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 Dec 2, 2004 - 4:33 AM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
I finally decide the next step for my babe....
 Guys if you are using any of the following parts or it happents to you to know anything that maybe will help please let me know. Here is the list. Greddy TD06 20G 8cm Sard 255lph In-tank Fuel Pump Power Fc by AP Engineering Greddy VSPL Intercooler kit for Evolution with Custom Piping Tuning by Mr.Koyama I am also thinking for going with custom exhaust manifold. Any tips will help. Cheers |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 2:40 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
...A Wastegate.
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Dec 3, 2004 - 3:21 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 28, '02 From Europe, Lithuania Currently Offline Reputation: 8 (100%) |
....external Wastegate.... you mean
 ?QUOTE(Lar- @ Dec 3, 2004 - 12:40 AM) ...A Wastegate. [right][snapback]216166[/snapback][/right] -------------------- Ex celica owner - just a guy from other side of the pond...
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Dec 3, 2004 - 3:23 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
 Probably a Sard one,right Lar-???  Ehmmm...can i add the wastegate later my friend??? I have to re-make my exhaust manifold...hmmmmm.....
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Dec 3, 2004 - 3:37 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 29, '04 From Manchester, England Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Register at www.nengun.com and get the Power FC and commander especially for the ST205. Mine was GB £550 all in delivered. They accept Paypal and their paypal address is nengun@yahoo.com. Unless you can get it cheaper elsewhere of course.
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Dec 3, 2004 - 3:44 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 3, 2004 - 8:21 AM) ....external Wastegate.... you mean ?QUOTE(Lar- @ Dec 3, 2004 - 12:40 AM) ...A Wastegate. [right][snapback]216166[/snapback][/right] [right][snapback]216176[/snapback][/right] Yapp.. An External Wastegate... Sorry for writing too short...
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Dec 3, 2004 - 4:03 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Magic @ Dec 3, 2004 - 8:23 AM) Probably a Sard one,right Lar-??? Ehmmm...can i add the wastegate later my friend??? I have to re-make my exhaust manifold...hmmmmm.....[right][snapback]216177[/snapback][/right] Greddy and HKS make good External Wastegates as well.... ... Sorry my friend... You can't add the wastegate later. The TD06-20G doesn't have an internal wastegate(flapper) inside the turbine housing like our ct20b, so you have to get one external wastegate for the TD06-20G as well.. .
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Dec 3, 2004 - 4:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
mmorg3053 I will check the website and let you know.About the Power FC I found the same one like Lar- is using by AP Engineering P/N: 4E14T02Z at 420CYP..i think its a good price.
Lar- Exhaust manifoldfor 3SGTE engines are very expensive!!!really!!! Well i have to decide if i will go with custom or get one ready.I have to check also the prices for wastegate...hmmmm..... |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 2:59 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Magic: According to the Mr2 guys, the exhaust manifold for the 3sgte will support 400+ hp and is not subject to the same cracking risk of a tubular exhaust manifold. You may want to put money toward other mods such as an intake manifold or fuel upgrades.
- Jay This post has been edited by jgreening: Dec 3, 2004 - 3:00 PM -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 4:17 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
agreed with jgreening and -lar, you cant just add a wastegate later if it is not internally gated, if it is an externally gated turbo, then you need an aftermarket wastegate. you will also need an adapter plate to attach the external gate to the factory manifold, or you have to get a new custom manifold incorperating an external gate.
--------------------  Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 4:21 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
jgreening you suggest that i should stay with the stock 3SGTE manifold?Cuz i didnt get it.About fuel upgrades i am also thinking about injectors but for the bhp i need(360bhp) the stock injectors(540cc) are enought.
