Secret abortions Options

[ToYCeLi8]

Well Thanksgiving just passing and Xmas coming up, all these family holidays coming up, I have been spending more time w/ my family and friends as you are. Also meeting newborn baby cousins.

All this baby talk brought up subjects about the starting of new families and abortions, unfortunatly.

Some of my cousins feel they are ready to start a family other don't and what not. But when abortions came up, a friend of my aunts spoke about an abortion she had when she was younger and never told the father. It turned into a crazy night I rather not go into but here is my question or topic for this thread is, and its aimed at the men:

If a girl you had relations with, YES EVEN A 1 NIGHT STAND, got pregnant with YOUR child (don't argue, its YOURS), and she had an abortion, would you want to know before she did it? Or not be told at all and be fine with it after its done?

Yes you can state your reasons why you would or wouldn't have a baby now.

For me, I would DEFINATLY want to know. Even though it might not be planned, I feel if it took 2 people to make a child, then those 2 people should decide whether or not to keep the child. Right now I am going through some rough times financially so I know I cannot raise a child. My mind set isn't ready either. I really don't plan on having a child until I am about 28, so 6 more years. An abortion is a major descision so it does take time to make sure it is the one you want to make and not regret it. Realistically, I would prefer to put the baby up for adoption. Save a life and help a family.

Mods: I hope this doesn't start a war on 6gc, its just something I took serious when it was so close to my family. So members please do not attack other people's opinions.

David

[zachattack15]

If I knew that I got a girl pregnant and she didnt want to have the baby I would ask her to have it and give it to me. No reason to take the kids life away because of a mistake I made. I love kids anyways and I personally couldnt afford it but my dad makes big bucks and would support the baby. My girlfriend always talks about having kids haha, i told her it will be another 5-6 yrs before I have a kid.

[dustin15brown]

I agree a lot with you, it was a mutual decision to start it, should be mutual on the ending decision. Granted it's a lot harder on the women, but it still wouldn't be right if she dind't tell the guy involved

[forkee]

her body, her choice, her decision whether or not to tell me.

a one night stand should not involve anything past that night. im sure she would drop u as soon as u asked "hey, let me know if u get pregnant ok?" thats just not how it works.....thats like a ball breaker, but for chicks...totally ruins the moment. she'll find a guy that asks less questions......

if ur not mentally, monetarily, or emotionally ready for the consequences, however wacky they might become, then ur not ready for sex.

[Jaws4God]

Its her body... but not her baby.. its God's... abortion is murder :-(

[Digndoug]

Its her body... but not her baby.. its God's... abortion is murder :-(

Thats true, but some times and in lots of cases, its better to not bring a baby into the world, def when theres not parents, nor a safe place to raise it.

I think it should be both. have to agree on somthing, but most likly more so of the mothers.. cause she would have closer ties with it.

[saleeka]

This to me is a question that has more to do with the people involved than either a yes she should or no she shouldent answer. If you have sex with someone, you should be well enough able to guage their judgement as being on par with you- Some people like one night stands, some people like no sex till marraige... Whats positive about a woman who you have sex with who has no intentions of keeping a baby if she gets pregnant, tell you she is pregnant, and then she goes and has an abortion, when you are against it? Women have all the say, so what bennifits someone to find out that they "could" have had a child and then dwell on it all their life and think what if? In a perfect world, or relationship, for that matter, there wouldent be an issue of keeping secrets. there is truth in the saying what you dont know cant hurt you... it only bothers you once you know...

[ToYCeLi8]

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this thread, I am just getting back from the hospital. Come to find out, my cousin mis-carried(sp). The baby was 8 months. Just a month to go. I can't believe it. Its sad to have a newborn not even have a chance. The parents have taken it well so far. But it is difficult for them to handle. I'm still praying for them.

