Do you like Bush?, After everything thats happened Options

[jojobombiest]

Looking at the way George Bush dealt with the whole hurricane disaster, do you like him as a president? I think he did a horrible job. I haven't done tons of research or anything but first of all it took him 5 days to get people food and water, and before he even stepped FOOT in new orleans. Remember the tsunami? He was helping out the very next DAY and he can't even do that in our own country. I was just watching the news and it was pissing me off when they showed a clip of him hugging some new orleans residents like he saved the day, so i had to make this poll.

[Pali_playa]

lol this just shows you how much he sucks as a prez. now i get to say i told you so to all the ignorant republicans

[BlackCelicaGT94]

Didnt like him before and dont like him now

[Digndoug]

I dont like any of them.. but I doubt Kerry wouldnt have done a better job.

All it is which dumbaarse do you want running things? The dumbarse we already know or the one we dont know.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Giant douche or a Turd Sandwich, which do you like best?
Southpark, Douche and Turd, aired 10/27/2004

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Sep 7, 2005 - 8:51 PM

[Digndoug]

Giant douche or a Turd Sandwich, which do you like best?
Southpark, Douche and Turd, aired 10/27/2004
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you said it..

[97lestyousay]

I dont like any of them.. but I doubt Kerry wouldnt have done a better job.

All it is which dumbaarse do you want running things? The dumbarse we already know or the one we dont know.
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You do realize this site is www so France may see Americas youth as...
Sorry I think this topic should be locked for security reasons imo.

[Supersprynt]

Please watch this.

Please dont say "Kerry wouldnt have done a better job." I hate stupid comments theres no way in hell you or anybody else knows this.

Bush isnt dealing with the situation, thats why its so bad.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 7, 2005 - 8:58 PM

[macavely]

if the world was a fair place .. some one would send a nice little projectal at his had that travels the speed of sound... his ego cause the death of thousands of people across the world.... i hope God has pitty on his soul ...cause i sure don't ... i see this country coming to its end soon

[Guest_DJMC_Celica_*]

My honest opinion, if you read a book that was based off the bible. It reads of hurricanes (mass wind tunnels) weather disaster, sinks city. Very interesting book is called "everything you thought you knew about the bible" I could care less, because of the way the "people" are handling it, (shooting at cops, rioting, fighting, killing) then they blame there behavior on reasons our goverment. Just another excuse for them to act like the normaly do! If god has a plan like he did for (Sauda and Guamora) (sp?) I pray that most of us are forgiven and the rest, well...oh well!

On a lighter note I LOVE FURRY BUSH (*)

[jojobombiest]

Please watch this.

Please dont say "Kerry wouldnt have done a better job." I hate stupid comments theres no way in hell you or anybody else knows this.

Bush isnt dealing with the situation, thats why its so bad.
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LOL! i love this line "if the american government had responded like walmart has responded, we wouldnt be in this chrisis" and i just finished reading the thread about everyone hating walmart. lmao thats hilarious. what a horrible government.

very sad video though....

This post has been edited by jojobombiest: Sep 7, 2005 - 9:11 PM

[tin_foil]

You guys are so f'd up! How the HELL can you blame Bush!? I don't care if you love him, or hate his guts, but this damn hurricane has nothing to do with him. If you watched the little clip that Supersprynt posted, it's exactly what I said. FEMA's screwed up, he said himself that "bureaucracy has commited murder", which I believe, but where the hell do you get the idea that Bush can control everything and call all the shots!? You guys obviously don't know the first thing about what the executive branch can really do at this point. Don't use this sad natural disaster as an excuse do curse Bush! I have yet to hear ONE of you guys say WHAT exactly you wish Bush had done instead. I suppose you think he could have gotten a WHOLE lot more done if he had been down there 2 days sooner wetting his boots and hugging people. Get realistic. If any of you think a President has a lot of power in situations like this, you need to go back to high-school and take government 101.

Sorry, I don't mean to get so upset. It just pisses the hell out of me when I hear stupid people talking like they're some expert, when they really don't have a clue how things work...

