More bad news for california Drivers Options

[hioctane]

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This post has been edited by hioctane: Jul 31, 2005 - 1:04 PM

[slipgun]

Having thoes gps system that talk back how many miles would be A. Very expensive, how would they add thoes into all the cars that dont currently have them. B. Coundnt that make privacy issues? I wonder if they would be set to track where you go.

[97sccelica]

hah

i found the lojack in my car.

it will be even easier to find and remove that GPS tracking crap and let it sit in my garage.

guess if it happens, i will also remove the speedo cable on my mazda beater(soon i will be driving it 140 miles a day in that car alone) i will do it to my mom's car too, she puts on like 4000 miles a month

we cant catch a break, they have the taxes on gas, then the gas guzzler tax(one time payment made at original purchase), and now that they are selling cars that need gas 1/3 as often they want to make up for not taxing them as much.

so yea, they could install a tracker on my cars, i will just remove them and unplug the speedo's

oh yeah, i just thought of something

how much would it cost to put a GPS tracker on EVERY CAR IN CALIFORNIA?

****, my family has 6 cars and 3 drivers. every house on my street has atleast 3 cars.

i think it would be easier to tax cars that are rated at less than 18mpg city, since most of those cars are the ones that put the most wear and tear on the roads.

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Feb 16, 2005 - 1:02 PM

[Digndoug]

they could do somthinglike emmisions, like every 6 months u have to go to a station to check milage, and then pay an amountor somthing.

That is BS.. good thing we dont have that problem on the east side.
but u could do a lot of things to get around it.. You would be screwed if you got caught, but thats life.

[Supersprynt]

Wait wait wait. We already do this, its called BUYING MORE GAS. The more you drive the more gas you pay and the more taxes you pay because taxes are on gas.

California needs to start voting out representatives & senators because you guys are getting bvttfvcked.

[Digndoug]

Wait wait wait. We already do this, its called BUYING MORE GAS. The more you drive the more gas you pay and the more taxes you pay because taxes are on gas.

California needs to start voting out representatives & senators because you guys are getting bvttfvcked.
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An this is why im SO THANKFULL Kerry didnt get votes in, he would have already raised it a $1 a gallon everywhere.

[shid]

One of the reasons this legislation is supposidely gaining weight is because hybrid cars do damage to the roads and pay less.

But really guys, all this is is sensationalism. YOU and ME have to vote to make this take effect, and no one will EVER vote this in.

[Supersprynt]

how do hybrid cars damage roads?

[shid]

Proponents of this legislative say that hybrid vehicles put the same wear and tear on the roads as normal vehicles, but pay less in taxes meant for road maintenance (gas tax)

Articles are here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/02/14/...ain674120.shtml
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/08/19/s.../article_208035
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/st...,656107,00.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/st...,656127,00.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/leaders/sto...,656082,00.html
http://www.wired.com/news/autotech/0,2554,58616,00.html

and neat picture here
http://www.ocregister.com/newsimages/news/...19milefee.g.jpg

You can read those, but I wouldn't bother.

This is just overhyped sensationalism

[slipgun]

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An this is why im SO THANKFULL Kerry didnt get votes in, he would have already raised it a $1 a gallon everywhere.
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"Bush recently attacked Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), his Democratic opponent, for once favoring a 50-cent-per- gallon increase.

The Kerry campaign responded that while the senator did mention such a potential increase in a 1994 newspaper article that also discussed possible tax cuts, he never voted for it.

At the state level, however, there has been considerable bipartisan support for changes. "

It was a 50 cent increase, in 1994, when gas prices where LOW.

"At a rally in Appleton, Wis., on March 30(2004), President Bush came down hard on Democrats for supporting an increase in the 18.4- cent-a-gallon federal gasoline tax, which finances highway building, mass-transit projects and safety programs."
Sorry he wanted to fund things with real money instead of a deficit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...2-2004Apr9.html

[Supersprynt]

Oh I see what you mean. They, in particular, dont damage roads more or less than other cars but use less gas therefore less taxes are paid.

