celi ST to true GT-Four swap Options

[celiman05]

well i finally was able to get a digital camera and post up some pics of my project. im converting my celica st to a gt4. all wheel drive and all. the motor is put in and runs great, purrs like a kitten...... im in the process of doing my rear end now. its gettin there. well here are some pics of my masterpiece in progress.



-gt4 front end conversion


-front end w/ hood open


-the rear end is in place, almost ready to bolt up.


-side view of the celi


-interior....what a mess. never thought it would look like that!


-engine....ahh pretty. at least i think so!


well tell me what you think and if you have any suggestions.... feel free to let me know.


I fixed your links so they would work here.
Nice swap.

This post has been edited by defgeph: Oct 28, 2005 - 8:25 AM

[celicaST]

wow! makes me wonder what other sweet rides are on this site i havnt seen. keep it up, cant wait to see it finished, will be a very rare car indeed.

[Batman722]

looks like it is comming along guy. I'm sure you and your Dad can get this thing rolling. I have some pics of the underside of GT-fours if you need them for reference.

I'm glad to have seen it in person. Good luck

[jgreening]

coming along....good luck the rest of the way! Keep us updated. Very cool project.

[celiman05]

I have some pics of the underside of GT-fours if you need them for reference.
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hey those pics would be a great deal of help. if you can, send them to me. that would definatly be great. thanks man

[Defgeph]

Nice work I heard about this car.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

freakin' amazing bro...thats all i gutta say

bboy

[Batman722]

I have some pics of the underside of GT-fours if you need them for reference.
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hey those pics would be a great deal of help. if you can, send them to me. that would definatly be great. thanks man
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PM sent

[popstar]

cool fella

if you need any other pics let me know and i'll try and get some shoots of my '4' for you to check out.......

hows your fuel tank conversion going ???

[hata]

I give you praise. Your the only person I'm admiring at the moment cause most ppl get the engine, an use a FF tranny. No thanx, go AWD! Update us some more!

[yarik83]

how in the world are you going to put awd in it?

import awd parts from abroad?

use parts form a car like subaru?

or home-made?

[CelicaZR]

Good luck with the conversion buddy.
I'm very interested in this project of your.
Keep us all updated

[JoKeRkId613]

looks awesome. all you need now is the jdm climate control and the 98-99 steering wheel.

[celicast3sgte]

im jealous but oh well my celi is for daily driver i bought teh car the way it is so i dont care about making it race setup.

[macavely]

can't wait to see the end result .. congrats on the work you have so far

[vangSTa_celica]

Major props to you!!! Keep us updated!

[soulshadow]

I need to know how your doing your rear end for the conversion. I might just go this route someday when I want an AWD.
So how does the AWD tranny work? Did you have to cut anything and wield stuff on? We need lots of pics!

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

wow that's quite incredible...im loving it...how u gonna do the 4wd conversion?...help me on that so i can do it to mines (next spring...hehehehe)...anywho keep up the great work man...

[presure2]

good job man, ive heard about this project thru dustin.
glad to see your dad helping you out with all the fabrication for the rear end. id love to see some pics of what it looks like from underneath!

[frosty]

Very nice, the dream of many on here

[shin]

awesome project man. looks great. if it works out fine. you're into business lol. making all of the 3s swapped celi awd

[playr158]

This post has been edited by playr158: Oct 28, 2005 - 10:48 AM

[nik]

what about the gas tank clearance issue and is the rear drive shaft fitting ok?

[playr158]

remove stock fuel tank run a racing fuel cell in the trunk

[BlackSTX]

Looks awesome. Please remove the Thomas the Tank engine blue on your engine. J/K.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

wow, nice, I can't wait to see this project finished!!

[nik]

remove stock fuel tank run a racing fuel cell in the trunk
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or if your staying with the whole gt4 theme get the gt4 tank thats what i wanted to know or mod the stock tank to work

hey Batman722 put those pics up of the underside of the gt4

[Supersprynt]

Where in CT are u?

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Excellent work man. It was only a matter of time before somebody with the right tools and motivation did this. Keep up the work, can't wait to see more pics and hopefully see this in person some day.

[celiman05]

Where in CT are u?
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im in killingly CT.

