turbo's like to heat things up... most of the power comes from the extremely cold oxygen that the nitrous provieds the motor... It is a great addition to spool up the turbo in the lower rpms where turbo lag can be a problem... secondary benefit of N2O is that nitrogen is flamable. Just keep the fuel coming and everything will be peachy.
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Oct 22, 2004 - 10:21 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Until your engine blows because it's only built for 12 psi- not the 16 you suddenly NAWZ shot into it. |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 10:42 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 26, '04 From St. Cloud, Minnesota Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
So is it safe to run 50shot in a stock motor?
This post has been edited by hs2g: Oct 22, 2004 - 10:43 AM |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 11:06 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 28, '03 From Bloomington, IN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Yes. And you can use it on a 3s, just only a lil bit, and id recommand only when not in boost. Nitrous isnt street legal, but who's gonna know?
Ask away, I'm the local nitrous master (way better then anadason) and use to have it -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
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Oct 22, 2004 - 11:40 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 19, '04 From Los Angeles, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
Thanks for the info.
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Oct 22, 2004 - 11:54 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
The problem is, when ur not at boost is when you're extremely low in the RPM range- where it's extremely dangerous to pump No2 into any engine.. It's why I've heard that any No2 + turbo setup usually uses a fairly advanced No2 setup with computer controlled systems |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 12:14 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nitrous doesn't increase psi.. it increases cylinder pressure by adding more oxygen... therefore making it safe to add more fuel.. but you are right when you say an engine can only take so much cylinder pressure before it lets go.
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Oct 23, 2004 - 12:46 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Doge, PSI is a measurement of pressure per square inch- nitrous is adding more oxygen to be combusted- which increases psi- all the No2 is is a carrier for the oxygen- it's the exact same thing as adding instant air to your engine- in fact thats all it is. What I'm saying is, all PSI is is a measurement of how much air your engine is getting (allowing you to add more fuel)- when No2 sprays out, it reacts and the oxygen splits off to become oxygen (u know, air) which is then combusted, just like the rest of the air. When No2 expands in the intake, it increases PSI This post has been edited by shid: Oct 23, 2004 - 12:53 AM |
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Oct 23, 2004 - 1:00 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
nitrous is legal if you get a CARB certified kit
however, it is at the cops discretion as to if you were showing off or racing. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Oct 24, 2004 - 3:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Nitrous does NOT increase psi... the main benefit of nitrous is that the oxygen in it is SUPER cold... cold oxygen contains ALOT more oxygen atoms in the SAME SPACE that ambient air would have. The pressure isnt getting increased... its just that the air that is there is getting packed with alot more oxygen due to the temperature.. NOT the compression. Which only increases cylinder pressure... not psi.
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Oct 24, 2004 - 8:02 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
We're saying the same thing and differing on semantics; I don't care about this enough to debate pressure raises when you add molecules to an enclosed area (pressure has to raise, thats it) |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 12:00 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
no it doesn't cylinder pressure and psi are two completely different things... psi is one of the many factors in cylinder pressure.
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Oct 25, 2004 - 12:35 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
uhh no2 blows the **** up if its under enough heat adn it also depends if you have a wet shot or a dry shot. study before you act dumb. dam doge this is the second time you pissed me off...... your starting to turn into a stupid kwanza.
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Oct 25, 2004 - 12:53 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'm not trying to be cocky and act like i know everything though... the only time I get somewhat pressing with what I say is when I see something that I KNOW is wrong. I'm not calling anyone stupid or putting anyone down... I'm just making sure that the info that this kid gets is legit and not some stuff that gets made up. On that note what Shid is saying is almost right.. and i told him that... along with what was wrong about his idea of NO2. And about the whole flames thing... I'm sorry for acting stupid to do you dude, it just seemed like you jumped on that thread to dog on people... which I dont find very cool... but I could be wrong.
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Oct 25, 2004 - 12:57 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 24, '04 From Va Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Most people relate PSI to the amount of boost a turbo makes. You intake pressure is not signifigantly increased by spraying nitrous oxide. N2O is sprayed into the intake and when heated(to approx 570 deg F) the oxygen and nitrogen seperate. This makes more oxygen available for cumbustions and thus more fuel must be added. Else you'll run lean and cook a piston or another important part. With more oxygen present and more fuel present durring combustion cylinder pressure is increased. High cylinder pressure and high heat is what burns up motors which is why you gotta take the right precautions when using it. |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 1:01 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Nitrious doesn't increase intake pressure or charge... it has something to do with the combustion process of nitrious that is just more efficient at making power than your typical oxygen. it doesn't have anything to do with temperature either. A warm nitrious bottle is more efficient than a cold one.
Nitrious + Boost without a BUILT and TUNED motor = BLOWN ENGINE... nuff said. This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Oct 25, 2004 - 1:02 AM -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
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Oct 25, 2004 - 1:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 2, '02 From Portland, Oregon Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
It has everything to do with temperature Kwanaza... the only reason NO2 is used is because of its extremely cold temperatures... a warm bottle is more efficient because the compressed NO2 moves more freely through the lines at a warm temp... when it hits the nozzles it instantly turns cold. You said nitrous is more efficient than oxygen in making power... when all nitrous is, is really cold oxygen and a little bit of nitrogen (which is also highly flamable [the second power adder of NO2]) COLD is the only thing that matter with nitrous.
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Oct 25, 2004 - 1:54 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Something like that... =] -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 11:44 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 8, '04 From LA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Ok, I might be wrong about the psi thing; but when the No2 hits the intake it becomes HOT; thats why the nitrogen and the oxygen seperate; it's not physically possible for the No2 to suddenly lose energy to become cooler- and if it did it wouldn't seperate and it would be useless to the engine |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 4:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 24, '04 From Va Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Wrong again! When N2O is sprayed into the intake the intake charge IS cooled. The N20 is compressed which is why it comes out cold. When combustion occurs is when the N2 molecules seperates from the O molecules. It take approx 570 degrees farenheight to get them to seperate. Chances are your intake is not that hot which is why they dont seperate until combustion. |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 4:29 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Sep 10, '04 From san diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ok soo now that we have noz down...how about when people use propane....is this better or not...i heard it was used on desial fuel like noz is used for regular fuel.....but i seen it in different cars too tho...
and here in SD noz it totally not legal....if cops bust you with it the impound your car and they strip your car of it...and your paying for all ove it....thats the last time i heard anyways |
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Oct 25, 2004 - 4:38 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 24, '04 From Va Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Propane injection does for diesels what N20 does for gasoline engines.
I personally have not seen many gasoline setups with propane but I havent felt the need to look for them. |
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Oct 26, 2004 - 11:51 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
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Oct 26, 2004 - 11:53 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jun 29, '03 From canoga park , ca Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
anyway gilbert now the crush your car as well. but on another note come to our so cal meet. if your in sd you can caravan with thedevilmaycry....
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