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well i gutted everything from my front seats back
every plastic, foam, nut and bolt that i could remove i did..... slapped on my 14s dropped down the air pressure and put on my AEM cai and my time went from a 18.1 second to a 17.4 second tonight my launch was pretty good hopped for a few feet but it pulled really strong and did well i think oh and i saw a 6gc GT about 6 cars infront of me he ran a 17.3 woot my ST is .1 behind! This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 18, 2005 - 1:14 AM |
Jun 18, 2005 - 7:08 AM
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Jun 18, 2005 - 9:02 AM
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i thnk its kind of funny that when a turbo/swaped celica runs low 14s people say its slow and when when an st runs mid 17s people cheer him on ...lol ...good job! woot!
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Jun 18, 2005 - 9:11 AM
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lol..... good job~ woot~
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Jun 18, 2005 - 11:47 AM
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thats amazing, good to know i can go in the 17's lolol...
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Jun 18, 2005 - 12:40 PM
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i did a 17.6 slip to prove with 18 inch wheels and full system... what you think i do with 14s on????
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Jun 18, 2005 - 2:34 PM
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 18, 2005 - 6:02 AM) well i gutted everything from my front seats back every plastic, foam, nut and bolt that i could remove i did..... slapped on my 14s dropped down the air pressure and put on my AEM cai and my time went from a 18.1 second to a 17.4 second tonight my launch was pretty good hopped for a few feet but it pulled really strong and did well i think oh and i saw a 6gc GT about 6 cars infront of me he ran a 17.3 woot my ST is .1 behind! [right][snapback]300859[/snapback][/right] a gt manual should be 1 sec, or close, faster than that looks like it was an auto This post has been edited by HaRv3sTeR: Jun 18, 2005 - 2:35 PM |
Jun 18, 2005 - 2:58 PM
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This chearing over the 17 second anything is bull crap. This is why imports get such a bad name. Guys running low 17's and thinking their doing great. Putting on the bodykits and the bigwheels to make it look like a race car, and then your gutting it and running mid 17's? Makes me sick.
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Jun 18, 2005 - 3:22 PM
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lol our car's are so slow.
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Jun 18, 2005 - 4:04 PM
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 18, 2005 - 7:58 PM) This chearing over the 17 second anything is bull crap. This is why imports get such a bad name. Guys running low 17's and thinking their doing great. Putting on the bodykits and the bigwheels to make it look like a race car, and then your gutting it and running mid 17's? Makes me sick. [right][snapback]300990[/snapback][/right] -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
92 Civic hatch B16 - Sold 10th anniv RX-7 - RIP The Slow Celica - Sold...and then crushed crushed due to street racing. Quote from Seinfeild: George's Boss reading a magazine: "People magazine's most beautiful people. Oh and a Celica...nothin wrong with that!" |
Jun 19, 2005 - 3:55 PM
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if any of you N/A can do better than do it .... otherwise let us shine!!!
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Jun 19, 2005 - 5:24 PM
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QUOTE(Clement @ Jun 19, 2005 - 8:55 PM) if any of you N/A can do better than do it .... [right][snapback]301362[/snapback][/right] I already did. I have timeslips where I misshifted and still ran faster times -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
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Jun 19, 2005 - 10:29 PM
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QUOTE(HaRv3sTeR @ Jun 18, 2005 - 2:34 PM) QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 18, 2005 - 6:02 AM) well i gutted everything from my front seats back every plastic, foam, nut and bolt that i could remove i did..... slapped on my 14s dropped down the air pressure and put on my AEM cai and my time went from a 18.1 second to a 17.4 second tonight my launch was pretty good hopped for a few feet but it pulled really strong and did well i think oh and i saw a 6gc GT about 6 cars infront of me he ran a 17.3 woot my ST is .1 behind! [right][snapback]300859[/snapback][/right] a gt manual should be 1 sec, or close, faster than that looks like it was an auto [right][snapback]300981[/snapback][/right] sorry my friend it was manual QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 18, 2005 - 2:58 PM) This chearing over the 17 second anything is bull crap. This is why imports get such a bad name. Guys running low 17's and thinking their doing great. Putting on the bodykits and the bigwheels to make it look like a race car, and then your gutting it and running mid 17's? Makes me sick. [right][snapback]300990[/snapback][/right] hey i'm not cheering i'm just marking the note of an improvement and imports don't get a bad name cause some run 17s and think they are doin great but i mean come on its where we start and anything better then the starting point is sumthing to be happy about....who said i'm trying to look like a race car? and i never said i was running with big wheels where did you find that i ran with 14s on and a bodykit so what i like it if you don't eh i don't care oh and for all those wondering.........this is just to get a bench mark idea of where i'm starting hopefully i'll be dropping a few seconds off this time shortly |