Yes boosted_K2 all of you are right on this,if the turbo does not internally controlled i should go with a wastegate from the start. |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 6:03 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Magic:
Correct. You do not need to replace the exhaust manifold at those horsepower levels - unless you are doing it for looks. The stock EM will not reach its limits and a tubular EM will not be much more efficient - no matter the design (and it could be worse). The longevity factor alone would persuade me to keep the stock EM. As for the injectors, I have read that 550's are good for upto about 325whp at 85% duty cycle. Maybe Tim can confirm this. Finally, the people who know 3s engines would never get a internally gated turbo upgrade unless very modest boost was planned. The internal gates simply cannot allow enough exhuast gas to escape fast enough causing dangerous boost creep. Jay. -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 6:15 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Jay,a good idea its to try with the stock setup and if something seems to be weak then i should replace it.
For sure i am going to install the fuel pump,i am sure that i need it,and also the FMI....of course its always depends on "what bhp you want to reach"..... Thanks for the info dude |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 11:04 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
is the 325 at 85% what wolfkatz concluded after his flowbench tests? MR Controls recommends to upgrade fuel pump and injectors at +275WHP, but its only worthwhile with proper fuel management, which quoting MRControls "a S-AFC does NOT qualify as proper fuel management, which im sure what they are getting at is a PowerFC or any type of EMS system to really optimize modifying the fuel system. you should probably put a FPR on at the same time as well.
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Dec 3, 2004 - 11:49 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 17, '04 From Illinois Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Tim:
Remember that Magic's car is a Gen III. He has 540's (not 440's) - the 275 whp max for gen IIs does not apply. Jay. This post has been edited by jgreening: Dec 3, 2004 - 11:51 PM -------------------- QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback] i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this. |
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Dec 4, 2004 - 2:59 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
boosted_K2 Yes a Sard FPR its on the list also (Cuz FPR its too cheap i forgat to mention it)
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Dec 4, 2004 - 11:16 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Michigan Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
this is true, i forgot about it being a gen 3, reguardless i still stick to what i said but yes, you should be in the clear with 540s for the power range you are looking for, but a new fuel pump and especially the FPR would be a good addition.
-------------------- Believer, you'll leave her, in leaving them all No but I don't buy it Like anything you do, as anyone you are Cause I'm... Ten Speed, of God's Blood & Burial |
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Dec 4, 2004 - 11:29 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Cheers for the info boosted_K2
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Dec 4, 2004 - 1:41 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 25, '02 From Pittsburgh/Clairton, PA Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
what does Power FC do?
because one of those on the 7th gen supposedly puts it in the 13's --------------------  |
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Dec 4, 2004 - 1:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
This is a good thread.... Everyone is adding in very useful infos... .
NIceeee...
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Dec 4, 2004 - 1:53 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Consynx @ Dec 4, 2004 - 6:41 PM) what does Power FC do? because one of those on the 7th gen supposedly puts it in the 13's [right][snapback]216780[/snapback][/right] It's a Stand-Alone ECU where you can flexibly remap both the Fuel & Ignition Mappings to suit your engine Mods upgrades. |
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Dec 4, 2004 - 5:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Lar- @ Dec 4, 2004 - 11:43 AM) This is a good thread.... Everyone is adding in very useful infos... . NIceeee... [right][snapback]216781[/snapback][/right] Yes Lar- my friend and you know that your help its very respectable and also the help from other guys.Thanks |
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Dec 6, 2004 - 4:45 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Magic @ Dec 4, 2004 - 10:37 PM) Yes Lar- my friend and you know that your help its very respectable and also the help from other guys.Thanks[right][snapback]216845[/snapback][/right] THANX!!! Mike... 
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Dec 6, 2004 - 5:33 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 3, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
go magic go...
i think only think that will limit you ll be you internals. stock fuel system is good up to 350 bhp. i think this greedy is a bold on turbo TOY MR-2 TURBO 1990-96 TDO6SH-20G use fac. manif. 11510011 $ 2,000.00 This post has been edited by tufy: Dec 6, 2004 - 5:43 AM --------------------  |
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Dec 6, 2004 - 7:05 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 24, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey mike, after you do all this you will need a set of lambo doors to finish off with an exterior upgrade.
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Dec 6, 2004 - 7:05 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Hey Mike...
