Water cooled PC, 1337 roxorzzz!1!1!!!! Options

[Uppitycracker]

Well Im going to do it for christmas, Im going leet, Im sick of hearing my fans whining when Im playing games, and the fact that theres 8 in my box total it sounds like an airplane idleing beside me Also I wanna push my p4 2.8e up to atleast 3.5 and get my x800 around 600mhz.

This list of stuff for the most part is pretty generic, the pump is quite sufficient. I opted for the less atractive heater core since it cheaper and works better then the radiators made for pc's.

Because of the size of the rad it probably going to be mounted outside the computer which will be better for cooling anyways.

Double Heater Core Radiator, 11" x 6 1/8" x 2" - $34.99
Danger Den Fill port - $11.95
Hydo L25 Pump, 185gph - $37.95
Barbed Polypropylene T - $1.75
10ft Clearflex60 Tubing - $10.00
20x Adjustable Plastic Hose clamp - $15.00
Clear Cylindrical Reservior -$25.00
Maze4 CPU Block - $36.70
Maze4 GPU Block - $39.95
8x Ramsinks - $19.95
4oz Water Wetter - $3.50

Total - $236.74 + shipping

all 1/2 pipe size

Anyone here have experience with water cooling? any tips, tricks, pics? Ive read up quite a bit on the parts needed and am confident my list of parts will do very well. I also read up on kits that are available and for anyone insterested in water cooling the Kingwin Artic cooling kit has had nothing but good reviews and only cost 99USD, though its not great for OC applications it reduces noise to almost nothing.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:29 AM

[Andason]

use nos

[LatinKraze]

I keep my PC in the fridge.

I've never heard of water cooled PC's before? Is this new or have those components been on the market for a while?

[Andason]

I keep my PC in the fridge.
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the sad thing is... i bet someone has that as a setup

[Blakout16]

its been out for along time actually... ever since i was 12... and the only problem is keeping everything water tight, and we all know that water pwns computers so thats the only thing u should worry about switching to water coolers and tape led's to the tubing it looks pretty freakin tight when u do it

[Andason]

but what i really want to know is what cools down the water. you are aware of how a car cooling system works right? where is the "fresh" air being found? the computer isnt moving so.... ?

[LatinKraze]

The tubing must be transparent then. Might even try using food coloring in water with bright led's. Sweet, I want a comp now.

[Hanyo]

does your northbridge have a fan also? i would recomend you get a water block for your northbridge if you plan to OC your computer. haha I still remember your post about build a computer and I warned your about noise. From now on you are plagued with the need to silences. Another thing, about the raditor, what fan do you plan on putting on there to cool it? And are you ready to monthly clean your water cool system? because junk will start collecting in the water blocks ect. just warning.

about the refrigerator cooling computer... that is a bad idea. because when things get cold it will collect condensation, and that will short out a computer. (unless you vapo-freezed, but that is a different story)..

[celicarocker]

but what i really want to know is what cools down the water. you are aware of how a car cooling system works right? where is the "fresh" air being found? the computer isnt moving so.... ?
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there is no "fresh" air per say.... but the water is cooled by a radiator... and people put dye in the water all the times, especially blacklight responsive dye... the best thing to use in there is distilled water or whatever in there, it doesnt hold an electricall charge so if a leak busts, your all set....

and tim, the best thing i think to do is get a danger den kit, for the price they can't be beat... ive done alot of research into watercooling as i was planning on getting it for a while... and the only tip i can offer is, although it will suck, put it in your case and let it run for 48 hours straight without your PC components in there... you want to make sure its 'aight....

[Uppitycracker]

but what i really want to know is what cools down the water. you are aware of how a car cooling system works right? where is the "fresh" air being found? the computer isnt moving so.... ?
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If you look in the list of parts there is a rather large radiator which will have 2 or 3 fans mounted to it, just like a cars system....maybe you just missed that.

and tim, the best thing i think to do is get a danger den kit, for the price they can't be beat... ive done alot of research into watercooling as i was planning on getting it for a while... and the only tip i can offer is, although it will suck, put it in your case and let it run for 48 hours straight without your PC components in there... you want to make sure its 'aight....
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Ya thats where Im getting everything, there kits are pretty weak for the ones that are 200USD and less so I just made my own with that parts available on there page.