[97lestyousay]

Japanese truck, American flag, Hanford in background. Hanford is where they
made the uranium for nagasaki. So I guess things have a way of working out.
Think about, what he has to think about, could you do it? I couldn't. I can barely
handle the stress of working on a $20,000 part. wow I sound like dad.

[Supersprynt]

You guys are so f'd up! How the HELL can you blame Bush!? I don't care if you love him, or hate his guts, but this damn hurricane has nothing to do with him. If you watched the little clip that Supersprynt posted, it's exactly what I said. FEMA's screwed up, he said himself that "bureaucracy has commited murder", which I believe, but where the hell do you get the idea that Bush can control everything and call all the shots!? You guys obviously don't know the first thing about what the executive branch can really do at this point. Don't use this sad natural disaster as an excuse do curse Bush! I have yet to hear ONE of you guys say WHAT exactly you wish Bush had done instead. I suppose you think he could have gotten a WHOLE lot more done if he had been down there 2 days sooner wetting his boots and hugging people. Get realistic. If any of you think a President has a lot of power in situations like this, you need to go back to high-school and take government 101.

Sorry, I don't mean to get so upset. It just pisses the hell out of me when I hear stupid people talking like they're some expert, when they really don't have a clue how things work...
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Tin please go to the other thread where I explain exactly how Bush is directly responsible for the lack of help going to the area. Bush is not responsible for the hurricane nobody is saying that he is responsible for many other things. I will not get into them here this is not the correct thread. Check out the other one and read what I wrote and maybe someone will see the big picture.

[Sh0gunkid8721]

i think Clinton should get another shot for a 3rd term in office.

[macavely]

i think Clinton should get another shot for a 3rd term in office.
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well at leat bush won't get a 3rd term in office... but lets pray that we get a better person for the job.

[Jaws4God]

I believe Bush is doing an excellent job and the media just makes everyone think he's doing horrible... if you compare facts on Clinton and Bushes presidency.. you'd see that he's done great! Since he prays and is a Christian, it shows how God is helping the country through him :-D

[saleeka]

Yeah, Bush may not have been the direct root of failure in relief for Katrina, but having him say Thursday "i'm very proud of the efforts put fourth to help victims of katrina" to friday saying 'we need to investigate the failures of the relief effort in the wake of katrina" speaks loads to me how we, as a country, have our priorites F*CK*D up... how great is our country when we cant even help our own people in a crisis? Dispute my opinion all you want- when it takes 3 days to send relif to SOME of new orleans when celebrities are showing up 24 hours after the storm- its pathetic.....

[mr_dude]

if you compare facts on Clinton and Bushes presidency.. you'd see that he's done great!

What facts? How is a comparison to Clinton indicative of the quality of Bush's leadership?

Since he prays and is a Christian, it shows how God is helping the country through him :-D
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Henry VIII prayed and was a Christian too. You think God is intervening on Bush's behalf? I was under the impression that we lived in a state of constant fear (of terrorism, oil shortages, crime, science...)

'we need to investigate the failures of the relief effort in the wake of katrina'
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Well we can't make hasty decisions on such things as stem cell research, global warming, and hurricanes. It would be imprudent to decide on these matters before all the facts are in. </sarcasm>

[presure2]

wanna know what i hate?

these dumb ass threads.

[Supersprynt]

I believe Bush is doing an excellent job and the media just makes everyone think he's doing horrible... if you compare facts on Clinton and Bushes presidency.. you'd see that he's done great!  Since he prays and is a Christian, it shows how God is helping the country through him :-D
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Praying and being a Christian does not make or break a president and has nothing to do with a president being good or bad. Religion has no part in government and should be absent from it. Bush is not doing a good job, theres nothing that you can compare with Clinton.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

Ok, it’s time for my 0.2 again. I was waiting for someone to say this. The fact that you said that and obviously do not respect the fact that our nation has a separation of church and state that plays and important role in ensuring religious freedom in this county. By doing this you fail to respect the religious diversity of the country. Yes, many people will insist that the U.S. is mostly a “Christian” nation, but that does not mean that Christianity or any other religion for that matter has any place in our country’s government. Did you ever think of the minorities in our country? Or the people who are not Christian? Voting for Bush should not have been based merely on the fact that he is Christian. That has nothing to do with Politics, or should have nothing to do with it.

