Never get into the Modding world, The celi is just not right. Options

[soulshadow]

After thinking for a while now I am dissatisfied with the celi with the 4age engine. There are just so many cars out there that can perform so much better and go so much faster. Maybe its just me and maybe its just my crappy tuning that sucked cause my car won't go any faster, but after a while. I'm begining to think that I should have never got into the Modding scene in the first place. There is no prize and there is no trophy for beating your rivals on the streets and there is no Reputation to keep when your ride gets totaled.

So basically, for those of you starting out your Modding career in the car world, keep this in mind. A stock car came in like crap to begin with, when you start out adjusting every feature in the stock car to make it look different and perform different from the rest. Your just pooring more and more cash into a car that would probbaly turn out to be different at the end and end up as something that could never quench your thirst. If you want a fast car, get one to begin with and then start modding from there. In the end, the time you waste and the efforts and money you put in will pay off. If you start with a slow car, nothing will change unless you have deep pockets. The Celica 6Gen is just not worth it to Modd nor any other cars that came in N/A with a Slow A** engine.

[dustin15brown]

I totally disagree..... Tuning and modding a car defines you. It shows the world and yourself who the real "you" is. It's not about money.... Sure there are other things you coulda done with that money, but just think of everything you learn while you are working on your car..... It's amazing.... Also, our cars aren't meant for speed from the factory, and thats where the 3sgte, 3sge, among other engines come into play. Many "pioneers" are here to help with everything and make things go smoothly, our car has amazing potential.... All it takes is the desire to make it done correctly. If I wreck my car, then so what? Sure it's nice now, but it's only a metal object.... So while the car is there make it different from everyone else if that is how you are defined..... but dont become a little upset and trash everyone elses dreams or goals.

[jgreening]

I actually agree with Soul Shadow IF your goals are just to have and drive a fast car. For some of us, the process of selecting the modifications and seeing them through to completion is a hobby which we enjoy. Hobbies cost money and this one is certainly not cheap. Maybe I should get into stamp collecting? Nah.........I will stick to forced induction .

[Chanh55]

Soulshadow, I agree with you to a point.

Modding my car is a hobby to myself. I'm not here to impress anyone. It's mostly for myself, it makes me happy to work and mod my celi. I think, as with most hobbies, it requires money, even "deep" pockets: Golf, skiing, mountain biking, computer gaming... whatever.

[Hawkins Corp]

I am a 16 year old that just started out in the so called "moding world". I love it i can use the knowledge that i learn over the years and start a carer in theautomotive industry.

So i agree and disagree if you are getting into cars b/c of fast and the ferious **** then no you shouldnt start but if you truly love cars and want to take it up as a hobby then yes you should get into it.
Like the others have said its YOUR car and YOUR modifications it tells others on what you like. And whats wrong with the satisfation that you can beat up on other "tunners" on the streets it shows that you love your car and you put time and money into it.

I think its your choice you shouldnt try and change the views or ideas so what you have bad luck with cars(lol) that dosnt mean you should discourage others that are interested.

[playr158]

here is a thought if you don't like it....
sell it and be done with it thank you!


oh and i wouldn't blame the car for being slow and stuff...its just you A) don't have enough money or didn't use it wisely
or b) made wrong decisions and therefor don't benfit from a good one

This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 5, 2005 - 2:17 PM

[Alexander]

here is a thought if you don't like it....
sell it and be done with it thank you!

Dern right!

For me its simply something that I have fun with....plus if i wasnt spending my money on this id be spending it on something else thats for sure. And not to mention that im not dumb enough to rcae my ride on the streets and get it smashed up.

