Timer & Controller, Having issues... Options

[Supersprynt]

I am getting conflicting feedback here so i would like to kno what the majority has done, thinks.

I'm putting in the 3sgte - do i NEED a turbo timer and boost controller? I kno some controllers have a timer built it, but are these NECESSARY - or just good ideas to have?

[presure2]

NEED? no...but you WILL want those pieces to protect your engine..

[Supersprynt]

no doubt i WILL get them as soon as i find 500 for a controller

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[Guest_Matthew_*]

a boost controller is essential in controlling what PSI you are going to run at.

i believe that the stock boost pressure is 8 psi which for the 3rd gen 3s-gte (st205) gives you 255hp. If you want more power than that and believe me that engine will take up to 15psi on stock internals. That should give you 325 or more. If you do not have a boost controller then you will never be able to adjust it (boost).

The timer is good to have because normally it can control when the turbo activates in a sense. Because I doubt that you want your turbo on a idle. Do you? Also a great thing about some timers is that when you are not riding it hard it will shut off the turbo to let it cool for a few minutes. Because I don't know if you know but under hood temperatures can get very hot. Which in turns heats up turbo oil and starts to break it down. The last thing anyone wants is their turbo to seize up.

I think that I have left out somethings. But it is just my opinion. Take it for what you will.

[Supersprynt]

The timer will probably be in my budget since they're not that expensive, and there are alot of benefits from that, like the automatic idle time when u turn off the car and stuff.

As of right now im going to be running with the stock tranny - i hope to get a camry v6 mr2T within a few months but who knows, but that means i wont be boosting more than stock, cuz the tranny wont hold it.

Thanx Matt for helpin out.

[aaronc222]

QUOTE (igotta5S-FEturbo @ Apr 3, 2003 - 1:17 PM)

The timer is good to have because normally it can control when the turbo activates in a sense. Because I doubt that you want your turbo on a idle. Do you? Also a great thing about some timers is that when you are not riding it hard it will shut off the turbo to let it cool for a few minutes. Because I don't know if you know but under hood temperatures can get very hot. Which in turns heats up turbo oil and starts to break it down. The last thing anyone wants is their turbo to seize up.

Who told you this????? That's completely wrong.

A turbo timer leaves the car on idle for a set(or adjusted by driving, depending on the model) time after you remove the key. This allows the turbo to 'spool down' so that hot oil is not stuck in the turbo when you shut the car off. Having a TT will prevent damage to the turbo by allowing the oil to cool before it is left to sit there. Under normal driving conditions, a TT is practically useless(still helps). But if you like to 'get on the gas' and race than it will save the turbo when you race and then park right afterwards.

[ghostdog]

QUOTE (aaronc222 @ Apr 3, 2003 - 2:59 PM)

Who told you this????? That's completely wrong. A turbo timer leaves the car on idle for a set(or adjusted by driving, depending on the model) time after you remove the key. This allows the turbo to 'spool down' so that hot oil is not stuck in the turbo when you shut the car off. Having a TT will prevent damage to the turbo by allowing the oil to cool before it is left to sit there. Under normal driving conditions, a TT is practically useless(still helps). But if you like to 'get on the gas' and race than it will save the turbo when you race and then park right afterwards.

THANK YOU for taking the time to correct some of the rampant misinformation that often plagues these boards.

... another feature of the turbo timer is the coolness factor. park your car, get out and people will be like "hey, that guy's car is still on" and you'll smile knowing its the TT.

[aaronc222]

QUOTE (gh0st_d0g @ Apr 3, 2003 - 4:46 PM)

THANK YOU for taking the time to correct some of the rampant misinformation that often plagues these boards.

Any time. I too am sick of people trying to learn something, only to be told the wrong story by someone who doesn't know for sure, but just wants to sound smart. If you don't know 100%, then say so or don't say anything, don't misinform people.

BTW, there are some newer alarms that will perform the same function. These are good because they can let the car run for 15-60 seconds, and then roll the windows up and arm the alarm(one of my friends has one, auto start and all).

[97sccelica]

QUOTE (igotta5S-FEturbo @ Apr 3, 2003 - 1:17 PM)

a boost controller is essential in controlling what PSI you are going to run at. i believe that the stock boost pressure is 8 psi which for the 3rd gen 3s-gte (st205) gives you 255hp. If you want more power than that and believe me that engine will take up to 15psi on stock internals. That should give you 325 or more. If you do not have a boost controller then you will never be able to adjust it (boost). The timer is good to have because normally it can control when the turbo activates in a sense. Because I doubt that you want your turbo on a idle. Do you? Also a great thing about some timers is that when you are not riding it hard it will shut off the turbo to let it cool for a few minutes. Because I don't know if you know but under hood temperatures can get very hot. Which in turns heats up turbo oil and starts to break it down. The last thing anyone wants is their turbo to seize up. I think that I have left out somethings. But it is just my opinion. Take it for what you will.

actually, the 2nd gen 3sgte(in the alltrac/gt4) runs at 8 psi

the 3rd gen goes up to 14 i think, depending on some factors. but usually it runs at 12psi. run 2nd and 3rd gen 3sgte's at the same setups(IC, fuel, turbo, etc.), and the 2nd gen should make a little more power due to a higher CR, but as many know, lower CR is much better on a turbo engine which is why the 3rd gen is prefered, it will be more reliable not to mention that they are newer. i believe that the internals on the 2nd and 3rd gen 3sgte's are good to 400hp, which is good enough in my book, unless you have a supra tt or a muscle car.

as for the boost controller, who said you need a new electronic one? try ebay, they are a lot cheaper there or go mechanical(which is what i have).

a turbo timer is a great thing, i still need time to finish installing mine. not only is it a cool thing to have but it really helps with turbo and engine life(even NA cars need to cool down a bit after 1 hour + drives).

btw can anyone confirm the wire colors for me?
i need to know
12v Constant
Ground
12v Ignition
and accessory

The only problem i would have is the alarm that toyota installed in my car wont activate when the car is on, lol, so i will have to manually lock the car.

oh and for the stock tranny issue, there is a guy that has a 400+ hp 3sgte in his 6GC and he is(or was, havent heard anything about him recently) using a stock GT tranny. granted he never really got good traction but the tranny didnt fallt apart.