I do agree that in some cases ( Michael Moore’s film) the media portrays the President in a harsher light, but that is what the media does. They are biased. The fact of the matter is that Bush is not doing that great of a job. The other factor that I don’t believe anyone has brought up is that when they went through with boats to evacuate people from New Orleans many residents made the choice to stay. It is just sad because from what I have heard already there are 25,000 casualties, and I’m sure now they will have to deal with the threat of disease. I personally think that the whole city should be evacuated, the problem with that is this is not a wealthy area and people either have no place to go, or nothing left. I think it is the responsibility of authorities to remove people from these disaster areas before they are subjected to some type of disease.

Like I said before I am a republican but I still see Bush’s presidency for what it is. He is not doing a good job, even Republicans in the senate now are asking for the President to make a statement regarding the fact that Katrina was ignored. Yes, Bush is going to ask the US Congress for an extra $51 billion to aid relief efforts, but if he had given any attention to it before and evacuated as many people as possible and set up some type of shelter for people to go then there would not be as many casualties.

Since he prays and is a Christian, it shows how God is helping the country through him :-D

With regard to that statement, it looks like God is on vacation.

[CheesyLobster]

I like mac and cheese.

(edit: aka i dont like to talk about politics anymore on forums. its pointless)

This post has been edited by CheesyLobster: Sep 8, 2005 - 10:01 AM

[Guest_DJMC_Celica_*]

wanna know what i hate?

these dumb ass threads.


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ILL SECOND THAT!

[lagos]

http://www.michaelmoore.com/_images/splash...n_broussard.mov

wow that video was sad...

the thing i noticed about bush, is that there have been more mistakes on his watch then on anyone elses.

1st we had 9/11... we found out that the goverment knew about the planned attacks and didnt do anything about it. later there was a comittee made up to find out what went wrong.

then we had the weapons of mass destruction and the iraq war. no weapons were ever found, and the war was started based on nothing. later there was a comittee made up to find out what went wrong.

now we have the hurricane. all of ameica watches cnn and the reporters are crying and begging for help for 6 days after the storm. a huge mistake was made on bushes watch and now there are talks of a comittee being made up to find out what went wrong.


goerge bush dosnt like black or white people

This post has been edited by lagos: Sep 8, 2005 - 10:40 AM

[Defgeph]

goerge bush dosnt like black or white people
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I agree, but you should also mention.
Bush doesnt like poor and middle class people as well.

[Chanh55]

Wow... that's one hell of a video...

Somebody F*cked up.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

yeah i think we all know who fed up.

[darksecret]

Let's see Bush = self-proclaimed religious fanatic, self-proclaimed "war hero", commited mass genocide (well legally that's what it can be called), lied through propaganda, makes political decisions based on personal beliefs not what the people want, shut up anyone who opposed him (many anti-Bush sites were closed, Fahrenheit 9/11 was in theaters what 2 weeks with an R rating and didn't come out on DVD until after the elections).

Hitler = self-proclaimed religious fanatic, self proclaimed "war hero", commited mass genocide, lied through propaganda, made political decisions based on personal beliefs, shut up any who opposed him (albeit a little more fatal with Hitler)

Really were on the fast track to having another Hitler, of course Bush is more of a capatalist than a fascist but these are valid similarities.

Of course here are other points but most of the links don't work because it's old.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

[Chanh55]

Hmmm.... calling Bush another Hitler...


this can't be pretty...

[darksecret]

Yeah I was saying it to compare, I don't think he'll be that bad but he has said (joking or not) that things would be easier (for him) if he were a tyrant. If people flame me oh well I use what i've seen and when you put things blunt then it pisses people off, ask Kwanza. I can find proof for each of those statements if anyone needs it.

[Chanh55]

Well you make a good point... I'm just saying, people have been known to "dissappear" if you know what I mean...