Jun 19, 2005 - 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 19, 2005 - 11:29 PM) hey i'm not cheering i'm just marking the note of an improvement and imports don't get a bad name cause some run 17s and think they are doin great but i mean come on its where we start and anything better then the starting point is sumthing to be happy about....who said i'm trying to look like a race car? and i never said i was running with big wheels where did you find that i ran with 14s on and a bodykit so what i like it if you don't eh i don't care [right][snapback]301516[/snapback][/right] Do you know why people started putting the body kits on and the big wheels? It's to make them look like racecars. Same reason people put the big wings on, but body kits and big wheels are found much more acceptable for some reason. You've got that thing bagged, don’t you? And I know you've got a body kit. And I think you're running 17s-18s normally. I bet you've got a loud "race inspired" exhaust too. About the wheel thing, there are plenty of lightweight, and better choices to make your car handle better. Same thing goes for the body kit. They are race inspired and with the right one you can reduce drag and increase down force, and exactly the same for a good wing. But you don't need any of those if your running above a 14sec max in the quarter, I guess maybe a 15. People laugh at imports, because most think they're dumb, and do stupid things to their cars. People just assume that because I drive and import, I like systems and big shiny wheels. I'm trying to change this image, but having a difficult time due to the abundance of ricers. Your just as bad as any ricer I've ever seen, and you give imports a bad name. I've seen your headlight conversion, and the money you've spent on your car. This doesn’t exclude you, it just makes you a ricer with talent and money. Note to all: I'm sorry about being so mean. I make a point to never say mean things to people, but I feel I've been pushed to the edge. That, and I'm at my parents house visiting for a bit, and I'm cranky. I know I'll feel bad about saying these things once I've gotten home and relaxed. But right now, I feel it needs said. EDIT: Heck, I'm sorry now. I've got pinned up rage against all kinds of import drivers and I seem to be taking it out on playr158. Just to let you know it's not as personal as it sounds playr. This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jun 19, 2005 - 11:07 PM -------------------- Live Free, Be Happy
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Jun 19, 2005 - 11:21 PM
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haha nah its all good i can take the opinion i mean i don't expect everyone to like what i do....
but lets clear it up piece by piece "You've got that thing bagged," ~nope coilover and shocks "you're running 17s-18s normally" ~ 14s have now become the "normal" and strip use rims and my 18s are just there too look nice when i wana go out sumwhere "I bet you've got a loud "race inspired" exhaust too" ~ not really loud its the quietest one i've had so far and its dual (yea ricey i know) and not race inspired lol mostly just cause i like the even balanced look and dual exhaust made it look nice...and by no means race inspired but did help performance a little..and thank god for the silencers you can hear it but its one of the more quiet ones and i still need to put my resonator back in...freakin stupid mechanic took it out "Same thing goes for the body kit. They are race inspired and with the right one you can reduce drag and increase down force, and exactly the same for a good wing" ~how true you are too bad there arn't any wind tunnel tested kits for our car otherwise i woulda been all over it "This doesn’t exclude you, it just makes you a ricer with talent and money" ~ i've pretty much figured with all the bitching on the boards(meaning all import related forums) that ricer no longer means the kid with the coffee can (literally), park bench wing, and cut springs.....ricer now has become anyone who drives an import so eh.....ricer or not nobody really cares |
Jun 19, 2005 - 11:28 PM
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veilside wind tunnel test their kits
QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 20, 2005 - 12:21 AM) "Same thing goes for the body kit. They are race inspired and with the right one you can reduce drag and increase down force, and exactly the same for a good wing" ~how true you are too bad there arn't any wind tunnel tested kits for our car otherwise i woulda been all over it and Bigmeanbulldog55, for the most part I agree with you |
Jun 20, 2005 - 3:36 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^
I thought the same thing, it explains why they cost so much more. Man if you run mid 17s with a mostly stock gutted ST, I could probably do high 15's by shaving weight, i'm happy with low 16's and my cupholder though. |
Jun 20, 2005 - 3:53 PM
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nice dan, glad to hear you did so well at the tracks
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Jun 20, 2005 - 4:05 PM
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Whats ur 60 ft time and trap speed?
