the cops suck thread, why Options

[Terzin1]

why was that thread locked? I mean yes that kid was retarded but you know, was it worth banning? People had some good stories... (sob) I thought I was in a community... (sob)

[ghostdog]

what are you talking about?

[madmods]

why, because there corrupt! there racist! They let girls off but not guys! they think their God! they are dweeves! Don't get me started....Im having a good day so far.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

why, because there corrupt! there racist! They let girls off but not guys! they think their God! they are dweeves! Don't get me started....Im having a good day so far.
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well thats news to me cause no cop has ever let me off, stupid jack asses

[Supersprynt]

I think alot of ppl are just bitter cuz they drive like asses and get pulled over. Granted, I've been harrassed a couple times and yes there are some @$$holes with badges but to stereotype them all, thats ignorant.

[darksecret]

I don't stereotype, it just so happens that most of them in Charlotte are asses.

[madmods]

I think alot of ppl are just bitter cuz they drive like asses and get pulled over. Granted, I've been harrassed a couple times and yes there are some @$$holes with badges but to stereotype them all, thats ignorant.
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hahah, i don't have a license right now, but I still gotta drive. I live by myself and have no one to take me to work. Its been this way for 6 months, and i got another 6 months to go. So i drive good, always have. Let me share a story with you: I was at macdonalds parking lot talking to my girlfriend at the time who was a blonde. Im half hawaiian half spanish, so I have dark hair. A cop drives by, stops and asks her if shes ok. She walked up to him to get his name for me and tells him shes ok, and I filed a harrasment report the next day. No biggie, until he gets his review and it goes against him. Next story, Im at djs smoke shop in mesa, its a head shop where they sell pipes and bongs. Im there because at the time I smoked those clove cigarettes djarums, and thats one of the few places that sell them. 2 cops drive up on bikes, and start harassing me about a smoked license cover on my car. The guy says he will write me a fix it ticket unless he can run me for warrants. I tell him go ahead, while Im memorising his name. I tell him I work for the FAA and I dont do drugs. He runs my name, I come out clean and I filed a harrassament complain against him the next day. Unfortuneatley for him the girl I was with as a reporter for a weekly magazine called New Times, which is the hip like whats going on in town weekly mag. She writes up a first hand story, and he gets reprimanded. Im not a gang banger, don't look or dress like one. It just gets old after awile. Thats why I hate cops.

[trdevelopment]

im with madmods im not trying to say i hate cops but i get harrassed a lot becouse im young and they think they can take advantage of me.becouse of them i had to pay major fines that i think were bullsh*&. and for the record i would just like to say madmods your the sh^&!!! Never take crap from any cop if you feel your innocent.

[Jen]

K, I don't like cops at all. I get pulled over for the most ridiculous things ever. The other day while I was coming out of Wendy's, I got pulled over because they got a report that a "car of my description" took off with something from Publix in the same shopping center.

I get pulled over a lot, but I usually get let off. *sigh*

[Consynx]

they just wanna peak at your Cha Chas
hah!

i love cops...
i do 16 over and dont get pulled over(highway)
and ones that have i think wanted to pull me over never bother to turn down and streets w/ houses on it
(they are oncoming and slow down to turn around(do not turn on lights) and i duck in a development and park in a driveway)

edit: but the next time a cop pull sme over they're going to take my tint, and i HATE them for that.

This post has been edited by Consynx: Apr 18, 2005 - 8:30 PM

[Terzin1]

I got busted by an off duty biotch. He thought he was being a hardass. I wasnt speeding, i didnt even own the celi at the time. I was driving home from track and he saw my left tire cross the white line into the median. I must have been changing the radio or something. Anyhow, he pulled me over, was out of uniform, and wrote me a ****ing ticket. This was a 30 ft. wide grass median mind you. I went to court to fight it and he blatantly lied. Who was the judge going to believe?

[CupCrazy38]

Well, normally I'd pass a thread like this up... but I'll post my 2 cents.

I'm a 19 year old 911 operator, and I'm considering becoming a police officer once I'm old enough. My dad's a cop, just like my grandfather was, and I have two aunts who are cops.

That being said...are all cops assholes? No, but all cops can be an asshole at times in any given situation. Trust me, I sit for 8 hours each day and have to put up with anywhere from 15-80 different officers depending on which frequency I work.

Here's how I look at. Each day I answer an average of 100 phone calls give or take. I'd say about 85% are police related and not medical/fire. I only have to deal with these people for a matter of minutes, and I get sick of it.

So you get stopped for speeding? Is the cop an asshole b/c he's doing his job? No. Is the cop an asshole for giving you a ticket? No. Are you an asshole for b*tching about it? No. That's natural. You were breaking the law... his job is to enforce it. Going on that logic, are you going to b*tch about the Firefighter who put out the fire at your neighbor's house and saved your own?

I couldn't tell you how many innocent people are hurt or killed b/c someone was speeding and lost control, couldn't stop, or whatever... Now what's a police officer supposed to do? He does his job... who knows, maybe getting pulled over saved your own live and you'll never know it. Maybe it didn't.

As far as b*tching about and sterotyping all cops... nobody should do that. Yes, they may piss you off, but you know what? Someone's breaking into your house... someone's kidnapped someone close to you... you're in an accident...someone raped your wife/sister/girlfriend/mother...someone has you at gunpoint or attacks you with a weapon... u know what? While everyone is running away or hiding, they'll be there for you, and they don't care what you've done in the past, what you look like, or the fact that you complain about them and say horrible things in forums like this.

Go ahead, bad mouth the police department. Doesn't matter. One day you'll need a police officer for something... and you won't be calling him an asshole when he's there to help you.

As far as being stopped b/c you fit a description? Believe it or not, people such as you, when something happens, can only give general descriptions. Here's what happens: Someone does something, say a car is broken into and stolen... witness calls in and the only description they can provide me with is: A small 2 door silver car that took off towards X direction with a wm driver. Well, it just so happens that an officer is right there in that area, looks up, and wham... there is a car fitting that description. So he stops it and asks the driver a few ?'s. Any harm done? No... so you were inconvienenced for a few minutes? What if it was your car and you found out that seconds after being stolen, the veh passed a cop, and the cop was just given a warning to be on the look out? You'd be pissed.

I know this is long but I'll wrap it up. It's just irks me when people will bad mouth all cops b/c they had a bad experience(s) w/a cop(s). They say cops are asses, idiots, and the scum of the earth. Well, if that's the way you feel, then don't ever call for help when you need it then b/c obviosly you don't want it.

Fact is, in every occupation there are going to be assholes. Does that make everyone an asshole? No. If you go out to eat and you get bad service does that mean that all servers are assholes and you should treat them as such? No. Act as a human being and you'll be treated like one.

Kind of funny how it works... if you're an asshole to people, people tend to be an asshole back.

Which, by the way, is one perk of my job. I get to be an asshole to those few cops that are just grumpy assholes. People like that are assholes to everybody... co-workers included.

Just my opinion...thanks for your time

[Mr2_Joel]

[dustin15brown]

Ok why I hate cops.... I took a drunk home along with her car then followed another one on a Harley... DIDNT get pulled over and got a ticket... he saw my car at a house next door to the drunk driver and said i was doin 48 in a 30 and yeah BULL****.. my car does 0-48 in 2.2 right on a Harley's ass That's why I hate them

[saleeka]

nicely put

[x_itchy_b_x]

they seem to be kids who got picked on in HS now are out for revenge lol.
hey ur a cool kid with a nice car, your not speeding i know. But u look so darn fast. im gunna pull you over and yell and be mean cause my father beat me as a child haha. cops look to ruin teens lives i think .

ill make him loose his liscence then make him pay a huge fine with the no money he has since he cant work without driving there.... yeah makes sense.

then im not gunna stop any real crime like the obvious drug deals in my town and hookers but instead ill harass this teen who is going to college and wants to do sumthing with his life. screw stopping when you see me on the side of the road changing a tire ill drive by.

dont hate me cause im beautiful haha
im rich b*tch
and ... ahgha

[DamDirtyApes]

you guys dont like cops but who keeps you safe. ever think of that? You all need to grow up. stop bitching about speeding tickets. If u go 51 in a 50 thats speeding and u should get a ticket. This cop bashing is gettin really annoying

[darksecret]

People aren't complaining about cops in general, we're just giving reasons why we don't like cops. I get messed with all the time because I have tan skin and cops are constantly pulling hispanics over in Charlotte because a lot of them are an easy ticket. Last time I heard the quota system was also illegal, but I can tell you right now if this area doesn't have one then they need to catch the little SOB that tried to bust down my backdoor and was stupid enough to leave the can of soda he had next to the door (which the cops never bothered with taking), I got lucky because he couldn't break through the door, but the place across the street, the BP next door and the clothing shop next to it wasn't. Instead of those officers looking for something useful and stopping the crime they let a lumber yard here smuggle cocaine and don't do s***, but they won't think twice about pulling me so it looks like he's actually accomplishing something and people won't complain.

[madmods]

skateboarding is not a crime! cops get a life

[darksecret]

Nicely put madmods

[Andason]

as a criminal justice major (almost a senior) i see a lack of intellegence by bashing cops and saying OH WHY CANT THEY BE DEALING WITH MORE SERIOUS CRIMES.

you are clearly uninformed. my local law agency (la crosse pd) has 92 sworn officers. there are maybe 6-7 people on the road at a time (road officers) generally three shifts a day which adds up to around just about 20ish police officers on the road. where are these other 70 officers? hmmmm. maybe investigating bigger crimes? you got it. road officers are there to enforce road laws, etc.

in more metropolitan areas such as chicago, twin cities, etc. they arent as likely to stop you for speeding because they are tight on budget and not enough officers are employed to handle such a big city. my friend was going 70 in a 55 and got passed by a cop w/o emergency lights on.

i have a teacher that was a cop for 9 years and he is serioiusly one of the nicest/coolest guys you could ever meet. a lot of people have to put on their cop face when they are on duty. some of the stories he has though, youd think cops were the coolest people around. he told us about how hed put ky jelly on fellow officers windows and stuff. i deal with officers where i work and since they are not in that game face mode they are very nice. granted, some are complete rocks but you'll have that in ANY profession. one time a cop walked up to me and goes: so wheres my donut?!?... i just said to him.... wheres mine? haha.

just because you get pulled over for your tan skin or w/e is bs. some people are racist but minorities being pulled over is inevitable. because of their unequal place in society they tend to not have as much money. they are the ones who tend to drive the cars with broken mufflers, bad taillights, etc. this is asking to get pulled over and messed with. and once you are pulled overs cop can sense fear very easily... fear often represents guilt.

ive never had a problem with being pulled over once i stopped driving like an idiot.

i really agree with cupcrazy. there are some things i used to dislike about cops but the older i get the more i appreciate them.

This post has been edited by Andason: Apr 24, 2005 - 3:21 PM

[25thcelica]

^^ 100% with you man

[darksecret]

This was at a traffic stop where the only people being pulled over are hispanic. It wasn't the cars because a nice RX-7, my car and a Mustang GT vert were all pulled, the only bad car pulled was this lady on her way to work driving an early 90's Cutlass and it was just dirty from the pollen. I don't know why I got pulled but when every person sitting on the side of the road are hispanic or look hispanic sitting down the road from a hispanic neighborhood I put 2 and 2 together and realize they are looking to give an easy ticket. I sat there for at least a half hour and most of that time they just let people pass through without looking at their license unless they were hispanic. You can say i'm just complaining because of racism or the car I drive, but when I can go into a courtroom and tell the judge that the officer pulled me because I was somehow speeding at a stoplight in a nice bright ticket me yellow Lancer and the officer sitting beside me cannot defend himself because he has no proof other than the ticket he wrote then you tell me who's at fault. Cops make just as many mistakes as everyone else, here's an example, Randy Braswell a state trooper on motorcycle patrol spends his off time racing his Cavalier Z24 in south Charlotte, but pulls me over and tickets me for doing 63 in a 55, the kicker is he pulled me in my own driveway and my dad was right in front of me doing the same speed. The thing is the state makes money off our mistakes and it will do anything to exploit them, most people feel they do not have what it takes to fight the system so the system will milk them for what they have and then wonder why they are sitting in a welfare office or crowding unemployment offices trying to find a job they can walk too, but i've done it enough times I could be a lawyer, I have lost my license but it took those SOB's 14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me and i'll have it back next month, unfortunatly it will cost me a few hundred, but as long as they get their money they don't care. I am not afraid to admit when I did wrong, I got nailed pretty hard when I wrecked my Mustang but I was doing something stupid that as a 17 year old kid I shouldn't have been doing so I deserved it, I know when I deserve a ticket and I know when i'm being f***** around with.