JK

[darksecret]

LOL, good point, if I don't post here within the next 24 hours send someone after me, i'll be in the White House basement tied up.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Sep 8, 2005 - 1:57 PM

[Andason]

lol this just shows you how much he sucks as a prez. now i get to say i told you so to all the ignorant republicans
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you show your ignorance in your words. have you followed any of his policies or what he has actually done as president?

let me guess... all you know is war, war, war, oil, etc.

it's pathetic what americans think they know

[Rjb23]

You know Michael Moore was sued over F 9-11 because he took newpaper head lines and stories and photo choped them. I feel sorry for anyone who actually believes what he says in his "documentaries".

The major of New Orleans and Governer of LA f'd up. They new days before it hit that the levies would not hold up, yet they did not call a mandatory evacuation which is what they should have done. And yea the relief efforts were F'd up to, but look at all the stupid morons that won't leave, and can't fend for themselves, not talking about the old or sick ppl.

[Supersprynt]

RJB your facts are wrong, like most people who are defending Bush and attacking the wrong people.

The levys were known to be inadequate YEARS before, not days. And they requested $20 billion dollars to fix and upgrade the levys. Bush granted them 3 billion, congress upped that to 5 or so. They were not granted enough money to do what they knew needed to be done. What happened in LA was already predicted years ago and even the Discovery channel predicted and made a show about what would happen and still nothing was done. You cant blame the govenor because they asked and asked for help and were given nothing. So you can thank your buddy Bush for his compassion in this tragic mistake.

Get your facts straight. They DID order an mandatory evac.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 8, 2005 - 10:28 PM

[Rjb23]

Well if your told its gonna happen and your dumb enough to stay behind you get what you deserve.

And where in my post did I say I supported Bush? I didn't mention Bush at all, I guess you see what you want to see.




This post has been edited by Rjb23: Sep 8, 2005 - 11:07 PM

[ILuvMyCelica95]

What an ignorant statement that is. These people had nowhere to go. Maybe if this country was better prepared for this disaster there would have been places for them to go, but there was not sufficient housing for the victims. As is has been stated before the area is not a wealthy area. This is all these people had.

[Jaws4God]

Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution and isn't part of the foundation of this country... Congress decided to dream that saying up to take God out of schools and the government... I think the country and world would be a much better place if we weren't turning from our Creator...

[Consynx]

eh, bush is alright...but i think shaved it sexier. . .

[97lestyousay]

wanna know what i hate?

these dumb ass threads.




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[Supersprynt]

Seperation of Church and State is not in the constitution and isn't part of the foundation of this country... Congress decided to dream that saying up to take God out of schools and the government... I think the country and world would be a much better place if we weren't turning from our Creator...
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No, your incorrect. The words "seperation of church & state" arent in the Constitution, but that doesnt mean that its not in there. Let me elaborate. That phrase, is not in the constitution, however, nobody is saying that it is. That phrase refers to the First Amendment which states that government shall pass NO laws which recognize a religion or prohibit one either. What does this mean? This means that government has no business with religion. Religion is a personal choice, and the gov't has no right to tell you what you are to beleive. At the same time, the gov't is what funds public schools, and anything elsel that is public. So this means that religion, which has nothing to do with government LEGALLY HAS NO RIGHT TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF ANYTHING THAT IS PART OF THE FEDERAL GOV'T. If you want your children to be taught religion, you enroll them in a private school, not a public one. Anything having to do with government funding CONSTITUTIONALLY has no association with religion. Plain and simple.

This is a common tool used by people like you to defend what they think is a science, and should be taught. No. Religion, which is NOT a science, should not be taught in schools. IMO religion is a private matter, taught in ones own home, and is not to be used in political decisions and policies. This is one reason why the world is screwed up, because people make decisions based on something that doesnt exist.

Now you think the world would be a better place if everyone thought the same thing, believed in the same thing and worshipped the same mythical being as you do. I think thats pretty sick, in fact, thats cult sick. Theres no way in hell i'd ever believe in a god who allows this planet of people to operate the way it does. You say everything has a reason, well you cannot in a million years justify what this planet and billions of innocent people have endured.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 9, 2005 - 12:25 AM

[97lestyousay]

I'm drunk, its my birthday could you please stop the God... Anti God crap till my head stops spinning. Karma... my name is Ed . Do good and good things will.. oh hell nevermind.
Edit: Earl my name is Earl, told you I was drunk

This post has been edited by 97lestyousay: Sep 9, 2005 - 10:16 PM

[ILuvMyCelica95]

You are correct that the actual term “spearation of church and state” does not appear in the consitiution but it derives from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson. The separation of church and state is governed by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendemnt to the Consitiutions. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" I don’t think religion has any place in the government at all, or in schools. Here’s something to think about, when you go to court and take the stand as a witness you swear on the bible. What about other religions? Say a muslim is called to take the stand, even if they do swear on the bible it holds no meaning to them because they don’t believe in it. Should the courts of the United States keep a copy of all religious material handy? There is no point to it. They can just sign an Affidavit.

