7afte pistons and rods, time to rebuild Options

[nik]

Psi Racing had the 7afte that ran 14.4 on 14 psi they have somw stuff for the 7afte people out there.

Hey nik

Whats up, well for starters no company actually stocks it, we would have to get them custom made, I would need a factory piston from you and then I would send it out, to my piston manufacturer and they will duplicate it, in whatever compression ration I wanted, the rods I think they should have on file, so those we shouldnt need a core, just let me know exactly what you want to do.

Thanks,
Brendan Alvarez
PSIRacing

so far also depends on final price

1. NIK
2. Doggy
3. Edo
4.trdevelopment

[edo17982]

By the way.....give us an idea of price....

[playr158]

hmmm i might possibly be in if new rings are included as well
provided no huge pricing

[d3monc3lica]

count me in, also if the price isnt outrageous

[frotou]

Pauter have 7afe rods listed (I have the part number) and for the pistons , we have just to know what compression the 4agze give with the 7afe head .

Claude

[doGGy]

Pauter charge hell to much, and they are not the best for the money... About pistons GZE pistons make 10.8:1 CR in stock 7A

Pauter have 7afe rods listed (I have the part number) and for the pistons , we have just to know what compression the 4agze give with the 7afe head .

Claude
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[frotou]

Pauter charge hell to much, and they are not the best for the money... About pistons GZE pistons make 10.8:1 CR in stock 7A

What is the best for the 7a ? Crower pro billet ? Forget standart crower and eagle .

[playr158]

wouldn't you want those(4agze) pistons in a NA 7afe more then in a 7agte? or 7afte? cause its better for high compression in NA

[doGGy]

Have you ever heard about HOW TO LOWER your CR?

wouldn't you want those(4agze) pistons in a NA 7afe more then in a 7agte? or 7afte? cause its better for high compression in NA
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[doGGy]

It is better to go with Crower rods.. Even they make the custom ones, price will be practicly the same as pauter, but Crower rods are better IMHO... And i read lots of good info on them...

Nik, so hows with the PSI racing going? Are they gonna give some estimates?

Pauter charge hell to much, and they are not the best for the money... About pistons GZE pistons make 10.8:1 CR in stock 7A

What is the best for the 7a ? Crower pro billet ? Forget standart crower and eagle .
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[CheesyLobster]

Hmm, this sounds nice. few things:
1. an esimate of improved bhp without a turbo.
2. an esimate of improved bhp with a turbo.
3. Would new rings be needed as well? or are they included?
4. Aproximate cost.

Thanks

[doGGy]

esimate of improved bhp? From What? From stock dimension Rods and Pistons? These are not for BHP, these are for strenght and reability, if you gonna go turbo, you need stronger internals, these are dedicated for this....

Hmm, this sounds nice. few things:
1. an esimate of improved bhp without a turbo.
2. an esimate of improved bhp with a turbo.
3. Would new rings be needed as well? or are they included?
4. Aproximate cost.

Thanks
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[CheesyLobster]

esimate of improved bhp? From What? From stock dimension Rods and Pistons? These are not for BHP, these are for strenght and reability, if you gonna go turbo, you need stronger internals, these are dedicated for this....

Hmm, this sounds nice. few things:
1. an esimate of improved bhp without a turbo.
2. an esimate of improved bhp with a turbo.
3. Would new rings be needed as well? or are they included?
4. Aproximate cost.

Thanks
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Thats what I thought. But from a better compresion ratio? Does that not add power?

[doGGy]

Yes, they will, you will gain somthing about 10-15 hp at most if everything done right....

If you want pistons, then get GZE pistons, you will have higher CR with them..

esimate of improved bhp? From What? From stock dimension Rods and Pistons? These are not for BHP, these are for strenght and reability, if you gonna go turbo, you need stronger internals, these are dedicated for this....

Hmm, this sounds nice. few things:
1. an esimate of improved bhp without a turbo.
2. an esimate of improved bhp with a turbo.
3. Would new rings be needed as well? or are they included?
4. Aproximate cost.