[Andason]

This was at a traffic stop where the only people being pulled over are hispanic. It wasn't the cars because a nice RX-7, my car and a Mustang GT vert were all pulled, the only bad car pulled was this lady on her way to work driving an early 90's Cutlass and it was just dirty from the pollen. I don't know why I got pulled but when every person sitting on the side of the road are hispanic or look hispanic sitting down the road from a hispanic neighborhood I put 2 and 2 together and realize they are looking to give an easy ticket. I sat there for at least a half hour and most of that time they just let people pass through without looking at their license unless they were hispanic. You can say i'm just complaining because of racism or the car I drive, but when I can go into a courtroom and tell the judge that the officer pulled me because I was somehow speeding at a stoplight in a nice bright ticket me yellow Lancer and the officer sitting beside me cannot defend himself because he has no proof other than the ticket he wrote then you tell me who's at fault. Cops make just as many mistakes as everyone else, here's an example, Randy Braswell a state trooper on motorcycle patrol spends his off time racing his Cavalier Z24 in south Charlotte, but pulls me over and tickets me for doing 63 in a 55, the kicker is he pulled me in my own driveway and my dad was right in front of me doing the same speed. The thing is the state makes money off our mistakes and it will do anything to exploit them, most people feel they do not have what it takes to fight the system so the system will milk them for what they have and then wonder why they are sitting in a welfare office or crowding unemployment offices trying to find a job they can walk too, but i've done it enough times I could be a lawyer, I have lost my license but it took those SOB's 14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me and i'll have it back next month, unfortunatly it will cost me a few hundred, but as long as they get their money they don't care. I am not afraid to admit when I did wrong, I got nailed pretty hard when I wrecked my Mustang but I was doing something stupid that as a 17 year old kid I shouldn't have been doing so I deserved it, I know when I deserve a ticket and I know when i'm being f***** around with.
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thats another thing that bothers me... is this race card crap. im getting really sick of it. i find myself being "overly" nice to people of color to avoid being accused of something i am not. did you think maybe they were looking for a latino/mexican suspect? maybe they are in a heavy-hispanic area. maybe you are thinking that everyone is hispanic looking and that white people are being let away.

heres the other problem with what you are saying "14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me" i believe that if idiot drivers like you werent given tickets in your driveway you'd probably kill someone driving. should it really take 14 offenses for you to lose your license? it should take three. and if three were the standard im sure they wouldnt give your so-called "driveway" ticket. lay off the gas pedal and quit messing around... you'll eventually understand.

[darksecret]

14 in 4 with 1 wreck, I race every weekend and never in my life have I been "charged" for anything over a, 9 over. You see it's not a race thing like you're talking about, see you said white people being let away, it's not just whites it was everyone that did not have a reddish color skin. There are a lot of illegal aliens in this area, illegal aliens don't have real drivers licenses so they make for easy tickets. You need to learn that this world revolves around money whether anyone likes it or not, it cost money for this states politicians to build a new by-pass so they don't have to see the crap neighborhoods when they go to their nice mansion on Lake Norman or where ever, if you've read about North Carolina we have a lot of corruption in our capital. I know what goes on here because I run a business that these "cops" just happen to go to. You see you can think I b**** because i'm from some poor community or something, but the thing is I run my own business, I have two garages to work with, that mansion in my profile isn't mine but I am allowed there when I please (it's a business partners'), I come from both sides of the tracks and have seen the BS that goes on in the courthouse and around Charlotte. You seem to be the type that thinks police corruption is only in movies and books, here's an update, corruption is around and always will be, but the normal person can't prove it without it being on tape with 500 witnesses.

[Andason]

14 in 4 with 1 wreck, I race every weekend and never in my life have I been "charged" for anything over a, 9 over. You see it's not a race thing like you're talking about, see you said white people being let away, it's not just whites it was everyone that did not have a reddish color skin. There are a lot of illegal aliens in this area, illegal aliens don't have real drivers licenses so they make for easy tickets. You need to learn that this world revolves around money whether anyone likes it or not, it cost money for this states politicians to build a new by-pass so they don't have to see the crap neighborhoods when they go to their nice mansion on Lake Norman or where ever, if you've read about North Carolina we have a lot of corruption in our capital. I know what goes on here because I run a business that these "cops" just happen to go to. You see you can think I b**** because i'm from some poor community or something, but the thing is I run my own business, I have two garages to work with, that mansion in my profile isn't mine but I am allowed there when I please (it's a business partners'), I come from both sides of the tracks and have seen the BS that goes on in the courthouse and around Charlotte. You seem to be the type that thinks police corruption is only in movies and books, here's an update, corruption is around and always will be, but the normal person can't prove it without it being on tape with 500 witnesses.
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illegal aliens? newsflash: THEY SHOULDNT BE IN THE COUNTRY. i can clearly tell you are still young because you actually buy into this whole conspircy theory stuff. the world may revolve around money, but so does your life. you cant really say that your life isnt influence by goals, because it is. the only real people who are free of money are those who have an excess, or none.

[darksecret]

Dude, you're still a junior in college i've already served in the Corps as a combat engineer and run my own business why do you think I can post pretty much when I want (I sell computers), and I agree illegal aliens should be sent back but instead of putting them in a squad car they give them a ticket and I see that every time im in court fighting some BS ticket there are a few dozen of them sitting there for false ID tickets. Look at Time magazine about 6 months ago there was this big spread on the Tyson plant here and instead of sending the illegals they busted back they just arrested the plant manager, oh yeah that solved our problem. I would like to see you stay in Charlotte for more than a month and not get pulled, ask most people from here 9/10 times will someone have been pulled. I've kept pretty quiet about the cops suck thing, but when you come from a town with 92 cops and bash us, we have that many cops on vacation right now, I agree with you that not all cops are bad, but when you have a large police department and a state that is already known for corrupt politicians it becomes a money issue and how much of it can they pry from us through bogus speeding tickets, they went so far as to set up speed cameras every quarter mile because the more tickets the more revenue, go to Wingate sometime it's where Jesse Helms lives, the rest of the area looks like crap, but Jesse just built a 5 million dollar museum for himself in a town with a population of about 1,500, and used tax payer money to fund a private university.

[Supersprynt]

I can agree & disagree with both of you. Its always a money issue, why do you think the speed limit is so low? But also, if you break the law, do not bitch about being caught. If you actively engage in illegal racing, or just driving like an ass, dont be surprised when your pulled over. And if all your friends are hispanic, then so what? You'd be pulled over just like a bunch of white kids driving like asses. My fatger got rear-ended by someone from a different country visiting the US and driving without a license. He rear-ended my father (in a new 350z mind you) and the cop didnt even give him a ticket. The guy has no license, isnt a citizen and he drives off from an accident? That right there is BS.

Also, illegal immigrants, if they werent here, the economy would be hurting BAD. The border patrol is nothing but there for show.

[Ethnykceli]

[illegal aliens? newsflash: THEY SHOULDNT BE IN THE COUNTRY. i can clearly tell you are still young because you actually buy into this whole conspircy theory stuff. the world may revolve around money, but so does your life. you cant really say that your life isnt influence by goals, because it is. the only real people who are free of money are those who have an excess, or none.
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There is nothing wrong with illegal aliens. majority of there are hard working people who come to this country to further their life and if you were in their position you do the samething to. Immagrant workers are some of the hardest working people. i also was an illegal alien at one point of my life

This post has been edited by Ethnykceli: Apr 25, 2005 - 10:32 AM

[Supersprynt]

There is nothing wrong with illegal aliens. majority of there are hard working people who come to this country to further their life and if you were in their position you do the samething to. Immagrant workers are some of the hardest working people. i also was an illegal alien at one point of my life
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Heres essentiall the only thing wrong:

illegal

[Ethnykceli]

yes i know that, but many of the other countries dont give out visa to come to this country often, for instance in mexico mojority of the people come to the united states just to work, but dont have enough money to pay for the paper work to become legal. for my case i came with a visa but it expired i had to wait until my father got his citizenship to become a permenent resident in this country.

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[BlackCelicaGT94]

I dont hate all cops but when they lie it makes me so mad.

i got a ticket in november for doign 10 over which I swear to god i was doing the speed - maybe one or two miles over but with my tires being bigger i probably was clocked doing 6 over. Well i go to court and the judge reads the cops statement. He said he lasered me. Which was total BS cuz when i passed the cop he had someone pulled over and was just walking back to his motorcycle. And to laser someone u must be stopped and point directly at the car.

oh well :-(

[darksecret]

I don't have a problem with illegal aliens, I did at one point but now the country is starting to adjust around them. The only problem I have now is that if this country is trying to keep them out and stay secure from let's say terrorist, i'm not saying the illegal aliens are but who knows, there are americans working for terrorist organizations. The thing is if illegal aliens were such a problem to our country why don't the police send them back instead of handing out a ticket for no lisence, the only solution I can come up with is that it doesn't matter if you're illegal or black or red or anything, to this country right now we are all green and it wants to have that green. If our government was so scared of an attack why not block the obvious problem areas, if an illegal alien can get through our border 6 times, whose to say someone with a bomb couldn't do it once. It's crap because our government doesn't care if there is another attack, if we get attacked again that's more reason to stay at war and war means money for the companies that get these contracts (i.e. our politicians). I was just trying to inform Andason that this country isn't all roses and kittens and because a cop says an oath and wears a badge doesn't mean he's automatically going to do the right thing.

[Ethnykceli]

^^^ i agree with you

[easternpiro1]

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thats another thing that bothers me... is this race card crap. im getting really sick of it. i find myself being "overly" nice to people of color to avoid being accused of something i am not. did you think maybe they were looking for a latino/mexican suspect? maybe they are in a heavy-hispanic area. maybe you are thinking that everyone is hispanic looking and that white people are being let away.

heres the other problem with what you are saying "14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me" i believe that if idiot drivers like you werent given tickets in your driveway you'd probably kill someone driving. should it really take 14 offenses for you to lose your license? it should take three. and if three were the standard im sure they wouldnt give your so-called "driveway" ticket. lay off the gas pedal and quit messing around... you'll eventually understand.
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Lemme put in my 2 cents... i can care less about an illegal alien...as long as theyre not flying airplanes into buildings or trying to blow something up...but I DO care about these bonghole cops... and it IS a race thing sometimes...trust me. ive been black all my life. what percentage of the usa is black? 12ish? u know what percentage of people that get pulled over are black? does it add up? nope. by the way...prisons are populated overwhelmingly by african americans....it dosent make sense...doing their job my natural black....a$$

[easternpiro1]

dont get me wrong.... i love cops though...(the good ones)

[darksecret]

heres the other problem with what you are saying "14 tickets and 4 years to get it from me" i believe that if idiot drivers like you werent given tickets in your driveway you'd probably kill someone driving. should it really take 14 offenses for you to lose your license? it should take three. and if three were the standard im sure they wouldnt give your so-called "driveway" ticket. lay off the gas pedal and quit messing around... you'll eventually understand.
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Now here's my response to that, of those 14 tickets I have been charged with maybe 5, most of the time the cop doesn't have any form of proof because he just guessed I was doing wrong, his guess cost me money, while he gets to take his patrol car and do every bit of 70 (35 zone) in front of my business around a blind corner and not even bother with the stop sign, not to mention that he had no sirens or lights on. Another one I get pulled over so the cop can get in front of me in traffic, the SOB turned his sirens on long enough for me to get out of the way then turned them off again, but if I didn't pull over he would have charged me with evasion. The best one was I got a ticket for wreckless driving and endangering lives, see the cop claimed I did a burnout in my Sierra but the problem was I was in a totally different area from where he claimed he seen it sitting in my truck with it off, I pulled his report for that day and it turned out the exact same time he give me the ticket he was dealing with an accident about a quarter mile down the road from where he pulled me, my guess is he was going to an accident and heard the tire squeal and seen me, this young guy in a vehicle that looked like it needed to be on a track, I told him if it had been me there wouldn't have been a squeal and there would have been enough smoke to fill the parking lot. I lost my license because of some stupid law change and they cut the points requirements almost in half, well I was at the very bottom of that half in points. I have done wrong but I have also been pulled for speeding at a stoplight, being young and not speeding (cops hate that one), accelerating up a hill, not slowing down quicker than the cop when entering a new speed zone (this one is good because the cop slowed down almost a half mile from the new zone), I did get an honest 70 in a 55 but the cop was in a blue Z28 that looked like an everyday vehicle and was revving and lighting his tires at a stoplight trying to get me to race, the list goes on and no these aren't what I was charged with but if you do enough b****ing in court they usually drop it or throw it out because they know as well as I do it's true.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 25, 2005 - 12:28 PM

[madmods]

Ha they got a bunch of guys out here(az) that call themselves the minuteman project. They are a sheet away from being the klan. Wants my 2 cents about the border problem. East germany/west germany wall after the war. They didn't have problems. Not much at least. If you want to stop illegal immigration, then stiffen the consequences. Hey you get caught, you get a meal and a free ride home. ere forking out millions a year for this. It should be if you get caught you do a year of labor in jail. I got nothing against immigrants, as my dad came from spain. But there is a legal way to do it.