The fact is that religion has no place in the government. I’m not saying your not entitled to belive what you belive, but you should also respect other’s beliefs.

This post has been edited by ILuvMyCelica95: Sep 9, 2005 - 12:26 AM

[Supersprynt]

To be quite frank, I'd like to see "in god we trust" taken off currency, the bible out of the courtroom and anything having to to with religion out of any federal building because its hypocritical and unconstitutional.

The government you sit and bash is the same government which allows you to say what you want and worship whatever god you'd like because if you were in another part of the wordl theres no saying what people would do to you for believing what you do. Be happy that you can believe what you want because alot of people were murdered because they didnt believe what you believe today by the people who say they are so Holy.

I'm done talking about this because its ultimatley going no wheres. Jaws your too wrapped up in your beliefs to sit and think and re-evaluate your self and really makes sense. I take pity upon you.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Sep 9, 2005 - 12:30 AM

[mr_dude]

Whoa now, let's lay off the ad hominem remarks. It causes people to complain (and thusly sidetrack the discussion).

Separation of church and state is in the Consititution and derived from philosophies from the times of Plato to Hobbes. But at the same time, (Jesuit, Buddhist, etc.) monasteries work pretty darn well. Fundamentalism isn't an inherent evil, so long as the citizens live in that society of their own free will.

I think the country and world would be a much better place if we weren't turning from our Creator...

This can be taken many ways (see the above rants). I think your intent is good, but your implications are a bit hazy.

[darksecret]

You know Michael Moore was sued over F 9-11 because he took newpaper head lines and stories and photo choped them. I feel sorry for anyone who actually believes what he says in his "documentaries".

The major of New Orleans and Governer of LA f'd up. They new days before it hit that the levies would not hold up, yet they did not call a mandatory evacuation which is what they should have done. And yea the relief efforts were F'd up to, but look at all the stupid morons that won't leave, and can't fend for themselves, not talking about the old or sick ppl.
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Go to his website and you'll find out where to find those "photochoped" documents, usually from the Washington Post, NYT, or CNN guess they're in on his propoganda also (at least he didn't hire an actress to do it all *cough* social security report). For those who think he couldn't do anything know nothing of the chain of command, in certain times of crisis the president can supercede all and give direct action unless congress decides to step in, this is enough to become a national crisis and Bush had the authority to send help at any time. IMO I would have at the very least dispatched a Marine Reserve unit (in which even Congress or any other part of the government can't control that, Marines are directly ordered by the president without approval from anyone). As far as people not leaving, hey you miss the boat then you had your chance for help and refused, that means the government did their part.

[darksecret]

RJB your facts are wrong, like most people who are defending Bush and attacking the wrong people.

The levys were known to be inadequate YEARS before, not days. And they requested $20 billion dollars to fix and upgrade the levys. Bush granted them 3 billion, congress upped that to 5 or so. They were not granted enough money to do what they knew needed to be done. What happened in LA was already predicted years ago and even the Discovery channel predicted and made a show about what would happen and still nothing was done. You cant blame the govenor because they asked and asked for help and were given nothing. So you can thank your buddy Bush for his compassion in this tragic mistake.

Get your facts straight. They DID order an mandatory evac.
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I think I watched that, it was super structures or something.

[Consynx]

politics suck
each state should have their own mini-president
then i might know something about politics.

[darksecret]

They do, it's called a govenor, lol.

[Consynx]

nooo, i want someone who can do w/e he wants

he can launch a nuke if it's in his state!

[mr_dude]

That was called the Confederacy. We tried it. It didn't last very long.