[celiman05]

hey thanks for all of the support everyone. i'll post some more pics as soon as i can. you will all be updated. definatley

[tomazws]

keep it up!

[Terzin1]

make sure you keep record of how you do the AWD, many people will thank you for it!

[celicarocker]

Where in CT are u?
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im in killingly CT.
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whaaaat??? i lived there fo 20 years (till i moved to RI last summer). who are you?

EDIT: we gotta hook up when you get this done. i dont have my celica anymore, but still love them and would love to see that project.

This post has been edited by celicarocker: Nov 1, 2005 - 9:55 AM

[Shigexile]

sweet

[95gtschick]

this is so awesome. i have a friend who's a mechanic who wants to see a how-to article on this, and he's gonna do it for me (for free!) if i get the parts for him. he's always wanted to convert a sweet fwd car to awd, he was gonna do his civic but i guess it wasn't awesome enough haha nah it was just waaaaaaaaay too expensive, and really hard. but yeah... definitely make a how to!!!

awesome project though, great work!

[Watanbe88]

Dude when you get that done, we should go for a drive. Mine has been a long project but it came as a JDM gt4 w/ a heavily worn engine but she will be back running for thanks giving. So if you need a live specimen to look at just PM me, I don't mine putting her up in the air for you. Also you can check out mines progress here:

http://www.otaku-wired.net/celica/index.html

[BBoYRuGGeD]

bump...i wunna update on this awesome project!

bboy

[yungazzdriver]

same here!!!!!!!

[dstrbcelica]

wow. i can't wait to see this beast when you're finished.

-dstrb

[Magic]

Great work man...AWD its all the money

[celicaST]

update! im a tad confused, i saw this awhile ago st185 and it says you are selling the 3sgte in your profile? if i remember, since i cant see your profile now it was the same engine thats in your conversion. please tell me your still working on this conversion and that you have 2 3sgte's

[BBoYRuGGeD]

update! im a tad confused, i saw this awhile ago st185 and it says you are selling the 3sgte in your profile? if i remember, since i cant see your profile now it was the same engine thats in your conversion. please tell me your still working on this conversion and that you have 2 3sgte's

well the pictures on the first page is of a 3rd gen 3sgte and the link says hes got a 2nd gen 3sgte FS...so i guess he DOES have 2 3SGTEs...wow!

bboy

[Slow-lica]

95gtschick: My friend was going to AWD his Civic, he was going to use Honda CRV parts but it was V-tec and made things difficult.

Sorry for going off topic, and can't wait to see you Celi finished!

[celiman05]

i have the 3rd gen 3sgte that im swapping into my car now and i also have the 2nd gen 3sgte sitting im my basement. i was originally going to put in the 2nd gen and stick with FWD, but i found a sweet deal on a st205 front clip.

the 2nd gen is going up for sale as soon as i have time to put it in ebay or post it here with pictures.

[GMan]

The race cell in the trunk never looks good. :-(

Not going to try and source an ST205 gas tank ?
I know of a few ST185 gas tanks around.
You could use the stock gas tank if you want
cut out the spare tire hole and hang it under the trunk ?

(just dropping in from all_trac.net:-)

Good luck on the Project !

Regards;
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[airmax95]

WOW! This is exactly what I want to do to my ST. Any tips for me on how to get started?

[celiman05]

as for the fuel cell........dont worry, when im done with it totally. it will look good. what i might do is make a fiberglass sub box to go over the cell. that should hide it nicely.

i already have all of my fuel parts and there just witing to be put in.

thanks ne way.

WOW! This is exactly what I want to do to my ST. Any tips for me on how to get started?

be very creative......

[dustin15brown]

and be very rich

[presure2]

the biggest factor in doing this swap is fabrication skills.
luckily, his dad is a master fabricator.
cant wait to see it finished!

[97lestyousay]

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[Punch]

good luck! as long as you got the parts you should be good...
wish you the best ... If I had all the parts I would do it too.....
one of my good friends is a master fabricator...

[Consynx]

first time noticing this...wow
can't wait to see it done. talk about making the 6gc perfect.

[JoKeRkId613]

if i have all the parts from an st205 that i would need to convert to AWD and a good fabricator, would i be able to do it having a 7afe or 5sfe or would the engine have to be a 3sgte? i just dont know if the engine/tranny have anything to do with it. thanks.