[darksecret]

Ha they got a bunch of guys out here(az) that call themselves the minuteman project. They are a sheet away from being the klan. Wants my 2 cents about the border problem. East germany/west germany wall after the war. They didn't have problems. Not much at least. If you want to stop illegal immigration, then stiffen the consequences. Hey you get caught, you get a meal and a free ride home. ere forking out millions a year for this. It should be if you get caught you do a year of labor in jail. I got nothing against immigrants, as my dad came from spain. But there is a legal way to do it.
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I fully agree, we were built on immigrants, but they do need to be a little more stringent of our borders, not really to keep people from trying to work here but to keep security up. Watch Moore's film and look at the northern border about the one patrolman that has to watch that whole area. Everyone is so worried about another plane or a missile attack. As I said before I was a Marine and it's obvious our border is wide open, first rule before setting camp is set a perimeter and guard the camp, it's more complex to do that to borders but think of it this way put up a wall instead of spending millions on plane tickets to send them back. You can ask easternpiro1 this area has a lot of illegals but how many do you see actually being sent back, they're a renewable income for the country because they're money can be taken and they're illegal so they don't have legal rights.

[Supersprynt]

The gov't doesnt wanna get rid of illegal aliens...thats why its only millions, thats really nothing. I know people who are friends of guys on border patrol in the southeast, they blatanly say they are for show. Sure they catch and take a few guys back, but thats just to keep up appearances.

[darksecret]

I think it's like 1 of every 3 or 8 get sent back. I can't remember but Time did the whole spread on it.

[Andason]

and it IS a race thing sometimes...trust me. ive been black all my life.  what percentage of the usa is black? 12ish? u know what percentage of people that get pulled over are black? does it add up? nope. by the way...prisons are populated overwhelmingly by african americans....it dosent make sense...doing their job my natural black....a$$
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Did you ever think there was a legitimate explaination for this. Maybe black people DO commit more crime than white people? As racist as that sounds it really isn't. Typically black people are more likely to be living in povery and more likely to take advantage of these conditions by dealing drugs in order to survive. This could be a reason for the over-representation of blacks in our correctional facility.

Now here's my response to that, of those 14 tickets I have been charged with maybe 5, most of the time the cop doesn't have any form of proof because he just guessed I was doing wrong, his guess cost me money, while he gets to take his patrol car and do every bit of 70 (35 zone) in front of my business around a blind corner and not even bother with the stop sign, not to mention that he had no sirens or lights on. Another one I get pulled over so the cop can get in front of me in traffic, the SOB turned his sirens on long enough for me to get out of the way then turned them off again, but if I didn't pull over he would have charged me with evasion. The best one was I got a ticket for wreckless driving and endangering lives, see the cop claimed I did a burnout in my Sierra but the problem was I was in a totally different area from where he claimed he seen it sitting in my truck with it off, I pulled his report for that day and it turned out the exact same time he give me the ticket he was dealing with an accident about a quarter mile down the road from where he pulled me, my guess is he was going to an accident and heard the tire squeal and seen me, this young guy in a vehicle that looked like it needed to be on a track, I told him if it had been me there wouldn't have been a squeal and there would have been enough smoke to fill the parking lot. I lost my license because of some stupid law change and they cut the points requirements almost in half, well I was at the very bottom of that half in points. I have done wrong but I have also been pulled for speeding at a stoplight, being young and not speeding (cops hate that one), accelerating up a hill, not slowing down quicker than the cop when entering a new speed zone (this one is good because the cop slowed down almost a half mile from the new zone), I did get an honest 70 in a 55 but the cop was in a blue Z28 that looked like an everyday vehicle and was revving and lighting his tires at a stoplight trying to get me to race, the list goes on and no these aren't what I was charged with but if you do enough b****ing in court they usually drop it or throw it out because they know as well as I do it's true.
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You still don't deserve a license. Cops have every right to cut through stop lights. They do go to calls that they dont require emergency flashers for but it may require some urgency. I don't care what your past is nor do I care that you own a business. I have a friend in Iraq who is probably one of those people who does not deserve a license. Is this of any relevance? Nope. Any retard can own a business. You complain about 100 dollar tickets so apparently you are not too well off with your business. Apparently you also can't afford a lawyer on your funds, I've been charged with "Following too closely in automobile" for rear ending someone. Got that dropped. I also have been charged with "Unreasonable and Imprudent speed" and got amended to "Excessive noise by vehicle acceleration" I still to this day have no points off of my license except two for "Illegal window tint"

If you are going to try to use the "I'm a terrible driver" thing, try again. This stuff all happened 5 years ago. Then I realized to stop driving like a retard and haven't been pulled over since.

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You lost any sense of common sense for referring to a Michael Moore film. Propaganda bull****. Bush is a fairly shady politican but is very good at what he does.

[DamDirtyApes]

Andason is the man

All of you kids that whine about cops really need to get your facts straight and get a sense of reality. Of course there are some crooked cops out there. Which profession doesnt have problems. If you follow the law, your not gonna get in trouble. You get speeding tickets because ur driving in an illegal fashion. cut the bull****. you break the law, you gotta pay.

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[DamDirtyApes]

o yeah, moore is a anti american pile of ****.

[Drocay]

Andason that great, but how the hell did u get points for tint. thats a non moving violation aka no points.

[saleeka]

sigh... I HATE people who always have an excuse as to why they are right/ shouldent have had this happen/ I was set up/ they cant prove it...

[SexyCelica]

as a law enforcement student right now it always rubs me the wrong way when people are all like boo hooo they ar harrassing me its all about me , look at me,, give me attention. first they are doin a job, to them they dont know the truth of what is happenning


for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint


another thing is for all of you people who bitch about them remember who will be their when someones breakin into ur house or trying to kill you and for those that truly hate them i hope they dont make it in time


dont drive stupid then u wont get pulled over and if u do get pulled over deal with it dont be stupid and talk back and cause more problems for urself and then bitch about how unfair it was

[darksecret]

You still don't deserve a license. Cops have every right to cut through stop lights. They do go to calls that they dont require emergency flashers for but it may require some urgency. I don't care what your past is nor do I care that you own a business. I have a friend in Iraq who is probably one of those people who does not deserve a license. Is this of any relevance? Nope. Any retard can own a business. You complain about 100 dollar tickets so apparently you are not too well off with your business. Apparently you also can't afford a lawyer on your funds, I've been charged with "Following too closely in automobile" for rear ending someone. Got that dropped. I also have been charged with "Unreasonable and Imprudent speed" and got amended to "Excessive noise by vehicle acceleration" I still to this day have no points off of my license except two for "Illegal window tint"

If you are going to try to use the "I'm a terrible driver" thing, try again. This stuff all happened 5 years ago. Then I realized to stop driving like a retard and haven't been pulled over since.

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You lost any sense of common sense for referring to a Michael Moore film. Propaganda bull****. Bush is a fairly shady politican but is very good at what he does.
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First off my business does very well that is why i'm sitting here fighting with you and not sitting in jail for the offences I have. You call Moore propaganda you sir are truely ignorant, showing you're the type that Bush could put a bullet in your family members heads and you would still praise him, and Bush is the one hiring actors to portray his B/S administration as actually doing a good job, he got busted, if Moore was propaganda don't you think the Republicans would have spent millions of our dollars trying to proove it, they can't because it's not. Window tint and noise are not driving like an idiot. You think because you are getting a piece of paper that says you know the law that you can tell me what cops can and can't do, buddy I have experience in court, got the practice defending myself and learned from the county magistrate I know a little about law too. Cops are required to turn their sirens when running stoplights, otherwise when they cause an accident they can have a good defense. Also in North Carolina the officer cannot write you with a ticket if they cannot show you the speed they clocked you doing. I drive based on my skill level, i'm not some soccer mom swerving in and out of lanes, I made one stupid mistake and it cost me my car. I have never injured anyone in a wreck, my driving has never even come close to harming another. You see you tell me I drive like a**, driving bad is someone who cuts people off and then slows down, or about running someone off the road because they didn't pay attention when switching lanes, I am an excellent driver and I know it ask easternpiro1 he's seen me drive I can hold my own and you can say it will catch up with me someday, I would like to see it try at the speed i'm going (j/k about the speed thing). Just because I get a lot of tickets doesn't mean i'm any worse it just means I got pulled by the officer that didn't get laid the night before.

[darksecret]

as a law enforcement student right now it always rubs me the wrong way when people are all like boo hooo they ar harrassing me its all about me , look at me,, give me attention. first they are doin a job, to them they dont know the truth of what is happenning


for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint


another thing is for all of you people who bitch about them  remember who will be their when someones breakin into ur house or trying to kill you and for those that truly hate  them i hope they dont make it in time


dont drive stupid then u wont get pulled over and if u do get pulled over deal with it dont be stupid and talk back and cause more problems for urself and then bitch about how unfair it was
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I said before this isn't about the breaking and entering, if a cop stopped me while walking into a store or even while driving because I fit a description it wouldn't bother me, but no they pull me because of some B/S quota they have to fill. Around here the cops place bets on how many of a certain race or age group they can give tickets to, and the best one is how many of a certain car (i.e. sports, SUV). You can say i'm s***ing you but ask Officer Cochran of the Monroe police he's one of my friends and he's helped me get out of a few bogus charges. Look up Officer Sherwood's record the guy pulls people over and gives a 6x in a 45 regardless of what you did, he got me for speeding at a stoplight and was so p***ed when that's what I told the judge that, the DA knew of his record and let me off. Just because someone believes everything the news tells them doesn't give them the right to say i'm a bad driver, there might not be crooked cops in other parts of the country, but NC is full of them because they generate revenue. They called street racing an epidemic here at one time, but the only people ever truely hurt in a street race here was a group of 11 who got busted and their cars taken away. We raced at Twin Lakes for a long time every weekend and nobody ever got hurt, we do 100+mph fun runs to our race locations with 75+ cars and nobody got hurt or even a fender bender. I was watching the news yesterday and in the state of Indiana there are more children that die from abuse than street racing deaths in our state, which I don't remeber any in Charlotte caused by street racing. Bottom line is unless everyones little piece of paper says they know North Carolina law they can't tell me anything about what goes on here.

[darksecret]

Andason makes a good point and I make a good point, I forgot to mention that the only time I do speed is on the backroads or Interstates, in which I have never recieved a ticket. People around here drive like a**, ask anyone from this area, if you drive stupid on the highway you're asking for an accident because some old couple in an SUV will cut in front of you without blinking. I do speed on the backroads usually on the way home from work and the only time i've been pulled is at a traffic stop through the hispanic neighborhood. I don't mean to offend anyone about the little piece of paper thing, I have a few of them for doing PC work, it just means you might know what you've been taught but expeirence will out do education any day. My uncle just got A+ certified and i'll run circles around him with a computer. I feel people that drive like a** need to get a ticket, when I see someone on a cellphone swurving in and out of traffic doing 60mph they need to get pulled. I've said before i've done stupid stuff but this thread is for complaining about the times you didn't do stupid stuff and got a ticket any way. I got my first ticket for 71 in a 55 and it was completely legit, I also have been pulled for 64 in a 55 but got a warning. I got another for 64 in a 45 on 601 South that was my fault, one for 90 in a 45 and wreckless for the wreck I had, but as far as I can recall that was it that I know I did wrong. That one wreck was true stupidity because I was only 17 and had no experience driving a Mustang around a curve to fast (I learned Mustangs handle like garbage that day too, lol). I learned my lesson a few of years ago about doing something I can't handle but now we have all these rookie cops trying to proove something and pulling anyone they can pin the blame on over. I also forgot to mention about the crooked cop thing, if you check the news we had a lot of cops get busted for cheating on skills test, so there is no telling how many cops we have patrolling the area that don't know anything because they cheated their way through the academy.

