Dangers of street racing.., reasons why.. Options

[pr_caralho]

My brother in laws brother has a beutiful 4th geneation Honda prelude with some performance mods on it and a h22 vtech with 200hp so on and so forth..... His friends (one with an srt-4 and a volkswagon golf gti) decided it would be cool to race each other, so they go for it. The prelude downshifts and he gives them a blast. He hits 130kms and starts to fishtail. He ends up spinning and eventually hits a sidewalk and starts to flip over. After the flips he slides upside down like 80 ft, his car at this point was damged from top to bottom. He's fine, luckily he was wearing his seatbelt otherwise he would've snapped his neck.... Goes to show you why these kids think they're Micheal Schumacher and its the reason why our insurance is screwing us in the ass continuously like theyre running out of lube......

[princemb]

How years old have him?

[pr_caralho]

How years old have him?
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hes 19, and doesnt know what he's playin with

[Akimbo]

Brian Earl Spilner

he's lucky there wasn't a pregnant woman on the sidewalk or a box full of free kittens

[pr_caralho]

Brian Earl Spilner

he's lucky there wasn't a pregnant woman on the sidewalk or a box full of free kittens
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that would suck man.... right now he's thinking of getting a mitsu 3000gt vr-4 or a audi s4..... I dont think he learned his lesson...

[Akimbo]

S4 S4 S4

[pr_caralho]

S4 S4 S4
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Seriously even if he does get an s4 I'd steal it off him, 350 hp? thats nice

[princemb]

right now he's thinking of getting a mitsu 3000gt vr-4 or a audi s4..... I dont think he learned his lesson...

damm!!! he doesn´t learned his lesson man!!

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Hey, you've got to get back on the horse. Just because he's street racing that doesn't mean he's doing it dangerously. Seriously, is he racing in the midle of the day in heavy traffic, or at night with no one esle on the road? If he's doing it on an abandond road with propper safety precausions, who really cares? I don't race as much as I use to, but I use to all the time. If you do it safely and have propper look outs, go for it.

Idiots trying to pull that fast and furious crap in and out of traffic need to be shot before they hurt someone inoccent.

[pr_caralho]

On the contrary, its because of these street racers we have high rates on our car insurance, and who the hell street races in the winter? not me thats for sure.....

[pr_caralho]

Hey, you've got to get back on the horse.  Just because he's street racing that doesn't mean he's doing it dangerously.  Seriously, is he racing in the midle of the day in heavy traffic, or at night with no one esle on the road?  If he's doing it on an abandond road with propper safety precausions, who really cares?  I don't race as much as I use to, but I use to all the time.  If you do it safely and have propper look outs, go for it. 

Idiots trying to pull that fast and furious crap in and out of traffic need to be shot before they hurt someone inoccent.
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Bigmeanbulldog you make a point about saftey percautions, but im bashes those who dont.... and that like 88% of them

[junhus69]

You have to know the limitations of your car. If you dont youll end up in a sutuation that you dont want to be in. And if you guys really wanna race take it to a abandoned lot, or to a track. You will kill someone doin it in the street or in a side street.

[Watanbe88]

The best way to race is on a track and guess what it aint that expensive, you can AutoX w/ the SCCA for $25 for 3 runs, not bad and very challenging. That is what I do, tho I can't say I don't fool around on the road, but I don't act stupid on the road.

[mikew04]

He's 19? How the heck can he afford an S4??

[pr_caralho]

He's 19? How the heck can he afford an S4??
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He works as a carpenter with some other guys, so he makes quite a bit.

[SlowCelica94]

Hey, you've got to get back on the horse.  Just because he's street racing that doesn't mean he's doing it dangerously.  Seriously, is he racing in the midle of the day in heavy traffic, or at night with no one esle on the road?  If he's doing it on an abandond road with propper safety precausions, who really cares?  I don't race as much as I use to, but I use to all the time.  If you do it safely and have propper look outs, go for it. 

Idiots trying to pull that fast and furious crap in and out of traffic need to be shot before they hurt someone inoccent.
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Obviously, he's not racing safely. He just wrecked a car, badly. Let's look at how safe racing on public streets are:
Well first off, anyone can pull out, cops like to hide, crackheads run around, and if you're in a residental area, you're pissing off everyone with ricey exhuast. As far as racing conditions go, public road care is not always the best. You could easily hit a pothole while racing or some of rough area where they repave.