[Nigel]

This is a question i have asked myself and my freind who spent $10,000 modding his car, i also spent $2,000 on my old car that could only had 90bhp.
So I bought a car i know i was going to keep for years (celica) then slowly have started to mod it. Im starting of with a car that looks nice and has 173bhp. And ive seen first hand at a cruise this car modded to hell and it was the car of the cruise. You name it, it had it! Thats why i bought the celica.
Also dont you ever look at some crappy cars like a corsa or a saxo and think that they are a crap car. i bought my celica for the same if not less then them. Its faster, it looks a hell of a lot better and cos its older and costed less its lower on insurance (also remember when celica first came out it was 24,000 pounds). Thats what i think!! Other the pond in the UK there are like 100-1000 saxos to 1 celica maybe more. And then how many of those celica do i see modded?? very few. (Well i see one modded daily )

This post has been edited by Nigel: Dec 5, 2005 - 2:46 PM

[JoKeRkId613]

I don't know guys. I mean, I've been on here for maybe 2 years now, but soulshadow is right. This is pointless. There is no prize and I don't think I'll ever be the best or have the fastest car or anything. I'm thinking I should sell the Celi and get me something like a hatchback Civic with a Type R motor in it. Lmao. Yeah riiiiiight! Until I can afford a car that's "fast from the factory", I'm staying with the Celi. My plans are to keep the Celi forever. I have so much pride in that car that I want to show my kids and everything. So if you can afford a fast factory car then go for it. Porsche, Ferrari, whatever it is, that'd be nice. I would love to do that. But I can't because I'm only 18 and don't have as much money as I wish I did. I'd rather have my Celi that girls think looks "real nice" "hot" "fast" "like a supra" whatever. lol. I'd rather have that than a rice machine that can do 10 seconds in a 1/4 mile.

This post has been edited by JoKeRkId613: Dec 5, 2005 - 2:52 PM

[Drew-887]

Well Soulshadow all i have to say is that maybe you should have put more thought into you car before modding it. If you wanted an engine with good low end power you should have just asked someone for advise on what to buy. Maybe you should have just saved some more money for a 4agze or 3S instead or silvertop. Im still a newby in this hobby so thats what I would have done.

[vangSTa_celica]

Man, all I ever see from your posts are complaints about your Celica. I'm sure there's people out there who'd scoop it right out of your hands for a decent price so you can go and buy something that satisifies you.

[Nigel]

I'm sure there's people out there who'd scoop it right out of your hands for a decent price so you can go and buy something that satisifies you

Like a saxo or corsa lol. What ever car you get at the age of 16-21 will be slow cos of insurance. I cant get a scooby till im 25.

[celicarus]

the celica is one of the finest sport coupe - when i had bought this car - i looked at others including hondas, nissan, mazda, porsche (i wish) - for a reasonably priced car the 5sfe engine was the best in its class - comparing the interior/ exteriro of the celica to other models that had fallen witihn the 94-99 years - the shape and size of the celica was the best sporty looking coupe (my opinion)

the looks of the celica was what made me decide to buy it - i really did not know much about the history of the celica when i bought it - but 3 years down the road - after doing research about performance for it - first i got disappointed finding very little upgrade options, which made me think about trading it in for something else, but after I found out about the 3sgte - i stuck with the celica -

if you want a well tuned car - you should spend your time and money wisely - by saving up for the best engine within the celica class - many of us here have repeatedly mentioned - don't waste your time doing it cheap, because it'll end up costing more in the long run - do it right the first time - meaning get an engine that was built for high end performance

of course if you had the money - you can buy a new fast car to start off with and then modd it later down the road - new car - means montly loan repayments on that car - equals less money to spend modding the car (i doubt any one here would go out to buy a car and pay it off right there and then, whats the point in that, unless ur filthy rich -)

on the other hand - getting a used car - allows you to pay it off quickly - or paying in full - when the car is paid for you can actually call it yours - you can modd it how ever you want - without making payments on it - more money to modd -

I'm not sure which gen 4age you have - but in my opinion thats a slow engine to start off with - you can spend so much money on that engine and gain probably max of 240 hp (info from http://www.ae92gts.com/3a1.html and http://www.users.bigpond.com/vidore/toyota_4age_engine.htm)
- you would spend too much money modding that engine to gain 240hp, but if you started out with a stock 2nd gen or 3rd gen 3sgte -you're already starting out with more than 200 hp. - then with upgrades here and there - you can easily obtain 275 hp without spending too much money - but this engine can go more than 500 hp that i have read -

your complaint about the celica cannot be justified in my opinion - sorry for the long post to this

[Insanity-74]

I cant get a scooby till im 25.