[dustin15brown]

OK then can someone attempt to give me a reasonable explanation for my ticket? I took some drunks home, followed one who was driving, didn't get pulled over and got a ticket.... anyone?

[madmods]

for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint
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Hey F U a-hole,
You got alot of nerve coming here and attacking me. I was in a parking lot talking to my girlfriend you prick. We drove together. So does that mean every cop has to stop when 2 people of different races are talking? We wouldn't get anything done would we?

[darksecret]

What madmods was trying to say is that cops don't need to naturally assume that something is wrong. If she was trying to get away from him I would understand, but they were having a conversation. Police are to quick to stereotype, because of their training they think they're professional profilers. During my service we had to profile enemies, but we didn't shoot first then check, we waited until they shown proof they were hostile, it didn't matter if we lost a couple of guys in the attack. Police don't follow the same rules as the military, we both have rules of engagment but it's easier for a cop to get away with breaking his because they mostly work alone or with a partner. If I shot an enemy without verification first I would be in prison right now, but cops get a reprimand and a week off of work for it. Also if she was in a parking lot getting assaulted or just getting some the officer would have full right to say something until that happened he should have just kept to himself.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 26, 2005 - 4:31 PM

[darksecret]

OK then can someone attempt to give me a reasonable explanation for my ticket? I took some drunks home, followed one who was driving, didn't get pulled over and got a ticket....  anyone?
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You got me, when did you get the ticket?

[Andason]

Andason that great, but how the hell did u get points for tint. thats a non moving violation aka no points.
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Good question. I was young and I didn't really think of it.

You call Moore propaganda you sir are truely ignorant, showing you're the type that Bush could put a bullet in your family members heads and you would still praise him, and Bush is the one hiring actors to portray his B/S administration as actually doing a good job, he got busted, if Moore was propaganda don't you think the Republicans would have spent millions of our dollars trying to proove it, they can't because it's not.

He is a neo-conservative. Figure it out... the popular vote voted him back in. The GOP didn't waste their time on Moore because he is a conspiracist. Let's spend millions of dollars to disprove one idiots idea... wow, you keep digging your hole deeper and deeper man.

You think because you are getting a piece of paper that says you know the law that you can tell me what cops can and can't do, buddy I have experience in court, got the practice defending myself and learned from the county magistrate I know a little about law too. Cops are required to turn their sirens when running stoplights, otherwise when they cause an accident they can have a good defense. Also in North Carolina the officer cannot write you with a ticket if they cannot show you the speed they clocked you doing. I drive based on my skill level, i'm not some soccer mom swerving in and out of lanes, I made one stupid mistake and it cost me my car. I have never injured anyone in a wreck, my driving has never even come close to harming another.

Wow, wow, wow. We learn biology as Criminal Justice majors. You are an IDIOT. GOSH. Would you like a LIST of my applicable courses in law (both court and policing)? I have more expierence you could imagine at law. I'm not sure what NC laws are, but cops CAN write a ticket without showing you speed... its called, yes, you got it "UNREASONABLE AND IMPRUDENT SPEED."

They called street racing an epidemic here at one time, but the only people ever truely hurt in a street race here was a group of 11 who got busted and their cars taken away. We raced at Twin Lakes for a long time every weekend and nobody ever got hurt, we do 100+mph fun runs to our race locations with 75+ cars and nobody got hurt or even a fender bender. I was watching the news yesterday and in the state of Indiana there are more children that die from abuse than street racing deaths in our state, which I don't remeber any in Charlotte caused by street racing. Bottom line is unless everyones little piece of paper says they know North Carolina law they can't tell me anything about what goes on here.
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Street racing isn't dangerous? I really hope you or someone close dies because of some idiot going 95 million miles an hour street racing. Then we'll see what happens to your attitude about it. ONE person dying from it is ONE too many. Keep it on the track.

I also forgot to mention about the crooked cop thing, if you check the news we had a lot of cops get busted for cheating on skills test, so there is no telling how many cops we have patrolling the area that don't know anything because they cheated their way through the academy.
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Will you PLEASE give up on this cop conspiracy thing. They have supervisors to report to and if you have a problem please let their supervisor know.

OK then can someone attempt to give me a reasonable explanation for my ticket? I took some drunks home, followed one who was driving, didn't get pulled over and got a ticket....  anyone?
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More details please?

What madmods was trying to say is that cops don't need to naturally assume that something is wrong. If she was trying to get away from him I would understand, but they were having a conversation. Police are to quick to stereotype, because of their training they think they're professional profilers. During my service we had to profile enemies, but we didn't shoot first then check, we waited until they shown proof they were hostile, it didn't matter if we lost a couple of guys in the attack. Police don't follow the same rules as the military, we both have rules of engagment but it's easier for a cop to get away with breaking his because they mostly work alone or with a partner. If I shot an enemy without verification first I would be in prison right now, but cops get a reprimand and a week off of work for it. Also if she was in a parking lot getting assaulted or just getting some the officer would have full right to say something until that happened he should have just kept to himself.
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Where do you learn about what cops do? Of course they profile. It's how they identify crime. Cops, like most people, have an intuition of if something is wrong. Can you sense if someone is scared by you? Yes, you can. If someone is showing fear its quite easily a sign they are doing something wrong. Cops don't shoot first, ask questions later. From what I hear from friends in Iraq it is quite opposite in the Military. Police follow many simliar rules to the military. The rules of engaugement are much higher for a police officer. If a person shows hostility there is a certain level of force that can be escalated by that officer. Non-deadly force is used in that situtation. The officer can only use deadly force if there is an immediate threat of death.

Cops go to jail too. Look at many of the people who have. Powell? (Rodney King's assaulter) He is/was in prison. There are many cases. Do your research before speaking.

[dustin15brown]

I got it TWO days after my month long vacation in Alabama.... It was around september. I'm still fighting it, Indiana law doens't require radar ticket OR patrol video. The cop mouthed he had a patrol video, so I call my lawyer and tell him to get it, but he temporarily misplaced it. WTF 4 point offence too

[SexyCelica]

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This post has been edited by SexyCelica: Apr 26, 2005 - 10:33 PM

[SexyCelica]

for maddmod- waht would u think if ur girlfriend was stopped by someone in a parking lot and the cop didnt check it out and then she was assualted or murdered???? everythink about that???? he had to make sure. so in turn u were the @sshole for filing a complaint
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Hey F U a-hole,
You got alot of nerve coming here and attacking me. I was in a parking lot talking to my girlfriend you prick. We drove together. So does that mean every cop has to stop when 2 people of different races are talking? We wouldn't get anything done would we?
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well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life

[dustin15brown]

umm ^ could be the rudest/cruelest thing I've heard... Come on now guys

[nObOdy]

Interesting posts here.. thought id add my own opinions.. which is what all of this is really - opinion, personal bias, perspective. no matter how much you may think you are untouched... sorry you are. who you are colors what you see no matter how hard you try. obviously steps can be taken to minimize this but the fact of the matter still presides.
first off .. the guy whose had 14 tickets in 4 years, and claims he is a good driver is just wrong. absolutely wrong. And I realize that you haven’t been in an accident – but, continue driving as you do, and you will. Of course i realize that you think you are singled out for being a certain race - and of course it happens. but 14 times is a few too many. i can understand one, two, three but your getting up there in 14 tickets. i hope to god i never drive near you. secondly.. being a computer science major.. flaunting about being someone with an a+ certification is something you'd only get away with if no one knew what an a+ certification is.. try a ccna or a ccie or some kind of networking degree- or **** maybe even a degree in computers? Maybe that should cater some respect – but anyone with a very minimal knowledge of computers can garner an a+ certification… its nothing to flaunt that you can outsmart someone with one. anyhow..
being white - i may not have the same view you do, but, all of you who think racism is not an issue in this world, read The Racial Contract by charles w mills. His thoughts are both highly intelligent and interesting.
but those of you who think racism is rampantly affecting all of those tickets you are getting... seriously come on, try this, examine what you were doing. Yes ive been a highschooler - ive gotten tickets that i swear i shouldnt have. Yet – that was cause I was so wrapped up in too many other things especially the inability to take responsibility of my own actions to admit I was wrong. though the fact of the matter is, Yea maybe there are some more dangerous people out there driving who arent getting ticketed. but excessive speeding is a trait of a BAD DRIVER, no matter how much you think you are in control you are still going too fast and thus you are behaving in an insafe manner.
cops are not all out there just to push a quota. they are there number one to protect the people. No you driving 85 in a 35 are not being safe, no matter how "in control" you think you are, the faster you are going the longer it takes to stop. so the cop that gets your stupid ass off the street - is the cop that saves my life when i turn a right and dont expect you to be a dumbass and speed so excessively. Cops are also there to make money. it is their job to find and fine those who are breaking the law, they dont have to imagine people breaking the law because think of how many unlawful people are in this world.
also im sure you didnt know this about the rodney king beating which spurred the city of LA into a rather LARGE riot (id say) was that rodney was on PCP and cocaine among various other drugs. for those of you who do not know what PCP is - think of this - PCP users DO NOT FEEL PAIN, you can whack them with the nightstick all you want, but if you want to get someone to the point where they are no longer a harm to you - you have to BREAK their bones and tear their muscles so they can no longer physically USE them.
Now - I dont know about you that have seen the video - but it definitely seems to me that they could have thrown rodney in handcuffs and he would have ceased to have been so much of a threat or some kind of more peaceful approach. also - an FYI it took 3 plastic surgeons to put his face back to its original state- and even so it wasent fully rodney's face anymore. If you guys want to learn some facts about the rodney king beating - pick up anna deavere smith's novel TWILIGHT its really a good recounting of many different view points of many different races which were involved in the riot.
also - micheal moore is and interesting thing - as a non bush supporter - i will not lie and say that i am not biased. but micheal does raise some interesting questions and his stories on how the truth could have really fallen into action really is scary how perfectly some of the pieces fit. some of the points micheal makes are just lucridous - for example - he slams bush for not acting for 7 min after the first plane hit on 9/11 - what i believe he fails to realize is - picture yourself in that situation - would you be like OH NO! - well i had a PLAN should this happen! say you hear some really bad news- like your father has died - do you immediately go - alright well the funeral will be on sunday - lets get flowers and start going off on what you need to do? no. you go, ****....
my.. dad is gone or handle it your own way but its rare to find someone who is spurred into action by such an event such as that.
Yes i know this is far gone from the topic of corrupt police but i enjoy allowing my ideas to be read and criticized because i will not be a person who follows multiplist thinking.

alright - the guy who was talking to his girlfriend and the cop came over - i really dont understand what your mad at... if he had been anything other than questioning maybe i could understand your anger. You are so blinded by the thought that he came over purely because of your race you have forgotten the entire reason he came over at all was to make sure the lady was alright – sitting in a parking lot and talking IS a bit suspicious if you think about it go to a park or better yet – go home and talk anywhere but a fast food restaurant parking lot..… so – stop your quick to anger cause a cop has taken interest in you - rather think of what he assuring – the safety of the women of our country – don’t automatically assume every slight injustice upon you was because your race.
A lot of times this injustice cry against cops can really be thought out in a much more logical manner than automatically placing the blame on your race, or that the cop hadn’t gotten laid the night before or whatever. That’s just bull**** btw..
If a cop needs to get by you and he flashes his lights so you’ll move – move, don’t whine about it, you don’t know the situation, don’t criticize it – its just stupid to assume that he was doing it just to get another spot ahead of you in traffic.. do you assume that only because you’d do it? From whence does this idea come from…

Alls I’m asking people to begin doing – is think – and I’m sorry if my essay to you all wasn’t coherent I must say I am quite tired anyhow
Rip me apart as you wish – but do it civilly I don’t feel like drawing out a petty fight of words from people with over inflated egos …
nObOdy

[madmods]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.

[darksecret]

Has anyone actually read madmods statement, it wasn't that the cop came up and asked a simple question, he came up and naturally assumed that the girl was in danger because she was talking to someone of a different race. Wouldn't you feel somewhat offended if a cop came up to ass-u-me you were bothering this girl. As I said before it's understandable if they were arguing or she was attempting to get away, but that wasn't the case.