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Jun 20, 2005 - 4:09 PM
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i had a horrbile R/T @ .727
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Jun 20, 2005 - 4:18 PM
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With more practice you can probably get it down to high 16s.
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Jun 20, 2005 - 6:01 PM
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Oh wow, did I have a kid and not noticed it? BigBadbulldog (or whatever it is) I enjoy ur posts, you say what I'm thinking, b4 I can bitch at these kids.
And I think rice is easier to define these days. But everyone's opinion is different. Some are naturally attracted to rice and try to say there Read:Neons arent, they just 'look nice'. Obviously, there's a reason signal and hks arent putting neons on all there cars. Rice is mostly addition or changes to your car that do not make it: handle better, go fast, eaiser to control, more agressive performer,ect. So neons, stickers, unfunctional wing are some to name a few. But you have to fine the line and still please yourself, so it's diffacult. -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 20, 2005 - 9:09 PM) i had a horrbile R/T @ .727 60' @ 2.594 330' @ 7.309 1/8 @ 11.225 @ 62.77 mph 1000 @ 14.591 1/4 @ 17.427 @ 72.32 mph [right][snapback]301855[/snapback][/right] LOL ST's are slow. I saw a 4 door saturn run a 12s 1/8 mile with no mods and it was an auto. And yes I have an st. |
Jun 21, 2005 - 5:35 AM
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damn man I have a system in the back and havn't gutted anything and I get comparable times when im just messing around on backroads without any prep... Auto ST, and I havn't spent half the money you obviously have... Though, I don't go bragging about it, cause 17s is friggin slow. ST won't ever run fast unless you really poor some cash into it, and by the time you do be better off getting a GT and swappin for a 3sgte.
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Jun 21, 2005 - 10:29 AM
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I dont usually do this, but I gotta defend Playr here because alot of you seem to have ur head up ur ass. He didnt claim to be fast, he is merely saying with taking some stuff out and another run, he's 7/10s of a second faster. Thats a real improvement.
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Jun 21, 2005 - 10:44 AM
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Noooo why use a stop watch when you can count in your head... tha's the most accurate.... DUH!!!! lol
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QUOTE(Supersprynt @ Jun 21, 2005 - 10:29 AM) I dont usually do this, but I gotta defend Playr here because alot of you seem to have ur head up ur ass. He didnt claim to be fast, he is merely saying with taking some stuff out and another run, he's 7/10s of a second faster. Thats a real improvement. And I also dont know you you can compare a track time with "backroads." What are you using a stop watch? [right][snapback]302238[/snapback][/right] wow super defending me? thats pretty cool! thanks! QUOTE(dustin15brown @ Jun 21, 2005 - 10:44 AM) Noooo why use a stop watch when you can count in your head... tha's the most accurate.... DUH!!!! lol [right][snapback]302253[/snapback][/right] of course dustin! counting in your head is always the best way to go that way you can go into the 1 thousandths of a second for complete acuracy.....but if all else fails bubba says start on the walkie talkie then you mash the gas and bubba says time when ya pass'm and don't forget we measured it to be a complete 1/4 mile with a ruler |
Jun 21, 2005 - 11:46 AM
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Wow, even more bickering than when I left.
Props go to you for getting a better time than before. I'm sure if you plan on doing a 3SGTE swap you'll actually be able to run full interior and at least get a 14... I haven't seen one run at any of the tracks I've been at but I've seen one or two around... I don't say nothing about my times in the eclipse because they are horrible right now, but since its been fixed and tuned I'm sure I can run a decent time for an almost stock (except for supporting mods and the tune) GST. I'd much rather have a Celica with a 3S though... |
Jun 21, 2005 - 11:49 AM
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Personally, I'd just like to see some more people at the track. Theres a thing called "just for fun" so just because he doesnt have a 13sec car doesnt mean he cant have fun and practice with what he has. This is my point.
