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[Charlie97L]

hey all, finally got all my parts, most of the big stuff from lance at www.jgstools.com, everything is really really high quality, very impressed! yay! here's some pics, john and i are gonna document the whole install for future 7afte'rs. i have IC piping and a BOV and a profec boost controller, couldn't find where i put those pics tho.

http://www.antebellumcovers.com/CharlieCar...20Parts%20Pics/

YUM. Boost is so clooooooooooose!

[Jussimple]

Thou shall be known as one of the few that walkith the path

[rlan214]

hey ure gonna write a write on this one ?
..... please

oh take pics of the install

[rlan214]

i noticed that u bought venom injectors just wondering y ?
wouldn't buying one from a 7mgte cheaper ?
is it easier install ?

about the intercooler do u have to cut ure bumper support to fit that thing

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (rlan214 @ Mar 17, 2003 - 5:55 PM)

i noticed that u bought venom injectors just wondering y ? wouldn't buying one from a 7mgte cheaper ? is it easier install ? about the intercooler do u have to cut ure bumper support to fit that thing

yeah, 7mgtes are cheaper, those injectors are a direct replacement for the 90-92 turbo probe, which swap right in with ours. i wanted to buy everything new, and for the money, i'd rather get venoms (cuz they are bigger) than stock probe ones, which were ridiculously expensive.

john and i are gonna write up and take pics of the whole install.

ha, the intercooler is really really big, like waaaaay bigger than i expected. i'm not sure what i'm gonna do about that yet, but we'll see maybe time for a gt4 bumper... too bad i have NO mohnay right now

[Coomer]

Charlie, get on AIM. I need to talk to you about a couple things.

I can't wait to see your turbo setup by the way!

[FallenHero]

Those pics turn me on... Just a lil bit.

[95STCelica]

i sure hope you take me for a ride in that once you get it all in!!

[rlan214]

venom injectors are actually bigger ?
than the ones from 7mgte's hmmmm
just wondering how much u got em anyways ?


and i was looking up turbo probe injectors and found some that are 50$

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (rlan214 @ Mar 18, 2003 - 8:20 AM)

venom injectors are actually bigger ? than the ones from 7mgte's hmmmm just wondering how much u got em anyways ? and i was looking up turbo probe injectors and found some that are 50$

yes, i have a set that was 40. but i wanted all NEW parts to put in for my kit. i don't want to rely on used injectors that have 120K on them. stock turbo probe injectors are 310 cc size, and the venom ones are a 10% increase, so about 340 cc is my guess. also, stock turbo probe injectors are like 120 each new from ford.

also, all told i probably spent 3500 on the whole thing, and I still have one or two more things to buy.

This post has been edited by Charlie97L: Mar 18, 2003 - 11:47 AM

[94celicaguy]

i was just wondering what you were planning on boosting. if it is 8 psi or below then bigger injectors wouldnt be necessary. this is just for future reference for anyone else. 250's would be fine for anyone looking to get about 10 psi.

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (94celicaguy @ Mar 18, 2003 - 6:43 PM)

i was just wondering what you were planning on boosting. if it is 8 psi or below then bigger injectors wouldnt be necessary. this is just for future reference for anyone else. 250's would be fine for anyone looking to get about 10 psi.

i'm gonna run 10 psi most likely. it was recommended i get bigger injectors because i'm not using an FMU or Fuel pressure regulator, i'm just using a supra tt fuel pump and the afc and bigger injectors. the reason i got bigger was i'm going to continue to upgrade the engine, and i didn't want to have to buy new injectors again at some point. plus, 10 psi will be pusing the limits of 250s, and i don't want to be stressing the system.

[95STCelica]

It all sounds so great. When are you planning on putting it all in?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (95STCelica @ Mar 18, 2003 - 7:47 PM)

It all sounds so great. When are you planning on putting it all in?

as soon as possible. i'm looking at easter weekend right now, i think 2 days for the install and a day to tune should do it.

[Mage]

Sweeeeeeeet.

[Seth6Gen]

FARK YOU MAN, IM SO JEALOUS! I WANT A TURBO!

[FallenHero]

Dude, I can't wait. We'll finally know what the ole' 7A can do.