Ill also be getting a UV cathode and UV reactive water additive

Also Im going to assemble the sysem before I install it and run a leak test for probably a day or so, that way there is little chance of it leaking whe inside my computer. Its not even really a risk, the pressure is very low and its proven technology.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 20, 2004 - 7:00 PM

[Andason]

m00t

[Uppitycracker]

does your northbridge have a fan also? i would recomend you get a water block for your northbridge if you plan to OC your computer. haha I still remember your post about build a computer and I warned your about noise.  From now on you are plagued with the need to silences.  Another thing, about the raditor, what fan do you plan on putting on there to cool it? And are you ready to monthly clean your water cool system? because junk will start collecting in the water blocks ect. just  warning.

about the refrigerator cooling computer... that is a bad idea. because when things get cold it will collect condensation, and that will short out a computer. (unless you vapo-freezed, but that is a different story)..
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Northbridge? are you refering to my processor or the mobo chipset? I have a prescott cpu thats why I ask. For fans Im hoping to go 120mm to reduce noise, but Ill have like 5 80mm fans sitting around so I might use them and just use my control to run them low, they still move a good amount of air on low and are more quiet. I know about cleaning the water once a month.

Noise is my secondary motive to water cooling, power is my primary:) so a little noise is ok, but your right, loud fans are annoying as hell! Especially the whiney ones on the processor and vga.

[celicarocker]

hes talking about your chipset....

[1900WattCelica]

My buddy has a watercooled system...heres his suggestions:

Basically, the radiator is good, the danger dan fill port is the best you can get, if the pump is a platstic impeller pump primed with water, and the pump is enclosed in a metal housing with copper bushings then a 185gph will be awesome becuase it builds up about 45 psi, if it is a plastic cintrifugal pump then hes gonna need to 300 gph to get the psi where it needs to be

Hes gonna need 2 300gph, the reservior is gonna be arcrylic so its gonna crack eventually, they all do its a proven fact, and the ramsinks are a waste of money, if he decides to go with all thet ****, hes gonna have some major water restriction, and the water wetter you can get cheaper at the auto parts store

If he decides to go with 8 ramsinks, he gonna need at least a half inch connection from the pumps throughout the system, and pumps aint cheap. Ehiem makes the best ones. There for aquarium use, but they have a conversion for computers

And the danger dan setup is bullet proof, but you cant just get the port its gotta be the whole thing

[Uppitycracker]

hes talking about your chipset....
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Oh I C because theres a pentium northwood so I thought maybe he was talking about that. Well the mobo has a decent size heatsink but no fan, its typically around 30c which is the ambient temp in my case, so Im thinking it may not be necessary, when I do overclock and I find it becomes to hot Ill return the clock speed to normal and invest in cooling for the mobo. I most likely will down the road anyways.

[Uppitycracker]

My buddy has a watercooled system...heres his suggestions:

Basically, the radiator is good, the danger dan fill port is the best you can get,  if the pump is a platstic impeller pump primed with water, and the pump is enclosed in a metal housing with copper bushings then a 185gph will be awesome becuase it builds up about 45 psi, if it is a plastic cintrifugal pump then hes gonna need to 300 gph to get the psi where it needs to be

Hes gonna need 2 300gph, the reservior is gonna be arcrylic so its gonna crack eventually, they all do its a proven fact, and the ramsinks are a waste of money, if he  decides to go with all thet ****, hes gonna have some major water restriction, and the water wetter you can get cheaper at the auto parts store

If he decides to go with 8 ramsinks, he gonna need at least a half inch connection from the pumps throughout the system, and pumps aint cheap. Ehiem makes the best ones. There for aquarium use, but they have a conversion for computers

And the danger dan setup is bullet proof, but you cant just get the port its gotta be the whole thing
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Well the pros at overclockers.com say you need a pump that can push water to 4ft at least 20gph, so why would I need 2 300gph pumps?!?! You don't need massive amount of pressure, especially not 45psi, thats nuts!