How do you know no one else will be on the road? Sure you can go half a mile down and see and go back. Could be clear. Someone could pull onto that road. In a rural area maybe? Animals. If you haven't noticed, Celicas are Deer's natural born enemy. I swear, so many celicas loss their lives to deer, it should be the new reason we hunt them.

I'd like to hear what the street racing "proper precautions" are. "looks clear rice-boy, gun it!" You guys check the road, the area, block off a street? Ya know, you can just wait until the track opens. Works pretty well for me. And I get these neato things called time slips to prove how slow my car is.

This isn't one of my big "you-suck-die-" posts. You guys gotta stop street racing. It's dangerous and since the spring time is coming, everyone's antsy to race. Well every board I'm on, all I hear about is kid's dieing. If you think I'm pulling it outta my butt, I'll post links. Man, just think about how your mom would take that if you died or your girlfriend. Jesus, everyday I miss my bestfriend who died street racing....sometimes it just isn't worth it. So please, use careful judgement.

[ghostdog]

Obviously, he's not racing safely. He just wrecked a car, badly. Let's look at how safe racing on public streets are:
Well first off, anyone can pull out, cops like to hide, crackheads run around, and if you're in a residental area, you're pissing off everyone with ricey exhuast. As far as racing conditions go, public road care is not always the best. You could easily hit a pothole while racing or some of rough area where they repave.

How do you know no one else will be on the road? Sure you can go half a mile down and see and go back. Could be clear. Someone could pull onto that road. In a rural area maybe? Animals. If you haven't noticed, Celicas are Deer's natural born enemy. I swear, so many celicas loss their lives to deer, it should be the new reason we hunt them.

I'd like to hear what the street racing "proper precautions" are. "looks clear rice-boy, gun it!" You guys check the road, the area, block off a street? Ya know, you can just wait until the track opens. Works pretty well for me. And I get these neato things called time slips to prove how slow my car is.

This isn't one of my big "you-suck-die-" posts. You guys gotta stop street racing. It's dangerous and since the spring time is coming, everyone's antsy to race. Well every board I'm on, all I hear about is kid's dieing. If you think I'm pulling it outta my butt, I'll post links. Man, just think about how your mom would take that if you died or your girlfriend. Jesus, everyday I miss my bestfriend who died street racing....sometimes it just isn't worth it. So please, use careful judgement.
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good post man. I agree 100%

[thedevilmaycrie]

can someone please tell me how you "fish tail" in a fwd car when you downshift?

-DMC

[SlowCelica94]

can someone please tell me how you "fish tail" in a fwd car when you downshift? 

-DMC
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Obviously, his wing isn't big enough. The man needs more downforce.

[qban537]

Obviously, he's not racing safely. He just wrecked a car, badly. Let's look at how safe racing on public streets are:
Well first off, anyone can pull out, cops like to hide, crackheads run around, and if you're in a residental area, you're pissing off everyone with ricey exhuast. As far as racing conditions go, public road care is not always the best. You could easily hit a pothole while racing or some of rough area where they repave.

How do you know no one else will be on the road? Sure you can go half a mile down and see and go back. Could be clear. Someone could pull onto that road. In a rural area maybe? Animals. If you haven't noticed, Celicas are Deer's natural born enemy. I swear, so many celicas loss their lives to deer, it should be the new reason we hunt them.

I'd like to hear what the street racing "proper precautions" are. "looks clear rice-boy, gun it!" You guys check the road, the area, block off a street? Ya know, you can just wait until the track opens. Works pretty well for me. And I get these neato things called time slips to prove how slow my car is.

This isn't one of my big "you-suck-die-" posts. You guys gotta stop street racing. It's dangerous and since the spring time is coming, everyone's antsy to race. Well every board I'm on, all I hear about is kid's dieing. If you think I'm pulling it outta my butt, I'll post links. Man, just think about how your mom would take that if you died or your girlfriend. Jesus, everyday I miss my bestfriend who died street racing....sometimes it just isn't worth it. So please, use careful judgement.
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good post man. I agree 100%
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very well said! good post!