Thanks
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Thats what I thought. But from a better compresion ratio? Does that not add power?
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[van95st]

if you increase your CR do you not also have to adjust your timing maybe fuel management and run higher octane gas??

[doGGy]

Yes, you have to.

Period. We are talking about Rods and Pistons custom made, not about CR and other stuff..

if you increase your CR do you not also have to adjust your timing maybe fuel management and run higher octane gas??
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[d3monc3lica]

doGGy Posted Today, 11:41 AM
  Yes, you have to.

Period. We are talking about Rods and Pistons custom made, not about CR and other stuff..

The Dogfather has spoken..

[playr158]

yes doggy i do know how to lower it with the 4agze pistons 2mm headgasket should do the trick

but i'm thinking of getting these for an N/a application since i have to relace rings

[doGGy]

If you gonna go N/A route, then this will be the best bang for the $. Get some ITb's, good cams, fuel managment and you will gain more then 20 hp for sure.. But higher octane will need to be used..

yes doggy i do know how to lower it with the 4agze pistons 2mm headgasket should do the trick

but i'm thinking of getting these for an N/a application since i have to relace rings
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[playr158]

yea higher octane is a must i know from racing motorcycles but ITB are a no for me cause well i just can't go that far but i'm probably goin to see if i can get some 82mm+ 4agze pistons since the stock is 81mm bore
and up the bore a little bit with probably a greddy emanage since they are normally easy to find

[edo17982]

If you gonna go N/A route, then this will be the best bang for the $. Get some ITb's, good cams, fuel managment and you will gain more then 20 hp for sure.. But higher octane will need to be used..

yes doggy i do know how to lower it with the 4agze pistons 2mm headgasket should do the trick

but i'm thinking of getting these for an N/a application since i have to relace rings
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Hahahahah lovely teacher!!!

[doGGy]

no Edo, you Own me

im by Edo

If you gonna go N/A route, then this will be the best bang for the $. Get some ITb's, good cams, fuel managment and you will gain more then 20 hp for sure.. But higher octane will need to be used..

yes doggy i do know how to lower it with the 4agze pistons 2mm headgasket should do the trick

but i'm thinking of getting these for an N/a application since i have to relace rings
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Hahahahah lovely teacher!!!
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[nik]

i'm sick right now but still waiting to hear from PSI racing on the cost of the rods and pistons

[edo17982]

Ok' we'll be waiting for any news! and get out of sickness man!!

[nik]

Hey Nick whats up, yeah I am sure I can offer you a better deal from the quantity order, but I will leave the responsibilty in your hands that we receive the full amount first before we place the order, we can get any compression ratio you want and any bore size, just so you know. Also, yes they would be forged billet pistons not coated, let me know what you think, and if we can receive full payment from the other related customers.

Thanks Nick,
Brendan Alvarez
PSIRacing

i got this today

[nik]

ok i got off the phone were looking $450 piston kit rings etc any ratio rods $650 made of steel so tell me what you guys are thinking.

[FallenHero]

ok i got off the phone were looking $450 piston kit rings etc any ratio rods $650 made of steel so tell me what you guys are thinking.
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I would use those pistons and 2zz rods.= hella cheaper.

[nik]

ok i got off the phone were looking $450 piston kit rings etc any ratio rods $650 made of steel so tell me what you guys are thinking.
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I would use those pistons and 2zz rods.= hella cheaper.
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2zzge rods length 5.429 (wiseco)
7afe rods length 5.217 ( Pauter)

difference .212

[Kwanza26]

2zzge rods length  5.429 (wiseco)
7afe  rods length  5.217 ( Pauter)

difference .212
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I've been looking everywhere for those specs... I don't have them in my database...
As for fitment... gotta do live measurements... compared to the block. The 7A has a larger stroke than the 2ZZ also... so this might not be so good...