I will choose Moore over Bush because Moore can actually proove he's right, Bush just stands their looking like an in-bred wanting someone to bail him out. I do agree with nobody about the 7 mins. If I spent that much time on vacation instead of doing my job, i would be thinking oh s***.

As for myself I said I keep the stupid stuff off of the highway because people here are very unpredictable, it's mostly on the backroads or where I have an emergency lane if I need it. If you check my record you'll see that most of these cases are on a highway where I don't do the stupid stuff, i.e. 74, 601, 200 and 1 backroad accident were I was the only one involved and I admitted it was stupid. When I was in high school I didn't care who was on the road next to me now it's been around 5 years and I don't desire to drive crazy in traffic, but I have a knack for ending up at the wrong place at the wrong time. As far as the race thing goes i'm Lumbee Indian and I know I have a right to pull the race card, but I was mad because they assumed I was hispanic and made pull at a traffic stop and made me 2 hours late to a meet I organized, all because I have a reddish skin. I wouldn't complain if they actually pulled over someone else but they didn't and they wouldn't let me film the B/S stop they did because they were afraid it would end up on the news or something. It's alright they do it twice a week in the same spot now. What gives a cop the right to bend or break the law is my question, what allows them to put others lives in harm by blowing through stoplights with no sirens or ride peoples a**** to try and get them to speed up when they're already 5 over the limit or to speed recklessly playing around with the Camaro they just got assigned to them, the best are the street racing cops, we have this 55 year old guy that cruises around in a new Thunderbird when pulls pulls up next to a car like an Eclipse or Mustang he revs his engine taps his fender then launches, after about an 1/8th of a mile he let's off the gas and flips his blue lights on. Technically that was entrapment, but yet it is legal as long as the other party commits, the problem is what gives our local police department the right to put others lives in danger by sending their own crazy drivers out to race, like I said before I don't recall a time where anyone have been killed in an organized street race in the Charlotte area and street racing been around Charlotte since bootlegging was big, what do you think NASCAR was before the track, the biggest motorsport in the nation and it was made by criminals. Bottom line is that my entire family has been or is involved in street racing and we have seen more accidents happen at Rockingham than at the street races here.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 27, 2005 - 9:14 AM

[nObOdy]

yea man i read his post - and whilst i dont know what that is like i can understand him through his eyes. But what i was saying is that howcome you automatically assume it was because of race that the cop came up to him?
Its like an istantaneous reaction whenever you get in trouble - and thats what im arguing against - Question - when you say you got pulled over because they assumed you were hispanic and they made a pull at a traffic stop and made you two hours late.. did they come up to you and go, hey your hispanic and start grilling you? why do you think it was because your skin is red?
and i understand your point about you being on the highway and everyone know's they've been stupid at some point - my question is when is it going to end, i know you say you have the knack of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but id like to rephrase that and say doing the wrong thing at the wrong time =) highway or not, its unsafe - though ill admit id rather have it done on the highway - i live in montana and they are WIDE OPEN no cars so there would be little chance id be next to you =)
going to class will post when i get back

This post has been edited by nObOdy: Apr 27, 2005 - 10:20 AM

[darksecret]

Because everyone else's skin was the same color, if they just picked me out it would have been different but I sat there and watched them let everyone else flash their license and go through, why just make the hispanics pull over? We have a problem with having a lot of illegal aliens as I said before, but instead of writing a ticket why not put them in a squad car or have a van there to take them back, instead they give them a ticket for a fake ID and let them go. If you rephrase it then you're implying that I was doing something wrong, but I don't have to be doing something wrong, if a cop has a quota to meet and they want to give a ticket it's my word against theirs. The deal is cops are humans and they have authority and just like any human they try that authority thinking they are fixing a problem when they actually cause them in the long run, let's say someone who never gets in trouble gets pulled by a cop and didn't do anything wrong but the cop claims they were doing 70 in a 55 and writes a ticket well they never do anything wrong so they go to court and the judge that day is in a bad mood and throws the book at everybody, well now this 70 in a 55 turns into a reckless driving charge and the court charges to the full extent tha day so now the judge decides to give the person a punishment of two months suspended license and this person goes home without their license. Now it doesn't seem fair but the fact is it happens all because these "professionals" let personal matters effect their work. Now go a week later this person lost their job because of a lack of transportation and they can't go job hunting since they don't have a way to get there. When the time comes to get their license back they lost their home, job, and an a** load of money for court and the fine to get their license back. Now as I said these "professionals" had a pissy day and took it out on this person, and what makes this so bad is it happens in real life, i've been pulled for speeding because a cop claimed I did it when I was behind a rig the whole time, it was some guy that flew by because we weren't going fast enough and he jumped in front of the truck, but I got the punishment for it. I travel a lot, it's part of my job so I will more than likely have some run in's with the police, that is what I mean by wrong place at the wrong time.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 27, 2005 - 2:06 PM

[saleeka]

Yes, it IS unfair that people let personal matters affect their professional life... However, as with all professions, everybody is only human, and the real world IS NOT fair, plain and simple. I personally find it more productive to avoid complaining about it constantly, and focus that energy in trying to make a change so im either not in that situation again, or using that energy to get others to think and have them want to make the change. That said, if you still feel so angry about how everything is always unfair- look at the bright side- your not the only one getting f'ed over....

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

F*CK COPS!

[darksecret]

Nicely said mon3y19 but why, what's your reason?

[CupCrazy38]

Ugh... I tried to just post once, but after the day I had at work...

Ok, so you were approached in a plot and the cop asked your girlfriend if everything was ok... Not saying this is what happened, but it is a possible scenario:

For us, a Signal 54 means "Suspicious"... it's a catch all to describe a lot of things. We get calls like the example above all the time. Ever think someone in one of the businesses(who may be a racist and it may have been the reason they called if we want to get hypethetical) called in to the police about this? The cop, knowing it's a bullsh*t call, still has to respond. He goes out... asks one question, and he's done. And the public is happy. Except you b/c your g/f was asked if she was ok.


As for the laser incident... forget it. You're tagged with laser, you're getting a ticket unless the officer wrote the wrong laser serial number on the ticket. You say you have a laser detector that's 100% accurate? Biggest waste of money in the world. By the time you see the officer that pulls you over, of course you're not speeding. Why? B/C A) your laser detector went off or B)u saw him. Now for the catch: Your laser detector goes off? Know what that means? You got tagged... so congrats, you know you're likely going to be stopped 30 seconds more in advance than if you didn't have one. And that cop you saw parked a mile up the road so you knew not to speed? Guess what... You didn't see the other cop on the other side of the freeway/on the bridge above you a mile and a half back, that is actually shooting the laser.

Tonight work sucked. I had a bomb threat and had to evacuate a mall, took a shooting call, had a major stabbing just to name a few...

Ever wonder why cops get tired of people? Countless calls about people who don't know how to be parents and want the po-po to do it for them. Hell, I had this bitch complain to me today that one of our police departments was a joke b/c they didn't respond to her fast enough. She got into a verbal dispute with her boyfriend and she wants to turn him in b/c he's wanted. Oh, but he's gone now.

Hell... it took damn 15 minutes to respond to that call. Why? Well, b/c a drug deal down the street went bad and an innocent person was shot. Oh, not to mention the girl who was stabbed defending herself from a man trying to rape her. And that bomb threat at the mall... hell that could have been delayed as well. Bitch... you got in a verbal argument with your boyfriend who is no longer there. She was in no immediate danger, and the boyfriend she's loved and not turned in for a year all of a sudden pisses her off, and now she wants to be a good citizen. 15 minutes isn't a long wait. Tells me she's gonna write her representative. Sad part is, she's got 7 children by this man...it's the only thing stupid people do well: Breed.

Just remember this: when dealing with the police department, Sarcasm is just one more customer service benefit we offer

This post has been edited by CupCrazy38: Apr 27, 2005 - 11:32 PM

[darksecret]

Charlotte doesn't worry much about being strapped for officers, I believe we have at least 140 on the clock at any given time, plus the State Troopers, Sheriffs Department, and DMV. A while back my dad had a guy come to his house and shoot at him, it took about 20-30 minutes from the time of the phone call for the cops to show up, and the sad thing is it was cops from the next town. My dad lives in a town called Marshville thirty minutes east of Charlotte, the police department consist of 4 cops, 1 detective, and a chief, after 11 pm we have one cop and that's it. When the cops fom the next town show up they find that our cop is still sitting at the police station taking a nap. Well i'm glad that the cops from the next town knew what they were doing, and the sad thing is i've never been in any trouble with them, not even the first ticket, and the speed limit there is 35 and they won't even drive that slow on a major highway. They know why the limit is so low and they won't mess with people unless someone's coming through their town doing 75 or something.

[SexyCelica]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.
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ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.

This post has been edited by SexyCelica: Apr 28, 2005 - 2:27 PM

[calicelica]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.
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ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.
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sexycelica yer the biggest idiot 2 come on these boards get yer facts straight before you shoot yer bs

[Andason]

As far as the race thing goes i'm Lumbee Indian and I know I have a right to pull the race card, but I was mad because they assumed I was hispanic and made pull at a traffic stop and made me 2 hours late to a meet I organized, all because I have a reddish skin.

Because as Americans we still discriminate on natives huh? You have NO right to pull a race card. Do I have a right to say that you did this because I'm white? It's a ludicrous statement. It sounds just as ludicrous when you say it.

Technically that was entrapment, but yet it is legal as long as the other party commits, the problem is what gives our local police department the right to put others lives in danger by sending their own crazy drivers out to race,

It's called training. Do you have any?

like I said before I don't recall a time where anyone have been killed in an organized street race in the Charlotte area and street racing been around Charlotte since bootlegging was big, what do you think NASCAR was before the track, the biggest motorsport in the nation and it was made by criminals. Bottom line is that my entire family has been or is involved in street racing and we have seen more accidents happen at Rockingham than at the street races here.

It may not have happened YET but it is inevitable. I'm sure it has happened you just fail to keep up with news.

I would just suggest admitting you are wrong, if you have not noticed I am relentless. Many members here will vouch for that. Street racing serves no purpose in society. Nor does crazy driving. Get out of your bubble and look at the bigger picture. People HAVE died for participating in the "racing" culture. Wow, my car is faster than yours... aka wow, my mom and dad give me more money than yours. People who can afford their own car parts take it to the track because they can afford to trailor their car and pay any fees.

[darksecret]

You'll be quick to learn Andason that I can be just as relentless, I don't pull the race card about indians, most indians don't, but they have a right to because we didn't get taken from our land and brought here, we were here first and were slaughtered for it. Don't try to pull that "the indians fought back " crap either, there was only one hostile tribe in the state of North Carolina and a handful on the East Coast.

Are you trying to say cops can be trained street racers, you're B/Sing me, so what do they do sit behind the station and practice burnouts, you're putting your foot in your mouth saying it's all right for cops to do it and not a normal person can't, and yes I have plenty of experience racing (hello this is Charlotte: Lowe's, the Rock, hell all we need is a dog track and we'll have them all) and yes for a small price you can run on any of the tracks around here. I can tell you haven't got any experience in racing, just because people who do aren't against it as much as you. I've seen the stats on street racing deaths in Charlotte and I stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning.

You come from halfway across the country talking like you know North Carolina law because you are trying to get a piece of paper saying you know a little about law,(there's more than one way to learn about law), and you're no lawyer and you're no judge, I see what goes on in court because of a ticket or to report a break in that our wonderful police department can't seem to deal with since East Charlotte is such a s*** hole trying to stop all those teenagers from taking the last dounut at Krispy Kreame. You check this place out one time, car thefts and murder has gone up, but they sure as h*** won't let the speeders get away since 1 out of every 120,000 speeders actually causes a serious accident. I won't admit i'm wrong for the simple fact that maybe one day it will catch up with me and maybe I'LL be killed by running into a 3" curb in a street race (sarcasm people), but know this I do not put others lives in danger and I have never put a passengers life in danger, i've said it before just because you get a ticket doesn't mean you actually did something wrong, who knows maybe the cop is mad because his wife cheated on him with someone that drives a car similar to mine, or maybe he seen a car similar to mine hauling a** and pulled me by mistake, it could be a million reasons, but I learned during my "training" to never assume things, assuming is what gets a little kid with a water pistol shot because the cop thought it was real. Listen pull your head out of Bushs' a** and open your eyes, this world isn't perfect and you're the only one who seems to think that cops are perfect and if you get a ticket you did something wrong, even people who are against me make good points, but you seem to be stuck on there's no such thing as racist cops, and if you street race you will kill yourself and somebody, forums are about opinions and you won't change mine regardless and you still haven't proven me wrong because I know street racing is wrong and a couple hundred people in this world have died this year because of it, hell Bush was wrong for attacking Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people, but we'll just call the schools and homes collateral damage so it doesn't sound like genocide. See I care if someone dies if I race and that is why it's called organized street racing, and yes there is a risk in doing it, but there is also a risk going to Pageland drag strip 15 minutes south and you do a bracket race against a 12 second car and they roll it halfway down the track hitting you and since Pageland's only rule is you must wear some form of helmet, they lose their life because they have no roll cage since it isn't required and you lose yours because there is no barrier between you and the opponent. When you move to this area and spend a few years here, check out a couple of the organized street races to see that we do have our own set of rules, and spend about 50+ hours in a North Carolina courtroom then come talk to me about things being perfect.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Apr 28, 2005 - 6:22 PM

[calicelica]

encyclopedias for sale, don't need them I can ask anderson

[darksecret]

It may not have happened YET but it is inevitable. I'm sure it has happened you just fail to keep up with news.