Still, as a snobby Californian, sounds like a good plan. As long as our governor doesn't get promoted to president.

Oh, and politics are important. If you don't know anything about politics you're liable to be trounced upon by the economic elite. That would be a suboptimal situation.

[LewFX]

ppl who hate bush are ignorant uranuses.

[darksecret]

Well then I guess that makes you the minority in this country then does it, approval has been below 50% and it's dropping like internet stocks.
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

This post has been edited by darksecret: Sep 9, 2005 - 2:12 PM

[Benevolence]

ppl who hate bush are ignorant uranuses.
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such an open minded statement!

[Consynx]

economic elite?

sounds sexy. I they're all women.

[blu94gt]

What I don't understand is as I'm reading the paper today, one article is saying how there's not enough funding going towards the New Orleans relief etc etc, next article is how we may dump billions of dollars into a war effort to help some other country that I can't even remember the name of. WTF. Honestly, I hate the whole "America is the world's police force" thing. It's so stupid, we dump money and all kinds of stuff into foreign war efforts that have no direct threat or connection to our country's well being, while things like hurricane katrina, etc are happening here at home and little is being done about it. Honestly, if I could afford it I would probably move out of the United States. To me it's beyond which dummy we have as a president, it's our country's general standing towards world views and even our own country's issues.

For example, the separation of church and state deal. Yes I'm a Christian, and agree that religious matter should be left out of politics, but some people take it too far. The separation of church and state issue has led on to the country appeasing any minority party's claim or complaint and ignoring the majority population. I couldn't get a college scholarship anywhere I went, even though in high school I had a 3.9 GPA, was very involved, scored a 30 on my ACT, etc, but a black guy who never did his homework, cut class, and honestly didn't care if he went to college or not got a full ride scholarship. My sister's friend is like 1/16 native american, doesn't have a clue about her heritage, and gets grants to go to college wherever she wants for free.

Geh, I guess I'm just not patriotic.

[jojobombiest]

ppl who hate bush are ignorant uranuses.
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the vote pwns you 32-15.

[LewFX]

well its not my fault that you young'ems care only about yourself and listen to the democratic way. call me old fashion then.

[SoundSlut_dotcom]

we send troops and extra relief in there to get shot at? LOL and then people complain.....

[SoundSlut_dotcom]

firemen and police being shot at, firem en need protection hile putting out fires.. pathetic..

[LewFX]

copters were sent to get ppl and some ppl shot at the copters, wth is that?!

[darksecret]

well its not my fault that you young'ems care only about yourself and listen to the democratic way. call me old fashion then.
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Old fashion huh, if it were Reagan he would have dug up Afghanistan to find Osama, and if he couldn't find him he would have probably torched the entire country, in the real "old days" (WWII to be exact) every asian in america was held prisoner because of Pearl Harbor, today Bush sends the family of the guy who attacked us home. Old fashion is when you have a job to do you do it and not take as much time off as you work, the only good thing that Bush was considering was the coastal defense system.

This country lost it's way, if we did it the Bush way then everyone would have 3 months paid vacation and we'd all get to sit on our ass instead of working, oh yeah we'd also get to kill others as long as they're middle eastern (but not Saudi because they pay you), oh yeah let's not forget that we are automatic war heros for flying a non-combat active plane over an inactive base in no wars in the easiest branch of the entire armed forces of america. Call me old fashined but that doesn't sound like the american way, maybe the corporate way but not american. (BTW we'd all be illiterate, j/k)

As for the helos being attacked by our own people, yeah it's wrong and if they're running because they were looting and willing to kill to get away, call me old fashioned but let them stay for a month and figure out where their next meal is coming from when they looted all of it and gave up help (of course we'd have to condem New Orleans) or tranq their ass, cage them up, and send them to Yemen because they prove they don't belong here.

