Supercharger?, anyone? Options

[ST204no2]

Okay Here's the deal a Friend of mine is Building a supercharger kit for the 5th-6th Gen
5sfe celica. Should fit 1990 to 1999. We Will Be testing it on a 6th gen. 1996 5sfe st204.
He wants too know If anyone would be interested in Purchasing the Finalised Kit. So is Anyone interested? Post any replies and I"ll Post the Details.

[Akimbo]

You need way more details before you can expect people to be willing to pay. You don't have a working car/pics or anything. I can tell you I am interested.

[Punch]

ripp mods makes a kit for our cars

[orvillescelica]

competition for a supercharger/turbo kit would be great! since our only options now are ripp mods, burien, or custom. Can you provide any specifics of the kit or pricing? im sure there would be many interested people

[DamDirtyApes]

i would be interested if the price was right

[pimped6gen]

I am very interested in buying this supercharger! Let us know how much $...keep us posted

[importceli]

yeah definately think u got a gem there because custom gets a lil expensive ><

[ST204no2]

ripp mods makes a kit for our cars
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Just saw the ad for Ripp in modified mag.

the basic style is the same shaft driven off the serp. belt using an additional tensioner to keep the belt tight. coupled to an eaton roots type compressor [All this still in development] bolted straight to the to the head and trans, output straight to the intake,
still working on fuel system possibly replacment injectors using a rising rate fuel pressure reg. and 255lph fuel pump to be on the safe side. I will post picture when we have more accomplished. Haven't gotten around to pricing yet.

[BoostedRebel]

Hello. I am the friend of Ian who started this post. Like he explained, I am in the process of building a supercharger kit on Ian's celica.

Here is a briefing on what will be in this kit and what is currently developed so far.

The kit will be a shaft driven system with the supercharger located behind the battery.

The supercharger itself will be an Eaton m45 supercharger with an electric clutch sourced off of 99-2003 Mercedes 2.3l Kompressor engines. This particular supercharger is more commonly referred to as a m62, but is in fact an m45. This same unit has made a proven 350hp+ on a 2.5L Mazda KL03 motor. (a very high reving 7k+ redline (7500 with the j-spec) motor used in Mx6's and Ford Probes) The superchargers will be repacked, oiled and inspected. I will also be selling the kit WITHOUT the blower for those who want to purchase their own off of ebay or search for one in a wrecking yard.

Included with the kit will be belts, pulley's, mounts, intake plumbing (with optional water to air intercooler, aka aftercooler), sequential blowoff valves, and a switch to turn the supercharger on and off.

Some of the options I am planning are:
5th injector with injector controller
Inline fuel pump rated at 190-255lph
Intercooler
S-AFC calibrating (optimal settings printout with an S-AFC tuned to the boost with a map sensor)

From what I have seen with looking under the hood of the test celica, the kit should be a 2-4 hour install for anyone familiar with working on celicas. The install will be similar and only slightly longer than a cold air intake and belt install.



I have already developed the shaft system and idler, the supercharger outlet and inlet manifolds. The brackets are currently being built and I am sourcing for some parts right now to make the kit complete.

I am new to this board and do not know the limitations on free advertising of products, so I will not throw out any prices, but expect it to be HALF the price of almost any other big company supercharger kit for any import.

One thing I would like to point out is that I do not own a full machine shop and this kit will be entirely fabricated with cutting/welding/grinding etc so do not expect polished billet aluminum CNC'd parts. However, I will do everything I can to develop an asthetically pleasing kit, reliable and functional.

[FallenHero]

what do you guys think about the M90 superchargers that come off of the 3.8ltr GM engines? A little too large for a small 4cylinder to spin? I wonder... those things are hella cheap off of E-bay.

[playr158]

yo next make a 7agfe
*a supercharger for the celica st 7afe 1.8l

[FallenHero]

yo next make a 7agfe
*a supercharger for the celica st 7afe 1.8l
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7afZe.

[st_celica_killer]

would be nice to have one for the 7afe...so make one..if you built it they well come...

[Mr_E]

Off topic, but I know a guy in the UK with a 3S-GZE

And a 2zz-gZe (goes quite fast)

[spunky393]

Are you goign to tell us a story Mr. E, or were you just throwing that out there. Sound's interesting

This post has been edited by spunky393: Nov 18, 2004 - 9:02 AM

[Mr_E]

Are you goign to tell us a story Mr. E, or were you just throwing that out there.  Sound's interesting
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What's to tell. Custom supercharger job on both.

