7agte build diary, my progress so far Options

[nik]

Feb 25 2005

recieved
intake manifold w/ throttle body (small port)
stock cams gears (small port)
oem FPR
fuel rail (big port)

(( from Bee aka kwanza ))

big port head from a 4agze ebay

Feb 28 2005

i drop the head off at F-Tuning (local shop) to get the head pressure checked if good the head will get fully tuned new valve spring P&P etc.

sent money off to a MR2 member for a
AE101 LEVIN MAP/DLI 4AGZE 1992+ MAP/DLI engine wiring harness

also bought 440 cc 7mgte injectors
4ag AEM adjustable cam gears
talking to frotou about a custom manifold

Need to talk to the shop about what cams to use i'm thinking 256 intake 243 exhaust

March 1 2005

things a need to do
track down DLI coils and distributor
track down a 92+ levin Map ecu ( any help on this one will be a big help)

This post has been edited by nik: Mar 11, 2005 - 12:39 PM

[Kwanza26]

Hey nik... that manifold is smallport. I told you that eh... PM me...

[nik]

Hey nik... that manifold is smallport.  I told you that eh... PM me...
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whats the air flow difference between the small and big manifolds i want as much flow as i could get

[FallenHero]

small port=more velocity less volume. the large port is less velocity and more volume..

However,,, I don't think the small port manifold will bolt up to the large port head....

[nik]

UPDATE

March 3 2005
found a 3 gen 4agze map ecu on club4age.com

[nik]

this is what i want my motor to look like

[FallenHero]

this is what i want my motor to look like


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nice AE. What kind of ignition is that tihing using? I see no distributor, is it using the miata units?

[nik]

update:

March 10 2005
3rd gen 4agze map ecu came in
cam covers came in

March 11 2005
just bought cams and one cover from Bee (kwanza)
and ordered a adpter plate from techno toys

[nik]

nice. im doing a 4agte build so far got a 87 4age taking it apart this weekend.
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what are you doing for a manifold the only ones i found

jdm one rare about $1000+ship
jgstools log 260 shipped
HKS 250 shipped cast log
custom 700+
Frotuo will make his for 650-700+ ship


i've seen i few manifolds on club4age that were made from REVHARD b-series manifolds

i might buy a b-series cut it and weld a 4age jgstools flange to it.

[nik]

well there is a company in canada doing 7ag conversions

7ag builders

[nik]

update March 15 2005

i won some new 8.0:1 4agze pistons on ebay yesterday
Pictures

Also won a B-series turbo manifold and waste gate
(( its the same one that is in the AE86 pic i posted))

Plus a 4ag flange
Picture

look out washington people if i get this motor done you'll see it at HIN this year

[FallenHero]

wait, you are going to cut off the B-series flange and use the 4a flange... That's a great, cheap alternative. . Do you have a web page where they have done this?

[nik]

wait, you are going to cut off the B-series flange and use the 4a flange...  That's a great, cheap alternative. .  Do you have a web page where they have done this?
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you see the picture a few post up that AE86 has a revhard B-series manifold i got the idea from a few guys on club4age.com search in fun talk and type "another turbo 4ag" or turbo 4ag or search the member cluboldschool

another guy using the cut b-series mani

[nik]

this is what i want my motor to look like


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From club4age

INTAKE SPECS...

Revhard Honda B Series Intake Manifold, Modified Flange and Throttle Body Inlet.

70mm RPM Billet Throttle Body.



SPECS.....

Engine: 4AGZ Head and Block
Engine Management: AUTRONIC SMC
Ignition: 4 Channel CDI/DIS
Ignition Coils : GSXR 1100
Fuel Pump: Twin Turbo Supra (intank)
Injectors: Seimens 60lbs.
Turbo: Turbonetics V-trim
Intake: Redtop Runners with custom Plenum
Header : Revhard
Intercooler/Piping: Revhard
Wastegate: Tial 38mm
Blow Off : HKS
Exhaust: Custom 3" to a 3.5" Muffler

Future Mods: Koyo Radiators, Fidanza Cam Gears, 20V ITB's, Tilton Master Cylinder (under dash), Paradise Racing Coilover kit, Piper Cams, Garrett GT3071 Turbo, etc

[FallenHero]

nice. that's what I like to see. Outside the box thinking. Althought... i would probably go with a built in waste gate... I don't know how to work with those pictured.