One more thing and I need a smoke break, You trying to tell me I don't know what's going on in my area, i'm into organized street racing, when someone cracks a bumper at a street race we all hear about it, the only thing that has happened in the past three years was 11 guys got busted in South Charlotte for racing and Twin Lakes got shut down, that pretty much sums it up.

[Batman722]

[SexyCelica]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.
[right][snapback]278751[/snapback][/right]

ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.
[right][snapback]279577[/snapback][/right]

sexycelica yer the biggest idiot 2 come on these boards get yer facts straight before you shoot yer bs
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hmm lets see how many radar / lasers have u operated????? cause ya know from the ones i ve used thats what they do. what did the ones u operated do????
and if u havent used one before then just plz stfu,

[saleeka]

ok I hate to hijack this thread, but today i got pulled over in my car and i just HAVE to vent. So I was driving down Lyndale ave in Mpls. this afternoon by Lake street in Uptown, and this pr*ck of a cop pulled me over just as i got up to this really trendy restaurant on the corner. He said he was following behind me and noticed i was going 40 in a 30... he also asked me to turn my club music completly off when he came up to the car, but instead of asking me he said to turn that "noise" off... So he ended up giving me a ticket for going 5 over, and he was a complete a hole the whole time. I know the only reason he pulled ME over, other people we speeding too, is because I was listeing to some dance music in a gay neighborhood and he prolly saw my tight tee shirt... What a homophobe!!! I hate cops...
















So did that sound Ignorant? Im sure it did. Guess what? it sounds JUST as ignorant when people say they have a right to play the race card... You end up looking just as stupid as the person who supposedely judges you... making assumpions about why things happen to only YOU and playing it off because "im not white" is idiotic... And a quick question- Since when does geography dictate how good of a driver you are? Im just curiois, because im ASSUMING that it prolly works just like how female drivers always are horrible drivers

[madmods]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.
[right][snapback]278751[/snapback][/right]

ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.
[right][snapback]279577[/snapback][/right]

sexycelica yer the biggest idiot 2 come on these boards get yer facts straight before you shoot yer bs
[right][snapback]279613[/snapback][/right]

hmm lets see how many radar / lasers have u operated????? cause ya know from the ones i ve used thats what they do. what did the ones u operated do????
and if u havent used one before then just plz stfu,
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What your a cop now? you dont even have a 6th gen celica you moron.

This post has been edited by madmods: Apr 29, 2005 - 2:19 AM

[darksecret]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.
[right][snapback]278751[/snapback][/right]

ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.
[right][snapback]279577[/snapback][/right]

sexycelica yer the biggest idiot 2 come on these boards get yer facts straight before you shoot yer bs
[right][snapback]279613[/snapback][/right]

hmm lets see how many radar / lasers have u operated????? cause ya know from the ones i ve used thats what they do. what did the ones u operated do????
and if u havent used one before then just plz stfu,
[right][snapback]279859[/snapback][/right]

SexyCelica is right there is no good way to beat radar and there is no way to beat Lidar. Even the Valentine1 system can't beat it, even though they claim it, Mythbusters did a test a couple of months ago and tried a number of items and the best the Valentine1 system could do was jam a signal and report back a much higher speed than you were actually doing. The tester was doing 40 and the radar topped out.

[darksecret]

So did that sound Ignorant? Im sure it did. Guess what? it sounds JUST as ignorant when people say they have a right to play the race card... You end up looking just as stupid as the person who supposedely judges you... making assumpions about why things happen to only YOU and playing it off because "im not white" is idiotic... And a quick question- Since when does geography dictate how good of a driver you are? Im just curiois, because im ASSUMING that it prolly works just like how female drivers always are horrible drivers
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Actually that wouldn't suprise me at all if a cop pulled somebody for their music and style, look at Mischief Destroy, they pulled a Ferrari F50 for 70 in a 65 because he was driving an F50 and got it on film. They were also pulling an Audi over constantly and everyone else was doing the same speed, why the Audi, why not the rig that was in front of him, it's all on film though. You didn't sound like an a** making that statement because maybe the cop was homophobic, most people of authority (police, military) tend to be Republican and the Republican view is that homosexuality is wrong, anyways the cop found a reason to pull you over but maybe 5 over wasn't his real reason, problem is it happens.

The geography doesn't dictate how good of a driver I am, it dictates that we have a lot of ways to learn how to drive and race since Charlotte is the racing capital of the US, but that wasn't what I was trying to say, it's that NC is so bent on trying to be up California's a** that everytime they come out with a new law we have to adopt it, when San Diego police went on a rampage pulling over everyone with an aftermarket exhaust, NC did the same thing, h*** we have our own anti-street racing task force consisting of a number of performance cars to go out and street race against people, I just feel sorry for the person crossing the street when one of those idiots hits them trying to get a Hyundai Excel to run them on the busiest highway in the state. Ask easternpiro1 about rules that we use, after a run he came back doing almost 60 and I wanted to rip him a new one for it, what if someone walked across he could have hit them, I couldn't do anything though because I didn't organize that event, everyone else does about 35 coming back and when they get to the starting line they slow to about 10-15 just like pulling through a parking lot. Everyone assumes that people die in organized street racing, you know so and so died due to a street racing related accident, but they couldn't tell you about the thousands of other event going on the same night, most of the street racing death stories come from kids that had their parents buy them some IS300 or STi and they think they're Andreti getting on the highway trying to race everybody, I want the cops to bust them, they're racing in a very populated area being stupid, around here people love to cut others off and people love to tailgate so that's why I keep it off the main road, not to mention that unless you live in the same city a federal politician our roads look like a**.

[SexyCelica]

well i can talk to whoever i want and u seemed to have the stupidest most ignorant response so i picked u. and i really hope somethin bad happens to you and no one helps.
good luck with life


What are you some lonely prick? Just for making your comment about something bad happening to me, the laws of karma are going to 3-fold that on you.
[right][snapback]278751[/snapback][/right]

ahahah something bad happening to you??? omg some one talked to ur girlfriend OMG!!! do u want victim councilling??????


Whoever said somethin about the laser... if u see them they ve already tagged u,, if u have a detector their radar gun reads error and they pull u over cause then they know u have a detector or jammer. thus dont be stupid and u wont get pulled over simple as that.
[right][snapback]279577[/snapback][/right]

sexycelica yer the biggest idiot 2 come on these boards get yer facts straight before you shoot yer bs
[right][snapback]279613[/snapback][/right]

hmm lets see how many radar / lasers have u operated????? cause ya know from the ones i ve used thats what they do. what did the ones u operated do????
and if u havent used one before then just plz stfu,
[right][snapback]279859[/snapback][/right]

What your a cop now? you dont even have a 6th gen celica you moron.
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ive done training with them numptard and how do u know what i drive??? and it doesnt matter, this about cops and how people are sometimes ignorant when it comes to cops,

so what only u can have an opinion oh great one?!?!?

nice post seleeka- that was probably the most impacting reply
read it and think about it,

[Andason]

You'll be quick to learn Andason that I can be just as relentless, I don't pull the race card about indians, most indians don't, but they have a right to because we didn't get taken from our land and brought here, we were here first and were slaughtered for it. Don't try to pull that "the indians fought back " crap either, there was only one hostile tribe in the state of North Carolina and a handful on the East Coast.

Did you get YOUR land taken away? End of story. OMG PEOPLE TOOK OUR LAND IN A WAR!!! Now they are going to give us reparations. WE HAVE IT SO BAD! If anything Indians have it better than whites. I have Ho-Chunk friends who get 20,000 a year just for being 1/4 Indian. Must be rough.

Are you trying to say cops can be trained street racers, you're B/Sing me, so what do they do sit behind the station and practice burnouts, you're putting your foot in your mouth saying it's all right for cops to do it and not a normal person can't, and yes I have plenty of experience racing (hello this is Charlotte: Lowe's, the Rock, hell all we need is a dog track and we'll have them all) and yes for a small price you can run on any of the tracks around here. I can tell you haven't got any experience in racing, just because people who do aren't against it as much as you. I've seen the stats on street racing deaths in Charlotte and I stand a better chance of getting struck by lightning.

I do not know why you are SET in this corrupt cop business. Yup, cops just hop in a car and they are ready to hit the streets. They have training courses in cars. I don't have any experience in racing. I do not really care either. I do not care what your "statistics" are. ONE DEATH FROM SOMETHING AS STUPID AS STREET RACING IS ONE TOO MANY. Once again, when the irony occurs of you having someone close die because of some idiot racer let me know how you feel about your precious street racing.

You come from halfway across the country talking like you know North Carolina law because you are trying to get a piece of paper saying you know a little about law,(there's more than one way to learn about law), and you're no lawyer and you're no judge,  I see what goes on in court because of a ticket or to report a break in that our wonderful police department can't seem to deal with since East Charlotte is such a s*** hole trying to stop all those teenagers from taking the last dounut at Krispy Kreame. You check this place out one time, car thefts and murder has gone up, but they sure as h*** won't let the speeders get away since 1 out of every 120,000 speeders actually causes a serious accident.

Once again, ONE TOO MANY DEATHS. Have you ever had someone close to you die over something stupid? A drunk driver? Etc? I am far more educated about law. You may think you are just a super great person but you couldn't explain anything. It's the internet... I have my JD. I have 5 doctorates. You can say what you want to, but your speech is not really backing up your words. I see no evidence of any post education and quite honestly your arguements are very pathetic.

I won't admit i'm wrong for the simple fact that maybe one day it will catch up with me and maybe I'LL be killed by running into a 3" curb in a street race (sarcasm people)

Wow, I find your sarcasm sooooo funny. I could say the genocide of Indians was funny. How does that sound? I'm sure someone has died that way so it isn't too fun to joke around with.

Listen pull your head out of Bushs' a** and open your eyes, this world isn't perfect and you're the only one who seems to think that cops are perfect and if you get a ticket you did something wrong, even people who are against me make good points, but you seem to be stuck on there's no such thing as racist cops, and if you street race you will kill yourself and somebody, forums are about opinions and you won't change mine regardless and you still haven't proven me wrong because I know street racing is wrong and a couple hundred people in this world have died this year because of it, hell Bush was wrong for attacking Iraq and killing thousands of innocent people, but we'll just call the schools and homes collateral damage so it doesn't sound like genocide.

I love it. Have you heard of the liberation of Iraq? I have many friends over there who actually work with these people. Do you work with these people? No. I love it how people complain about this "war" and how people are dying while they sit on their ass and get fatter. Everyone seems to forget the fact that these people who are dying SIGNED UP FOR THE MILITARY. They signed a paper saying "I will fight for my country and will die for it." No one forced them. Please remember that Bush isn't killing these people. Sort of like the saying "guns don't kill people, people kill people." I also love it how you go for the Bush kill. I agree with what he is doing, he didn't do it in the most clean way, but he got away with it. You can thank him for taking Saddam out of power later when you aren't paying 5 dollars a gallon for gasoline.

See I care if someone dies if I race and that is why it's called organized street racing, and yes there is a risk in doing it, but there is also a risk going to Pageland drag strip 15 minutes south and you do a bracket race against a 12 second car and they roll it halfway down the track hitting you and since Pageland's only rule is you must wear some form of helmet, they lose their life because they have no roll cage since it isn't required and you lose yours because there is no barrier between you and the opponent. When you move to this area and spend a few years here, check out a couple of the organized street races to see that we do have our own set of rules, and spend about 50+ hours in a North Carolina courtroom then come talk to me about things being perfect.
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Wow 50+ hours in a court room. You are hardcore. I think I spent 50+ just on my Mock Trial class. Add in about 20 more relevant classes and about 300 more hours and I might show respect. Fifty hours in a courtroom? Who are you? Michael Jackson? Fifty hours on the defensive isn't very impressive and you shouldn't be too happy to say that you have spent 50 hours in a courtroom. Oh, wait, this is the internet. I have spent 194,035,034 hours in a courtroom.