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 19, 2005 - 11:05 PM) QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 19, 2005 - 11:29 PM) hey i'm not cheering i'm just marking the note of an improvement and imports don't get a bad name cause some run 17s and think they are doin great but i mean come on its where we start and anything better then the starting point is sumthing to be happy about....who said i'm trying to look like a race car? and i never said i was running with big wheels where did you find that i ran with 14s on and a bodykit so what i like it if you don't eh i don't care [right][snapback]301516[/snapback][/right] Do you know why people started putting the body kits on and the big wheels? It's to make them look like racecars. Same reason people put the big wings on, but body kits and big wheels are found much more acceptable for some reason. You've got that thing bagged, don’t you? And I know you've got a body kit. And I think you're running 17s-18s normally. I bet you've got a loud "race inspired" exhaust too. About the wheel thing, there are plenty of lightweight, and better choices to make your car handle better. Same thing goes for the body kit. They are race inspired and with the right one you can reduce drag and increase down force, and exactly the same for a good wing. But you don't need any of those if your running above a 14sec max in the quarter, I guess maybe a 15. People laugh at imports, because most think they're dumb, and do stupid things to their cars. People just assume that because I drive and import, I like systems and big shiny wheels. I'm trying to change this image, but having a difficult time due to the abundance of ricers. Your just as bad as any ricer I've ever seen, and you give imports a bad name. I've seen your headlight conversion, and the money you've spent on your car. This doesn’t exclude you, it just makes you a ricer with talent and money. Note to all: I'm sorry about being so mean. I make a point to never say mean things to people, but I feel I've been pushed to the edge. That, and I'm at my parents house visiting for a bit, and I'm cranky. I know I'll feel bad about saying these things once I've gotten home and relaxed. But right now, I feel it needs said. EDIT: Heck, I'm sorry now. I've got pinned up rage against all kinds of import drivers and I seem to be taking it out on playr158. Just to let you know it's not as personal as it sounds playr. [right][snapback]301534[/snapback][/right] why r u on 6gc? the whole point of this place it to learn how to make our cars better looking and faster and to talk about it not to shut down our imports....imports are way more reliable than any other american car....if he wants big huge rediculous jet wings and dual exhaust go ahead man its his style This post has been edited by MonsterBOX: Jun 21, 2005 - 12:34 PM |
Jun 21, 2005 - 1:25 PM
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"I'm sure if you plan on doing a 3SGTE swap you'll actually be able to run full interior and at least get a 14... I haven't seen one run at any of the tracks I've been at but I've seen one or two around..."
well just so you know 3sgte isn't the only way to get into the 14s range..HA i'm not swapping i'm going turbo on my motor aka ST2 aka 7afte! but i'll for sure hit 14s if not 13s but hey who knows i don't even have the turbo on the motor yet we'll see when that goes on! |
Jun 21, 2005 - 2:12 PM
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What will a 3S-GE engine(Euro GT) supposed to run stock? Low 16s?
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I thnk Dave ran his and got low 14's I think. If I dont break into the mid-low 13's with the E153 LSD, W2AIC & 14lbs boost I'll be disappointed.
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QUOTE(Kadett @ Jun 21, 2005 - 3:12 PM) What will a 3S-GE engine(Euro GT) supposed to run stock? Low 16s? [right][snapback]302394[/snapback][/right] Maybe mid to high 15's if conditions are right. |
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QUOTE(MonsterBOX @ Jun 21, 2005 - 5:32 PM) QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 19, 2005 - 11:05 PM) QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 19, 2005 - 11:29 PM) hey i'm not cheering i'm just marking the note of an improvement and imports don't get a bad name cause some run 17s and think they are doin great but i mean come on its where we start and anything better then the starting point is sumthing to be happy about....who said i'm trying to look like a race car? and i never said i was running with big wheels where did you find that i ran with 14s on and a bodykit so what i like it if you don't eh i don't care [right][snapback]301516[/snapback][/right] Do you know why people started putting the body kits on and the big wheels? It's to make them look like racecars. Same reason people put the big wings on, but body kits and big wheels are found much more acceptable for some reason. You've got that thing bagged, don’t you? And I know you've got a body kit. And I think you're running 17s-18s normally. I bet you've got a loud "race inspired" exhaust too. About the wheel thing, there are plenty of lightweight, and better choices to make your car handle better. Same thing goes for the body kit. They are race inspired and with the right one you can reduce drag and increase down force, and exactly the same for a good wing. But you don't need any of those if your running above a 14sec max in the quarter, I guess maybe a 15. People laugh at imports, because most think they're dumb, and do stupid things to their cars. People just assume that because I drive and import, I like systems and big shiny wheels. I'm trying to change this image, but having a difficult time due to the abundance of ricers. Your just as bad as any ricer I've ever seen, and you give imports a