Why on this earth would you want a Scooby???? give yerself a slap...they are comon as muck, everyother car on the street is a Scooby Poo, If you wanna be different its defo not the car to go with, get yoursely a GT4 and leave the Scoobies in your dust, as well as having somthing of a rarity and a rallying legend.

[JoKeRkId613]

maybe im half retarded, but what's a scooby? ive heard of srt-4's being called skittles and civics being called rice burners but i never heard of scooby, and insanity's sig says scooby killer on it so this must be a common thing. what's a scooby? thanks.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Subaru, I think

[Celica_Fan]

scoobies ain't that fast.

[JFrost9]

i know for me, the only reasons why i bought my celica were:

A) i knew they lasted awile
B) not quite as common as others
C) i love the way they look...to me this is probably the best looking car out there (without spending a ton of money)... i know thats a stretch for alot of other people...but i just think it looks so smooth and clean. For me, this is my dream car until i get outa college and can get me a much more updated car. But ill always have this celica, and its so much fun to learn about this car, and aftermarket parts... my whole attitude towards this is you only live once, and why not enjoy it? I get no greater joy then learning something new about my car, and fixing it up. and i havent even started on the engine!!!!

[BBoYRuGGeD]

heck i've spent maybe more than 10 grand on my car and am still saving up for more upgrades. its a hobby, a very expensive hobby. but the satisfaction i get from driving my car IS my reward. i dont need recognition or some kinda prize, it just brings a smile on my face whenever i drive the celi. even before the 3sgte came along, my little 7afe still did me proud. i miss that little bugger...lol

btw why dont u try taking ur 4age powered celi to the track souls? u might get more satisfaction from ur car that way and u might even realize what a damn good engine u've got.

bboy

[Nigel]

scoobies ain't that fast.

I could get into trouble here. But remember i chose the celica over a scooby.
Well scoobys are aggressive looking and celicas are more sleek.
I knew about the scooby before the celica i think its every boys racers wannabe car, but the celica is the better overall car its the clever persons car.

Scooby stats:
Turbo 2000 4WD 208bhp mph144 0-60 6.4 mpg 29.9
Celica GT4 stats:
2.0 GT-Four 4WD 239bhp mph153 0-60 6.1 mpg 27.2
Also insurance is better on celica lower group.

what's a scooby?

Nick name for Subaru

soulshadow post a pic of ur car

This post has been edited by Nigel: Dec 5, 2005 - 6:43 PM

[dlx742]

the thing you have to keep in mind when you say your car is "slow" is that there will always be a car that is faster than you. always.

you have to remember, its not always about how fast you can go or if you win or lose. its about the time and commitment you put into your car and the knowledge and good times you got out of it.

in the end its all worth it

[JoKeRkId613]

i really dont know wut ure talking about cuz the silvertop is an awesome engine. lots of high end power. i havent heard coomer complain about that crap so i dont know wut ure talkin about.

the thing you have to keep in mind when you say your car is "slow" is that there will always be a car that is faster than you. always.

very good point.

[RocketScott]

Yes, your tuning probably sucks. That's not the car's fault.

I bought my celica because I really like the lines of the car. I could have bought something with higher performance but I needed a back seat and some trunk space. Even though this is my extra vehicle and not a daily driver. Price wasn't an issue. I looked at the new Zs, VW's, Hondas and in the end decided that I wanted something that stood out and I didn't see every day. The 6gen Celicas have moved me since they first came out and I always wanted one. The worth of my car goes beyond the horsepower and torque values. I know that if I wanted to I can take the car to a higher level. For right now I'm happy the way it is. I smile when I drive my Celica, that's my trophy. What's that worth?