Show me your VAST knowledge of the law.

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[darksecret]

First off nothing you've said about law has anything to do with North Carolina law my time in a courtroom has been in a NC courtroom with NC judges and NC lawyers, I don't know anything about the great state of Wisconsin and the laws there, you're telling me you spent all those hours in court just proved to me you know nothing about North Carolina law since Wisconsin schools don't have a need to study NC law, and besides you study Criminal Justice, we get credits for that in high school, what are in community college.

Yes you're right about the reparations our people get a whole $2,000 a year and we were involved with the Trail of Tears, nobody took my land or anything indian related from me and that is why I don't say anything about racism and haven't lost anything and the only comment is I could pull the card if I wanted, but why should I. I can tell you're a bigot for the simple fact that you disregard the fact that I was in the Marines 2nd CEB (for you simple minded folk, that's Combat Engineer Battalion), they pulled me because of my reddish skin not because i'm indian, and that my state laws and police force differ from Wisconsin, but you act like Wisconsin is the standard. I could do the same thing by saying how would you know anything about law when your cases consist of "my brother slept with my 14 year old daughter and now she is giving birth to my nephew", I know that was cold but like I said I know nothing of Wisconsin same as you don't know anything of North Carolina, I see the crap that goes on here, you don't, it's that simple, we don't have regular deaths due to street racing, h*** we don't have one that I can remember (this is organized that i'm talking about, if a kid gets himself killed trying to race home from school that's just stupid), yeah one death is too many then I guess they should disband all police forces across the nation since Kim Medlin was murdered by Officer Josh Griffin of the Monroe Police Dept., and don't pull that we need police and not street racing crap either. Street racing has been around forever and if it wasn't for that motorsports wouldn't be where they're at, we wouldn't want a turbo to slap on the 5S or have a use for the 3S, yeah you could go to the track, then everyone plays by the rules and goes to a track and now you're sitting in this 2 hour line waiting for your one run down the track, then they build more tracks to compensate for everyone playing by the rules, but because of the noise ordinance they are stuck with limited room now this city has to shut down these tracks so that the development that just poped up down the street can have peace. What's the purpose of building a 400hp Corvette, Evo, or any powerful car for that matter, they know people are going to use that power and for the people that don't that's why they make a V6 Mustang and a GT, they also know that everyone with that power will not go to a track, because of the above statement. Let's go with a perfect world, in your case Andason, Wisconsin, alright what would happen if there were no street races and everyone followed the rules; first off they would want to race somewhere then like above they build more tracks, well if you've ever seen how big the race scene is there just isn't enough room to satisfy everyone, so those that don't feel like waiting a few hours to make one run on their only night off from work or something like that won't street race because this world (Wisconsin) is like a Walgreens commercial other than tracks can't fit on every corner and tracks aren't open 24 hours a day. Well these people that can't race feel that if they can't they don't need that kind of power if they can't use it, but 12,13, or 14 seconds a night, so they get rid of their performance machine and since tracks are only limited to the amount of people they can safely let race all of the people that can't race get rid of their cars too. Now you see where i'm going sales drop on performance cars and the automotive industry decides to quit making them because they can't cover the cost of production (good example is the Camaro/Firebird). Now if you do want a performance machine you are limited to a handful of cars that the tracks can support and the automotive and parts industries will suffer dramatically over this. It sounds far fetched because it's a snow ball effect, but it's highly possible if things were perfect and nobody street raced. This isn't some new problem that started with a movie, street racing is the reason why Chevy made the '55 Shoebox which created a huge market for the American V8. I don't like to see people bash street racing unless they know what goes on behind the news articles, and you Andason, keep telling me I sound ignorant about law, but I do know a little, you know nothing about street racing other than what the media states and of course they make it sound bad, news sales. I could go on about the Iraq thing because some of the Marines that worked for me are over there and I can relate when they say they feel like Mercs, they feel they aren't fighting for the US anymore, it's a money thing now and they hate the fact that while they sit there guarding some oil field so that Bush can make money off of it, they have to make their families suffer, read the friggin papers, people aren't re-enlisting, and if the draft starts back, while my a** is sitting there with my 240G waiting for those people we "liberated" to attack again, you tell me how it feels to be sitting in the middle of the desert with GRUNT (Ground Unit Untrained) training wishing you could go home and finish that CJ degree instead of sitting there maybe getting killed so Bush doesn't lose a couple million off of a damaged oil field.

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[SexyCelica]

yes andason that was awesome ahahahahhah who thought 50 hours in a court room was alot??? and was proud????

[darksecret]

Why do I need a vast knowledge of law I have a copy of the NC General Statutes sitting on my desktop, that's how I know that Ch.71A-3 states that Lumbee Indians became an actual tribe in 1977, but didn't get any reparations until 2001, prior to 1977 they were known as the Cherokee Indians of Robeson County or the Croatans. There are also no known laws to combat organized street racing in NC other than the typical Preemptive Racing law that we learn in driver's ed. Technically the punishment of getting your car empounded when getting busted would fall under chapter 8, but it only refers to witnesses, and paperwork, nothing about keeping a vehicle in an empound yard as physical evidence, but a photograph would work just fine. I can keep looking to see if I can find a real law against street racing but it might take a couple of days, or a bill to pass. Since you seemed to ignore me before Andason, I don't specialize in law, I took a Criminal Justice class in high school, I am a computer tech., you ask me why your computer won't boot and I can give you 10 reasons off the top of my head, just like if you don't know you probably look it up. Street racing is wrong, yes, is there any real laws against it, no. I can tell you the reasons I see, I don't go off what I hear, I go off what facts I can find, and I don't look for Bob's website of facts either, I look at reputable sites such as charlotte.com or ask Rhonda Miller who is a magistrate and my friend, when I stand there while my car is being searched at 11:30pm and ask the narc agents partner why and their only response is they're bored, it burns me up. You will not change my opinion and if I die in a street race I know I died doing what I loved, instead of taking a bullet to make a man a quick buck. I can already tell you're wanting to pull that you'll take someone with you crap, but as before there have been no fatalities due to organized street racing in Charlotte so you might have to wait a while before I tell you how it feels, but I can tell you now that if they died watching or racing, they knew the consequences and I wont have pity for them, you don't do it so don't bother responding about the street racing thing until you actually go out and get a few runs under your belt. You can check the NHTSA to find racing laws but remember most organized street races are held outside their jurasdiction and the records they have are based on the "high school kid racing home" B/S that is not organized street racing.

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First off nothing you've said about law has anything to do with North Carolina law my time in a courtroom has been in a NC courtroom with NC judges and NC lawyers, I don't know anything about the great state of Wisconsin and the laws there, you're telling me you spent all those hours in court just proved to me you know nothing about North Carolina law since Wisconsin schools don't have a need to study NC law, and besides you study Criminal Justice, we get credits for that in high school, what are in community college.
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Are you trying to say my program is worthless? What a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal. Law is generally the same regardless of state. They all generally require the same elements and the wording of the laws are different. Policing procedure is generally the same too because people don't expect to be treated a lot different just because they are in a different state. I was joking about the courtroom making fun of you because this is the internet and I can say whatever I want to in order to make my argument look better.

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I can tell you're a bigot for the simple fact that you disregard the fact that I was in the Marines 2nd CEB (for you simple minded folk, that's Combat Engineer Battalion),
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Wow, that makes you special. An engineer? You must have had barrages of bullets fired at you in the garage. Though an essential part of the military, you just keep the equipment running for the real heros. I have dozens upon dozens of friends stationed in different parts of Iraq (Samarra to name the worst) and I respect them much more because of what they do.
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you act like Wisconsin is the standard. I could do the same thing by saying how would you know anything about law when your cases consist of "my brother slept with my 14 year old daughter and now she is giving birth to my nephew", I know that was cold but like I said I know nothing of Wisconsin same as you don't know anything of North Carolina
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You are deeper south than I am buddy. If you want to look at politics look who went red and look who went blue. You act like NC is above the law, apparently NC is sovereign in creating their own extravagent laws. LAW IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE SAME WHERE YOU GO. Can you commit crimes in NC that you would get away with in WI or vice-versa? Yeah. Exactly.
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but because of the noise ordinance they are stuck with limited room now this city has to shut down these tracks so that the development that just poped up down
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Oh my God... you have NOISE ORDINANCES in NC????? WOW!

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Let's go with a perfect world, in your case Andason, Wisconsin, alright what would happen if there were no street races and everyone followed the rules
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That would be one step closer to utopia and keep idiots like you from abusing the power of their car and killing people. Tell me... what practical use does a 400 horsepower car have?
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the automotive and parts industries will suffer dramatically over this. It sounds far fetched because it's a snow ball effect, but it's highly possible if things were perfect and nobody street raced.
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Wow, you can't possibly be serious. Have you ever not had a car for a few days? Imagine riding your bike to work every day. Automobiles will still be needed and thriving. I don't know about you but your precious massive displacement automobiles are becoming less and less popular and are dying in the market because of gas prices.

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keep telling me I sound ignorant about law, but I do know a little, you know nothing about street racing other than what the media states and of course they make it sound bad, news sales.
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Yeah, because we don't have street racing in Wisconsin. Please list me how street racing benefits society and our community. Your suffered automotive loss argument has already failed.
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I could go on about the Iraq thing because some of the Marines that worked for me are over there and I can relate when they say they feel like Mercs, they feel they aren't fighting for the US anymore, it's a money thing now and they hate the fact that while they sit there guarding some oil field so that Bush can make money off of it, they have to make their families suffer, read the friggin papers, people aren't re-enlisting, and if the draft starts back, while my a** is sitting there with my 240G waiting for those people we "liberated" to attack again, you tell me how it feels to be sitting in the middle of the desert with GRUNT (Ground Unit Untrained) training wishing you could go home and finish that CJ degree instead of sitting there maybe getting killed so Bush doesn't lose a couple million off of a damaged oil field.
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Once again, you sat in a garage. MECHANIC. My friends are all INFANTRY. They make fun of you all day about how you complain how bad you have it. They do not complain why they are there because they know they are helping. You complain cuz you sit in a garage all day.

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Why do I need a vast knowledge of law I have a copy of the NC General Statutes sitting on my desktop, that's how I know that Ch.71A-3 states that Lumbee Indians became an actual tribe in 1977, but didn't get any reparations until 2001, prior to 1977 they were known as the Cherokee Indians of Robeson County or the Croatans.
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WOW. I have a copy of every states statutes sitting at my fingertips... it's called Findlaw.com.
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There are also no known laws to combat organized street racing in NC other than the typical Preemptive Racing law that we learn in driver's ed. Technically the punishment of getting your car empounded when getting busted would fall under chapter 8, but it only refers to witnesses, and paperwork, nothing about keeping a vehicle in an empound yard as physical evidence, but a photograph would work just fine. I can keep looking to see if I can find a real law against street racing but it might take a couple of days, or a bill to pass.
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It falls somewhere under "reckless endangerment, reckless driving" catagory. Look that up in your statutes.
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Since you seemed to ignore me before Andason, I don't specialize in law, I took a Criminal Justice class in high school, I am a computer tech., you ask me why your computer won't boot and I can give you 10 reasons off the top of my head, just like if you don't know you probably look it up.
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Where did you go? Boot camp? Yeah once again, you sit there in air conditioning at a computer and get fatter while cops are in -32 below weather helping people out.
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Street racing is wrong, yes, is there any real laws against it, no. I can tell you the reasons I see, I don't go off what I hear, I go off what facts I can find, and I don't look for Bob's website of facts either, I look at reputable sites such as charlotte.com or ask Rhonda Miller who is a magistrate and my friend, when I stand there while my car is being searched at 11:30pm and ask the narc agents partner why and their only response is they're bored, it burns me up.
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They say they are bored to not come out with the obvious. They aren't going to say we are looking for narcotics.
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You will not change my opinion and if I die in a street race I know I died doing what I loved, instead of taking a bullet to make a man a quick buck.
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You aren't the person I am worried about. It is the person who you hit who doesn't like street racing and has a bright life ahead of them. You end it over your bloodsport.
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I can already tell you're wanting to pull that you'll take someone with you crap, but as before there have been no fatalities due to organized street racing in Charlotte so you might have to wait a while before I tell you how it feels, but I can tell you now that if they died watching or racing, they knew the consequences and I wont have pity for them, you don't do it so don't bother responding about the street racing thing until you actually go out and get a few runs under your belt.
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We were all 16 at one point. So what if there have been no deaths in Charlotte because of street racing? There have been deaths in other places and it is inevitable.
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You can check the NHTSA to find racing laws but remember most organized street races are held outside their jurasdiction and the records they have are based on the "high school kid racing home" B/S that is not organized street racing.
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No street racing is "organized." It is still illegal. Just because you can't find a direct law saying street racing is illegal you have to look at the elements. Speeding, Excessive Excelleration, Reckless driving, Reckless Endangerment, Possible vehicle code violations, etc. Think of how many laws you break on your next "run."