This post has been edited by JoKeRkId613: Nov 26, 2005 - 1:01 PM

[dustin15brown]

if you have exverything to do it and then you leave a 100/130 hp 7a or 5s in, my friend, you have wasted a car

[Coomer]

Sweet project! I can't wait to see it once it's finished!

[lagos]

if i have all the parts from an st205 that i would need to convert to AWD and a good fabricator, would i be able to do it having a 7afe or 5sfe or would the engine have to be a 3sgte? i just dont know if the engine/tranny have anything to do with it. thanks.

yes you would need the 3s engine and tranny

[celicast3sgte]

technically couldnt the 5s motor work? we use 5s tranny with the 3s in a swap but essentially you could do it backwards with a 3s alltrac tranny and drivetrain fit it to a 5sfe motor. it would be pointless. but unique at the same time. am i wrong?

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

technically couldnt the 5s motor work? we use 5s tranny with the 3s in a swap but essentially you could do it backwards with a 3s alltrac tranny and drivetrain fit it to a 5sfe motor. it would be pointless. but unique at the same time. am i wrong?

Your right, but then we'd end up like the Subaru Impreza RS. Underpowered AWD. The 5s is slow anyway. Adding the AWD would really put a strain on the motor and slow the car down a good bit. Most people who've got the cash for the AWD also have the money for the 3s. I doubt you'll ever see a AWD 5s powered Celica.

[celicast3sgte]

heh agreed, hence the pointless but unique comment.

[CheesyLobster]

wow, i just saw this. amazing work man. how much was the bill for that beyond the clip?

[celi_gt_racer]

UPDATES! UPDATES! I demand updates... lol

[easternpiro1]

UPDATES! UPDATES! I demand updates... lol

im inclined to aggree with my buddy up there^ u musnt keep your audience waiting!!!

[BBoYRuGGeD]

a fully built for boost 5SGTE with AWD...that would be hawt.

and yes more updates! this project is freakin' awesome!

bboy

[anubis0108]

the biggest factor in doing this swap is fabrication skills.
luckily, his dad is a master fabricator.
cant wait to see it finished!

wish i had a dad that was a master fabricator.

[celiman05]

yes yes yes, i know eveyone wants updates.

this past sunday we made a bunch of mounts and started to weld it all up. we only have two or three more mounts to make. after that, were gonna make sure everything is all straight and weld it all up for good.

following that, the fuel system will be a breeze.

then theres just a little more wiring to take care of inside for my heating and everything. then it should be damn near done. as long as i can find some rims that fit. oh ya gonna paint it too.

when the rear is near done, ill post some pics.

[anubis0108]

cant wait to see wat it looks like

[spunky393]

yea!!!!

[anubis0108]

how much did this whole process cost you ? time and money wise i would love to do the conversion but the time and money realisticly thatz a lot. i would rather buy a real one for collectors

[lagos]

can u take some close up pics of the custom mounts you had to make to bolt the rear end on ? there is very little info on this and you are one of a handfull of people to every try it, so as many detailed pics you can get us the better

[Cutrara]

Bump, hows it going?

[94GT]

Any update?

[celi_gt_racer]

i think this guy died or something ... lol
cuz this thread sure has been dead for awhile.....
anywayz.... i hope its coming along well and updates maybe on the way??

[BBoYRuGGeD]

im sure he's just busy or something...lol

bboy

[BeeHay]

nice project.

[95ST]

Congrats on the project its incredible! Im in CT also Id love to check this out once it is running maybe we can organize a meet for CT and RI or something.

[tomazws]

Any update?

Ditto!

[celi_gt_racer]

BUMP BUMP BUMP

[celiman05]

whats up everyone? sorry i have been very busy lately so i kind of forgot about the post.
haha, stupid me.

well its definately coming along very nicely, but unfortunatley there was about a month
when it was not worked on. all these holidays and crap killed it.

we got all the mounts for the rear end and drive shaft welded and painted. just
a few more finishing touches on the rear and that part is done. the holder for the
fuel cell is all welded and drilled out. all thats left is to finish the fuel system,
hook up the e-brake cables, make a stupid little mount for the throttle cable,
finish up the little bit of wiring for the heater, then paint.

one big problem that im having is im waiting for my rims to come in. i've waited like
two weeks already and there not in yet. and i dont even know if there gonna fit correctly.
i went to a car show and measered the space to make sure they would fit and they would,
but they are 8.5" wide. as soon as i get them and find out if they will fit or not,
then i can do the brakes and im done.

oh yeah, i cant forget the fact that i have to put the whole interior back together...

oh ya, i almost forgot, having a meet in CT or RI would be sweet. we should do it.