If I want to go fast I have access to a Ducati 999. Yes it's a great bike right out of the box and I can cruise at 120 no problem. I still get a great deal of satisfaction riding my older Seca II though. Since I've owned it I've done about all I can to the engine and gained about 20 horses. Not bad considering it was around 86bhp out of the factory. It took forever to get the carbs just right and tune the intake and exhaust. There's a certain joy in catching another rider off guard with that bike. I can smoke just about anyone on the Ducati, but then again they see it coming. On the Seca II noone has a clue till I light it up.

[Ale_lock]

Only mistake I'll say you committed doing was not having done the research on the potential of the car, a lot of you guys are stating that you guys are satisfied with your progress on your cars but also state that there isn't much that we can do with them either when it comes to performance which is what he is realizing.

Yeah, it might of been possible that during his progress to add more performance to his car that he might of chosen wrong with the areas he might of started with but unlike ex: Civics where you can get up to 15hp with just a bolt-on or two, we're lucky for anything near 5hp, our stock engines aren't as responsive to bolt-on's as other cars so yeah, it might be his fault for needing more money to go beyond such methods but that’s because we already know that it's standard to swap or turbo if we want decent gains unlike other cars where with a few bolt-on's their owners will get some noticeable gains and be satisfied with just that.

As easily as some can say to sell your car and you messed up, we can also recommend low-cost tuning solutions or just tell him to save for a engine and recommend one that is based on his driving style, that’s being lazy to not give any advice to the guy and makes the environment look hostile for newcomers.

P.S. I myself am planning to own a Shinka RX-8 because I ain’t satisfied with the performance aspects of the car although I am not planning on selling it either if I do obtain another car, I love it for its handling, plain and simple, it handles well and I’ve grown to be content with how it is.

[DJWashington]

Sorry guys but i'd take an sti over a gt4 any day, I'd also trade my celi for a 95 impreza rs 5-speed...both bad little cars. I like my celica, i just know that subeys are faster. Actually most stuff is. And I agree. If u want a fast car, start with the best platform you can afford. But if you want a celica, or any car for that matter, go ahead. Just dont expect your gonna build it and kill everything. I hate when people buy ugly hatchback civics and then talk about doin motor swaps all day, if u want a fast car then buy one. "my 2 cents"

[lagos]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

I think that you should try enjoying what you've built and don't worry about what it isn't. Like somebody else said, there will always be a faster car than yours. It's just all if you enjoy the fruits of your labor.

I see modifying as bringing a car to its full potential. In the case of our Celicas, it can be done with great sucess and at a fraction of the cost of similar performers.

EDIT- I think real enjoyment of your swap could be found if you step back to understand the purpose of that motor....its an awesome engine that was designed to operate at 10/10, day in and day out reliably, and rev high with a quick linear throttle response only found in a low-displacement flyweight 4 cylinder. Sure its not the fastest motor, but its the balance and potential available with the 20v that you may not realize. Enjoy it for all its worth, because I would have fun with that thing if it were mine.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Dec 6, 2005 - 1:19 AM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I see modifying as bringing a car to its full potential. In the case of our Celicas, it can be done with great sucess and at a fraction of the cost of similar performers.

Full potential can be argued. And as far as a fraction of a cost, these cars seem to be higher priced. Soulshadow, you can build that 4age. There's no need to stop were your at. If I were you, I might leave stuff off and gut the car, and build the motor. Then you'd really be moving.

[macavely]

Modding for me is just something that brings a smile to my face once i'm done...makes me feel like damn i'm actually good at something... my frist car had close to 30k of parts in and on it... my frist job every pay check i got for a year and half went into my car... didn't pay for labor cause either my dad and his friend did the work or i did it... i guess i got into cars .. back when my oldest cousin got his ae86 back in the late 80's .. it was a blue top with black bottom... an everytime i saw him .. i made him pop the hood... it was the most beautiful think i had ever seen ... any and everything that could be chrome was... then everything is was a glossy black .... i would always tell myself that i wanted i car like that when i got older... an i did for a while... (mac stops and cries for a bit.. remebering the audi ) and I WILL AGAIN...