David

This post has been edited by ToYCeLi8: Nov 27, 2005 - 9:37 PM

[ToYCeLi8]

Whoops double post

This post has been edited by ToYCeLi8: Nov 27, 2005 - 9:43 PM

[BlackCelicaGT94]

as a girl i would tell the guy yes even if it was a one nighter! I think abortion is ok only if you can not care for that child...but you should not have a 9 abortions and the 10th ones free card. If youre having sex then you should be ready for whatever happens especially if you didnt wrap it up or if the girls not using a pill or something of that sorts. We need to have abortion as an option though for certain cases such as rape or mentally disabled! but if ur opening ur legs or if your putting it to her then you need to be prepared for the worst case!

my mom talks to me everyday how she would love for me to have a baby but we both know im not ready! but yeah i would definetly call the guy up the second I found out and tell him and just let him know my choice..and if i was to keep it and he didnt want to deal with it then fine but i would want him to sign over his parental rights so then i would never speak to him again and i would hope he would never try talk to the child! im not one to try get money..id rather not see him again if he wants nothing to do with the child then sit there and try take him to court for money and have a lousy man in my childs life

[dlx742]

abortion is wrong.... period
its murder. it doesnt matter if you dont want the kid because of financial reasons or if you just dont want a kid because you arent ready
if you dont want it put it up for adoption. its better to have someone adopt it than it is to kill it
what if your parents decided they werent ready for a kid? you wouldnt be here if they had an abortion.

*******And you would never have your 6GC*******

Be Smart... if you dont want a kid dont F***, but if you cant stop having sex then at least wrap your tool or get your girl to go on the pill. its easy, so dont be stupid

[BlackCelicaGT94]

so what about rape? what do you do in that situation? what about the mentally ill that get raped? just let them have the kid and put it up for adoption when they dont know whats going on with their body?

[dlx742]

all i have to say is abortion is murder

if your mom was raped would you of rather had your mom have an abortion or have you so you could be where you are today

[BlackCelicaGT94]

look but you have nothing to say about a situation where a mentally ill/disabled woman is raped and gets pregnant....so yeah u may think of it as murder but it needs to be there for situations such as that!

but yeah u shouldnt be having sex if ur not ready for every possible situation that comes along with it - such as stds, heartbreak, pregnancy etc

[dlx742]

why cant mentally ill or disable women have kids too? are you saying they arent good enough to have a kid just like the rest of the women in the world?

[BlackCelicaGT94]

no not at all...umm u obviously dont have someone mentally disabled in your household. My uncle has cerebal palsbly (Sp?) and he couldnt handle a child....

ive worked with the mentally disabled in special ed and ive grown up with an ucle having CP so ive seen cases where they dont know...and if ones raped u cant tell them THEY HAVE to have the kid!

[dlx742]

abortion is wrong. its killing a person

it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure it out

im sorry if you think it is ok to kill someone

[BlackCelicaGT94]

is the day after pill abortion then?

is masterbating bad then cuz i mean a guy is spitting out his kids at the end of it? so hes killing babies

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:17 PM

[dlx742]

no its not abortion, there was never any conception

a sperm is not a kid, its a sperm, sperm die every day even if a guy doesnt masturbate

if you think masturbation is abortion than having your period is abortion too

think about it

im 17 years old and i can figure it out

you are a person at the moment of conception... when a sperm and an egg join and start splitting into cells. at that exact moment you have a soul and you are a person

now if you stick a drill inside of a girl and take that fetus and blend it into a smoothie, then you just killed someone with a soul

i dont care how you got pregnant, if you are mentally disabled, physically disabled, or just stupid

ABORTION IS WRONG

[BlackCelicaGT94]

ok well then if abortion is wrong then lets ban it and lets see how many people adopt a kid with special needs? would you!? probably not! cuz when people go to adopt they want a perfect kid not a kid who takes extra work!

and how would you feel if you had a mentally disabled daughter who was raped?

when it hits close to home then you talk to me about whether abortion is right or wrong!



edit - abortion will never end! the rich will alwways be able to get an abortion and what happens to the poor who cant get it? they will go to doctors who cant do it right and will end up dying!