bad name. I've seen your headlight conversion, and the money you've spent on your car. This doesn’t exclude you, it just makes you a ricer with talent and money. Note to all: I'm sorry about being so mean. I make a point to never say mean things to people, but I feel I've been pushed to the edge. That, and I'm at my parents house visiting for a bit, and I'm cranky. I know I'll feel bad about saying these things once I've gotten home and relaxed. But right now, I feel it needs said. EDIT: Heck, I'm sorry now. I've got pinned up rage against all kinds of import drivers and I seem to be taking it out on playr158. Just to let you know it's not as personal as it sounds playr. [right][snapback]301534[/snapback][/right] why r u on 6gc? the whole point of this place it to learn how to make our cars better looking and faster and to talk about it not to shut down our imports....imports are way more reliable than any other american car....if he wants big huge rediculous jet wings and dual exhaust go ahead man its his style [right][snapback]302327[/snapback][/right] Listen rook, we all have a right to be on here. And we all have a right to express our opinions. Ya don't like someone's opinion? Just bitch at em like everyone else does. This is not some middle school board where everyone has to be supportive toward eachother. -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 21, 2005 - 6:25 PM) "I'm sure if you plan on doing a 3SGTE swap you'll actually be able to run full interior and at least get a 14... I haven't seen one run at any of the tracks I've been at but I've seen one or two around..." well just so you know 3sgte isn't the only way to get into the 14s range..HA i'm not swapping i'm going turbo on my motor aka ST2 aka 7afte! but i'll for sure hit 14s if not 13s but hey who knows i don't even have the turbo on the motor yet we'll see when that goes on! [right][snapback]302363[/snapback][/right] Maybe you should fix your front end first. |
Jun 21, 2005 - 6:22 PM
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in the process of finishing the front i just have to wait for my new hinges to come in the boom should be ready to roll
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boy am i glad someone took up for MY HOMIE plyr! i havent been around in a while and i notice there are some haters here now i always thought 6gc was a community where we would beat up on the honda lovers and not each other. keep doing your thing plyr youre the one who puts gas in it so you could strap a hooker to the hood and for areodynamics and it would still be all good!
so big meanbastich, next time you want to bash someone, wipe youre arse because youre drooling from yer mouth. and if you dont know what i mean by that read between the lines... youre talking out of youre ARSE! sorry coomer... This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jun 21, 2005 - 10:32 PM -------------------- |
Jun 21, 2005 - 10:55 PM
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yo eastern, you da man. You is right foo, way to put these haters in their places. player's car is the dope shizzy cuz neons and supra headlights own all da ho's
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Jun 21, 2005 - 10:59 PM
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 18, 2005 - 3:58 PM) This chearing over the 17 second anything is bull crap. This is why imports get such a bad name. Guys running low 17's and thinking their doing great. Putting on the bodykits and the bigwheels to make it look like a race car, and then your gutting it and running mid 17's? Makes me sick. [right][snapback]300990[/snapback][/right] amen to that.... i love my celi and all, but its slow as crap, i wouldnt ever consider taking it to the track. -------------------- To live, is to suffer
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It's all about having fun man. Kinda like autoX... no-one expects to race autoX and then automatically qualify for club racing or Formula racing or something... It's all about having fun.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 1:43 AM
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QUOTE(Kwanza26 @ Jun 22, 2005 - 6:34 PM) It's all about having fun man. Kinda like autoX... no-one expects to race autoX and then automatically qualify for club racing or Formula racing or something... It's all about having fun. [right][snapback]302871[/snapback][/right] |
Jun 22, 2005 - 4:51 AM
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QUOTE(SlowCelica94 @ Jun 21, 2005 - 10:55 PM) yo eastern, you da man. You is right foo, way to put these haters in their places. player's car is the dope shizzy cuz neons and supra headlights own all da ho's eastern- please end yourself [right][snapback]302744[/snapback][/right] Dont mock me with IMPLICATING lingo you **** stain. I WILL have no problems ****ING YOU UP. few miles closer and i would be kicking your ASS BITCH. and how about you COME END ME. ****ER. THATS RIGHT...I SAID IT. WANT THE ADDY? HOMO? This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jun 22, 2005 - 6:59 AM -------------------- |
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Piro chill man, you'll get this thread locked talking like that, and as for bulldog and slow, so what if he ran 17's the ST is slow and he made a slow car faster than what it is, me and Kwanza were arguing like this a few days ago, it's not that he was prooving it was fast, even the GT-Four is slow as s*** compared to a friggin Lingenfelter Vette, who cares, he's getting there. At least he didn't say he slapped a TRD sticker on it and made it that much faster so quit acting like he's a ricer.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 11:30 AM
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only read the origional post. Lol, grats player
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Jun 22, 2005 - 12:06 PM