[nik]

nice.  that's what I like to see.  Outside the box thinking.  Althought... i would probably go with a built in waste gate... I don't know how to work with those pictured.
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for big power i was told by the shop to go external i just got some more parts i'll have to take a few pics of what i have and get them on here

[FallenHero]

hey, if it works for you that rocks. I just want to see how the Bseries manifold works... and how close it would be to fitting if you didn't change the flange.

[doGGy]

Nik, if ya going with the same Exhaust Mani, be prepared to loose your radiator, cut the hole in the hood and etc......

There is NO ROOM at all for somthing like this.... Then i builded my header, i got into these problems.... whats why i didnt go with the equal lenght pipes... Cuz there is no place at all......

update March 15 2005

i won some new 8.0:1 4agze pistons on ebay yesterday
Pictures

Also won a B-series turbo manifold and waste gate
(( its the same one that is in the AE86 pic i posted))

Plus a 4ag flange
Picture

  look out washington people if i get this motor done you'll see it at HIN this year 
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[trdevelopment]

nice. im doing a 4agte build so far got a 87 4age taking it apart this weekend.
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what are you doing for a manifold the only ones i found

jdm one rare about $1000+ship
jgstools log 260 shipped
HKS 250 shipped cast log
custom 700+
Frotuo will make his for 650-700+ ship


i've seen i few manifolds on club4age that were made from REVHARD b-series manifolds

i might buy a b-series cut it and weld a 4age jgstools flange to it.
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im talkin to the guy on 4agte.com hes got a turbo 4agte and im gonna see if he can weld me a mani for the celi.

[nik]

hey, if it works for you that rocks.  I just want to see how the Bseries manifold works... and how close it would be to fitting if you didn't change the flange.
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this is what it looks like the turbo will stay in the same place down low the guys with the AR86 cut and turned the mani up im no doing that no room like you said
oh and congrats on the mod thing

[nik]

Picture from inside TEAM 66


this is the bigport 4agze head before it went to the shop for a rebuild and stage2 p&p and other goodies


here you can see the intake mani, turbo mani, fuel rail, 4ag flange and the 8.0:1 pistons on the far left


here you can see my 38mm wastegate, Ecu, and the far left some stock 4agze 8.9:1 pistons with rods


close up of the manifold


close up of the wastegate and new pistons with rings (red box)


close up of the 4agze rods and pistons


this is probably the hardest thing to find a 3rd gen 4agze map ECU from a AE101 92+


for more just click the link up top

This post has been edited by nik: Mar 28, 2005 - 11:12 AM

[nik]

update

April 2 2005

went and bought a block with head off another memeber in Spokane for $50

April 4 2005

i got most of the block apart

[nik]

update
april 14 2005

i got the block all torn apart and took it to the shop to be cleaned and .05 bore along with the crank so it could preped ,and balanced with my 4agze pistons still waiting on rods

sold my turbo kit to a member on here so i'll have the money to finish my project mostly

This post has been edited by nik: Apr 14, 2005 - 12:34 PM

[playr158]

how much is the bore costing you?

and isn't that a b series manifold?
hows the fit against the head?

[nik]

how much is the bore costing you?

and isn't that a b series manifold?
hows the fit against the head?
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not much gotta love the hook ups

yeah its a b-series that i cut then one of the guys there welded to the flange after setting it on the head and taking measurements for clearance in the engine bay
i did the b-series because the holes line up about 95% to my 4ag exhaust flange i have a pic i'll have to post a bunch today.

[playr158]

oh gotcha used the pipes but cut them off and used a stock 4ag flange

i see even your exhaust manifold is hybrid hahaha

ewww hond parts in a yota ! ANARCHI

[nik]

oh gotcha used the pipes but cut them off and used a stock 4ag flange

i see even your exhaust manifold is hybrid hahaha

ewww hond parts in a yota ! ANARCHI
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not anarchy but Genius honda parts are cheaper than toyota parts and the manifold is Stainless steel with renforcement + its hard to find a 4age turbo manifold beside hks and jgtsool which are both log style manifolds. So as you sadi and hybrid manifold for a hybrid motor

[nik]

I'm going in today for an update on everything.

as for the turbo how about a t3 t4 hybrid for thr hybrid

i'm ordering the arp bolts mains studs rods etc today

the con rods crower said a 10 week wait on the custom ones
the shops owner said his contact had a set of 4340 cromoly rods for a good price so hopefully i can get those.