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:25 PM

[dlx742]

so you are saying that it would be better to just kill the kid because he has a problem... im sorry he couldnt be perfect for you.

[creis]

^ Its not a kid yet. its just an egg.

If I got a girl pregnet I would hope should would tell me, mainly because I would never want to make a girl go throw a situation as big as that alone, and it takes 2 to make a baby, which means that both people have a say in it. Although the girl has the biggest say maily because its her body and she has to do the most work. anyway I'm all for abortions because if you cant handle the responsobility or cant provide for a chiled then its not fair to that chiled to grow up like that, you see every day thoes comertials about kids digging though dumpters and having no food, most dont live long anyway its very sad to make a baby grow up like that, there are too many already that have to live in foster homes or on the streets.

personlay I take the whole "baby making" very seriously, and I dont have 1 night stands, because I know that I'm not in a position where I can handel a baby or everything that involves.

rape is a compleatly diff thing, its a horrible act and in that situation how on earth could you force the victum to have that chiled maid out of pain and suffering and only going to cause more pain and suffering, and live a horrible life.

you have to understand that not everyone has what we have, we take so many things for granted. So many people have nothing and are hardly able to support them selves yet alone a baby.

is masterbating bad then cuz i mean a guy is spitting out his kids at the end of it? so hes killing babies

LOL, nice. but not a problem if you stop early right?

This post has been edited by creis: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:51 PM

[CheesyLobster]

So i predict... let's see... 20 more posts before this one is locked.

[ToYCeLi8]

So i predict... let's see... 20 more posts before this one is locked.

Haha, that's what I was thinking and what I was afraid of. But that'll be if Natalie and dlx continue. Probably in another 8-10 post.

Well like I mentioned when I 1st started this thread, every1 has their own opinion. Lets just accept it and not turn this into a war.

David

[forkee]

i think i can agree with everyone. yes, abortion is killing. natalie brings up a good point. if u cant bring it up, or it causes complications, or in the instance of rape, i believe that women should have more than one option to do what they feel is in their best interest. true, we have been doing alot of things since we have become more technologically advance, and people who's beliefs are still traditional are hard to convince otherwise. but we still do what we gotta do to survive.

i can also disagree too. abortion is killing. but what exactly are we killing. it hasnt been born, it may not even have a heartbeat, it might not even have taken shape yet. so sperm and egg joined and theres a chemical reaction that initiates a sequence of instructions. we know what will happen and we stop it. millions of unwanted babies are born every year. overpopulation, scarce resources, u know what happens.....of course, if ur mom had an abortion then u wouldnt be born, but thats not the case. u cant talk about the past. if anything changed in the past, it would create an alternate future anyways. what if some lady 20 years ago didnt have an abortion, and her daughter became the love of ur life.....but u cant talk about that because it didnt happen. u cant talk about things that didnt happen. what if there wasnt a big boom. none of us would even be here. but thats not the case. what everyone is concerned about in abortion is the future. we are trying to shape the future into something better for ourselves. just living and breathing today shapes the way our future ancestors will live. we dont want overpopulation and poverty, do we? people will fight over things and wars will break out. every little thing we do now creates a ripple.

so what if im pro choice. to me, those people who are pro life are advocating sex, correct? if u are truly FOR life, you want babies to pop up everywhere and encourage people to have sex so that humans can populate everywhere. reminds me of hippies. "live!! be free!!" yet they fail to see reality because theyre blinded by their own incompetence. just because people are pro choice doesnt mean that they are against life. but, people who are pro life are against choice, and choice is what makes us better at making a sound decision because we acknowledge our options that are available to us at that point in time.

[Blakout16]

im for it.
the girl isnt - she's christian.
just take the steps of using BC and that cool thing called polyeurothane

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Nov 28, 2005 - 3:36 AM

[BlackSTX]

edit - abortion will never end! the rich will alwways be able to get an abortion and what happens to the poor who cant get it? they will go to doctors who cant do it right and will end up dying!