[playr158]

i'd say lets run a GB for rods and piston kit....
i want a ruff compression of 11:1 or so cause i wanna keep NA
with the proper fuel upgrades this is
and as for RODS what would be options and such?
i'm not familiar with rods and specs

[edo17982]

i'd say lets run a GB for rods and piston kit....
i want a ruff compression of 11:1 or so cause i wanna keep NA
with the proper fuel upgrades this is
and as for RODS what would be options and such?
i'm not familiar with rods and specs
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If ya just want 11:1 CR ya can do like I've done and simply get Arias pistons foe 4AGE, rated 8.9:1 bored to 82mm and like me ya can get 11.06 CR. Ya won't need rods

[doGGy]

Well, if we could get some how price to 600$ im would be intrested for 100%... but now... 650$ + shipping will set me at 700$... so

ok i got off the phone were looking $450 piston kit rings etc any ratio rods $650 made of steel so tell me what you guys are thinking.
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[Mr2swift]

Back in the day I was in contact with Ray Hall who built the 20valve 1.8 7age turbo. He had a custom rod made and I have over the years been in contact with this company. I am pretty confident that I would be able to set up something in the price range that would be less than 600 per set of rods. Depending on how many people I would think something like 575 or so maybe less. If I where doing something cost effective then Gze Pistons with stock 7afe size rods (but aftermarket) should go for about 800 or so for everything. This way everything will bolt in with no modifcation. If you guys are serious I could look into it further.

Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited

[doGGy]

yes, we are serious on this, i was looking for somthing that is not too pricey over the year now..... and only thing that i found was crower and pauter, and both they charge 715$ per set + shipping......

So if you can get 575$ for the set, i would be in for sure.........

Back in the day I was in contact with Ray Hall who built the 20valve 1.8 7age turbo. He had a custom rod made and I have over the years been in contact with this company. I am pretty confident that I would be able to set up something in the price range that would be less than 600 per set of rods. Depending on how many people I would think something like 575 or so maybe less. If I where doing something cost effective then Gze Pistons with stock 7afe size rods (but aftermarket) should go for about 800 or so for everything. This way everything will bolt in with no modifcation. If you guys are serious I could look into it further.

Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited
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[edo17982]

yes, we are serious on this, i was looking for somthing that is not too pricey over the year now..... and only thing that i found was crower and pauter, and both they charge 715$ per set + shipping......

So if you can get 575$ for the set, i would be in for sure.........

Same here!!!!

This post has been edited by edo17982: Jan 31, 2005 - 5:50 PM

[nik]

yes, we are serious on this, i was looking for somthing that is not too pricey over the year now..... and only thing that i found was crower and pauter, and both they charge 715$ per set + shipping......

So if you can get 575$ for the set, i would be in for sure.........

Same here!!!!
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ditto

[playr158]

word

[nik]

Back in the day I was in contact with Ray Hall who built the 20valve 1.8 7age turbo. He had a custom rod made and I have over the years been in contact with this company. I am pretty confident that I would be able to set up something in the price range that would be less than 600 per set of rods. Depending on how many people I would think something like 575 or so maybe less. If I where doing something cost effective then Gze Pistons with stock 7afe size rods (but aftermarket) should go for about 800 or so for everything. This way everything will bolt in with no modifcation. If you guys are serious I could look into it further.

Ron (951) 283-3778
Motors Unlimited
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so MR2swift can you get a hold of the ARGO rods??

[initialdrift55]

hey quick quest...is it possible to get mr2 pistons n rods? or was that a dumb question lol

[nik]

hey quick quest...is it possible to get mr2 pistons n rods? or was that a dumb question lol
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how about checking the MR2 forums

[Kwanza26]

hey quick quest...is it possible to get mr2 pistons n rods? or was that a dumb question lol
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Depends which MR2 you're talking about here. There are 3 different versions with 3 different engine families.

1st gens... that will be the 4AG... and yes... you can use the pistons from the gen 2 4AG (20mm wrist versions)... but not the rods (from either version). The 7A crank journals are too big.

2nd gen... no. The pistons/rods are much too large.