[Rjb23]

Go to his website and you'll find out where to find those "photochoped" documents, usually from the Washington Post, NYT, or CNN guess they're in on his propoganda also (at least he didn't hire an actress to do it all *cough* social security report). For those who think he couldn't do anything know nothing of the chain of command, in certain times of crisis the president can supercede all and give direct action unless congress decides to step in, this is enough to become a national crisis and Bush had the authority to send help at any time. IMO I would have at the very least dispatched a Marine Reserve unit (in which even Congress or any other part of the government can't control that, Marines are directly ordered by the president without approval from anyone). As far as people not leaving, hey you miss the boat then you had your chance for help and refused, that means the government did their part.
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Why would I go to his website, I saw this on a reputable news source. If you are gullable enough to believe what he says that is up to you.

President Bush did declare a state of emergency for LA and Mississippi 2 days before the levi's broke. This gave the full power to FEMA to respond at any time. Why did the state government not send in national guardsman? Why did the major of New Orleans not help? Lets blame one person for the whole thing.

Personally I like the clips of perfectly healthy people sitting in chairs saying "Help us we are dying" get off your *sses and go help your selves! GO FIND FOOD GO FIND WATER! I also like the clip of the guy carrying a TV on his shoulder in the background while a guy in front says "we have need food to survive."

[LuDaChRiS]

^ when they did that, the media called them looters and portrayed them as thieves.

[Rjb23]

So I would rather live and be called a looter then die and feel sorry for myself.

[darksecret]

The point about going to his site is he has the reputable news sources and the time and date they aired or were published, you act like he made it all up. The only reason Michael Moore gets flak is because he told everyone how it was without suger coating and actually used some of the almighty Bush "exaggeration" tactics against the republicans, oh well he still told the truth. BTW he never said there was no such thing as terrorist trying to attack us like the idiots that made FahrenHYPE crap accused him of(yes there was republican version also attempting to fault Moore) he was just trying to say playing with the terrorist warning system to keep people afraid is really sad and that we are very vulnerable (there are more ways to get into this country than planes). I wasn't just accusing Bush for the hurricane but the fact is during a national crisis he has full authority to do anything without asking FEMA (look at when the FAA grounded the planes and he still allowed the Bin Laden family to leave), if time goes on without a quick response he calls the shots, I mean the guy always manages to be on vacation when bad times hit (he has a desk job with hundreds of assistants), if he did his job right he could take all the vacations he wanted.

BTW as bad as it sounds we're suppose to think of our people first, what was Bush waiting on for Iraq to become stable. What I can't figure out is he can't even manage a larger (formerly) stable country with a formerly organized successful government and probably the best president we've ever had as the predecessor giving a surplus (and if anyone brings up the BJ thing, I swear almost all of our presidents had something minor like that and it didn't have much of an effect on us, Jefferson was a bootlegger for christ sake), how is he going to manage a country he destroyed, with little money, little development, rebellion everywhere, and a laughable military.

This post has been edited by darksecret: Sep 10, 2005 - 12:10 PM

[Rjb23]

Check your facts. The country was already going into a recession when Bush took office.

If Clinton had done his job, 9-11 would have never happened. In I think it was 96, after the first WTC bombing, he had the opportunity to kill Bin Laden but he was to afraid of the criticism to pull the trigger. And before you say I'm making stuff up I have it on tape still I think, it was on a documentary about 9-11, and it wasn't done by some hollywood producer out to make money. But wait that wasn't in Moore's film was it. I personally don't live in fear, I don't live any different than I did before 9-11.

What national disasters did Clinton face of this magnitude? None, because this has been the biggest national disaster in the history of our country, bigger than the LA quake, bigger than Andrew.

[Consynx]

now the college crap is something i can relate to!
30K a year, i got grants for working hard, BUT the school gives practically free tuition to minorities giving them a "second chance". This means is doesn't matter HOW they did in HS or anything, i'd say 50% of em really care and tried/try though. just retarded.

[LuDaChRiS]

^ im a minority who doesnt get financial aid cause my parents make enough, but ill argue for minorities here.

A lot of kids (mostly minorities, but im not gonna generalize) grow up in urban areas. They often have dysfunctional families. They also often have low incomes. Look at the flip side, many kids grow up in suburban or affluent areas with both parents and high incomes.

Which school probably has the better teachers/materials/programs, the one in the hood or the one in the hills?

What's wrong with giving a kid a chance when he's already been put at a disadvantage?