[thedevilmaycrie]

... see i agree with this post... kinda...
1) hell i know im guilty of throttleing it on the road... hell i had a 3s , however the safety of others will always come into effect... if i on the road and i open her up on occasion if i was gonna leave him behind i wouldnt bother... i know what i can do... or if for some reason i didnt feel safe, i have no problem stopping... granted i know that you cant make it completely safe... but there are things you can do to make it safer... for yourself and others.... for example dont let your pride get the best of you, only do it on a place that you know VERY well, if you HAVE to do it then do it at a time that there arent people on the road, and please if you can leave it for the track... im not saying this to support it but as we all know its not gonna stop... there will always be streetracing... so if this is you please take what i have said to heart .... for your life and the ones around you...

-DMC

[Akimbo]

It's Toretto Brian, it always has been!

[pr_caralho]

can someone please tell me how you "fish tail" in a fwd car when you downshift? 

-DMC
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he lost control due to the salt that was on the floor...

[nObOdy]

I would argue against our insurance rates being so high because of street racers..
Its the damned unattentive people on the road in their big ass 6,000 pound SUV's and trucks. I agree - Racing in the middle of a busy street, weaving in and out of traffic iststupid - and yes ive done it - call me stupid =)
BUT
if you and a buddy want to race - going to find an empty road that you can see for 2 and 1/2 miles with no turn ons or off - whats the harm? Besides the cops of course...
Street racing on a whole is generally UNSAFE - but Given the proper situation - saftey precautions - and knowledge - it can be done very safely and undercontrol..

[pr_caralho]

I would argue against our insurance rates being so high because of street racers..
Its the damned unattentive people on the road in their big ass 6,000 pound SUV's and trucks. I agree - Racing in the middle of a busy street, weaving in and out of traffic iststupid - and yes ive done it - call me stupid =)
BUT
if you and a buddy want to race - going to find an empty road that you can see for 2 and 1/2 miles with no turn ons or off - whats the harm? Besides the cops of course...
Street racing on a whole is generally UNSAFE - but Given the proper situation - saftey precautions - and knowledge - it can be done very safely and undercontrol..
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Who do you think gets most of the wreckless driving tickets? I agree with you, I raced a couple of times and I used percautions, but what you fail to understand is that 88 or so percent of these immature drivers street race and what they fail to acknowledge is that a pregneant women or a child or anybody for that matter could get in the way of there race and get killed. Also they can get killed, Here in toronto an immature guy was speeding down a 40km street and going almost 200 with a civic, he crashed and his girlfriends head was ripped right out of her shoulders, now just imagine bieng the father of that girl, and hearing your daughter was killed due to illegal street racing.

I know its fun to race, and i do it, heck i race cars sometimes that are alot more powerful then mine, but there are some punks out there that fail to understand that sometimes it can be dangerous to race, and dont take saftey percautions b4 you do so, and that the majority. This guy is a close friend and he almost got killed, so dont blame me if im bieng a little angry.

[nObOdy]

Where are you getting your facts from? 88 percent??
I was talking about actual wrecks - not wreckless tickets..
And as i stated in my earlier post i agree with you it can be dangerous - i was pushing that if you do it correctly it minimizes the risks drastically Then again - i live in montana... so its different here - we can find a road where no one is on nor will they be for about an hour - some roads are used that infrequently..
your friend was being a moron. 200mhps is insane speeds and i would not do them even on the streets i described to you - its too fast. road imbalances among other things would make it crazy dangerous.. but going 85 isnt going to kill anyone if your in the right area - and man, dont worry about being mad - **** id be mad as well almost lost your close friend - he killed his girl thats just stupid.
anyhow.. i hope everything with him turns out...
nObOdy

[prompt]

1) Was it with snow? If so hes completely stupid.

2) VR-4 > s4 ...hands down. In the 1/4 mile. In handling. And in modding potential. For some reason DSM's vaccum mods.

[Rjb23]

Where are you getting your facts from? 88 percent??
I was talking about actual wrecks - not wreckless tickets..
And as i stated in my earlier post i agree with you it can be dangerous - i was pushing that if you do it correctly it minimizes the risks drastically Then again - i live in montana... so its different here - we can find a road where no one is on nor will they be for about an hour - some roads are used that infrequently..
your friend was being a moron. 200mhps is insane speeds and i would not do them even on the streets i described to you - its too fast. road imbalances among other things would make it crazy dangerous.. but going 85 isnt going to kill anyone if your in the right area - and man, dont worry about being mad - **** id be mad as well almost lost your close friend - he killed his girl thats just stupid.
anyhow.. i hope everything with him turns out...
nObOdy
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He said 200 kmph not mph, I'd like to see a civic that does 200 mph.