That's exactly my problem with abortion. All the cases that I personally know about are young white girls with money who didn't feel ready to have a baby. They were irresponsible and used it as birth control. All the poor girls I knew who got pregnant at a young age had their babies. Everyone always argues that it's good because people who can't afford to bring a child into the world should have a way out, but that's not who normally has an abortion, at least from what I've seen. It's for irresponsible rich kids who still need to party for a few years before becoming responsible.

[lil_rico]

~AN ABORTION IS AN ABORTION NO MATTER THE SITUATION ~ EXCUSES ARE EXCUSES ~

[Supersprynt]

America's freedoms are being trampled upon, women should have the right to make a choice. Freedom is choice, I'm so tired of people thinking they know better and telling other people what to do. You have a problem with it? Thats fine, nobody is forcing you to do something you dont wanna do so how about those who think what they think is better or more right or should be done that way maybe you shouldnt make someone do something that they dont wanna do.

[WannabeGT4]

Yeah, what happened to the good ol' days when I could go kill someone 'cause they can't function in society or because their mother didn't want them or wasn't ready for them? What gives her more rights than me?
At what point is it no longer ok to kill a baby? right before it's delivered? a month before? 2 months? When is the baby defined as a human being? At conception? When it has a heartbeat? When it can move on it's own?
I believe that life begins at conception. That is when life starts. Without the egg and sperm meeting there would be no life.
To end a life is murder.

The only times I think an abortion should ever be considered is when there are complications in the pregnancy and the womans life is in danger or if she was raped. Other than that, She should take responsibility for her actions. She knows the consequences she should deal with them.

[lil_rico]

Y THE HELL DO ALL U GUYS KEEP SAYING HER THIS HER THAT Y DOESNT THE GUY HAVE A SAY IT TAKES TO NOT JUST HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF U CANT HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF HAVING A KID THEN DONT HAVE SEX OR BE SMART ABOUT IT .... THIS SUBJECT GETS ME GOING NO ONE WILL EVER AGREE ON THIS THATS THE WAY ARE WORLD IS .... SADLY TO SAY

[nik]

everyone is just stating their opion this is all i have to say i have 22 month old boy once you have a kid then you can state your opoin most of the people on here that are talking are under the age of 20 im not siding either way but it should be a joint answer from both the mother and father of the baby oh and its a life once the sprem enters the egg

This post has been edited by nik: Nov 28, 2005 - 4:08 PM

[Supersprynt]

First, caps lock, take it off.

Second, its the womans body, it is ultimately her choice.

Third, Wannabe, you've already changed the context of this argument and I am not arguing about whether its ok to kill human beings I am saying it is the freedom of choice which is the debate. You dont see PRO DEATH or PRO KILLING do you? You see Pro Choice. I feel very strongly about the way this country is being led and its direction is not towards more freedoms and more choices but less and more restrictions. The bottom line is, you do not have the right to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. A baby is part of its mother part of her body until it is born. Dont get me wrong, I do not think an abortion is right after a certain amount of time, however within a time limit I think a mother has the ultimate decision whether or not to keep it.

On the other hand, someone said oh the father has no right to the decision? Well if he DOESNT want it, ands he DOES, whose decision is it ultimately? Hers! So dont bring that up ever again, its null and void.

[WannabeGT4]

Super, the point I was making is that there should be no choice except under extreme circumstances.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing. The choice is wether or not to kill a baby.

Her choice should have been made at the same time she had sex.

It's not part of her body. It's in her body.