[Kwanza26]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

It's pointless for me to make an intelligent response... so I'll just quote the truth...

[_rz_]

I don't know why are you calling scoobys slow... a WRX STI isn't slow with 320 bhp I just think that they are ugly looking (as is evolution).
We had a meet about 2 month ago and we put an 2003 WRX sti, a Lancer evolution VII and a '96 GT-FOUR side by side and guess wich car looked better I don't like sedans trying to be sport cars.... for me celica is a legend.
For me it started when I first saw a st185 gt-four. 2 years later I bought my SSI and 16 month later I sold it and bought a gt-four. I'm happy 'cause it's been my dream for 4 years and I made it come true. But all the time I had my SSI it was the best car in the world for me.

And by the way - you will never be the fastest one around, but you can always be the one that loves his car the most.

[purplegt4]

if you are getting into cars b/c of fast and the furious then no, you shouldnt start

you've been watching too many movies from what i've seen you posting and this certainly isn't the first time you're complaining about your car.

if you want a trophy why dont you actually RACE your car on a track? scca? your motor would be ggRRRRReat! for it. wouldn't you think so? or are you still racing in a straight line?

Man, all I ever see from your posts are complaints about your Celica.

[Project95St202]

It is hard to start a project & realize at the end that some where along that long road you have made a mistake. Celica .... no it's does not pull 10 second on 1/4 mile runs but yet somewhere along the time it stands in a unique position to covers up for those couple second you can't make in 1/4 mile runs.
As far as your buy a slow car / fast theory ? WTF are you talking about buy a fast car to build a fast car ? Everyone knows people who loves power + speed will never be satisfied no matter how many HP or how fast they go. If you want that much speed join the air force and learn to fly a jet . . . .

[Nigel]

Everyone knows people who loves power + speed will never be satisfied no matter how many HP or how fast they go. If you want that much speed join the air force and learn to fly a jet . . . .

LOL

I don't know much about the 4age or ur previous engine, looks like you just didnt ask someone first sounds like you would have been better turboing ur stock engine. What bhp is your car now???
I think for any car 150bhp is gd. 200bhp is better
But remember i think i read somewhere that your only 18 so you wouldnt get insurance on a 200bhp+ car.

[presure2]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

It's pointless for me to make an intelligent response... so I'll just quote the truth...

3rd.

[Guest_mon3y19_*]

to me it's not how fast my car can go...it's about the the celica...if you dont like it...sell it and get something else that will satisfy you...i love the celica the way it is...

[Nibbe]

Pls man don't complain about ur celi or about that its not as fast as u want to. I can tell u that everything is enough for u something like 3weeks or so. Just incase ur running over 300whp that might not happen so fast and the pleasure might last longer. If u want ur car to go fast and look good and u want it to be well everything.. just start from somewhere and oneday ur celi might be that everything. If u want everything right now u gotta have lots of funds on ur pockets otherwise its impossible. I love my celi and ive decided to first make it look good from inside and outside and after that go and start working under the hood. I cant wait my celi to come from bodyshop in a month and see she's wearing her new bodykit. I have to go into army in a month and spend one year there so during that i cant do almost anything for my celi and that sucks. After that im planning to swap my 3S-GE to 3S-GTE and put some hp on my beaty. And like someone said dont forget all the mods u have done just remember to enjoy of them. Theres always someone faster than u and u dont either like to lose race for them. Thats why the cars with lower hps dont race with u cos theyre gonna lose.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Everyone knows people who loves power + speed will never be satisfied no matter how many HP or how fast they go. If you want that much speed join the air force and learn to fly a jet . . . .

LOL

I don't know much about the 4age or ur previous engine, looks like you just didnt ask someone first sounds like you would have been better turboing ur stock engine. What bhp is your car now???
I think for any car 150bhp is gd. 200bhp is better
But remember i think i read somewhere that your only 18 so you wouldnt get insurance on a 200bhp+ car.

