Here's a poll!!!!!, supra,3000GT,evo 8,sti,350z,NSX S,rx8 Options

[Timeless6gcelica]

What do u guys think? My buddy just got a turbonetics kit for his H22A that he has in his 99 civic. He thinks he'll be runnin with these cars, c'mon now is it possible? I mean i know the civic is a lite ass car but even with 400+hp, these other cars are designed to be sport compacts, the civic is not....voice ur opinions!

[IcemanTK]

Right off the floor...... NSX hands down.. more of a low level super car than a sport compact...

[Timeless6gcelica]

ahh yes this is true, but do u think its possible for a turbo h block to compete?

[dstrbcelica]

meh..rx8 b/c they're under powered.

-dstrb

[thedevilmaycrie]

what kinda race are we talking about? a drag? off the line evo 8 hands down... awd... and its lighter then the wrx...

-DMC

This post has been edited by thedevilmaycrie: Feb 17, 2005 - 5:07 PM

[Chrobis]

BTW this is on off topic post as it has nothing to do with a celica

but anyways, I doubt his civic will be pushing 400+hp without several other mods. But anyways, I thought the 3s would be kinda fast in the celi but was moddest and didnt think I could roll with "fast" cars. Well I raced an Evo 8 and was only at his back door, and he had started in front of me... On that note also, I got desimated by an AMG mercedes. My point I guess is what trims of the above cars, driver, and additions will make a huge difference and your buddies done up civic could have a chance against some of those cars.

Also, HP numbers are not everything. There is also torque (which honda's are infamous about not having) and weight. I have this video on my comp of a MR2 turbo (w/ 3rd gen 3s-gte pushing 245hp) vs a RX7 with 255hp. Seems like the Rx7 would win hands down but it gets beat up by the MR2 pretty badly. (also that video is of some japanese television show on a profesional course with profesional drivers, not some street race)

[dstrbcelica]

street racing is stupid and dangerous anyway.

-dstrb

[Consynx]

NSX, are you insane?
that's $80k
only thing that can touch it in price is FQ400 and 0mile Supra.

[Insanity-74]

400BHP from a Civic is gonna require some serious mods to the engine, gearbox, in fact just about the whole car, it would rip itself to bits.
I voted for the NSX, Nice cars to drive, handles exceptionaly well, looking a bit dated now but still a great car, my boss used to have one and let me drive it once, I had a smile on my face for a week.

[ghostdog]

BTW this is on off topic post as it has nothing to do with a celica 
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werd. topic moved -gd

[Timeless6gcelica]

points taken... but this is not ur everyday d-block honda, he has the h22a out of a newer prelude (theres 200 horses) plus he has the h22 ecu and also a 2 1/2" exhaust and a CAI. Right now he's running around 220 hp, i dont know about the ft/lbs but i know theres no rev limiter and i've seen the tach burried (8500 rpms) This is a serious civ. With the turbonetics t3/t4 kit, hp gains are estimated around 200. I'm just wonderin if the j-spec H-block can handle that power. And as far as the NSX which many of u voted on, it will never be dated....

[ghostdog]

its not a fair comparison. you are comparing a stock supra, nsx, etc vs a highly modified civic. besides, do you actually think you will run against a stock supra or otherwise? people buy those cars to modify and the ones with stockers will not be racing a civic revving up on them at a stoplight.

[Timeless6gcelica]

damn guys its pretty close between the sti and the evo. i know i'm surprised theres no votes for the Z.

[Timeless6gcelica]

good point gh0st but lets say YOUR in an nsx type S and u roll up on a little brite green civic that sounds kinda good...so u give it a rev to say "dont **** with me" and he has the balls to rev back, and the little civ sounds like a 4 cyl on PCP, would u race him or say "ahhhh, he knows not race MY bad ass NSX? Cuz i know if i was on the NSX power trip i would race him, i just dont know how it would turn out.

what i'm sayin is anything is possible, even turning a civic into a CIVIC w/ BALLS

[Timeless6gcelica]

What about the Skyline? I didnt even put him in there b/c the r34 would destroy any car on any poll with the exception of a mclaren or any other SUPER CAR, which the nsx is not.