This is BS, a big selling point for hybrid cars is to save money in the long run, I think automaker lobbyists would be against this, there will be no point to buying hybrid cars.

[shid]

right

of course, don't forget the other law that no one pays attention to- SUVs over 2 tons (most of them) are illegal on almost ANY residential or side street!

[Supersprynt]

My bad 1 ton = 2000lbs, thats 4000lbs. Is this a federal law or stateside.

An H1 Hummer is 10,000lbs.
A Lexus GX (pretty large SUV) is 4800lbs.

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[shid]

Woops, my bad, I meant THREE tons; and it's all municipal laws. You know those signs that have a truck on them with a NO TRUCKS OVER 6000 POUNDS

it applies to cars too, but no one ever cites it- city officials sometimes say it doesn't apply, etc.

However, at the same time, people get a HUGE tax break when they buy a truck/SUV over 6000 pounds that they say they use it for work-

*shrug*

[Supersprynt]

Tax breaks are due to the increased gas usage, so they try to even it out.

[shid]

Super, the tax breaks here in Cali are to make it easier on businesses to buy trucks they need for the business- assuming those trucks abide by business standards.

However, people who buy the trucks with the business right off and just use them for commuting..

They shouldn't try to even it out, SUVs cause way more damage to roads.

[saleeka]

"Shame on you, trying to help the enviornment by using less fuel and causing less air polution... But we see though all that goodness, your really just trying to evade on your taxes!!!" Thats wack. No wait, not just wack, but wiggety wack

This post has been edited by saleeka: Feb 16, 2005 - 4:51 PM

[Coomer]

Did you guys read the article someone posted here a while back about the systems in new cars today and the information gathered and stuff? I know not many replied but there was mention of this in there.

Also, drivers in the US and Canada have been found guilty of being at-fault in some car accidents, not from witness accounts or police reports, but from recorded driving data subpoenad(spelling?) from companies like OnStar.

Potential things such as giving out tickets without ever being pulled over, insurance premiums based on exactly how you drive(your speed, location, how many Gs your car pulls while turning, braking, accelerating, etc. can all be recorded via OnStar), etc. were also in the article. Scary, scary stuff.

[97sccelica]

im glad no car i would ever be interested in has the option of on star

[Coomer]

im glad no car i would ever be interested in has the option of on star
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Same here...I told my parents(who know nothing about cars but like my car shopping advice) I won't let them buy anything with OnStar either.

[turboinduction]

its the beginning to the end...

just like Chris said. Get a speeding ticket for going over. Or they will just make cars that physically CANT speed in a certain area based on GPS. Your on a 25MPH road.... well, whoppie... you can only do 25. The mileage tax is ok... however.... they should then abbolish gas tax. But nope, wont do that.... its giving them extra pocket change. Fix the roads my ass. I've sent in 14 letters to date about a pot hole on a side street my friend lives on. Its about a 50 dollar fix with tar. Its been 4 years and nope... no fix. Its sad, just sad. And we vote this stuff on ourself. GET OUT AND VOTE PEOPLE. Otherwise your country voters (elderly people who dont drive) will be making YOUR car laws. This is what I stand for. No governement interference. No governement ties to anything EXCEPT war and foreign affairs. Read "1984." Our country is becoming exactly like this book. GPS in cars or should I say "Big Brother is watching you."

-Ti

[dstrbcelica]

i gave speech last semester on why you should get out and vote. voting rocks.

-dstrb

[orvillescelica]

If this tax is put into place, then there is no incentive to buying a fuel efficent or hybrid car. If there is no incentive, then car makers will stop making them. And thats opposite of the move that we are trying to make.

Plus, cities already have this in a less tech way. They are called FREE WAY TOLLS!!! Why not just place toll booths on the freeways, and thus tax people when they use it. Lots of states have tolls, and it helps pay for both the construction of the freeway and upkeep. No need for privacy issues and the big brother into all this.