I am going 1/2" tubing all around, it says in the initial post, and for the sake of my overclocked x800 I wouldn''t mind extra cool for the ram since i have to remove the stock one.

Can you please elaberate on how Im going to get so much flow restriction?? The danger den water blocks have Very little restriction, Im using 1/2" piping, the heater core is supposedly the least resistant thing you can use and Ill have a decent pump....

The pump I chose is supposedly ehiem quality but for 10USD more I might aswell just go with the ahiem 158gph pump or the 317gph pump for 20USD more.

And as for the danger den setup, are you talking about the gpu block or the cpu? What do you mean by the "port"?


Thanks for your help man!

Tim

Oh and just an after thought about the ramsinks, all they are is little aluminum heat sinks for the vga card, I think you might think Im getting 8 water blocks for my system memory, which isn't the case, hopefully that clarifies things.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:11 AM

[jojobombiest]

My old computer was watercooled, trying to get rid of it now. The bad thing is if you ever forget to put water in it... ur whole comp is screwed. But my setup was cool, i mounted the water box thing inside of the computer, the radiator was also inside the computer, and there was a hole cut in the top of the computer case with a tube coming out into a little squeeze bottle thing. So everything was sealed in the computer except the bottle, which dangled off the side a bit. It was a lot easier especially when trying to bring the computer to a friends house or something.

EDIT-
Here's a pic:



The radiator is at the bottom, the blue thing on the right is where the water is stored, then theres the bottle to easily squeeze water in.

This post has been edited by jojobombiest: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:07 AM

[Uppitycracker]

haha what a mess man Im anal about my computer so its always babied ":P

Im getting a 12 dollar filler cap for mine so filling will be a snap, also My rad is going to be outside, Id, love to keep it all internal but the rad is way to big and since its not made for a computer it would be a bitch installing, plus its gonna look wicked having a fatass chrome rad mounted to my desk

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:15 AM

[Uppitycracker]

Just read some more about water cooling, I think Im going to go with a parallel setup so Ill need a larger pump and have to go with 3/8 piping.

Man I always start planning the hell outta stuff way before I get it

"I always go for 3/8th fittings so there is more Water to go around thus equalling better cooling, however this also leads to a drop in overall flow. So a more powerful pump is required.
½ fittings have less cooling capability but provide a higher flowrate so is more efficient for less powerful pumps. The only time this rule doesn’t apply is with HeaterCores, as they are designed so that whatever fitting is used it won’t affect its cooling performance."

Does this make sense to anyone? would it not be the opposite? I would think larger piping would require a larger pump since its trying to push more volume.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 1:52 AM

[celicarocker]

im getting a lian li case soon, and might go watercooling depending on what cpu i end up gettin....

[Uppitycracker]

im getting a lian li case soon, and might go watercooling depending on what cpu i end up gettin....
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Do it!! You know just the cool factor alone makes you want it not to mention the cooling godlyness

[celicarocker]

im getting a lian li case soon, and might go watercooling depending on what cpu i end up gettin....
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Do it!! You know just the cool factor alone makes you want it not to mention the cooling godlyness
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im gonna... im leaving the flashyness of computers.... half the reason is becuase im like you and very anal about things looking perfect inside my computer, so im just getting a plain looking case without a window.... pic... im just gonna throw some led fans in all the spots for fans, so it emmits a nice red glow though, thats about it....

[Hanyo]

hold on.. you plan to OC your computer from 2.8 to 3.5. that is a 25% increase. and you are leaving your mother board chip set heat sink stock? you do realize when you start over clocking that thing starts to get hot. plus the fact that you will no longer be air cooled, so airflow in your case will be near zero. if you plan to go this route i recomend you keep an eye on your mobo temp..