[playr158]

dude GET MORE PICS!!!!!!!!!!!
of EVERYTHING

btw 8.5" wheels are fine...

[snapshotgt]

gezzz, i wish i could see the pics...they're not working for me ...i can't see your project!!! uggg...let me know what i can do to see this crazy awesome venture.

~snap

[WannabeGT4]

You're project looks to be coming along great. Congratulations on making it this far. I hope the rest of the build goes as smoothly.
If you don't mind I've got a few questions for you.

Which rear end did you decide to use? Axles?
Which Knuckle/hub/bearing combonation?
Strut setup?
Swaybar?
Brake discs and calipers/caliper mounting brackets?

The reason I asked is because that doesn't look like the 6th gen GT4's super strut setup. I assume it's from an ST185 alltrac but I really hate to guess.

[CelicaZR]

Nice Celiman
I cant wait to see the finish product.
You'll soon have followers after this is
complete

[MaskedMan]

wow i cant wait, this is going to be great! great work so far!

[celiman05]

You're project looks to be coming along great. Congratulations on making it this far. I hope the rest of the build goes as smoothly.
If you don't mind I've got a few questions for you.

Which rear end did you decide to use? Axles?
Which Knuckle/hub/bearing combonation?
Strut setup?
Swaybar?
Brake discs and calipers/caliper mounting brackets?

The reason I asked is because that doesn't look like the 6th gen GT4's super strut setup. I assume it's from an ST185 alltrac but I really hate to guess.

well when i bought the front clip, they sent me everything.
the rear end, axles, hubs, struts, sway bar, and brakes.
everything came out of a 6gc (i believe).
i got such a sweet deal on it, i almost got a whole damn car.

[WannabeGT4]

Yeah, I found out after I posted that the ST205 superstrut rear struts don't differ much in appearance compared to the Macpherson struts in the ST204. It's only the fronts that are drasticly different.

BTW, How are things progressing?

[snapshotgt]

ahhhh, i can see the pics now great job

~snap

[celiman05]

things are going SWEET! thats all i have to say....
almost done.

[lagos]

can you take any detailed pics of how the rear end is mounted? this would really help out others that are considering the same thing

[x_itchy_b_x]

things are going SWEET! thats all i have to say....
almost done.

PICCCCCs Please

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

can you take any detailed pics of how the rear end is mounted? this would really help out others that are considering the same thing

Yes, please do take some pictures of this.

[celiman05]

i will do the best i can with taking pics, but i dont have a lift so its tough getting under the car to take them.
i'll try

[dustin15brown]

i will do the best i can with taking pics, but i dont have a lift so its tough getting under the car to take them.
i'll try

stop making excuses man... just do it!!! I can't wait till this thing is done

[celiman05]

haha, im not making excuses. anyway, i dont want anyone to see it untill its done.

[lagos]

haha, im not making excuses. anyway, i dont want anyone to see it untill its done.

well, if you really do get it working, it would be a HUGE help for anyone who ever thought about doing the same thing. it requires a good bit of fabrication, and it would be nice to see how that needs to be done.

[dustin15brown]

haha, im not making excuses. anyway, i dont want anyone to see it untill its done.

well, if you really do get it working, it would be a HUGE help for anyone who ever thought about doing the same thing. it requires a good bit of fabrication, and it would be nice to see how that needs to be done.

If he gets it done... I'm kidnapping him so that he can do it for me

[playr158]

no no you kidnap his father the master fabricator

[dustin15brown]

no no you kidnap his father the master fabricator

ok i'll take everyone.... hell i will just take over the world

[playr158]

well if you take over the world then you won't need either of them cause you could just force toyota into producing you the only 06' celica GT4

or for that matter combine ferrari, toyota and subaru and make a supra GT4

[celiman05]

well dustin, come and get me....

sway bar problems......guess we'll have to go custom.