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I see alot of talk about how "street racing's gay," although I gurantee almost everyone who says that has done it, and its so lame and Playr goes to the track and runs a 1/4 mile and doesnt say wow its so fast only says look I did better and you guys talk sh!t? Thats so friggin hypocritical. So much trash talk from people who shouldnt be opening their mouths. I dont see any of you running your cars I dont see any of you doing anything to your cars worth a second look and your talking smack; unbelievable.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 12:43 PM
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I just want to say, Playr did do a lot better. That much of a decrease in time is great. But the fact still remains that a Celica is supposed to be a sports car. I'm not really one of those people who think if it doesn't make it perform better, then its rice. There are things that make the car nicer than don't make it faster. Leather seats for example. But it's true what I said earlier; the whole point of the body kits, big wheels, and wing was originally to make it look like a racecar. The whole fad got out of hand, and now there's cars out there that look like racecars but are purely for show. I'm a true sleeper fan; they're what I love. But I can stand a show-go car. But I just can't stand a car that looks like a racecar and is slow. Playr's time was an impressive improvement, but his car is still slow, and it has all that dress up stuff on it. To me, this isn't, nor has it ever been about Playr. This is about people who put these things on their cars, actually making them slower than they would be stock. Everyone has the right to do what he or she want, but it embarrasses me to be a Celica (or any Import) owner when they do these things. That's not saying that muscle car guys are any better. There's got to be some place I feel at home, right?
EDIT: I'm sorry I started all this fighting. I wish I never had. I'll continue to discuss it untill it's resolved as best as possable though. If you start it, you must finish it. Sorry again for starting though. This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Jun 22, 2005 - 12:44 PM -------------------- Live Free, Be Happy
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Jun 22, 2005 - 12:44 PM
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watch your language.
and piro, you are a hypocrite. you say celi owners should not hate on each other but look at what you have been saying. someone expressed their opinion and you jump all over them because it does not agree with your point of view QUOTE(easternpiro1 @ Jun 22, 2005 - 5:51 AM) Dont mock me with IMPLICATING lingo you **** stain. I WILL have no problems ****ING YOU UP.
few miles closer and i would be kicking your ASS BITCH. and how about you COME END ME. ****ER. THATS RIGHT...I SAID IT. WANT THE ADDY? HOMO? [right][snapback]302922[/snapback][/right] |
Jun 22, 2005 - 1:19 PM
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Seems you all need to get another hobby
There's a big difference between racing and driving fast. I drive almost a hundred miles a day - all PA turnpike. Almost everyday I have some idiot trying to slice and dice his way into traffic. 99% of the time they drive themselves into a traffic jam and I end up passing them anyway. If you try to measure your celica by your "off the line through 1/4 mile" speed/time - well then our cars suck - the real torque only kicks in past 3500 RPM - so Celica acceleration is in spurts,(especially us manual transmission folks) I haven't found many vehicles willing to keep up with me in that 80-110mph range. Many times it's because they don't have the power, but I'm sure many times it's that they are just pussys and are afraid to stay at 100 miles an hour for more than a few seconds. Just yesterday a 350Z and I were cruising - now this is a vehicle w/ 290HP and 0-60 in under 6 seconds. He had a very hard time leaving me in the dust, even with those stats vs. my 140HP GT. Bottom Line - we don't buy these vehicles for 1/4 mile speed, if you want that, you won't get this style, you won't get this gas mileage, and you'll have to get another car loan. |
Jun 22, 2005 - 2:11 PM
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Alright i've been out for a few hours, I fully agree with supersprynt about the street racing, most of the haters have or do race, i've seen a few cops around Charlotte that race, DOHC Neon (CMPD) from the underground racing forum runs an SRT-4 and Randy Braswell (NCHP) runs a Z24 and there is another who runs a Skyline but I never met him, he's with CMPD, of course they get to go to Raliegh and train on a closed road course so that makes it better. Ghostdog, to defend piro even though he did put his foot in his mouth, he did have a right to respond to sarcasm, I would have taken it and made a better response, but the post slow made was uncalled for also and it was obvious it implied something, all right bulldog, no prob a lot of people misunderstand when someone talks about the speed the Celica can go and I agree we got put in the same boat as the 240 guys, these cars are both sports cars with weak motors due to our original motors putting out as much emissions as a Dodge motor. Last one, CJOHNST3 lol, you are one of the few people that get what I meant about a 350Z having bad top end, I was in a Lancer OZ of all cars and I guess the 350 thought I was an Evo so he floored it when I got near him, I knew he would have killed the Lancer but I floored it to, we were doing 65 mph to begin with and when we finished we were at about 115-120 (Lancer tops at 135 so far, never pegged or hit rev limit not bad for 120 hp) anyways he was about 4-5 car lengths ahead, from a stop he would have been about 20.