[nik]

update

my rod got sent out to have custom ones made i though they were going to send out the measurements so again sorry Doggy

I'm looking up to 8 weeks for rods

head is finished and the block is started
going to run into a few problems i have no cam card so timing will be a issue
it will get worked out on the dyno

[Mike431635]

Hey nik, how close are the runners on that B-series manifold to matching up with a 7AFE/4AFE head? I'm doing a 4AFTE, currently planning on using a Jgstools manifold, but would love to have a manifold like that. I know the 4AFE and 7AFE exhaust ports are the same size & location, so could you possibly check it against a 7AFE head for me?

[FallenHero]

the 7afe and 4age heads are remarkably similar. The spacing between the intake and exhaust on both engines are absolutely miniscule.

hey nik. I had my 4a and 7a heads side by side the other day... and was thinking: the 4ag exhaust valves are fairly small... I wonder what gains would be made by getting larger ones... like the 7afe intake valves for instance. Just throwing that out for discussion.(and yes, I know machining would be necessary)

Any news on those rod dimensions?

This post has been edited by FallenHero: May 1, 2005 - 11:05 PM

[Kwanza26]

The spacing between the B series manifold and 4AG/7AF heads will match up. The only issue is swapping flanges, and possibly doing something about the runners. The 4AG/7AF heads use round runners while the B series have oval runners. I can post pictures if needed... but the runners do line up enough to work.

[FallenHero]

The spacing between the B series manifold and 4AG/7AF heads will match up.  The only issue is swapping flanges, and possibly doing something about the runners.  The 4AG/7AF heads use round runners while the B series have oval runners.  I can post pictures if needed... but the runners do line up enough to work.
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you could have responded to my 4ag exhaust valve question.

[Kwanza26]

The spacing between the B series manifold and 4AG/7AF heads will match up.  The only issue is swapping flanges, and possibly doing something about the runners.  The 4AG/7AF heads use round runners while the B series have oval runners.  I can post pictures if needed... but the runners do line up enough to work.
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you could have responded to my 4ag exhaust valve question.
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Well... your question only asks for opinion. I don't like to state my opinion too much in fear people might take it literally.. ;]

IMO... exhaust isn't an area I would worry too much about. Intake perhaps... but exhaust, not really. I personally would try not to play with valves untill your engine reaches flat spots in the powerband, which relates to engine breathing. That could be quite a ways away with boost...

[nik]

on my manifold i had 2 options leave the oval part from the honda manifold or cut it off where it goes round and make little extensions off the 4ag flange.

[playr158]

i'm guessing cut it at round
and branch from the 4a/7a flange

[nik]

i'm guessing cut it at round
and branch from the 4a/7a flange
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yep

[nik]

update 5/2/05

ordered ACT 6 puck clutch today
droped off my crower cams 272 intake and 272 exhaust
need to get another ASP 18% Underdrive Crank Pulley

trying to sell my
AE101 harness and ecu + the greddy Profec E-01 and E-manager
so i can buy an SDS system

and the RODS should be in thrusday

[FallenHero]

I am using your thread nik.

So what is the biggest bore you guys have heard of on a 7afe. I've seen 82mm, but I wonder if you could take on to 83, or 84mm... in the grand scheme of things, that isn't much of a difference, but i wanted you guys' input.

[nik]

I am using your thread nik.

So what is the biggest bore you guys have heard of on a 7afe.  I've seen 82mm, but I wonder if you could take on to 83, or 84mm... in the grand scheme of things, that isn't much of a difference, but i wanted you guys' input.
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yeah edo's 82mm is as big of a bore that i've heard of. I read a post over on club4ag about bore size + rev limit and some other stuff

but anyways they were saying to take advantage of the bigger bore you would need higher rev i'll have to find the link it had some good info

here it is

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montj
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11 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 00:40:38
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ive seen 1mm-.5mm oversized pistons available.

is it for getting your cylinders bored to match the pistons? for a better seal


wolfman
Club4AG - Freshman



15 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 02:38:42
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could be a lot of reasons. I'm in no way an expert, so someone else may correct me (or just a difference in oppinion). If you are trying to bump up power. Don't know if .5 mm will make that much a difference. If you're rebuilding and your cylinders are warped. Maybee like you said to get a better piston seal, which you're probably running bigger pistons in search of more power. hope this helped a little bit.


oldeskewltoy
Club4AG - The 24/7 Club


USA
4558 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 06:14:52
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there can be two reasons for an overbore, 1) the cylinders are damaged and need to be overbored to acquire a clean honeable surface, 2) you are looking for more power and a overbore will increase displacement


Red
Club4AG - Lifetime Enthusiast



1365 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 08:36:10
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And sometimes a third reason, if the cylinders are simply worn from old age. Maybe that counts as "damage"?