I can't PM you... Your Inbox is full, so I'll post my thoughts here for now.... That your time to think about the 2 turbo choices, my friend.... Don't rush anything... . It's quite a big investment here!!! I cheerd for the 20G as I've sat in one... although it's an SR20 engine. I know how the 20G spooled and pulled.... . However... Koyama also had his appropriate reason(s) for recommending the 18g to you. I bet he had a lot of experience in tuning many many 3S-GTE engine before, so the 18g he recommended maybe the best turbo upgrade choice for you at this point. .... If it's me, I'll still go for the 20G. hee.. heee.... I don't like to max everything and stress my engine or turbo out. For every engine Mods, I'll always leave some room for future power upings. That's why I chose the IHI RX-6 turbo. This turbo can easily give me 450hp, but I'm going to use it only for about 370hp(same as you). Also, my internal is now capable of withstanding 2bars+ of boost, but I'm running it only 1.2bars. 6 months from now I may get used to the 370hp power and think it's already too slow, I can just go back to my tuner and tel him to remap my engine to a 2bars boost or 450hp target. I don't have to get new injectors... a new uprated fuel pump.... a bigger turbo... a new Ex.Mani... and a new wastegate to achieve my new excitment. That's my room I'm talking about. Modifying or Upgrading your baby suppose to give you excitement and pleasure, not a headache my friend..... Cheers, +: Lar' :+ |
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Dec 6, 2004 - 9:19 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
wanna send me your CT20 when your done? Thanks.
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Dec 7, 2004 - 2:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
QUOTE(Lar- @ Dec 6, 2004 - 5:05 AM) Hey Mike... I can't PM you... Your Inbox is full, so I'll post my thoughts here for now.... That your time to think about the 2 turbo choices, my friend.... Don't rush anything... . It's quite a big investment here!!! I cheerd for the 20G as I've sat in one... although it's an SR20 engine. I know how the 20G spooled and pulled.... . However... Koyama also had his appropriate reason(s) for recommending the 18g to you. I bet he had a lot of experience in tuning many many 3S-GTE engine before, so the 18g he recommended maybe the best turbo upgrade choice for you at this point. .... If it's me, I'll still go for the 20G. hee.. heee.... I don't like to max everything and stress my engine or turbo out. For every engine Mods, I'll always leave some room for future power upings. That's why I chose the IHI RX-6 turbo. This turbo can easily give me 450hp, but I'm going to use it only for about 370hp(same as you). Also, my internal is now capable of withstanding 2bars+ of boost, but I'm running it only 1.2bars. 6 months from now I may get used to the 370hp power and think it's already too slow, I can just go back to my tuner and tel him to remap my engine to a 2bars boost or 450hp target. I don't have to get new injectors... a new uprated fuel pump.... a bigger turbo... a new Ex.Mani... and a new wastegate to achieve my new excitment. That's my room I'm talking about. Modifying or Upgrading your baby suppose to give you excitement and pleasure, not a headache my friend..... Cheers, +: Lar' :+ [right][snapback]217501[/snapback][/right] B]neoklis [/B]you should install first the lambo doors and if i like them you never know!!! Lar- Thank you for your valuable information I like the way you thinking and the steps you are doing, as you said i have to take the pleasure not the headache.... I have to decide about the room that i need ..... Thank you for your help really, its not about the hardware decision as you noticed, its about future upgrades |
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Dec 7, 2004 - 3:09 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 17, '03 From Bangkok, Thailand. Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Take it easy, my friend....
Every question will always comes down to what that person really want or need.... I can break up information for you... I can do research for you... I can point out advantages and disadvantages for you.... I can recommend you this and that..., but in the end the one who has to make the decision is you.... I can't and have no rights to make any decision for you. It's always my pleasure sharing information with you(since your HKS GD Pro Clutch topic). If you want me to assist you in anything, I'm there for you. Cheers... ps: Again... I don't feel like I'm helping anything. It's just a sharing of infos and thoughts. This post has been edited by Lar-: Dec 7, 2004 - 3:11 AM |
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Dec 7, 2004 - 3:28 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 30, '03 From Cyprus Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
How can i post a BIGGGGGGGGGG Smile for your post Lar-?????
Cheers dude... |
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