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QUOTE(CJOHNST3 @ Jun 22, 2005 - 7:19 PM) If you try to measure your celica by your "off the line through 1/4 mile" speed/time - well then our cars suck - the real torque only kicks in past 3500 RPM - so Celica acceleration is in spurts,(especially us manual transmission folks) Just yesterday a 350Z and I were cruising - now this is a vehicle w/ 290HP and 0-60 in under 6 seconds. He had a very hard time leaving me in the dust, even with those stats vs. my 140HP GT. Bottom Line - we don't buy these vehicles for 1/4 mile speed, if you want that, you won't get this style, you won't get this gas mileage, and you'll have to get another car loan. [right][snapback]303056[/snapback][/right] Absolutly right. Even the 0-60 time is not impressive for me. But when you arer already driving @ a certain speed and at mid-high RPMS our cars are pretty fast. -------------------- JDM Powerplant installed, BPU coming very soon!
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350z leaving you in teh dust and very hard time seems to be a lil exaggeration. I've driven the 350z reguarly and taken it to 140, its not slow.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 3:59 PM
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I just said it had slow top end, it's a fast car but climbs slow, i've only driven the roadster and the G35.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 4:49 PM
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im NOT a hypocrite...im sticking up for a man that gave me a place to lay my head when i needed it...and i dont respond well to people giving me an INKLING of disrespect. get belittled, i respond back thats all...ask dark, im one of the most pleasant people you'll meet. but certain circumstances piss me off...thats all its all over no big deal. thas just how i react.
and the icing on the cake was him telling me to end myself...just had a friend who did....so i got vicious....ah well...im only half human This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jun 22, 2005 - 4:50 PM -------------------- |
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dang man, hope everything is alright.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 7:16 PM
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You're only half human? What's your other half? Icey hot stunna?
You get awfully upset for an internet forum. Chill Even if you are slow (and we all are) going to the track is great fun. And it helps get ur speed lust outta your system in a safe enviroment. I go to the track and run all the time. It's just for enjoying the sport. -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
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Jun 22, 2005 - 9:26 PM
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This whole topic just reminds me of heavy set girls wearing low-cut shirts. Sure, it could be just for fun, and make you feel better inside, but its still painful to watch for the rest of us. My *st*(edit) stays off the track, there are better ways for me to enjoy it than pretend I have something I don't.
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Jun 22, 2005 - 11:51 PM
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Kinda a funny analogy, but honestly, its a sport. So what ur not supposed to do something you like doing because ur cars not faster than other peoples? Thats not a good reason not to do it. To some people, a 13 second car is slow, so does that mean that they should not run it because someone somewhere thinks its slow.
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I say, if your car does 20sec in the quarter and you want to run it, then run it. That's fine with me. Just don't put a body kit and big wheels on it. To me, it's not about running a slow car in the quarter. It's about putting all that garb on it, and running it. And people calling anything above 15 seconds fast, but that hasn't really been an issue here.