Saying that it's ok to kill the baby because it's part of her body is like saying my siamese twin is part of my body so I think I'm going to kill him because it'd be easier for me to live.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Nov 28, 2005 - 5:00 PM

[Benevolence]

luckily I don't believe people have souls and the experiences in life are what make them so if a fetus is aborted its nothing to celebrate about but I'd rather that than a unloved or uncared for child (this world has enough of those)

[lil_rico]

~ABORTION IS AN ABORTION EITHER WAY U WANNA BELIEVE ITS RIGHT OR WRONG ~ I WAS JUST STATING MY OWN OPION THATS ALLLLL ~ AND U WONT UNDERSTAND UNTIL U HAVE A KID~

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I agree with Super! You cant tell someone what they can or cant do with their body...

except for cases such as someone with Cerebal Palsby or something of that sorts!

anyways as a girl i want the choice to be there so if i was raped i could have an abortion...if i went around having sex with no condom and no bc and got pregnant then yeah i most likely would keep the baby cuz im most likely having sex with someone I love and if they dont wanna be a part of that babies life then TO HELL WITH THEM and i wont try get any money from them cuz they dont wanna be there so why try make them attached to the child in any way

[ILuvMyCelica95]

~AN ABORTION IS AN ABORTION NO MATTER THE SITUATION ~ EXCUSES ARE EXCUSES ~

Y THE HELL DO ALL U GUYS KEEP SAYING HER THIS HER THAT Y DOESNT THE GUY HAVE A SAY IT TAKES TO NOT JUST HER !!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF U CANT HANDLE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF HAVING A KID THEN DONT HAVE SEX OR BE SMART ABOUT IT .... THIS SUBJECT GETS ME GOING NO ONE WILL EVER AGREE ON THIS THATS THE WAY ARE WORLD IS .... SADLY TO SAY

~ABORTION IS AN ABORTION EITHER WAY U WANNA BELIEVE ITS RIGHT OR WRONG ~ I WAS JUST STATING MY OWN OPION THATS ALLLLL ~ AND U WONT UNDERSTAND UNTIL U HAVE A KID~

mmmmk, Hi caps lock. I don’t think anyone is debating what and abortion is… we all know an abortion is an abortion… so I really don’t know why you keep saying that.
Second, everyone says HER because the woman is the one who has to go through 9months of carrying a child; they have to deal with changes in their bodies, and labor and all that. Someone correct me if I’m wrong here but I’m pretty sure that’s the gist of that.

Ok so the topic is moving in too many directions here. This is a question of if someone has the freedom to choose, not if it is right or wrong. That is your opinion. I have mixed feelings on the issue concerning if it is right or not, but I do think that you should have the right to choose what you want to do with your life; it doesn’t mean I condone it. I also think with the right information, availability of birth control, condoms, promoting safe sex, and the morning after pill, there won’t be a high demand for abortions. And I think that’s all I have to say right now.

[ZRboy]

Um, wow. This is a very touchy subject, and I don't think anybody is ever going to agree on the issue.
As a pharmacist, I see many people come in for the morning after pill. Recently, one customer stated that she had an abortion two weeks ago, and wanted the morning after pill now.
The issue is very sensitive, and I think should be dealt with on a case by case basis. If people are being irresponsible and having unprotected sex, then do you think they are going to be responsible as parents? No, of course they aren't. Is this fair on a child?
I personally don't think it is fair on the baby to be bought into the world as a mistake, when the parents will resent the baby. Rape cases are the perfect example. If the parents think they can cope with a baby, then yes, by all means, abortion is wrong.
Everybody is already offended by what has been said on this post, and will probably be offended by what I have just said. But just remeber, everybody is entitled to an opinion. Your opinion is yours and yours alone.

[creis]

This is just one of thoes things the general public has no right to control, nor the goverment, eveyone should have the choice to keep or not keep a baby regardless of the situation it was created in and regardless of how rich or poor they are, and we all need to respect the choice people make regardless of how we feel about it. Obviouly thoes who take advantage of abortions need to be edgucaded in the risks of taking sex to lightly, and the risks of haveing repeited abortions, and or multiple sex partners.

[Supersprynt]

Super, the point I was making is that there should be no choice except under extreme circumstances.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing. The choice is wether or not to kill a baby.

Her choice should have been made at the same time she had sex.

It's not part of her body. It's in her body.

Saying that it's ok to kill the baby because it's part of her body is like saying my siamese twin is part of my body so I think I'm going to kill him because it'd be easier for me to live.

Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant. I dont have a problem with you, this is the internet and you cant tell my context but only the words you & write. Pro choice is not pro killing, KNOW that.

What if the condom broke? What if her birth control didnt work? Its not 100%, she made the choice to have sex, not to have a baby.

And no, not until a certain point (where abortion should be a def. no no & already is) the baby cannot survive w/o the mother and is attached to the mother via the uterus.

[jgreening]

Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant.

I think his statement is quite rational and informed myself. What about abortion right before delivery? Are you saying that is not pro-killing? The fact is that at some point during the pregnancy, the baby is able to live outside the womb without the mother. The fact that women can abort after that point is shameful in my opinion because the woman is choosing to kill the baby (or terminate the pregnancy for you people that like to mince words) instead of going through the discomfort of child birth. For the time period before that, its a more difficult question IMO.

As for this "freedom" argument, I think people can take it too far. Society sets up all kinds of laws that each take away freedom but which are beneficial. For example: Its against the law to run a red light. Does that take away freedom? Sure. But, it also makes perfect sense and nobody would suggest it is "bad" merely because people are not free to do so. The same can be said for murder. Sure, the murderer has his "freedom" to kill taken away but most of us agree that the losing this freedom is a good thing. This brings us to abortion. For those that believe that life begins sometime prior to birth, a law to protect that innocent life is justified and the liberty interest in getting rid of the baby hardly worth protecting.

This post has been edited by jgreening: Nov 28, 2005 - 11:29 PM

[dlx742]

i thought about this, sorta

i think an abortion is wrong period, but in some small cases it could b acceptable i.e. rape. but if a person is just going to use abortion just because they dont want a baby now then that is wrong. if you are going to have sex you should know of the consequences. if you make the choice to have sex, then u need to accept the fact that a kid might come of it, no matter how careful you are. you need to be able to accept the fact that you might get pregnant/ get someone else pregnant and that if you do abortion should not be the "easy way out"

an abortion is only justifiable if having the baby endangers the girls life liek if she is way too young to give birth, or if you were raped and you absolutely can not have a child.

an abortion is wrong if having sex was your decision. because ultimately the child was your decision too

[WannabeGT4]

Super,
My opinion is that a fertalized egg is a life. Therefore killing that embryo is taking a life. So, too me, Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death. The fact that I think it's a life means that it's no different than killing a full grown human.

Why are people so afraid of responsibility? Everyone knows that birth control is not 100% guaranteed. That's a chance that she takes and she should be prepared to deal with the consequences. Baby killing should not be an option. Again this is just my opinion and I'm sure you won't agree.

It's obvious that we have different views of when a life begins and I don't think anything is going to change that.

[creis]

if you make the choice to have sex, then u need to accept the fact that a kid might come of it, no matter how careful you areyou need to be able to accept the fact that you might get pregnant/ get someone else pregnant and that if you do abortion should not be the "easy way out"

very good point, absolutly true.

we have different views of when a life begins

Yep. at what point is it a life, and no longer a chemical reaction.

[Supersprynt]

Thats right your saying there should be no choice, in America your saying there should be no choice.

Pro Choice doesnt mean pro-death or pro killing. Why do I know this? Because I rather not see babies killed but at conception its not a baby, its a fertilized egg and I'm pro choice. You should be ashamed of yourself for making this comment, its quite ignorant.

I think his statement is quite rational and informed myself. What about abortion right before delivery? Are you saying that is not pro-killing? The fact is that at some point during the pregnancy, the baby is able to live outside the womb without the mother. The fact that women can abort after that point is shameful in my opinion because the woman is choosing to kill the baby (or terminate the pregnancy for you people that like to mince words) instead of going through the discomfort of child birth. For the time period before that, its a more difficult question IMO.