The gentleman concerned has sucessfully supercharged both the 1ZZ and 2ZZ to good effect.

Here's the 140 (1zz)


Link here;
www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications

[Mr_E]

Car ended up with a 2ZZ and looking like this.....

http://www.celica-club.co.uk/cgibin/photop...rt=1&thecat=628

[spunky393]

i would like to see the 3sgze, that's what i was askign about. Sorry for not clarifying

[macavely]

sounds intresting.. a complete kit... just would like to know more about whats going to be used for the fuel control.... and how would the SC reach to a diffrenet settings on a stand alone unit..

[Redline_Racer]

I saw that ad in mod. mag and I got all giddy that they actually had a part for a 5sfe in a magazine.

-Brandon

[lagos]

it would be nice to have a cheap diy SC kit for the celica.

but the ripp kit is still a very nice one because of all the reasearch and tuning that went into it. too bad it costs as much as what u can do a swap for.

[BoostedRebel]

what do you guys think about the M90 superchargers that come off of the 3.8ltr GM engines?  A little too large for a small 4cylinder to spin?  I wonder... those things are hella cheap off of E-bay.
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Way too big of a unit! The m45 is designed by eaton to flow well on a 2.0L-3.0L motor. Even the m62 is too big, designed for 2.5L-4.0L motors. The m90 is for 3.0L-5.0L motors! I have seen these units used for Mazda 2.5L motors and they were OVERKILL. They made power, but were just way oversized. These are also HUGE units. Heavy, hard to turn, and flow insane amounts in relation to the m45. It's like putting a t72 turbo on a Celica. It can be done, people put then on hondas, but those hondas are fully built and designed to HANDLE the 30psi+ and 650hp+.

[BoostedRebel]

sounds intresting.. a complete kit... just would like to know more about whats going to be used for the fuel control.... and how would the SC reach to a diffrenet settings on a stand alone unit..
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Hey, fuel control is initially going to be up to the customer. The first kit developed will be simply mounts/driveshaft/supercharger being optional to the customer/pipes. After this I will be sourcing suppliers for the sequential blowoff valves, FMU and other parts.

What do you mean about the SC reaching settings on a stand alone? You just tune the standalone to the supercharger. Does the Celica have a MAP sensor? (I am not too familiar with the celicas which is why I am working along side with Ian as he is supplying me with the technical information about the vehicle itself) If so every standalone ecu ever created will tune off a MAP sensor. If you don't have one stock, then they run around $50 new and can be put into any vacuum line and hooked to a standalone.

For some information on my previous automotive projects, see my website: http://www.squirrelsw.com/finishline (be sure to see the Project cars section)

[Mr_E]

sorry buddy. No pics of the 3S-GZE I'm afraid.

[spunky393]

sorry buddy. No pics of the 3S-GZE I'm afraid.
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Oh well....

[spunky393]

Personally, i think your supercharger thing is going to fail. You don't seem to know enough, and not nothing enough is a HUGE problem when it comes to selling a product. Clean your act up a little, no...a lot, and then the 6gc community might be more easily interested.

[BoostedRebel]

Personally, i think your supercharger thing is going to fail.  You don't seem to know enough, and not nothing enough is a HUGE problem when it comes to selling a product.  Clean your act up a little, no...a lot, and then the 6gc community might be more easily interested.
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Are you kidding me? I have been tuning F/I cars for years, I have built and owned 2 supercharged and 2 turbocharged cars (all were boosted by myself). If you are going to belittle my ideas or myself, you better have some good reasons to back it up or just shut your mouth, sit back in that computer chair of yours and continue to be an assuming idiot TO YOURSELF. I didn't come on here to deal with people like you which is why I stopped surfing forums over a year ago. I only came on here and had my friend do the same to guage the interest of the community and hopefully develop a quality and cost efficient product for the Celicas. From what I have learned about the Celica community thus far is good aftermarket parts are scarce. And the few available are overpriced.

Instead of telling me I don't know enough. Point out what you think I don't know and teach me. (since you must know sooooo much to be able to tell that I don't know enough based off reading a couple posts of mine) Instead of trying to start a flame thread.