[Uppitycracker]

hold on.. you plan to OC your computer from 2.8 to 3.5. that is a 25% increase.  and you are leaving your mother board chip set heat sink stock? you do realize when you start over clocking that thing starts to get hot. plus the fact that you will no longer be air cooled, so airflow in your case will be near zero.  if you plan to go this route i recomend you keep an eye on your mobo temp..
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Im still going to have some air flow in the case, Ill leave a few fans in there, but you are right, Im going to look into cooling for my northbridge.

I decided to go with a slightly smaller heatercore, 7x6x2, that will save me a bit of money, and it may fit in my case with some customization. Anyways that way I can probably afford a northwood block. Im not going to be an idiot and overclock if its going to be damaging to anything. My computer is fine how it is, I would just like to be able to push it farther when it needs it.

I just really have no experience with how hot the northbridge will get, since mine sits around ambient case temp, I assumed it wouldnt be alot. Thanks for the enlightenment.

[Uppitycracker]

im getting a lian li case soon, and might go watercooling depending on what cpu i end up gettin....
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Do it!! You know just the cool factor alone makes you want it not to mention the cooling godlyness
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im gonna... im leaving the flashyness of computers.... half the reason is becuase im like you and very anal about things looking perfect inside my computer, so im just getting a plain looking case without a window.... pic... im just gonna throw some led fans in all the spots for fans, so it emmits a nice red glow though, thats about it....
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Ya man, I always start off wanting to go flashy, then settle for the best parts over cool parts. My comp only has 2 light sources, the x800 has blue leds and my psu has some multi coloUr fans.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 4:43 PM

[Andason]

out of pure curiousity, why do you do all of this? isn't 2.5 ghz fast enough for you?

i dont know about you, but i used to rock the 120 mhz forever. then i went up to 450. now i have a 2 and a 2.2. who really needs 2.8 or w/e

[Uppitycracker]

out of pure curiousity, why do you do all of this? isn't 2.5 ghz fast enough for you?

i dont know about you, but i used to rock the 120 mhz forever. then i went up to 450. now i have a 2 and a 2.2. who really needs 2.8 or w/e
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The same reason people beaf up there cars, its kinda a geek bragging right thing, aswell as have a fast stable computer that flies through everything you throw at it Also for 250 bucks spent on a water cool kit, I might delay myself having to spend 1k+ for the next upgrade.

[Sev408]

Double Heater Core Radiator, 11" x 6 1/8" x 2" - $34.99
Danger Den Fill port - $11.95
Hydo L25 Pump, 185gph - $37.95
Barbed Polypropylene T - $1.75
10ft Clearflex60 Tubing - $10.00
20x Adjustable Plastic Hose clamp - $15.00
Clear Cylindrical Reservior -$25.00
Maze4 CPU Block - $36.70
Maze4 GPU Block - $39.95
8x Ramsinks - $19.95
4oz Water Wetter - $3.50

Total - $236.74 + shipping

all 1/2 pipe size


Well you could buy a premade WC kit. But to me it sounds like you want to OC so go with what you have. Heres a little hint though,

Radiator Core-If you can weld buy a used heater core from the junkyard, any car will do and weld the 1/2 inch pipe attachments on. The heater core is only like 5 bucks.

Not sure what the danger den fill port is but you dont need it if you are buying a reservior, they have fill ports in them.

Your 10ft tubing, go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy the clear vinyl tubing. 10ft is $1.35 at Home Depot for me. Also buy metal clamps, not cheap ass plastic ones, Home Depot carries them for 79 cents a piece and they use a screw to tighten them down.

What are you putting the ram sinks on? Your Motherboard? or Video Card?