3rd gen... no... too small.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 22, 2005 - 5:21 PM

[playr158]

so whats the plan here?

cause i need new pistons and rods

thinking of a CR around 9-10

[Exile04]

hey i need them to bu ti dont knwo what cr, i want to turbo later to what do i need

[playr158]

eh i think i'd just stay around 8ish for the turbo just forged stuff

[FallenHero]

2zzge rods length  5.429 (wiseco)
7afe  rods length  5.217 ( Pauter)

difference .212
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I've been looking everywhere for those specs... I don't have them in my database...
As for fitment... gotta do live measurements... compared to the block. The 7A has a larger stroke than the 2ZZ also... so this might not be so good...
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ok, bringing this one back from the dead in order to discuss rod options.

Ok, in regards to 2zz rods: They are Basically two millimeters too long. However, in my reading, the crank journal diameter is two millimeters too small. If you were to machine the rods to be one millimeter shorter when attaching them to the 7a crank, that would make the fitment fairly close with the 4age head. If you were to use new 18mm pin diameter 4agze 8:1 compression pistons (machined in a way to a decrease the length by one more millimeter) which would have to be cut to the 20mm pin size of the 2zz rods... you have quite the combo, and rods that can live with 270whp boosted no problems. All that machine work has a cost though, so here I will discuss another option I came accross.

A LONG time ago I discusses using a set of B-series honda forged pistons. Why? they are hella cheaper than forged pistons made for a toyota. The problem is, they have a pin diameter of 21mm compared the the 20mm of the 7a rod. What about B-series rods?

Amazingly, I have found that the B16 rods are near to identicle on the spec sheet in comparison to 7afe rods. So, let me lay the specs down

RODS \\\\Length\\\\piston pin\\\\\Crank journal diameter
B16\\\\\\\\5.290\\\\\21mm\\\\\\\\48mm
7afe\\\\\\\\5.2165\\\\20mm\\\\\\\\48mm

Honestly guys, that's bleeding close. With the 4age head and forged 4age low comp pistons, we are looking at virtually no size difference between the 7a and B16 rods. With that in mind, I leave you this link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...7973848842&rd=1

Those are eagle H-beam rods that can handle more boost than you would want to throw at them.

Opinions?

Jon

This post has been edited by FallenHero: May 18, 2005 - 10:14 PM

[playr158]

lets stick with on a stock 7afe head

with b16 rods
you still have to find pistons that will

a) fit the motor with a 21mm wrist pin
b) get a known cr

[nik]

in the end for me i looked into other rods for similor size and just made the chose to go custom rods.


i just though keep the crank get custom rods and use the 4agze psitons i though would be the best route and probably the cheapest also instead of your guys alternative routes Because when you start getting down to it fitting different rods to the crank and custom pistons or 4agze psitons then the machine time to get everything to work plus all that math for volume and cc displacment i already went through this on my head and chambers so its not a easy as you guys think so just something to think about

[playr158]

"then the machine time to get everything to work plus all that math for volume and cc displacment"

i really dont' see the machine time with fallen's idea of the b16 rods

minus the fact you'd need a 21mm wrist pin
so you'd have to machine each 7afe piston 1mm? or whatever piston you chose?

the only machine work i see is the wrist pin at this point the rest should all bolt up

[nik]

"then the machine time to get everything to work plus all that math for volume and cc displacment"

i really dont' see the machine time with fallen's idea of the b16 rods

minus the fact you'd need a 21mm wrist pin
so you'd have to machine each 7afe piston 1mm? or whatever piston you chose?

the only machine work i see is the wrist pin at this point the rest should all bolt up
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i wouldn't machine the wrist pin size just get 21mm custom pistons or a piston that comes with a 21mm wrist pin size but then you run into size problems will it work your engine if youre going b16 rods but do you even know the width of the lower part of the piston and the throw of the rod

does the big end housing bore match
what about the beam width
big end ring diameter
will rib to rib width be an issue
one of the biggest ones your center (big end housing) to center (pin end housing) length


see you have alot to look at you cant just throw any rod in there the looks close
and if you do that path you need to do your math on your pistons so they dont push past TDC or push your comp into the 12 or 13:1 range then what do you think it will do with your head need to flow check that and find your cc volume and it goes on and on if you want your motor to last do your research on those numbers

[doGGy]

Amazing find Fallen I hate to say...... but ....... B16 pistons are the same bore as 7A pistons......