Original Owner, 85GTS 3-door 5speed. Will swap even for a Ford GT40 or GT44, or a Cadillac-Gage V100. (Which is nothing like a Cadillac.)

oldeskewltoy
Club4AG - The 24/7 Club


USA
4558 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 14:29:34
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And sometimes a third reason, if the cylinders are simply worn from old age. Maybe that counts as "damage"?





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Thats why I was as vague as I was... damage to cylinder walls encompasses wear, or damage....


DWLowe13
Club4AG - Addict


USA
297 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 16:54:55
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Most of the time when I rebuild an engine, I overboar to get rid of imperfections in the cylinder wall.

In small blocks like the 4AGE, .5mm and 1mm is a very big differance. You do not want much more. Due to the thining of your cylinder walls. If you go over to much the walls become weak.

I do know of one shop on the east coast, Wayne and Earl Edge of Edge Bros Machine Shop in Jacksonville NC, that will over boar engines by 2mm-3mm. But they also install sleeves into the cylinder walls that reinforce the block.

Overboaring is a way to increase HP. But the risk is you make your block that much weaker and easier to crack under stress...

" If You Fail To Plan
You Plan To FAil "
DWLowe13

DWLowe13
Club4AG - Addict


USA
297 Posts Posted - 04/29/2005 : 17:01:16
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Here is some more info about Boring and sleeves, from the circle track world..

Seeking The Right Bore Jenckes found a possible advantage of using sleeves: They come with bigger bores. "Today, people find that particular bore and stroke combinations are very effective," he adds. "Typically, people are running bigger bores and they find that, no matter what the application, a bigger bore may be helpful. I'd certainly say that's the trend in Nextel Cup. Obviously, if you want to make a block last a long time, you can't go to the big bore size immediately. You'll get one rebuild, and then it's junk and you've just spent all this time building this nice block. A sleeve can allow you to go to your optimal bore size. When you have problems, just replace the sleeves.





Boring for cam bearings is a precision step in which modern engine builders rely on high-cost machinery. When building an engine, there's plenty of emphasis on the operator as well as the machine.

"Some teams in Nextel Cup use sleeves, and some don't. In Nextel Cup, the well is deep money wise, but it's not endless. Consider that you can use a smaller number of pistons and crankshafts, and that means less money tied up in crank and piston inventory. Some teams might approach it from that standpoint."

Power From Bore Center Bigger bores have proven to have better results in most cases. "A larger centerline is preferable because it allows you to have a bigger bore," says Jenckes. "A Ford block has an inherent handicap compared to a Chevrolet or the current Dodge because of the smaller centerline. Having more metal there, other than a weight handicap, means it's more stable and it can allow you to run a bigger bore.

"Most racing has some kind of displacement rule. As long as there's not a bore size rule, you're probably better off running a bigger bore, shorter stroke if engine speed is not limited. If you are limited in engine speed for some reason, say an rpm limit, then always going with a bigger bore may not be the way to go, depending on how low the speed is. At higher shaft speeds, bigger bore engines help the cylinder heads work better. In Nextel Cup, 4.185-inch is the biggest bore size you can have. Even if you have 5 inches between bore centers, it doesn't help you other than the fact you've got more metal there to be stable. Then you have to worry about the weight. The trend has been to bigger bore cylinders. GM is working on a new, next generation Nextel Cup engine with a bigger bore center.


" If You Fail To Plan
You Plan To FAil "
DWLowe13

montj
Club4AG - Freshman


USA
11 Posts Posted - 04/30/2005 : 01:48:17
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nice. Clears that up for me, thanks.


DWLowe13
Club4AG - Addict


USA
297 Posts Posted - 05/02/2005 : 15:43:39
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No Problem..