You shouldnt need that T line either, T and F lines slow down your flow since you are using a 185gph it will be at about 90-100 after 4ft of line. Also if your on a budget then dont buy a reservoir, use a T fitting and put a line up to the top of your case to hold more water and used as a fill port. Either option will do neither is better then the other, minus the amount of water the reservoir holds. I also recomend going to Petsmart or Petco and buying a water pump there. You can get that same pump for around $15. Make sure it has both inlet and outlet though.



The order you should have your setup is: resovoir-pump-radiator-cpu-and anything else(in this case gpu) before it goes back to the resovoir.

Also if you put the radiator in the front of your case and im assuming its 80mm fans put 4 on the rad. 2 on the front side sucking air in, 2 on the back blow the air out, it will circulate more air this way and cool the water faster.


Hit me on aim if you want to ask me any questions. Scheetz316


PS. HAHAHAH 2.5ghz HAHAHAH im running a P4 3.0ghz OC'd to 3.ghz4 with a 1gig Dual Channel ram and a FX5900 ultra is on its way.

This post has been edited by Sev408: Nov 21, 2004 - 6:16 PM

[Uppitycracker]

Double Heater Core Radiator, 11" x 6 1/8" x 2" - $34.99
Danger Den Fill port - $11.95
Hydo L25 Pump, 185gph - $37.95
Barbed Polypropylene T - $1.75
10ft Clearflex60 Tubing - $10.00
20x Adjustable Plastic Hose clamp - $15.00
Clear Cylindrical Reservior -$25.00
Maze4 CPU Block - $36.70
Maze4 GPU Block - $39.95
8x Ramsinks - $19.95
4oz Water Wetter - $3.50

Total - $236.74 + shipping

all 1/2 pipe size


Well you could buy a premade WC kit. But to me it sounds like you want to OC so go with what you have. Heres a little hint though,

Radiator Core-If you can weld buy a used heater core from the junkyard, any car will do and weld the 1/2 inch pipe attachments on. The heater core is only like 5 bucks.

Not sure what the danger den fill port is but you dont need it if you are buying  a reservior, they have fill ports in them.

Your 10ft tubing, go to Home Depot or any hardware store and buy the clear vinyl tubing. 10ft is $1.35 at Home Depot for me. Also buy metal clamps, not cheap ass plastic ones, Home Depot carries them for 79 cents a piece and they use a screw to tighten them down.

What are you putting the ram sinks on? Your Motherboard? or Video Card?

You shouldnt need that T line either, T and F lines slow down your flow since you are using a 185gph it will be at about 90-100 after 4ft of line. Also if your on a budget then dont buy a reservoir, use a T fitting and put a line up to the top of your case to hold more water and used as a fill port. Either option will do neither is better then the other, minus the amount of water the reservoir holds. I also recomend going to Petsmart or Petco and buying a water pump there. You can get that same pump for around $15. Make sure it has both inlet and outlet though.



The order you should have your setup is: resovoir-pump-radiator-cpu-and anything else(in this case gpu) before it goes back to the resovoir.

Also if you put the radiator in the front of your case and im assuming its 80mm fans put 4 on the rad. 2 on the front side sucking air in, 2 on the back blow the air out, it will circulate more air this way and cool the water faster.


Hit me on aim if you want to ask me any questions.  Scheetz316


PS. HAHAHAH 2.5ghz HAHAHAH im running a P4 3.0ghz OC'd to 3.ghz4 with a 1gig Dual Channel ram and a FX5900 ultra is on its way.
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Awesome thanks for the tips man!! Also my cpu is a 2.8e not to far from yours, with 1 gig dual channel ram and a x800 pro

Is that yor setup above?? Ya the list of parts has changed a bit since I posted that, Ill do a revised version in a bit. For the heater core I dont have a welder, I dont mind spending 15 more dollars to have a ready to go one.

the heat sinks are for my video card, my system memory stays stock and they already have aluminum covers for cooling.

Ya Im going to see what I can get around here for cheap, thanks again for tips on where to get stuff!