And there are lots of versions availible on them... low CR, High CR. And i DO think - using them with the B16 Rods - the Celica 7A rods/piston problem would be solved.

2zzge rods length  5.429 (wiseco)
7afe   rods length  5.217 ( Pauter)

difference .212
[right][snapback]238675[/snapback][/right]

I've been looking everywhere for those specs... I don't have them in my database...
As for fitment... gotta do live measurements... compared to the block. The 7A has a larger stroke than the 2ZZ also... so this might not be so good...
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ok, bringing this one back from the dead in order to discuss rod options.

Ok, in regards to 2zz rods: They are Basically two millimeters too long. However, in my reading, the crank journal diameter is two millimeters too small. If you were to machine the rods to be one millimeter shorter when attaching them to the 7a crank, that would make the fitment fairly close with the 4age head. If you were to use new 18mm pin diameter 4agze 8:1 compression pistons (machined in a way to a decrease the length by one more millimeter) which would have to be cut to the 20mm pin size of the 2zz rods... you have quite the combo, and rods that can live with 270whp boosted no problems. All that machine work has a cost though, so here I will discuss another option I came accross.

A LONG time ago I discusses using a set of B-series honda forged pistons. Why? they are hella cheaper than forged pistons made for a toyota. The problem is, they have a pin diameter of 21mm compared the the 20mm of the 7a rod. What about B-series rods?

Amazingly, I have found that the B16 rods are near to identicle on the spec sheet in comparison to 7afe rods. So, let me lay the specs down

RODS \\\\Length\\\\piston pin\\\\\Crank journal diameter
B16\\\\\\\\5.290\\\\\21mm\\\\\\\\48mm
7afe\\\\\\\\5.2165\\\\20mm\\\\\\\\48mm

Honestly guys, that's bleeding close. With the 4age head and forged 4age low comp pistons, we are looking at virtually no size difference between the 7a and B16 rods. With that in mind, I leave you this link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...7973848842&rd=1

Those are eagle H-beam rods that can handle more boost than you would want to throw at them.

Opinions?

Jon
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[nik]

Amazing find Fallen I hate to say...... but ....... B16 pistons are the same bore as 7A pistons......

And there are lots of versions availible on them... low CR, High CR. And i DO think - using them with the B16 Rods - the Celica 7A rods/piston problem would be solved.

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answer one question guys whats the BIG END HOUSING SIZE on a b16 rod

if this is off and your using the 7a crank it will either push your piston into your head or not far enough the cumbustion

im not trying to rain on you guys i just dont want you to waste money on something that might not work but we wont know until we get more info or some trys it so if someone has money to throw at this go for it hopefully it works out if not just sell your rods or pistons

[playr158]

Amazing find Fallen I hate to say...... but ....... B16 pistons are the same bore as 7A pistons......

And there are lots of versions availible on them... low CR, High CR. And i DO think - using them with the B16 Rods - the Celica 7A rods/piston problem would be solved.

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answer one question guys whats the BIG END HOUSING SIZE on a b16 rod

if this is off and your using the 7a crank it will either push your piston into your head or not far enough the cumbustion

im not trying to rain on you guys i just dont want you to waste money on something that might not work but we wont know until we get more info or some trys it so if someone has money to throw at this go for it hopefully it works out if not just sell your rods or pistons
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so if we can find out the "big end housing size"
(please define what that is)
and it comes out the same
we should be good to go on forged b16 rods? and pistons

[playr158]

honda b16 big end width in inches = .935
bore = 48

[nik]

go here on page 161

http://crower.com/misc/m_cat.shtml

[playr158]

does anyone know the 7afe BE specs?

i already found the honda b16 specs as posted above ^^^
but if the 7afe is the same :/ we should be good to go with b16 rods and pistons?

This post has been edited by playr158: May 20, 2005 - 12:46 PM

[nik]

does anyone know the 7afe BE specs?

i already found the honda b16 specs as posted above ^^^
but if the 7afe is the same :/ we should be good to go with b16 rods and pistons?
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i have to find my 7afe rod spec sheet

[playr158]

hurry nik

[FallenHero]

I wish coomer would sticky my engine tech thread...