As for this "freedom" argument, I think people can take it too far. Society sets up all kinds of laws that each take away freedom but which are beneficial. For example: Its against the law to run a red light. Does that take away freedom? Sure. But, it also makes perfect sense and nobody would suggest it is "bad" merely because people are not free to do so. The same can be said for murder. Sure, the murderer has his "freedom" to kill taken away but most of us agree that the losing this freedom is a good thing. This brings us to abortion. For those that believe that life begins sometime prior to birth, a law to protect that innocent life is justified and the liberty interest in getting rid of the baby hardly worth protecting.

You forgot to quote me where I say until a certain time the fetus cant live outside the body, and that I agree theres a definate point where abortion just isnt an option.

And when can you call it life when is it a baby, thats never going to be settled, thats never going to be agreed upon, this argument, will never be agreed upon. IMO theres a definite point where abortion cannot be an option, but there is a point where it is. Even if there are severe restrictions on this I'm fine with it. But definately restrictions. All the rest of that argument comes down to when is it life when is it a real baby and not just a fetus that cant be outside the mother yet.

[dlx742]

we have different views of when a life begins
Yep. at what point is it a life, and no longer a chemical reaction.

this is what its all about, this determines whether an abortion is murder or just getting rid of a pile of splitting cells. i personally believe that it is a human being at the moment of conception, that might be my 12 years of catholic school or the fact that it is the logical thing to believe.

This post has been edited by dlx742: Nov 29, 2005 - 12:07 AM

[Supersprynt]

religion & logic dont go together.

The moment of conception its basically 2 cells...thats not human being.

[creis]

^ true, I think untill its hard beats and its brain is running its just a pile of cells at work. like the ingrediants to a cake, toss em all in a bowl and you got a pile of crap in a bowl, its not a cake till you mix it up and shove it in the oven.

[Ethnykceli]

I am totally against abortion. However, I do belive every body has a choice, thats what makes us human. I also belive that life starts at conception. However you look at it, you cannot really say any thing about it untill your put in to that situation. Thats how life is.

[Ethnykceli]

religion & logic dont go together.

The moment of conception its basically 2 cells...thats not human being.

I do belive that the moment of conception is where life starts. It might not be the first breath, or heart beat. but it is in the process of becoming human. It is still ending a life.

This post has been edited by Ethnykceli: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:36 AM

[lil_rico]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

[ILuvMyCelica95]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

If a girl you had relations with, YES EVEN A 1 NIGHT STAND, got pregnant with YOUR child (don't argue, its YOURS), and she had an abortion, would you want to know before she did it? Or not be told at all and be fine with it after its done?

Yes you can state your reasons why you would or wouldn't have a baby now.

For me, I would DEFINATLY want to know. Even though it might not be planned, I feel if it took 2 people to make a child, then those 2 people should decide whether or not to keep the child. Right now I am going through some rough times financially so I know I cannot raise a child. My mind set isn't ready either. I really don't plan on having a child until I am about 28, so 6 more years. An abortion is a major descision so it does take time to make sure it is the one you want to make and not regret it. Realistically, I would prefer to put the baby up for adoption. Save a life and help a family.

Mods: I hope this doesn't start a war on 6gc, its just something I took serious when it was so close to my family. So members please do not attack other people's opinions.

David

Actually we have all moved away from the original question.

[lil_rico]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

This post has been edited by lil_rico: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:41 PM

[ILuvMyCelica95]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

Your ignorance amuses me. I never said I was right, and I do agree that no one will agree on this topic, but your previous statement about “your final opinion” doesn’t really make sense because that is not what the dispute is about. I was merely pointing that out to you, and there is no need for the caps lock, it’s quite aggravating.

[nik]

thats the best thing i've heard yet just close the topic

[lil_rico]

my final opion is i guess u dont understand until u have a child u dont know how much u love someone until u go through preg and giving birth and so on ....

That statement doesn’t even make sense. The argument is not that people don’t understand that giving birth and having a child is a wonderful thing. The argument is whether someone who is pregnant should have the choice to abort their pregnancy or not.