[Kwanza26]

If anything... the govenment should tax those sh!t heads who cruise around solo in SUVs and Trucks. Those suckers are the ones that hurt us... the hybrids are what can balance it out.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Feb 16, 2005 - 8:14 PM

[97sccelica]

If anything... the govenment should tax those sh!t heads who cruise around solo in SUVs and Trucks.  Those suckers are the ones that hurt us... the hybrids are what can balance it out.
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thats exactly what i said

soccer moms driving lifted excursions with only one or two kids in the car at the most, but usually just bags of food.

[Andason]

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An this is why im SO THANKFULL Kerry didnt get votes in, he would have already raised it a $1 a gallon everywhere.
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"Bush recently attacked Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), his Democratic opponent, for once favoring a 50-cent-per- gallon increase.

The Kerry campaign responded that while the senator did mention such a potential increase in a 1994 newspaper article that also discussed possible tax cuts, he never voted for it.

At the state level, however, there has been considerable bipartisan support for changes. "

It was a 50 cent increase, in 1994, when gas prices where LOW.

"At a rally in Appleton, Wis., on March 30(2004), President Bush came down hard on Democrats for supporting an increase in the 18.4- cent-a-gallon federal gasoline tax, which finances highway building, mass-transit projects and safety programs."
Sorry he wanted to fund things with real money instead of a deficit.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...2-2004Apr9.html
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i hate you people who think you know EVERYTHING about politics. this is bigger than john kerry. you should thank your war in iraq because it saves you a dollar plus a gallon. once the oil is sold in euros your not going to be happy. hussein was trying to see this process get done.

"land of the free because of the brave"

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buy the car for the car, and take out onstar and replace with something else.

[slipgun]

If the war in Iraq only saves me a dollar plus a gallon they should just take the money they spend on the war in Iraq and give me free gas. I don’t know everything, but I do a ridiculous statement when its made.

[MoralWarfare]

"Seeing tax dollars dwindling, neighboring Oregon has already started road testing the idea. "

ok you can save a million dollars or more if you jsut cut the excessive amount of money state workers (most) and officials get for their mediocre jobs. That's just one way I've thought of in two minutes...

Not to mention we're taxed on everything having to do with cars already, damn. Buy it and get taxed, register and get taxed, etc.

[Ale_lock]

I'm glad I kept my mountain bike around, knowing the government they'll tax people for riding bikes also..

[Mynzeyes]

you guys have the Terminator as your governer...that's so sad...but i guess it's not as sad as jesse ventura getting into office...

[saleeka]

i will second that, he was HORRIBLE... out state's budget went to sh*t like that...

[shid]

yeah, quite honestly, he's not doing that bad in office, the state's getting back on track,

and he is a smart guy- my dad (masters) attended a dinner and managed to speak to him for a little bit, and came away very impressed.

but then, actors politicians are supposed to leave that impression.

[carb0n_f1b3r]

well friends it really warms my heart when i get to see ppl my age getting pissed off/paranoid what ever @ the government.... i hope that one day a generation will break free of the 'be a good little citizen and obey' policies that we've all been indoctrinated with since primary school (which are govt. funded) i mean why do you think you always hear politicians screaming about funding for education? which is about 71.5 billion a year but ranked 18th in the worlds educational standings.. thats my f*cking hard f#cking work energy money thats going towards all this sh^t and its more than just every last one of our wallets thats taking hits we are allowing ourselves to become subjegated a little more every freakin day... we need some way to force our "representatives" to be held accountable for the actions that they take....but everyone is so apathetic mainly because of the indoctrination of certain 'values, materialism, "entertainment," conformity, all for the sake of profit....money power , its the nature of capitalism... im no communist or nothing but i will not stand to be some f$cking cog in a machine obeying every lever my oppresive master engages..........

...whew....sorry for ranting but f)ck......

[pr_caralho]

you guys have the Terminator as your governer...that's so sad...but i guess it's not as sad as jesse ventura getting into office...
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Sooner or later Bruce willis will be president, yippie ky aye mother fuc ker