[Sev408]

np just hit me on aim if you got any other questions.

scheetz316

[Uppitycracker]

Ill defenately cunsult with you when Im building the system, heres a revised list:

Danger Den list

Double Heater Core Radiator, 11" x 6 1/8" x 2" - $34.99
ehiem 1250(317gph) - $59.00
Danger Den bay reservior (crack proof) - $17.95
Maze4 CPU Block - $36.70
Maze4 GPU Block - $39.95
8x Ramsinks - $19.95
4oz Water Wetter - $3.50

Total - $212.04 + shipping


Local store list

10ft 1/2 tubing $2.00
20x metal clips $10.00
misc parts $20.00
4x120mm fans - $26.90

Total $58.90 + tax


Grand total 272.04

Misc parts are going to be things like spray paint and sheet metal since the heatercore is way to big to go into my case, Im going to build a shroud/stand for it.

Some stuff might cost more from danger den, but its basically a matter of convenience.

I wish the damn 120mm fans weren't so expensive, Im hoping to get them off ebay for a good price.

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 8:59 PM

[celicarocker]

dont forget man... when piecing together a tubro for your car, where do most people look for cheap stuff.... look there for cheap stuff too...


its kinda like a riddle

[celicarocker]

330gph water pump $20

radiator $20, but not as gigantic as you want it

[Uppitycracker]

330gph water pump $20

radiator $20, but not as gigantic as you want it
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the pump possibly, though Id prefer to go with one that has a good name like ehiem, and that rad is way to small, the heater core I want probably has 500% the surface space and only 10 bucks more.

from what i have read, these are good and cheap fans: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...6705183725&rd=1

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 8:59 PM

[celicarocker]

haha muffin fans...

'nuff of this mindless board chatter.... im about to hit you up on aim and we can actually talk about it mang.....

[Sev408]

that pump on ebay wont work. dont even bother,

buy a pump from http://superfishstore.com/waterworld/nfosc...ex.php?cPath=36

mainly look at Mag Drive, they work the best and are a good cheap price. the enhiems are also very good but costly.

they only problem i had with a radiator is trying to find one with 1/2inch outlet /inlets. Most are 3/8s so you need a enlarger/reducer.

those fans are also 3 pin so you will need either an adapter to the 4pin or you need a fan controller to hook it up to.

[Andason]

i personally have a 16 pin mag drive with nitrous oxide filled inhibitors in the male outputs of the inlets of the enlarger fan.

blah blah blah
wheres the women at? lol

[Sev408]

Yeah i just realized that you are have a double 120mm radiator. You dont need that big not for your cpu and gpu. If you want that extra cooling you could just buy 2 80mm rads and put 1 before the cpu and 1 before the gpu. However I have a 120mm rad with 1fan on each side and it cools verywell for the cpu and i added a gpu also and have had no problems.

[Uppitycracker]

that pump on ebay wont work. dont even bother,

buy a pump from http://superfishstore.com/waterworld/nfosc...ex.php?cPath=36

mainly look at Mag Drive, they work the best and are a good cheap price. the enhiems are also very good but costly.

they only problem i had with a radiator is trying to find one with 1/2inch outlet /inlets. Most are 3/8s so you need a enlarger/reducer.

those fans are also 3 pin so you will need either an adapter to the 4pin or you need a fan controller to hook it up to.
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The heater core is 1/2 fittings, and the 3pin is what I want because its going through a fan controller.

Thanks for the link, I think Ill go with this: http://superfishstore.com/waterworld/nfosc...products_id=418

This post has been edited by Uppitycracker: Nov 21, 2004 - 10:31 PM

[celicarocker]

i personally have a 16 pin mag drive with nitrous oxide filled inhibitors in the male outputs of the inlets of the enlarger fan.

blah blah blah
wheres the women at? lol
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shawn you know your a geek.... stop trying to act so pimp....

[Andason]

not to this extent... lol

[CheesyLobster]

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[celicarocker]

|)00|), 7|-|053 (0MP5 R0X0R!
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its sad when you can read that...