This post has been edited by BoostedRebel: Nov 20, 2004 - 1:25 AM

[wind]

zing!

[spunky393]

What the heck are you talking about dude. You havn't provided any information at all. No one has heard of you before, and basically, the real problem is, if you wanted me to pass on information about your supercharger just this instance, i would feel so dumb, dumb to the point of drulling. You are playing grab ass with us. You came on our forums, not the other way around, so F*U*C*K off

[orvillescelica]

hey spunky, settle down. Let him develop the kit, show it to us, and we can judge from there. Let the product speak for him.

BoostedRebel, if you need some info, ask some specific questions and im sure there will be someone that will be more than happy to answer it. As for the MAP sensor question, the 5sfe does has a MAP sensor. But for forced induction applications, most people replace the stock one with a 2 bar MAP from an MR2.

[BoostedRebel]

What the heck are you talking about dude.  You havn't provided any information at all.  No one has heard of you before, and basically, the real problem is, if you wanted me to pass on information about your supercharger just this instance, i would feel so dumb, dumb to the point of drulling.  You are playing grab ass with us.  You came on our forums, not the other way around, so F*U*C*K off
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Do you act this way to everybody who tries to develop aftermarket for your car?

[Doge]

From the little that I have seen this guy knows what he is talking about. Being able to custom fab parts to make a supercharger kit isnt something anyone can do. Keep talking boosted... I'm not a potential buyer but I'm interested.

How are supporting fuel mods going to go with this kit? Bigger injectors of course... FPR? Bigger pump?

[wind]

dont be so negative spunky.... calm down and wait to see what happens... this isnt something to get so worked up about

if it fails then it fails, until then wait to see what happens or you will be the one being laughed at for making dumb comments

[BoostedRebel]

Are you goign to tell us a story Mr. E, or were you just throwing that out there.  Sound's interesting
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What's to tell. Custom supercharger job on both.

The gentleman concerned has sucessfully supercharged both the 1ZZ and 2ZZ to good effect.

Here's the 140 (1zz)


Link here;
www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications
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That is a beautiful and simple kit there. Is that your car? Looks very nice. If the cost of centrif. blowers were not so high I would go this route in a heartbeat.

[Jehuty]

Outstanding idea. Mostly because customers would be allowed to purchase piece by piece. Blowers, ICs, piggybacks are all pretty much universal. Its the fitting and mounting hardware that's usually tricky for the average enthusiast! Keep us updated.

By the way, why would you prefer a centri blower? I was thinking id go with posdis to match the 5S characteristics. Plus I like the thrashy whine they make. =) The Eaton you are planning to use is a positive displacement type, correct?

This post has been edited by Jehuty: Nov 21, 2004 - 2:47 PM

[BoostedRebel]

Outstanding idea. Mostly because customers would be allowed to purchase piece by piece. Blowers, ICs, piggybacks are all pretty much universal. Its the fitting and mounting hardware that's usually tricky for the average enthusiast! Keep us updated.

By the way, why would you prefer a centri blower? I was thinking id go with posdis to match the 5S characteristics. Plus I like the thrashy whine they make. =) The Eaton you are planning to use is a positive displacement type, correct?
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Yes sir. That is my idea. Years ago when building up street cars I was forced to buy kits and prefabbed parts which were expensive and required you to buy EVERYTHING whether you needed it or not. Now that I have a shop full of equipment (TIG/MIG welders, plasma cutters, grinders, every saw and air tool etc...) I can create the stuff I wished others would create long ago. You see eye to eye with me.

I like the centrif. blowers because they are true compressors, they are lighter, smaller, have less parasitic loss and create less heat. Yes, the Eaton is a positive displacement blower. Very similar to a twin screw but is actually a roots blower.

Hey, your from Central Valley? I used to go up there every year to fish Lake Shasta and Lake Trinity. I lived in San Jose, California for almost 20 years before I moved to Texas, then Arizona, then to where I live now in Washington.

This post has been edited by BoostedRebel: Nov 22, 2004 - 12:34 AM

[Mr_E]

www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications
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That is a beautiful and simple kit there. Is that your car? Looks very nice. If the cost of centrif. blowers were not so high I would go this route in a heartbeat.
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Nah. I have a turbo.