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Jun 23, 2005 - 12:46 AM
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QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 23, 2005 - 12:09 AM) I say, if your car does 20sec in the quarter and you want to run it, then run it. That's fine with me. Just don't put a body kit and big wheels on it. To me, it's not about running a slow car in the quarter. It's about putting all that garb on it, and running it. And people calling anything above 15 seconds fast, but that hasn't really been an issue here. [right][snapback]303408[/snapback][/right] dude if you don't like the bodykits/rims/paint/intakes/exhaust/lowering springs/spoilers of sport compact group cars.....then stfu cause we dooon't care if people want it then who is to bitch cause it ain't your car and eastrn thanks alot for the back BRO! thats what its about you know you gotta place to chill when your up here! |
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 23, 2005 - 1:46 AM) QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 23, 2005 - 12:09 AM) I say, if your car does 20sec in the quarter and you want to run it, then run it. That's fine with me. Just don't put a body kit and big wheels on it. To me, it's not about running a slow car in the quarter. It's about putting all that garb on it, and running it. And people calling anything above 15 seconds fast, but that hasn't really been an issue here. [right][snapback]303408[/snapback][/right] dude if you don't like the bodykits/rims/paint/intakes/exhaust/lowering springs/spoilers of sport compact group cars.....then stfu cause we dooon't care if people want it then who is to bitch cause it ain't your car and eastrn thanks alot for the back BRO! thats what its about you know you gotta place to chill when your up here! [right][snapback]303422[/snapback][/right] Hey man, calm down. I'm just trying to make sure things are clear. I've got no problem with you as long as your doing the 7afte project. Congratulations on your improvement. I hope it continues. I also wish you would have done the turbo before the body kit and stuff. But as long as you don't intend on taking a sports car and putting all that stuff on it, and never making it faster and using it, then I have no problem. I do understand that it is your car and you can do what you want to it. But you're not only making yourself look dumb by doing things like that, you're taking a lot of others down with you. If enough people take something, and do it in an embarrassing way, then that thing will carry a negative connotation. I don't want this trend to continue. (again, not personally addressed to playr158) -------------------- Live Free, Be Happy
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QUOTE(playr158 @ Jun 23, 2005 - 5:46 AM) QUOTE(Bigmeanbulldog55 @ Jun 23, 2005 - 12:09 AM) I say, if your car does 20sec in the quarter and you want to run it, then run it. That's fine with me. Just don't put a body kit and big wheels on it. To me, it's not about running a slow car in the quarter. It's about putting all that garb on it, and running it. And people calling anything above 15 seconds fast, but that hasn't really been an issue here. [right][snapback]303408[/snapback][/right] dude if you don't like the bodykits/rims/paint/intakes/exhaust/lowering springs/spoilers of sport compact group cars.....then stfu cause we dooon't care if people want it then who is to bitch cause it ain't your car and eastrn thanks alot for the back BRO! thats what its about you know you gotta place to chill when your up here! [right][snapback]303422[/snapback][/right] Huh? what'd you saying? I don't speak stunna -------------------- NASA/SCCA RX-7....currently under the knife
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QUOTE(SlowCelica94 @ Jun 23, 2005 - 2:51 AM) Huh? what'd you saying? I don't speak stunna [right][snapback]303441[/snapback][/right] SlowCelica makes a very good point. Learn to speak English please. This is just one more thing that you are doing to shame yourself. How many successful or intelligent people do you see who speak this way? It has stupid, literally, written all over it. (Comment directed to all who feel the need to speak this way.) -------------------- Live Free, Be Happy
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Somebody lock this thread because you guys are ridiculous. First you attack the fact that his car isnt fast and shouldnt be running it because of that then say you shouldnt do a modifications because its not fast another ridiculous reason and then you attack the way he speaks which to me, wasnt even all that bad, and I'm a picky person. I know why Slow does it he's just an ass and me having to come to defend Playr well, its really throwing me for a loop.
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Alright someone says bro and you tell him to speak english, man there isn't a soul on this site that speaks proper english, he could mis-spell everything and put it in all caps and whore it up if he didn't want you to understand. As far as the body kit and bling, I don't care for it myself and when someone has a 4 cylinder with 2 6" exhaust tips coming out of the back I can't help but laugh, but how many Mustang V6's and 4 cylinder LX have I seen riding down the road with Saleen body kits and Cobra emblems, all show and no go. You mean to say that half the cars at HIN need to go home because a lot of cars have bling and body kits, I understand where you're coming from but it's not something to argue about since your not going change anything. BTW me and playr have had some differences (nothing more than difference of opinion) but it's great to see him pull his self out of that 7A hell and start crawling into 5S times without any real mods (makes me feel better that removing some weight can put me into SE-R Spec-V and Mazdaspeed Protege territory, i'm not that willing to give up my cupholder though) piro is a great guy we noramlly hang out (except for lately since my car is about as illegal as it can get right now) if you want to knock him for talking like a "stunna" (whatever the hell that is) you need to hear him in person, he doesn't talk like some sterotypical rapper, our area is filled with white, black, and hispanic people and the truth is I dated a white girl that talks more like a "stunna" than he does, so next time you knock someone for their slang make sure you don't understand a damn word that comes out of their... uh keyboard so that way you have an excuse.
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Jun 23, 2005 - 9:46 AM
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I think everything that needs to be said has been said. thread locked
and regarding the hypocrite comment. I mean you don't have to respond by insulting others. take the high road next time and counter with a logical argument or *gasp* just let it go. it is just the internet after all |
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