By the way.... who races an unmodified 6gc?


PS i dont know why the quotes didnt work... but you get the idea.

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Ok I ignored this thread for a while because it seems to be out of hand... but what i dont understand is why you would take the chance street racing.

Idk about other states but in NYS if you get caught it constitutes a misdemenor plue a fine up to $525.00... and if you get a second conviction within 12 months of the first violation you can be imprisoned for up to 6 months and fined up to $750.00. In my opinion I don't think its worth it.

Tell me if im wrong because i dont know much about racing... but aren't there enclosed race tracks where people can do this with out endangering other people? I'm pretty sure im right about that.

and just to add my two cents ( even though im sure its not welcome) The cops don't suck... yes there are some officers who aren't good cops... and yes some are racist... but im sure that the number is small compared to how many really do make a difference and do a good job. Maybe if people took repsonsibilty for when they do something wrong... the wouldnt think the cops suck...

Oh and Andason... are you studying to be a lawyer?... if your not... you should be. Just some imput from me, i listen to lawyers all day.

[Andason]

Oh and Andason... are you studying to be a lawyer?... if your not... you should be. Just some imput from me, i listen to lawyers all day.
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I'm considering law as a route. I have the LSAT in June so we'll see how I do there. Thanks for the encouragement

[ILuvMyCelica95]

Im studying to be a paralegal right now and i work in a law office. I really think you should go for your LSAT, and your welcome!

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Are you trying to say my program is worthless? What a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal. Law is generally the same regardless of state. They all generally require the same elements and the wording of the laws are different. Policing procedure is generally the same too because people don't expect to be treated a lot different just because they are in a different state. I was joking about the courtroom making fun of you because this is the internet and I can say whatever I want to in order to make my argument look better.

No your program means a lot to Wisconsin, but doesn't help much elsewhere, unless your studys are for federal law. If law was the same everywhere all lawyers could go to school and be able to work in any state, they have state specific lawyers for a reason, just like each state has it's own statutes. The laws derive from a similar source but if I get pulled in Virginia because of a radar detector I fall under Virginia law and it's illegal to have them, doesn't matter if i'm from North Carolina or not. Internet or not this place is a community and I have seen that you don't play well with others, especially Coomer. I feel everyone is entitled to an opinion and that is why I keep up this argument, you won't actually prove me wrong just like I wont actually prove you wrong, there will be people that go both ways, earlier you were acting borderline racist, I can tell by the way you defended, that you hate to see another race get ahead, with todays world I could care less what race they are, if they get ahead for no reason or have ample restitution and still complain then they need to go somewhere else.


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Wow, that makes you special. An engineer? You must have had barrages of bullets fired at you in the garage. Though an essential part of the military, you just keep the equipment running for the real heros. I have dozens upon dozens of friends stationed in different parts of Iraq (Samarra to name the worst) and I respect them much more because of what they do.

I take it you fall under that simple minded folk catagory, just like lawyers, engineers have different fields, mine was "combat" we were infantry with explosives, our job was to go into a city or enemy base before the infantry and blow the h*** out of it, we didn't build bridges or camps (that's Army CE's) we worked beside Marine Recon to give the enemy as much s*** as we could so that our "heros" wont get their a** shot off trying to infiltrate a base, an argument about the military is one you will definitly lose with me. You say you have dozens of friends at war, buddy I have people I lived with and treated as brothers that are there.


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You are deeper south than I am buddy. If you want to look at politics look who went red and look who went blue. You act like NC is above the law, apparently NC is sovereign in creating their own extravagent laws. LAW IS ALMOST ALWAYS THE SAME WHERE YOU GO. Can you commit crimes in NC that you would get away with in WI or vice-versa? Yeah. Exactly.

Like I said that was cold and I deserve that. If law was the same how can I commit a crime here that I can get away with there, doesn't that make them different. As far as voting it's all electoral vote anyway, and Bush proved in 2001 that voting is usless, also most people in the military are republican and we have four major military installations here each having a population almost the size of Charlotte, so it's a little one sided.


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Oh my God... you have NOISE ORDINANCES in NC????? WOW!

OMG... I bet most states have them in some form. It hinders track development leading to more street racing.


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That would be one step closer to utopia and keep idiots like you from abusing the power of their car and killing people. Tell me... what practical use does a 400 horsepower car have?

I found plenty of use for the 400 horses my truck had, won some cash in burnout contest (parking lot bet, not at a car show), never even hit a curb in it either much less a person.


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Wow, you can't possibly be serious. Have you ever not had a car for a few days? Imagine riding your bike to work every day. Automobiles will still be needed and thriving. I don't know about you but your precious massive displacement automobiles are becoming less and less popular and are dying in the market because of gas prices.

I didn't say it would be the end of the auto industry, bigot. My precious massive displacement automobile got a resonable 19mpg for 350ci (that's cubic inches) not good, but not bad. High displacement will be around as long as combustion engines are around, h*** the Celica GT is considered high displament for a 4 cylinder, look at the GTO and new Vette they get better mileage for displacement than most cars in there class, it's not like the Supra gets Prius mileage anyway.


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Yeah, because we don't have street racing in Wisconsin. Please list me how street racing benefits society and our community. Your suffered automotive loss argument has already failed.

Who are you to judge it failed it was a theory, you took what you wanted from that statement and went, gas skyrocketed in the '80s and the 350 made it through, h*** the 360 Magnum made it and it drinks gas. You probably don't have street racing in Wisconsin since you have uber-cops that don't let any crime happen and everyone just takes their punishment and are happy with it. What does skateboarding benefit people get hurt and killed, in the '80's and '90's it was the biggest problem in cities, street racing is just modern day skateboarding, people wont accept it until they block off the streets and have an all day event open to anyone wanting to run, it's different than drag racing, there is a different atmosphere at a street race, in drag it's like being at a NASCAR race, and gets boring after a while, you tend to know who might win since they basically announce all your mods and power levels. Street racing will never be on the list of high school sports, but what purpose does drag racing provide, people die in other sports just as easily as street racing, in a lot of cases legal drag racing is more dangerous than street racing, I would much rather be the opponent of a guy who only gets to 60 in 5 or 6 seconds than one that gets to 150 in that and if I don't want to run the 150mph guy I can take myself to another track if it didn't take 2 hours and by the time I got there it was closed, it's not like we plot a road course through Charlotte, this isn't a video game


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Once again, you sat in a garage. MECHANIC. My friends are all INFANTRY. They make fun of you all day about how you complain how bad you have it. They do not complain why they are there because they know they are helping. You complain cuz you sit in a garage all day.

If they think they're helping they work for the wrong people, you said before if Saddam was still power gas would be around $4 a gallon then why didn't he just jack up prices after the Gulf War, he had the opportunity, even better why did gas stay low when he was there, but as soon as election season was over it shot up. Your friends must be in the Army, they wouldn't know what a Marine Combat Engineer was if we shoved a claymore up their a**,Army Combat Engineers are the equivalent of the Marines Engineer Support Battalion (i.e. civil engineers) and what would anyone that shoots a gun with both eys open know about combat anyway, you can tell your friends that when the Army lets them shoot at targets more than 300m away and know what it actually feels like to be in chamber full of nerve gas (I was an NBC decon agent when needed) then they can talk about how bad they have it compared to a Marine, a standard Marine trains with Rangers on a regular basis, a lot of them are good, well cut soldiers, but the grunts the Army has are a bunch of slobs and they need to worry more about training than when their next leave day is.


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WOW. I have a copy of every states statutes sitting at my fingertips... it's called Findlaw.com.

You just asked for my vast knowledge of law and with the wonderful world wide web it's as much knowledge as my fingers want and seeing that I do spend a lot of time online since I do specialize in computers I tend to know what can be reliable and what isn't.


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It falls somewhere under "reckless endangerment, reckless driving" catagory. Look that up in your statutes.

Don't need to, i've been charged before and it's just as easy to get out of it as a speeding ticket. That still doesn't state that there is no law prohibiting street racing with a clear punishment. People getting their cars impounded is on the discretion of the court not the law. Both of those charges are treated the same in court and have nothing to do with street racing directly, you could run a stoplight at a busy intersection and the cop has every right to give you a reckless ticket, you could back to far into a handycap sign and knock it over and the cop has the same right and could also arrest you for destruction of government property, it's up to the officer to judge people as they see fit.


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Where did you go? Boot camp? Yeah once again, you sit there in air conditioning at a computer and get fatter while cops are in -32 below weather helping people out.

It doesn't get -32 in North Carolina and most places where it does get that cold people are to busy freezing their a** off to cause any trouble (you ever hear of a serious crime come out of Alaska), I weigh 150lbs. and can run as long you want me to (remember I was a Marine), yeah boot camp you wouldn't know anything about that, I served my time.


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They say they are bored to not come out with the obvious. They aren't going to say we are looking for narcotics.

They didn't have to say that they were looking for narcotics they are narc agents, of course it's obvious what they searched for and all they found were tools, they said they were bored because the only narcotics being run through this area are on rigs and run outside of town to avoid the narcs so they had nothing to do.


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You aren't the person I am worried about. It is the person who you hit who doesn't like street racing and has a bright life ahead of them. You end it over your bloodsport.

Bloodsport, man this isn't a friggin movie, people who box shed blood all the time but it's perfectly fine for two people to beat the crap out of each other as long as the government makes a cut of the profits. There you go again "if I race i'll kill someone", like I said I stand a better chance of being struck by lightning than hitting someone in an organized street race, highway running is another story but those are very far and few between. Organized races are held away from the main roads where people don't just pop out of nowhere, usually when someone dies in a race it's a driver, passenger, or spectator and they know the probible consequences.


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We were all 16 at one point. So what if there have been no deaths in Charlotte because of street racing? There have been deaths in other places and it is inevitable.

If I hear of a death in Charlotte that will be, wow 1 in how many thousands of races performed. I know there have been deaths in other places, and just like Wisconsin doesn't have crooked cops doesn't mean it doesn't exist somewhere.

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No street racing is "organized." It is still illegal. Just because you can't find a direct law saying street racing is illegal you have to look at the elements. Speeding, Excessive Excelleration, Reckless driving, Reckless Endangerment, Possible vehicle code violations, etc. Think of how many laws you break on your next "run."

By the way.... who races an unmodified 6gc?

Then tell that to Fox News and the rest of the country since something illegal isn't organized, better hope someone from the mob doesn't read this. Of course there is organized street racing, what is it when a group of people get together choose a racing spot, go there choose the racers and set the rules, is it random occurance that everyone met at the same location at the same time and that they hauled a** down the same stretch of road beside each other and one just dropped a couple hundred and the other happened to find it, why do you think there is that little moving violation called pre-emptive racing (the only true law against racing, and it's a slap on the wrist), d*** Andason I know you study law and you put up a good fight but come on that was ignorant. By the way my favorite loophole when at a street race and the cops show up is when our spotter tells us they're on the way and everyone just stops the racing and just sits there talking, the worst that can happen by law is Loitering or Trespassing, because the cops can't prove anything regardless of what they know went on, and since we know most of the runners it's hard to sneak an undercover to prove it. I do, and the screenname says it all (ask easternpiro1 I can hold my own against some decent cars, not an Evo or nothing, but I give Si's s***) who would race a 12 second car on a track made for 5 second cars, besides i've given my fair share of a** whoopins' with my truck, people still don't understand why I got rid of it.

This post has been edited by darksecret: May 6, 2005 - 1:10 PM

[dustin15brown]

damn, everyone just needs to settle down