This belonged to someone else who charged a 1ZZ. Then decided he wanted more power, so swapped the 1ZZ for a 2ZZ, and S/C'd that. Then added nitrous to that, stripped the thing out and turned it into a track car.

It was, all things considered, bloody fast.

Simon has also sucessfully supercharged a 3S-GE. Basically, if you want a quality job, this is the gentleman to talk to.

Not cheap, however. But quality rarely is.

His track celica was sold recently, and he bought a 3000 GTO TT. Which he blew up about 3 days later.

[FallenHero]

LOL, my kind of guy!

www.celica-club.co.uk -> Modifications
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That is a beautiful and simple kit there. Is that your car? Looks very nice. If the cost of centrif. blowers were not so high I would go this route in a heartbeat.
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Nah. I have a turbo.

This belonged to someone else who charged a 1ZZ. Then decided he wanted more power, so swapped the 1ZZ for a 2ZZ, and S/C'd that. Then added nitrous to that, stripped the thing out and turned it into a track car.

It was, all things considered, bloody fast.

Simon has also sucessfully supercharged a 3S-GE. Basically, if you want a quality job, this is the gentleman to talk to.

Not cheap, however. But quality rarely is.

His track celica was sold recently, and he bought a 3000 GTO TT. Which he blew up about 3 days later.
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[Jehuty]

Yeah, I've been here all my life. Good place to be! Some nice roads if you know where to look. =)

I don't own a Celica currently but I'm considering one as a basis for lite tuned daily driver / canyon runner. My main concern with the vehicle is that although I don't think it would take alot more power to balance the chassis, the 5SFE appears pretty much hopeless on paper.

I've already decided that a swap is out of the question. I would prefer to do some NA tuning but it's just doesn't seem to be cost effective on this motor. The next consideration would be to knock together a low pressure turbo system which was looking promising.

Your kit sounds like it might be a good solution though. I realize others here are probably looking for more but I think the car needs another 30-40hp to the ground spread as far over the rev range as possible. The stock torque curve of the 5SFE is actually pretty favorable for bombing ridges, but the chassis is capable in my eyes and could effectivly lay down about 30-50 more hp, imho. Also since I'd be operating at elevated RPMs for substantial periods (15 minutes to an hour at a time) I would feel alot more comfortable running 6 pounds of manifold pressure or less. I plan on finding a lower mileage engine and I'll be keeping stock internals. They don't lok like they're good for much more than that anyhow. I could be wrong.

Not to mention it would bel a hell of alot easier to tune! I think you should hit up some Camry and MR2 sites when this gets further along. Alot of people should be on board. Don't be discouraged by newbs demanding 100 hp gains, either! They probably don't know what to do with the 130 they have! =D

[Mr_E]

The chassis can handle 178bhp, as that's what the rest of the world got as stock.

Beams lump in the SSIII gave 200bhp, but had superstrut suspension as well.

[Jehuty]

The chassis can handle 178bhp, as that's what the rest of the world got as stock.

Beams lump in the SSIII gave 200bhp, but had superstrut suspension as well.
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I probably should have specified but I meant adding hp and retaining a curve similar to the stock 5SFE. Which is what I estimate this setup would do.

Anyhow, how about an update!

[BoostedRebel]

Just waiting on some funds to collect. I just spent a large amount of money on the blower, building materials as well as a new Miller welder. (the welder is sweet. Has a 12hp generator attached to it mounted in the back of my new truck)

I am flying across the country for a week or two in early december and taking care of some unfinished business back in Arizona, and then i'll be back and I expect some good progess in early January and maybe a complete kit in mid-late January. No promises.

[navyfc]

Wow, No posts since November? Boost, are you still making this supercharger? I am interested, but it looks like you may have lost all interest. I tell you what, with what I have seen on this site, don't ask if any one is interested until at least your first one is done, dyno tested, and you have ample pictures. It seems like every one on here bitches about not having parts and when some one comes in to try and help us out, we have a few know it all's who want to question them and heckle them so much that they don't feal welcome. I would rather just sit back and wait for the results, when I see positive results, then I will buy. If negative results, then oh well, I just won't buy it. If your still working on this super charger, just get it all together, and put it on a dyno. If it has good results, then list every single little thing that is in your kit, and give us a price. If it is realy going to be half of the competitors price, and has dyno proven gains, then no one will have any ounce of room to talk ****. Then trust me, you will make your money. Every one in here wants more hp!