In europe people drive on the audobahn at any speed they want. I know I drove on it before, I did 200+ kmph its not a big deal. Cars there the suspension is different than our cars, and can handle those speeds easily.

[Exile04]

all u guys are think that people that street race do it by themselves or atleast thats what it sounds liek to me. i go down to the local races on the weekends in seattle and all i know is that no car or person has every been standing in the middle of the road or driving when we race...i dont personally race cuz my car is slow...but i know we always have someone at the end of the track and the start of the track with walkie-talkies, also none of our track are even close to a main road except for every now and then we get semi-trucks coming thur. for the most part everone down there is parked on the other side of side walks and grass hills things like that, we are barley ever parked on the road when racing unless its behind the start. its fun and it helps me meet new people. also the roads we race on ar ehte same every week i can explain each one to u in depth if u asked. everyone knows there are no bumps

the whole thing about going to the track is it cost money 25 bucks a run might not seem alot to u but it is to me, also regulations dont let half the cars in to race, and it dose give the same feeling like street racing does.

Yes ill admit its not the safest thing to do but nether is driving in general, speeding also. You know not everything is safe in this world no matter how hard the soccer moms of the world try its never going to be. i could die walking down the street are u telling me not to. when i ue to go to the club my dad would say "why? all u are doing is asking for trouble, havent u heard of people dying there and this and that happing" yes i have but its fun and its a change from my extremly boring life. from schoo lto work to home is my life once a week i do something different and it keeps me sane.

im proable going ot get bashed for all this but oh well i said my peice

This post has been edited by Exile04: Mar 1, 2005 - 9:53 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

If I had a track near by that cost $25 to run, I'd do it every singal weekend. The problem with street racing is that most of the poeple doing it are retards, and they get hurt doing stupid stuff. I hardly ever race over 80, and never race over 100mph. There's no point, it's a quarter mile. Don't anyone try to tell me that a Celica GT can do better than a 100mph in a quarter. If your going to turn, do in on a track. I never try to autocross on the roads. You always do have to watch the other guy, even when he's yoru friend. I've never had an accident, but I've been racing things (motorcycles, go-carts, fourwheelers, now cars) sence the begining of my life. I'll never slow down till I'm died. And I hope I die in my car, that would be the best place.

[boosted_K2]

http://www.scca.com/Inside/Index.asp?IdS=0...egionalSites&~=

click that and find the closest location, Autocross will be your new best friend.

but ya... i hit the a'pex's in my lane through corners.... damn street racers

[pr_caralho]

Where are you getting your facts from? 88 percent??
I was talking about actual wrecks - not wreckless tickets..
And as i stated in my earlier post i agree with you it can be dangerous - i was pushing that if you do it correctly it minimizes the risks drastically Then again - i live in montana... so its different here - we can find a road where no one is on nor will they be for about an hour - some roads are used that infrequently..
your friend was being a moron. 200mhps is insane speeds and i would not do them even on the streets i described to you - its too fast. road imbalances among other things would make it crazy dangerous.. but going 85 isnt going to kill anyone if your in the right area - and man, dont worry about being mad - **** id be mad as well almost lost your close friend - he killed his girl thats just stupid.
anyhow.. i hope everything with him turns out...
nObOdy
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I never said the 88% was a fact.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

http://www.scca.com/Inside/Index.asp?IdS=0...egionalSites&~=

click that and find the closest location, Autocross will be your new best friend.

but ya... i hit the a'pex's in my lane through corners.... damn street racers 
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LOL, funny you should say that. I use to live out this country road, and I did that apex hitting all the time. I use to see how fast I could go, but I never let me self go out of my lane. And I did this in the big fields were I could see if someone was coming, so I thought it okay. That was some real fun there.