[Digndoug]

oh i didnt realize this poll, but a turbo h22 will run 13's. Theres a guy down my street with a 92 civic hatch with full wide body, and turbo h22 and it runs 12.6 which last i saw is faster then all of those cars.

This post has been edited by Digndoug: Feb 17, 2005 - 8:54 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I voted H22 civic, because it's the only one mentioned to be modded. And a lot of people on this site hate Hondas, so some one needs to get behind them. Seriously though, H22 turbo could beat all these if set up right. And that's in any racing condition. There's no way you could argue that.

[97sccelica]

drag

with the right suspension

and slicks

a turbo h22 civic hatch will be fast as hell.

oh i didnt realize this poll, but a turbo h22 will run 13's. Theres a guy down my street with a 92 civic hatch with full wide body, and turbo h22 and it runs 12.6 which last i saw is faster then all of those cars.

13's? those guys cant drive or dont have the right suspension setup

i have seen NA JDM h22 hatch civics run 13's at LACR, which is a high elevation track, with the only mods being open header and an intake and prolly a hondata ecu. a CRX with a turbo B16 around here runs mid 11's

turbo h22 hatch would slaughter an NA 350z, a NA rx8, an NSX, stock STI, stock EVO, stock mk4 supra TT, stock 3000gt vr4

i hope your buddy is rebuilding the engine, 11:1 CR and boost make for a lot of detonation.

and that turbonetics kit was crap for my friend's prelude vtec. the MF2 box never worked, car ran so damn lean im suprized he didnt blow the **** out of his engine. and he still hasnt gotten the car to run right

This post has been edited by 97sccelica: Feb 18, 2005 - 3:53 AM

[97sccelica]

BTW, i have had experience with all those cars

as for a skyline, they arent meant for drag despite the amazing drivetrain, and even still, a turbo h22 civic hatch with slicks and drag suspension would kill a stock R34 in the 1/4 mile

[mr_dude]

Good to see the 3KGT still gets mentioned nowadays. It is such a beautiful thing.

[Supersprynt]

Theres alot of love for that overpriced Honda.
EVO8 MR>STI>EVO8

[Digndoug]

drag

with the right suspension

and slicks

a turbo h22 civic hatch will be fast as hell.

oh i didnt realize this poll, but a turbo h22 will run 13's. Theres a guy down my street with a 92 civic hatch with full wide body, and turbo h22 and it runs 12.6 which last i saw is faster then all of those cars.

13's? those guys cant drive or dont have the right suspension setup

i have seen NA JDM h22 hatch civics run 13's at LACR, which is a high elevation track, with the only mods being open header and an intake and prolly a hondata ecu. a CRX with a turbo B16 around here runs mid 11's

turbo h22 hatch would slaughter an NA 350z, a NA rx8, an NSX, stock STI, stock EVO, stock mk4 supra TT, stock 3000gt vr4

i hope your buddy is rebuilding the engine, 11:1 CR and boost make for a lot of detonation.

and that turbonetics kit was crap for my friend's prelude vtec. the MF2 box never worked, car ran so damn lean im suprized he didnt blow the **** out of his engine. and he still hasnt gotten the car to run right
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I dont know what he had done when he ran 12.6. i know it was a show car at first so he has a full wide body kit and a lot of custom interior stuff done, so maybe its the extra wieght of all that. Also that might have been without the turbo. I have only talked to him once and thats what he said and i think at the time he didnt have the turbo. Hes friends with my buddie, so im not sure all whats done or when or how or any real spefics.

BIMEANBULLDOGS
Also by the way an h22 civic will not own all those cars. in all racing. It will only own in drag. Its way to much wieght in the front and those cars are built and designed for racing.

[nik]

hey Timeless6gcelica

what the guys name?

[Timeless6gcelica]

yeah the turbos not actually on yet but the H block na pulls in high 12s to low 13s and the turbo kit is supposed to hop the hp up by 200 so it should be fun. u guys think it would take the stock sti huh? idk about that...the stock sti's run 13 sec qt miles and that subaru awd system coupled with sport suspension give it amazing acceleration...

[Timeless6gcelica]

whats up nik.....uh i'm sure u've seen the car around but his name is bryce... u might know him, but what ever u do dont race him...lol na ur celi might keep up aright but that h22 is a monster!!!