[rlan214]

so what's the size of our stock injectors then ?

also u were saying that u bought venom injectors for a turbo probe ?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (rlan214 @ Mar 19, 2003 - 8:23 AM)

so what's the size of our stock injectors then ? also u were saying that u bought venom injectors for a turbo probe ?

i think our stock ones are like 220 cc or something. turbo probe/mx-6 injectors (90-92) are a direct replacement for ours. denso makes the celica injectors and the probe ones, and they happen to have the same plug setup.

[FallenHero]

So you're just gonna bolt it all up? What are you going to do about your ECU? Will the stock one still work?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Mar 22, 2003 - 10:21 PM)

So you're just gonna bolt it all up? What are you going to do about your ECU? Will the stock one still work?

yeah, but i have an SAFC to adjust the fuel, and i'm setting the timing back 5 degrees, and i made a check valve for the MAP sensor, so that takes care of all the ECU issues.

[FallenHero]

Ok, I'm not very educated when it comes to turbos and associated mods.

By changing the timing you are going to make the incomming air help push out the exhaust. I think. BUT the manifold pressure thing.... How you gonna fool the computer there? Also, is there a parts total price yet?

Where'd you get your afc by the way?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Mar 23, 2003 - 3:36 PM)

Ok, I'm not very educated when it comes to turbos and associated mods. By changing the timing you are going to make the incomming air help push out the exhaust.  I think.  BUT the manifold pressure thing....  How you gonna fool the computer there?  Also, is there a parts total price yet? Where'd you get your afc by the way?

i got my afc from ebay. right about the timing, that's why i had to make a check valve for the MAP sensor that bypasses the excess pressure. very easy, took like 30 bucks to make. the check valve is like a BOV or wastegate for the MAP sensor setup. you could also get a 2 bar MAP sensor from an MR2 turbo and use that instead, but that will cost more $$. i'm eventually going to get a J&S safeguard which has a great check valve, so my setup is just temporary, but it'll do the job.

i'm not sure on a total price yet, i got a really good deal on most of my stuff... probably about 3500 so far, and i still need to get the downpipe and WG pipe made. BUT! i went probably the most expensive route you could go. i bought everything new, and got a lot of toys that you don't need.

incidentally, if you have a 96+ celica and are going turbo, be careful of your intercooler selection, as we have smaller air opening than the 94-95 ones. not a big deal for the intercooler, that will get enough air, but it will block air to the radiator. not good!

i'm not sure what i'm going to do about this yet, probably i'll wait and get a gt4 front end, which will delay the install a little, but, eh, i'm a patient guy.

This post has been edited by Charlie97L: Mar 23, 2003 - 6:21 PM

[Crash]

kind of a side track but saw that you got the super afc 2. what does it have that the old one doesnt? tried looking at the site but its all in japanese and i sure cant read it. haha. but really any reason you went with that one instead of the older one?

[edo17982]

Comparation of Super AFC to Super AFC-II

Previous Suer AFC New SUPER AFC-II

Air Flow Setting: choose 8point choose 12point
Air Flow Engine RPM: every 500rpm every 200rpm
Drive Voltage Circuit Safety: None more stable
Display Monitor Adjustment; None setting up display (air flow/pressure)
Display Color: Blue Standard model:Blue Limited Edtion:White
Other Functions: None -Knocking Monitor
-Digital Display
-Setting Memory function
-Warning function
-Password
-Lock function

[FallenHero]

He beat me to it. : (

I'm interested in seeing how your car turns out Charlie. Ever think of getting a top mount intercooler and using the GT-4 hood and molding it down? (to save cost)

[edo17982]

Yeah, I'm courious too!! should be a little monster
Hey Charlie, what about the full pillar for the gauges?I was on the group you made to made it but I had no news....
(sorry for offtopic question)

Edo

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Mar 24, 2003 - 8:39 AM)

He beat me to it. : ( I'm interested in seeing how your car turns out Charlie. Ever think of getting a top mount intercooler and using the GT-4 hood and molding it down? (to save cost)

well, i think getting the hood and using a top mount would cost way more than a front mount. i'm gonna temporarily go with my stock look right now, until I can get the $$ for the gt4 front end. then i shouldn't have any problems, that has so much more room.

as to the triple pod, lo-tek is not responding to my emails. i've heard it takes them incredibly long to get anything done. i'll see if i can get in touch with them again, but i'm starting to feel like it's just not worth the trouble.