OK I GUESS U KNOW EVERYTHING SOOO NO ONE REPLY SHE KNOWS IT ALL SHE WINS PLUS NO ONE WILL EVER AGREEE ON THIS SOOOOOOOO IT SHOULD BE CLOSED

Your ignorance amuses me. I never said I was right, and I do agree that no one will agree on this topic, but your previous statement about “your final opinion” doesn’t really make sense because that is not what the dispute is about. I was merely pointing that out to you, and there is no need for the caps lock, it’s quite aggravating.

~EVERYONE IS MAKING THERE OWN OPION ON THIS SOOO I WAS JUST STATING MINE YEAH NO ONE WILL AGREEE ON THIS AND IF U DONT LIKE WHAT I WROTE GET OVER IT I THNK ITS FUNNY THIS WHOLE CAPS THING BOTHERS ALOT OF PPL IM NOT SURE Y BUT OH WELL ... AND DONT REPLY BACK TO THIS CUZ ITS NOT WORTH MY TIME THIS SUBJECT IS PRETTY MUCH OTHER WITH

This post has been edited by lil_rico: Nov 29, 2005 - 1:50 PM

[presure2]

i really wanna leave this open..so you guys can debate your little hearts out...
but, if you cant control yourselfs...it WILL be closed.

[nik]

can a mod lock this

[BlackCelicaGT94]

^ agreed!

[forkee]

nah keep it open

i want a good clean fight

just keep it above the belt

[scothaniel]

Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control... there are plenty of options for that. I've seen women who have had more then 3 abortions and they should be sterilized in my opinion. But to eliminate abortion would be foolish; and to think that banning abortion would stop them from happening is simply nieve. All it would do is create the same under ground network of doctors that existed in the 60's and 70's, and increase the risks involved to the women. My wife and I are both pro-choice, and we would be willing to fight (protest) to keep the right available, though we couldn't never go through with an abortion ourselves.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing.

You make Death and Killing sound like its a bad thing! There are plenty of people in the world that shouldn't be alive - Violent criminals, sociopathic lunitics, genocidal dictators, whoever designed the Chrysler K-car....

[nik]

just let this thing die (the post)

[WannabeGT4]

Abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control... there are plenty of options for that. I've seen women who have had more then 3 abortions and they should be sterilized in my opinion. But to eliminate abortion would be foolish; and to think that banning abortion would stop them from happening is simply nieve. All it would do is create the same under ground network of doctors that existed in the 60's and 70's, and increase the risks involved to the women. My wife and I are both pro-choice, and we would be willing to fight (protest) to keep the right available, though we couldn't never go through with an abortion ourselves.

Pro Choice is the same as Pro Death / Killing.

You make Death and Killing sound like its a bad thing! There are plenty of people in the world that shouldn't be alive - Violent criminals, sociopathic lunitics, genocidal dictators, whoever designed the Chrysler K-car....

OK, but I don't see babies on that list.

[LewFX]

abortion sux, theres always someone who will adopt any kid, no reason to kill.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

yeah there may be people who will adopt any kid but not ENOUGH of those people for how many kids their are

[snapshotgt]

Ok people..here it is…

I’m all for free choice…and that whole thing…BUT when one can not make a responsible decision for life, she/he should not be making the decision…

Now rape is another issue….but my stand it the same…

For example, some of us might not have been here if a rape baby’s mother was not courageous enough to have the child…somewhere along the chain of our relatives, I’m sure you’d see that if your relative had had a abortion…you would not be here…everybody plays a role…

This probably sounds jumbled…but I’m trying to say basically that you would not be here writing on this forum if one of you relatives (no matter how far back) had had an abortion…

More babies have been aborted than if you were to total up ALL the deaths in ALL the wars…just to give you an idea of the magnitude…very, very sad.

Hope this one post might change someone’s view on this subject…ABORTION IS NO WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS PROBLEM…sex is a very sacred thing - - people need to rethink wtf they’re doing. And no, condoms and pills are NOT the answer…

-snapshotgt

[LewFX]

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