(But at the same time I do tend to disagree with strict affirmative action/quotas...make em earn it, but don't give the rich/White kids an unfair advantage)

[Andason]

i view welfare systems as a safety net under a trapeze....

pretend you are doing the trapeze and there is no net below you... are you going to try harder?

pretend you know there is a sofy, cushy net below you... are you going to try as hard?

thought so.

[reborn0323]

I dont like any of them.. but I doubt Kerry wouldnt have done a better job.

All it is which dumbaarse do you want running things? The dumbarse we already know or the one we dont know.
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hell in the last election i didn't vote cuz there was no "Do Over" choice lol

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

My opinion- our current Administration is just a huge embarrasment. Bush is largely responsible for many of the worst problems our country has ever faced within the realms of financial stability, political and military credibility, hypocracy, useless occupations of non-combatant countries and states, gross miscalculations, death of the innocent, lies, tragedy, unemployment, dropping value of US currency, largest deficit the country has seen in many decades....foul business negotiations....and last and CERTAINLY not least, his inability to be a genuine, sincere and articulately spoken president.

Now my father and also my girlfriends father are both loosing their jobs to overseas workers in a month, and I'm pretty sure I have our couuntry is to thank for that. Wonder if thats considered a "disadvantage".....

Simply sickening. I pray to God that somehow this country will change back to its non-combatant, financially stable self.

[Rjb23]

Now my father and also my girlfriends father are both loosing their jobs to overseas workers in a month, and I'm pretty sure I have our couuntry is to thank for that.  Wonder if thats considered a "disadvantage".....
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This has nothing to do with our government. It' simply the markets moving towards a global economy, it's simple economics. In today's job market you have to be either diversified in what you are trained in, or trained in a job that will never be able to go overseas, like doctors or nurses.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

^^ Its our government who is allowing them to go overseas


Opposition is building


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AFL-CIO President John Sweeney, in a statement published on the organization's Web site, criticized the Bush administration for its support of outsourcing.

"It's outrageous that despite one of the worst job creation records in history, and despite the 9.9 million Americans still out of work in our jobless 'recovery,' the Bush administration has blessed sending more jobs overseas in its annual economic report to Congress," he said.

Politicians are beginning to respond to pressure to do something about the movement of jobs to other countries. Congress is currently debating a proposed law that would stop the government from buying goods and services from companies that outsource. Another proposal would require workers at telephone call centers to disclose their physical locations at the beginning of each call.

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Sep 11, 2005 - 11:26 AM

[94CelicaRedHatch]

Well considering every state is considered seperate, what is Bush supposed to do? He cant act unless the governor of New Orleans asked for it. Bush cant force every single person down there to leave. So everyone blames him for it? for the 61 % of people who dont like Bush, move to Canada cause there aint crap you can do for a few more years k thnks

[mr_dude]

move to Canada cause there aint crap you can do for a few more years

How many presidents have we had impeached so far?

Actually, trying to change anything at that high of a level won't help the victims. A more effective strategy would be to have a 6GC LA meet with food, clothing, first aid...

[94CelicaRedHatch]

well I guess its a good thing, forgot who, but someone said the US is always first the help others out, lets give them a hand. Its good to see others are helping us out in a time of need, forget the damn war its about people helping people

[BlackCelicaGT94]

So everyone blames him for it? for the 61 % of people who dont like Bush, move to Canada cause there aint crap you can do for a few more years k thnks 
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i went to canada and showed my ID for some alcohol and the guy was like "ur president scares us up here" and i replied with "he scares alot of us down here too"

so even canada is scared of him!

[LewFX]

Can all the democrats please go to canada.

This post has been edited by LewFX: Sep 11, 2005 - 6:33 PM

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I dont think its a matter of demo or repub anymore

its a matter of who likes bush and who doesnt!

cuz even repubs i know dont like him!

[Pali_playa]

Can all the democrats please go to canada.
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what a fu*king ignorant statement. im guessing u want all the ni**ers, chinks, wet bags and sand ni**ers to go to canada too huh

[presure2]

what a fu*king ignorant statement. im guessing u want all the ni**ers, chinks, wet bags and sand ni**ers to go to canada too huh

this thread is over.