" If You Fail To Plan
You Plan To FAil "
DWLowe13

othick
Club4AG - Addict


USA
680 Posts Posted - 05/04/2005 : 01:56:23
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1mm overbore in a 4ag = approx 40cc's more displacement. A 1627cc 4ag will make about 2.5% more hp/tq than a standard 1587cc 4ag. Closed deck iron blocks can usually handle this no problem. The later 7rib 4ag's are bored out 2mm quite frequently.

85 gts coupe 105whp
91 civic si sohc vtec
http://www.whyturbothat.com for pics and dyno's of my old cars
- turbo del sol, turbo mr2, turbo ae86, 6cyl. 77 celica, 88 Mr2 SC





This post has been edited by nik: May 4, 2005 - 12:37 PM

[Kwanza26]

I believe the largest bore you can get before serious issues arise is around 83mm... and no more. The reason being, the blocks solid design, which you can't resleeve bigger nor can you overbore too much because it'll cause the cylinder walls/waterjackets, etc, to get really thin...

[playr158]

i was considering an 83mm bore on my 7afte when i go into that project
but i think with 12psi that would be cutting the walls too thin...........i think an 82mm would be sufficient w/o sleeving

[nik]

update

last night at 12:34am
I won a Stand Alone engine Managment system

its an EM-3 4F from SDS

and today hopefully the wiring harness and ecu will sell along with my piggy back system

[nik]

update

piggy back came yesterday i just need to send it in to get rewired and a few extra parts

on the engine side should get the under drive pulley this week then i can got the routing assembly balanced

so everthing should be done or close to done in about 2 weeks then i'll drop the car off cause i dont have the time to drop the motor in and wire it up

so probably a month from now or so i'll be driving the beast around

[nik]

update a little break down

-7agte engine whp= torque=
- 4agze big port head $80
- stage 2 port and polish $700
- ferrea valves with titanium springs and retainers $400
-4agze oem piston (8.0;1) 82mm ceramic coat and fpr coated $200
-Puater custom 4340 chromoly rods 20 mm pins $700
-Innovation turbo sh 50 450hp capable $800
-B series honda manifold cut and 4ag welded flange $350
-38mm wastegate $100
-Greddy RS bov $170
-greddy Profec B boost controller $240
-custom Team 66 = 2.5" intercooler piping $130
-custom 3" downpipe and exhaust all mandrel bends $175
-custom exhaust 3" mandrel full from dp $N/A
-Johnnyracecar 32x8x3 intercooler $220
-ngk 4agze spark plug $20
-nology wires $150
-greddy oil catch tank $50
-SDS standalone engine management $1000
-hks cam gears both $200
-Crower camshafts (272 in. , 272 ex.) $175
-HKS head gasket $ 55
-arp head bolt $140
-fully balanced rods, pistons, crank , flywheel, underdrive pulley $100
-oem flywheel $40
-ACT 6 puck clutch $438
-550cc injectors $N/A
-walbro 255 lph intank fuel pump $90

and about $1000 in labor
this is not the full list just most of it
today im going down to get some updated pics that i'll post a few maybe

[doGGy]

Nik, did you got back the stock rods?

[nik]

updates and pic you guys were waiting for

[playr158]

nice nice nice

and which honda manifold is that?

[nik]

nice nice nice

and which honda manifold is that?
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its the b-series manifold

[playr158]

i know a b-series
but which one

there are many different b-series turbo manis
like brand?

[nik]

i know a b-series
but which one

there are many different b-series turbo manis
like brand?
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there are quite a few companies making this style manifold

REVHARD, and few others ebay has some

[nik]

UPDATE 05/25/05

ordered springs and titanium retainers cost $ 400

intercooler came in yesterday

this weekend going to start welding up the intercooler piping then take it down and have it power coated along with some other stuff

[nik]

I would kind of like to see a write up on how hard it was to get that honda b series mani to line up. That would REALLY open up our options a bit.
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well the b-series manifold has an oval exhaust ports and the 7afe and 4age have round so you just and to go in an inch and half and cut where the piping returns to circle then palce the flange on the motor and line up the openings tack weld a few spots on each pipe pull it off and weld them up then check for leaks.

yea cause i'm 99% goin to use that honda b-series manifold
but with an external wastegate
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My manifold is set up for external waste gate take a closer look
in this first pic the untouched manifold you can see the wastegate mounting point on the right side
BEFORE

AFTER

how much hp r u expecting from all this in the end?
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350 whp or more

This post has been edited by nik: May 25, 2005 - 2:04 PM

[playr158]

yea i noticed that you took it out

[nik]

yea i noticed that you took it out
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no the external waste gate flange is still there?? or are you talking about the inch that got cut from the original manifold?