EDIT: I forgot to thank you for the link, Thanks. I'm having trouble getting it to work though, I can get the link, it's just finding the info that hard. I think it's because I'm freaking beat right now. I'm so tired.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Mar 2, 2005 - 12:09 AM

[Exile04]

ive done it on a road that had extremly tight turns like a 30 degree turn

[pr_caralho]

Where are you getting your facts from? 88 percent??
I was talking about actual wrecks - not wreckless tickets..
And as i stated in my earlier post i agree with you it can be dangerous - i was pushing that if you do it correctly it minimizes the risks drastically Then again - i live in montana... so its different here - we can find a road where no one is on nor will they be for about an hour - some roads are used that infrequently..
your friend was being a moron. 200mhps is insane speeds and i would not do them even on the streets i described to you - its too fast. road imbalances among other things would make it crazy dangerous.. but going 85 isnt going to kill anyone if your in the right area - and man, dont worry about being mad - **** id be mad as well almost lost your close friend - he killed his girl thats just stupid.
anyhow.. i hope everything with him turns out...
nObOdy
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I never said the 88% was a fact.
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Also the story with the civic wasnt my friend, i just heard it in the news a while back

[CheesyLobster]

can someone please tell me how you "fish tail" in a fwd car when you downshift? 

-DMC
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And only going 130 km/h, =80 mi/h

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Hydroplaning, snow, bumps and turning. All these are possible. More than likely if he was down shifting he was turning. The added resistance from the front wheels + the turning could push the back end to either side. I really wish people would get off this "FWD tail siding" thing. It's very possible in certain conditions.

[pr_caralho]

can someone please tell me how you "fish tail" in a fwd car when you downshift? 

-DMC
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And only going 130 km/h, =80 mi/h
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I live in toronto, wich equals lots of snow. That combined with changing lanes while going 130km/h, =80mi/h can caus lots of accidents.....

[thedevilmaycrie]

guys we are getting off subject here... personally i think that this thread needs to focus on the things you can do to minimize the chance of an accident while racing... as we all know its not gonna stop... so lets focus a thing we call ORM (operational risk management) which is just a looking at what your doing and see what can be done to minimize the risk cause as i stated before we all do something that we shouldnt do on the road... wheather its hitting the apex on the turn, punching it past a slow driver... doing a lil showing off... or just plan out racing...

ill start
1) know the roads you are running on... dont do a mountian ridge run on an unfamilar road...

-DMC

[SlowCelica94]

So now we have a thread on how to street race safely? Yes, let's help get more reckless idiots racing on the roads. This thread needs a heatley dose of delete.

72mph was the faster I ever went in the quarter. Wonder where I got such an accurate numbeR? Oh yes, I go to the track like a smart person. Ok. just checkin

[thedevilmaycrie]

slow-
im not promoting it ... however im not gonna try and fool myself into thinking that if a racer reads this he's gonna stop... im just trying to implant a lil safety into there heads...

-DMC

[pr_caralho]

Heres to driving like a grandma (/raises glass)

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

1. Only race on a strait road.
2. Only race if there are no points were someone could pull out in front of you with you see way ahead of time.
3. Don't race everyone, try to only race people you know and have set up the race first.
4. If you do race someone you don't know, if it's obvious before 60-70mph that one of you will win, back off.
5. Don't race above 80.
6. Don't race when there are other cars on the road.
7. Never race in the rain/snow or on wet road.
8. Don't race when someone is with you. If you kill yourself that’s one thing, but never put someone else’s life in danger.
9. Never ever drag with your girlfriend in the car; you'll have a lot more chance of doing something stupid to show off if she's there.
10. Never race a car without good tires/brakes/and other proper maintenance. Having your engine sees up at 70mph because you forgot to check the oil will screw you over. Lose tie rods, and other failed suspension component could mean your death.

Most of all, just try to be as safe as you can and use good judgment when deciding to race. It's not a good idea to race every idiot in a junker car that pulls up next to you and revs his or her engine. Be safe, or keep your butt off the road.

EDIT: I ran spell check to make sure this could be understood.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Mar 2, 2005 - 8:17 PM

[Rjb23]

All I have to say is if he was racing in the snow/rain or just winter time he disserved to wreck. Preludes are not know for being the safest car, and racing in winter time, when there could be posibly ice on the road is just plain idiotic.

[pr_caralho]

All I have to say is if he was racing in the snow/rain or just winter time he disserved to wreck. Preludes are not know for being the safest car, and racing in winter time, when there could be posibly ice on the road is just plain idiotic.
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Thats what I say, thumbs up to you my man..