[creis]

are they all stock except the civic, if so the civic pwns, but if there all done up to the max then its really just between the supra and nsx.

[97sccelica]

Theres alot of love for that overpriced Honda.
EVO8 MR>STI>EVO8
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nsx is way overpriced, and becuase of that, overrated.

it would be an awesome car if it was $50-$60k not almost $90k

and people also seem to think that its an amazing 1/4 mile car.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Quote from Digndoug, "BIMEANBULLDOGS
Also by the way an h22 civic will not own all those cars. in all racing. It will only own in drag. Its way to much wieght in the front and those cars are built and designed for racing."

EDIT: I still can't figure out how to quote just parts of poeples messages.

I stand by my original statement, I know about the wieght issues. That's why I said with the right set up. An H22 hachback would be a great AutoX car because of it's length, and if you had the right supension set up it would work. It's a common thing for poeple to think that an H22 is too much wieght up front for it to ever turn, but if you ask some of these guys who really do this swap, they don't loose that much. Anything they do loose can be gained back with the right suspension set up. There's always moving radiators/batteries/brake pumps/just about every except the block to the truck. This would help even it out. The only think I think the Civic maybe couldn't compete would be dirt/snow rally for it's lack of AWD.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 19, 2005 - 1:36 PM

[saleeka]

Ok, so this is why i give the civic the - Even if the car was done up to the max, and it handels really well, and all that... Its already met its potential, whereas the rest of the list can just as easily be modded up and in turn smack the civic around... Dont get me wrong im not hating on the civic or more importantly the H22, but come on now, a civic chassis has less potential then most of the other cars on the list, plain and simple...

[95gtschick]

did you know that the frame of the civic can only handle up to 300whp? ever think of that?

[97sccelica]

did you know that the frame of the civic can only handle up to 300whp? ever think of that?
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its very easy to fix that

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Ok, so this is why i give the civic the  - Even if the car was done up to the max, and it handels really well, and all that... Its already met its potential, whereas the rest of the list can just as easily be modded up and in turn smack the civic around... Dont get me wrong im not hating on the civic or more importantly the H22, but come on now, a civic chassis has less potential then most of the other cars on the list, plain and simple...
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I see your point, but if your going to go that far it's just a matter of which has the best base. And each car is good for different things. I think the Supra for is proven drag and AutoX possibilities, and the STI for it's AutoX and and Rally possibilities would be the best choices. But an H22 civic will allways give you a good run for your money on the street, so that's why I like it.

[DamDirtyApes]

supra


FAST AND THE FURIOUS YO

lol

[Shigexile]

this all depends on the type of race and the driver's skills. Hey, even if the drivers are all profesionals, the results can still be argued. Some drivers drive better in a civic then a NSX or a supra. Some drivers are better at driving FR then AWD. <--Refering to curcuit driving.

[celicarocker]

good point gh0st but lets say YOUR in an nsx type S and u roll up on a little brite green civic that sounds kinda good...so u give it a rev to say "dont **** with me" and he has the balls to rev back, and the little civ sounds like a 4 cyl on PCP, would u race him or say "ahhhh, he knows not race MY bad ass NSX?  Cuz i know if i was on the NSX power trip i would race him, i just dont know how it would turn out.

what i'm sayin is anything is possible, even turning a civic into a CIVIC w/ BALLS
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somebodys watched the fast and the furious toooo much....

[Timeless6gcelica]

i hate fast and furious its one of the ****tiest movies of alll time! what im tryin to figure out is if the h22 civ is all its cracked up to be...because i know its fast and i know its a major mod to make a civic an actual racer. But is it capable of competing with these cars on the street....

[Anub1s]

That H22A is a very very strong engine with a lot of potential. Don't under estimate any kind of power in any form, you never know what can happen. Either way I voted STI.

[97sccelica]

i hate fast and furious its one of the ****tiest movies of alll time!  what im tryin to figure out is if the h22 civ is all its cracked up to be...because i know its fast and i know its a major mod to make a civic an actual racer.  But is it capable of competing with these cars on the street....
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like i said earlier

yes. given that it has slicks, suspension, and good driver