[Kwanza26]

That's a nice looking manifold. Hope it doesn't affect the distributor placement (assuming you use a dizzy...) Hurry up and get that sh!t together nik... ;]

[nik]

That's a nice looking manifold.  Hope it doesn't affect the distributor placement (assuming you use a dizzy...)  Hurry up and get that sh!t together nik... ;]
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nope i went SDS 4-F well 3-F with upgrades
I'm just machining a plate to go over the stock dizzy place

[playr158]

i was noting the inch that got cut out

[Kwanza26]

That's a nice looking manifold.  Hope it doesn't affect the distributor placement (assuming you use a dizzy...)  Hurry up and get that sh!t together nik... ;]
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nope i went SDS 4-F well 3-F with upgrades
I'm just machining a plate to go over the stock dizzy place
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Sweet! Don't need to machine a plate though nik. ;]
90339-36001
That part number is for a plug that covers the dizzy hole on the 97+ Toyota Camrys. It'll work fine for the 16V head also... ;] Go to Toyota and order it. Should be something like 5-10 dollars... I used one for my 20V dizzy blockoff...


This post has been edited by Kwanza26: May 25, 2005 - 4:17 PM

[nik]

That's a nice looking manifold.  Hope it doesn't affect the distributor placement (assuming you use a dizzy...)  Hurry up and get that sh!t together nik... ;]
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nope i went SDS 4-F well 3-F with upgrades
I'm just machining a plate to go over the stock dizzy place
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Sweet! Don't need to machine a plate though nik. ;]
90339-36001
That part number is for a plug that covers the dizzy hole on the 97+ Toyota Camrys. It'll work fine for the 16V head also... ;] Go to Toyota and order it. Should be something like 5-10 dollars... I used one for my 20V dizzy blockoff...

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thanks BEE for the info and i'll try and hurry up and finish this but i want to do it right so it might take a little time but nothing too bad assembly starts in T- 7 days (just waiting on valve springs)

[nik]

he he

here somemore pics the puater custom rods they just got back from balancing and as of 1:30 PST the bottom end is starting to go together
and a stock rod for reference doggy pm me

[frotou]

Love the rods, I need them !!!!! Do you have a part number from pauter ? Can't waiting to see the numbers of this engine !

Claude

[doGGy]

Nik - i love you

[FallenHero]

I am told that oil squirters are great on some of the 4ag blocks. any way to outfit the 7a with them?

Nice rods... I got one of my own while looking at the pics.

[Kwanza26]

Them's is some nice lookin rods... ;]

[FallenHero]

sowa.. ignition wise, I am ignorant. What is the advantage of running distributorless?

[doGGy]

Acurancy.

Less resistance in wires and lots of other advantages.......

sowa.. ignition wise, I am ignorant.  What is the advantage of running distributorless?
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[FallenHero]

So I have seen the megasquirt guys using the dual coil set up with the EDIS. I've also seen one blacktop guy run four individual coils. That would be nice, I am sure, but how much equipment would be needed?

>heads to club 4ag for tech info

This post has been edited by FallenHero: May 29, 2005 - 6:34 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

Nik, have you tried lining the B series manifold up the an FE head? I know the GE and FE heads are a little different, will what you did with the manifold work on the FE heads as well?

By the way I have a silvertop here that's going into an AE92 and will be running megasquirt with EDIS ignition, if you guys are interested I'll keep you updated as the project starts.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: May 29, 2005 - 10:47 PM

[FallenHero]

he purchased a 4age header flange and welded it in place of the B-seriese header flange. You could easily do the same with a f series header flange.


Have you guys seen this?

http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=106907

This post has been edited by FallenHero: May 29, 2005 - 11:16 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

he purchased a 4age header flange and welded it in place of the B-seriese header flange.  You could easily do the same with a f series header flange.


Have you guys seen this?

http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=106907
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Yes but is the spacing of the ports pretty much the same?

That's a NICE setup!

[nik]

sorry guys right after i posted those rod pics i left for a little vaction but im back now

So I have seen the megasquirt guys using the dual coil set up with the EDIS.  I've also seen one blacktop guy run four individual coils.  That would be nice, I am sure, but how much equipment would be needed?