[rlan214]

did u ever figure out what fan to use since i heard u have to buy an aftermarket one so the turbo would fit ?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (rlan214 @ Mar 24, 2003 - 2:49 PM)

did u ever figure out what fan to use since i heard u have to buy an aftermarket one so the turbo would fit ?

i'm just going to leave my fan out for now. i don't really idle in traffic during the summer, it doesn't get rid of your AC, just makes it work a little less. no biggie. yeah, but zipstrips knows the part numbers for the fans.

[FallenHero]

With all that room it woud't fit with the fan? wow. I looked at my friends engine(95talon) the other day. There was like 'no room.'

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (FallenHero @ Mar 24, 2003 - 10:25 PM)

With all that room it woud't fit with the fan? wow. I looked at my friends engine(95talon) the other day. There was like 'no room.'

nah, it's a problem of clearance for the turbo and manifold. with the setup i'm running, i'll have to remove the fan, and use zip ties to pull the radiator farther forward... not a big deal, tho.

[FallenHero]

It would be down here in the 'Swamp Heat' State.

[goku]

about how much did all this cost you? and from where ?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (Charlie97L @ Mar 23, 2003 - 4:20 PM)

i got my afc from ebay. right about the timing, that's why i had to make a check valve for the MAP sensor that bypasses the excess pressure. very easy, took like 30 bucks to make. the check valve is like a BOV or wastegate for the MAP sensor setup. you could also get a 2 bar MAP sensor from an MR2 turbo and use that instead, but that will cost more $$. i'm eventually going to get a J&S safeguard which has a great check valve, so my setup is just temporary, but it'll do the job. i'm not sure on a total price yet, i got a really good deal on most of my stuff... probably about 3500 so far, and i still need to get the downpipe and WG pipe made. BUT! i went probably the most expensive route you could go. i bought everything new, and got a lot of toys that you don't need.

hhehe, i'm quoting myself. but remember, i went pretty much as expensive as you can get, a lot of this stuff is optional. for example, i got an external wastgate, which was like 250, but you can get a turbo that has an internal one and it will be cheaper, or you could get a manual boost controller instead of an electronic one.

[FallenHero]

If you wanted to go cheap. What would you say the main parts for boost are?
1. turbo(built in bov)
2. manifold
3. down pipe
4. optional intercooler
5. assorted lines
6. assorted pipe

Did I miss anything?

[celicakid84]

yea u missed the fuel part of a turbo set up. You would need bigger injectors and an safc. Or a fmu and injectors, prolly a better fuel pump, fuel cut defenser?

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (celicakid84 @ Mar 26, 2003 - 9:34 PM)

yea u missed the fuel part of a turbo set up. You would need bigger injectors and an safc. Or a fmu and injectors, prolly a better fuel pump, fuel cut defenser?

fmu is cheaper, yeah you need more injectors. you also need the oil lines and fittings. and a manual boost controller, i imagine.

[97sccelica]

Charlie

correct me if i am wrong but i dont think a check valve is needed when you are running an SAFC(super air flow converter) it will just modify the signal from the map anyway no matter what the readings are.

and BTW, you cant adjust the timing, the distributor on the obd2 celica st's(96-98) are locked. to unlock it you will have to buy a new distributor mount and elongate the hole that the locking bolt goes in(Just a heads up, im planning on doing this this weekend)

[edo17982]

In Italy the distributor on the ST is variable on stock on both 94-96 and 96-98 models....

[Charlie97L]

QUOTE (97sccelica @ Mar 27, 2003 - 5:31 PM)

Charlie correct me if i am wrong but i dont think a check valve is needed when you are running an SAFC(super air flow converter) it will just modify the signal from the map anyway no matter what the readings are. and BTW, you cant adjust the timing, the distributor on the obd2 celica st's(96-98) are locked. to unlock it you will have to buy a new distributor mount and elongate the hole that the locking bolt goes in(Just a heads up, im planning on doing this this weekend)

yeah, the SAFC does modify the signal, but with boost, the MAP sensor will go apes**t over all the air comin in, and try to fuel cut and stuff, so you have to use a check valve.

dammit, thanks for letting me know about the dizzie. let me know how your mod goes. would you mind taking some pics?

[97sccelica]

sure i will try to get the part this saturday and do it on sunday, i have work on saturday and i have to test out a 2000 celica gt-s for a friend tomorrow(and it is about 50 miles away)

i will try my best to get the mod done.

oh and thanks for the info on the MAP sensor, i too have a check valve(that is adjustable for different pressures) purchased for $10, i guess i will have to use it after all

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Mar 28, 2003 - 1:30 AM