[playr158]

umm nik have your sheet

or does anyone know

7afte
Big end info?

[playr158]

bump
honda size is 48mm
NIK post the celica size when you get it today

[FallenHero]

48mm is 7afe and B16. the length is off by two millimeters... which can be fixed for the most part. the piston pin on the honda is 21mm as opposed to the 20mm of the 7a and most 4a's.

the width is the possible problem, not the diameter. we need to know how wide the top end and bottom ends are on the 7afe. I have the B16info.

[nik]

48mm is 7afe and B16.  the length is off by two millimeters... which can be fixed for the most part.  the piston pin on the honda is 21mm as opposed to the 20mm of the 7a and most 4a's. 

the width is the possible problem, not the diameter.  we need to know how wide the top end and bottom ends are on the 7afe.  I have the B16info.
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that sounds right i though it was either 45 or 48

so you need the width shown here

[FallenHero]

bingo. Got a ruler on hand? it really doesn't need to be that close... It'd be easy to get it to within a mm.

4ag's are 45mm journal, and 48mm mains. same as the 2zz.l I guess it's a -g- thing.

7a is 48mm mains and 48mm journals. According to Kwanza. You could measure that also.

This post has been edited by FallenHero: Jun 1, 2005 - 7:38 PM

[playr158]

bump for nik and a ruler

[nik]

bump for nik and a ruler
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once i get off work i'll get my trusty ruler out and give you guys a number

[playr158]

nik ruler....

[nik]

nik ruler....
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about 1.7mm

[playr158]

bottom or top?

[playr158]

and that can't be

1.7mm? as a BEW?


you have to measure the inside of the big circle NIK
how wide is its wall?

we're lookin for sum thing close to .935 inches!

This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 3, 2005 - 10:15 AM

[playr158]

we need the measurement of letter "c"

in this picture http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/srpl...8/untitled4.bmp

[nik]

we need the measurement of letter "c"

in this picture http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/srpl...8/untitled4.bmp
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oops sorry its 1.7 cm or 17mm thats for figure C

[playr158]

ah 17mm

DAMN IT MOTHER FREAKIN CRAP HEAD

17mm = .66929 inches

b18c1 = .858 -----.18871 to large

b18/b16 = .935 ----- .26571 to large



This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 3, 2005 - 10:34 AM

[nik]

you have to measure the inside of the big circle NIK
how wide is its wall?

we're lookin for sum thing close to .935 inches!
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now your looking for.....figure B the diameter of the big end the small end being D witch is 20mm

.935 inchs = 23.749 mm

[playr158]

so it won't work

[nik]

so it won't work
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i could have been about mm off but thats only 18mm so again i think the honda rods are too wide but keep looking

[playr158]

ok so back to custom

nik how much did they cost you?

[nik]

ok so back to custom

nik how much did they cost you?
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$700 but the tag price is $795 i got the discount because of all the work i was getting done

[playr158]

GB

do you have a prt # on them?

This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 3, 2005 - 10:44 AM

[nik]

GB

do you have a prt # on them?
[right][snapback]294760[/snapback][/right]

http://www.atomicspeedware.com/pauttoy.htm

rod # PA-TOY-200-510-1325F

its listed for $715 but i still had to send in a rod and it had to custom made not off the shelf can be up to 10 weeks

[playr158]

lol i got 10 weeks haha

i still need to pay slipgun for the turbo and wastegate
b4 i get these i just need information to sponge everything first
then i'll ring myself out and buy stuff

[FallenHero]

17mm? dude, that's the size of a dime. Are you sure? I know the pin diameter is 20mm, and that on the rods pictured looks smaller than the BEW...

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_image...899_94_full.jpg

if they are 17mm, it's no wonder they are destroyed under boost...

[CheesyLobster]

I'd like to reserect this one... Still any interest in those pistons/rods?

[playr158]

yes please search been covered on different thread.....

pauter forged rods
http://www.atomicspeedware.com/pauttoy.htm

and 4agze pistons

[FallenHero]

update. 7afe rods are smaller than my little finger... =BLEEDING SMALL