>heads to club 4ag for tech info
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Yeah with the SDS system i'm running 4 coils

Nik, have you tried lining the B series manifold up the an FE head? I know the GE and FE heads are a little different, will what you did with the manifold work on the FE heads as well?

By the way I have a silvertop here that's going into an AE92 and will be running megasquirt with EDIS ignition, if you guys are interested I'll keep you updated as the project starts.

-Doc
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i dont know it should be work i bought the manifold and flange and lined them up it was 98% there so cut off the oval section and weld and bam new header

NIK WHERE ARE YA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU GOT PM!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I PM YOU BACK!!!!!!

[FallenHero]

yo, post up the specs on the size of those rods!

[nik]

yo, post up the specs on the size of those rods!
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i'll try my best to get both the stock and puater specs up

[Kwanza26]

One thing I should ask. Is that a 7AFE head gasket or 4AG? It looks a bit different, cause usually 4AG head gaskets have openings for the two large coolant passages on the back of the block. Just curious...

[nik]

One thing I should ask.  Is that a 7AFE head gasket or 4AG?  It looks a bit different, cause usually 4AG head gaskets have openings for the two large coolant passages on the back of the block.  Just curious...
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its the 7afe gasket

[Kwanza26]

One thing I should ask.  Is that a 7AFE head gasket or 4AG?  It looks a bit different, cause usually 4AG head gaskets have openings for the two large coolant passages on the back of the block.  Just curious...
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its the 7afe gasket
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I would then suggest you get a 4AG gasket instead. The reason those coolant ports are blocked off on the 7AFE is because the 7AFE flows water differently than the 4AG...

[nik]

the coolent ports at the bottom of this pick


the gasket


This post has been edited by nik: Jun 1, 2005 - 10:57 AM

[nik]

yeah springs and retainers are in the top end is going together and soon will be mated to the bottom once its all done i'll take a picture and post it

[Kwanza26]

I say you should get a 4AG headgasket, to avoid hot spots in the head. Like I said before, the reason the gaskets are different, is because the 16V head flows water differently than the 4/7AFE/20V. The gaskets will all fit, more or less, but the way the coolant flows is the big difference. You'll notice right away when you put the head on the block that you'll probably need to do something about the water inlet/outlet. The 4/7AFE/20V has both inlet/outlet on the back of the head, while the 4AG typically has one by the water pump, and one in the back of the head. Get what I'm saying?

[Mike431635]

That's a good point. I think you might want to look into that a bit farther. My 4AFE hg was flipped upside-down (thanks a ton to my dad who put the gasket on when I wasn't looking in the first place) and even though the holes matched up, they still didn't match up 100% perfect. This caused a massive oil leak and took a ton of work to fix with the motor in the car.

[nik]

I say you should get a 4AG headgasket, to avoid hot spots in the head.  Like I said before, the reason the gaskets are different, is because the 16V head flows water differently than the 4/7AFE/20V.  The gaskets will all fit, more or less, but the way the coolant flows is the big difference.  You'll notice right away when you put the head on the block that you'll probably need to do something about the water inlet/outlet.  The 4/7AFE/20V has both inlet/outlet on the back of the head, while the 4AG typically has one by the water pump, and one in the back of the head.  Get what I'm saying?
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hey bee they have both gaskets there the 4ag and the 7af they just want to see the diff but were going with the 4ag

That's a good point. I think you might want to look into that a bit farther. My 4AFE hg was flipped upside-down (thanks a ton to my dad who put the gasket on when I wasn't looking in the first place) and even though the holes matched up, they still didn't match up 100% perfect. This caused a massive oil leak and took a ton of work to fix with the motor in the car.
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who are you?

[Dr_Tweak]

Yes but Nik, did you try lining it up with the 7AFE flange? I understand it lines up pretty well to the 4AGE flange, but what about the 7AFE?

-Doc

[Kwanza26]

Yes but Nik, did you try lining it up with the 7AFE flange? I understand it lines up pretty well to the 4AGE flange, but what about the 7AFE?

-Doc
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7AFE and 4AGE ports are nearly identical. It should work the same (B series manifold mod)...

[nik]

Yes but Nik, did you try lining it up with the 7AFE flange? I understand it lines up pretty well to the 4AGE flange, but what about the 7AFE?

-Doc
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i never lined up the 7af flange just the 4ag if lines up with the 4ag then you should be fine mating the 7afe falnge with that manifold minus a little cutting

[nik]

these are about 2 weeks old









the cam shaft covers will be painted to match the car










This post has been edited by nik: Jul 21, 2005 - 9:42 AM

[FallenHero]

man, is that your garage or the shop? There are parts everywhere...

Looks like my basement.

[nik]

man, is that your garage or the shop?  There are parts everywhere...

Looks like my basement.
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thats the back room of the shop i wish that was my basement well it looks like my garage

[nik]

updated pic will be up this weekend of the car and motor and some extra goodies

[nik]

Bump for pics... i wanna see completed pics....
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i have a few pics like 2 or 3 of them rippen the old motor out but none of the motor in the car there still working on the wiring for the sds and both stock motor and new one are sitting out so they and check the tranny out and install it on the new motor etc

waiting on a few parts like radiator and some other stuff should be in this week or early next week

[nik]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... well at least it's done right??.... get pics up asap... maybe vids too! 
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nope not done new motor is in but have to change the lower part of the turbo manifold the snail part of the turbo is fitting the motor rigth where you put the filter

then they have to wire in the sds and some extra goodies one of the owners sold me a digi 7 and 2 boxs the tech guys will know what im taking about pretty much help for lanching

still have to buy a koyo rad

i need an lsd but dont know what to do

probably still 3-4 weeks out to finish

changed from steel pipe to alum 2.5 on one side and 2.75 on the other

trying to decide if i need to up the whole fuel system again IE lines external pump filter etc

right now stock lines aeromotive fuel filter ,FPR, and Walbro 255 lph pump

This post has been edited by nik: Sep 12, 2005 - 3:19 PM

[FallenHero]

if the 255 is good enough for a supra, it's good enough for a high power celica.

[nik]

if the 255 is good enough for a supra, it's good enough for a high power celica.
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walbro have that wine to them i wanted to go external with a box around the pump to quite the noise pretty much get a hole aeromotive fuel set up probably around 1000-1500 with everything lines fittings pump filter etc an its good up to 800 horse not saying i'll see that or anything but down the road add some race gas bigger turbo and slick and see what happens

[Coomer]

Sick project Nik! I can't wait to see this when it's done!

[presure2]

walbro have that wine to them i wanted to go external with a box around the pump to quite the noise pretty much

actually nik, from what ive read, if you get an install kit for the walboro that has the foam like "sleeve" that slips over the pump, its supossed to quiet it dramaticly.
IMO the noise from the walboro isnt that loud at all, especially once your actually DRIVING the car. sure, if the car is dead silent, and your sitting at idle, and the car is low on fuel, and its a super hot day, its definetly louder than stock, but its not like its SCREEEEEMMMING loud...lol

[nik]

walbro have that wine to them i wanted to go external with a box around the pump to quite the noise pretty much

actually nik, from what ive read, if you get an install kit for the walboro that has the foam like "sleeve" that slips over the pump, its supossed to quiet it dramaticly.
IMO the noise from the walboro isnt that loud at all, especially once your actually DRIVING the car. sure, if the car is dead silent, and your sitting at idle, and the car is low on fuel, and its a super hot day, its definetly louder than stock, but its not like its SCREEEEEMMMING loud...lol
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thanks for the info its just my pet peve things that make noise on the inside of the car

[presure2]

thanks for the info its just my pet peve things that make noise on the inside of the car

np man, just so you know, if you want it to be SILENT aka stock, just get a supra turbo pump from the dealer, thats what art did and he loves it.

[nik]

thanks for the info its just my pet peve things that make noise on the inside of the car

np man, just so you know, if you want it to be SILENT aka stock, just get a supra turbo pump from the dealer, thats what art did and he loves it.
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yea i found out about that after i got my walbro

[nik]

nothing to report porject still going just slowed down because of the car being broken into but it now is perminitly on a lift inside the shop total cost for one weekend setting outside 7200 in gauges stero stuff nitrous kit etc big list i have to go down today and tomorrow and get more pics of the car inside total thrashed its a sad day

[presure2]

nik, that seriously sucks big time man.
hope you can recoupe that $$ that you lost.
once you get this finished, we'll go thru, clean it up abit and get it into the stickys for sure.
good luck man.