He has a decent platform to start on with the 4age. That's what they're about. The reason I think he's not happy is because he put that engine in there and then said, "I'm done." He's taken the first step at least. It's all about potential.

[purplegt4]

one more thing...if you want speed get a bike.

[Manta5x]

i know for me, the only reasons why i bought my celica were:

A) i knew they lasted awile
B) not quite as common as others
C) i love the way they look...to me this is probably the best looking car out there (without spending a ton of money)... i know thats a stretch for alot of other people...but i just think it looks so smooth and clean. For me, this is my dream car until i get outa college and can get me a much more updated car. But ill always have this celica, and its so much fun to learn about this car, and aftermarket parts... my whole attitude towards this is you only live once, and why not enjoy it? I get no greater joy then learning something new about my car, and fixing it up. and i havent even started on the engine!!!!

well said , I agree

[CelicaBuddy]

Modding is fun tho

Haha I dont even touch the engine... i just love the way the Celica looks, so i make it look better with the crap i've done to mine

[95CelicaST]

I personally am satisfied with the way my car is now. I mean.. we have a very uncommon car, there isn't one sharp line on it, and I don't know how many times I come out of a store and have people looking at it. If I only had 1000 dollars to put into my Celi I would lower it, get some DCW blocks and Sway bars. I wouldn't touch the engine. I know our cars are slow, but dear god appreciate what you have!

[nik]

i've put way more money then i should have into my car and i know if someone hits me its all gone but i'm finally getting close to how i want my car the engine is where i want it to be the exterior is coming along the suspension and interior are the next things on my list

[creamed_corn]

I don't think the celica is a bad car in context. my 5S just rolled over 175k and it'll still turn over in sub-zero temperatures without a hitch. That's a good car. It's also on its 11th winter (without garage) and the body rot is ZERO... that is a good car. None of the mechanicals or electronics have failed yet. The paint is still vibrant. The interior upholstery hasn't torn. And the odd thing is I'm not even all that nice to my car.

The celica is a mircale if it can hold up that well after a decade.

Might not be fast, might not handle the best anymore, but if that's why you got it, then you made a bad choice.

The cup holders suck, though.

edit--oh yeah, plus the sexy thing. people always stare at the car and admire it. "is that new" "must've cost you a leg" bla bla. Lets see your EVO get that kind of attention. A celica is a car anyone can appreciate. You'd be suprised how many people believe me when I jokingly tell them I spent $28,000 when I brought the car.

This post has been edited by creamed_corn: Dec 6, 2005 - 6:30 PM

[celicaGT96]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

It's pointless for me to make an intelligent response... so I'll just quote the truth...

3rd.

ooh yah, 4th
.......sorry I had to

This post has been edited by celicaGT96: Dec 6, 2005 - 11:31 PM

[soulshadow]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

well first of all:
1.) Im not a mechanic
2.) Im not that rich
3.) I have an ST not a GT
4.) I don't know how to wield
5.) I don't have the tools
6.) I wanted to do it myself
7.) I thought It would be easy.....
8.) .......you get the picture

[nik]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

well first of all:
1.) Im not a mechanic
2.) Im not that rich
3.) I have an ST not a GT
4.) I don't know how to wield
5.) I don't have the tools
6.) I wanted to do it myself
7.) I thought It would be easy.....
8.) .......you get the picture

TURBO THE CAR AND WAKE IT UP

[doGGy]

7.) I thought It would be easy.....
8.) .......you get the picture

Best part

Everyone do think like this when they start... 3 years ago - i did think the same... Now i only see people around who thinks - Ahhh its so damn easy i will make it my self......
aha - think again...

[CilverSeliST205]

As a counterargument i have to say that 94-99 CELICA IS THE BEST MODDING PLATFORM!
why? multiple reasons

1. It is quite unique, with some rims sideskirts and a hood or bumper the celi looks waaayy better than any sti or evo box on wheels, and indeed celi gets more attention

2. It can bear 3s-gte inside giving it an ultimate potential... there were 3sgte with 650, 700, even 900 hp, now think of "just" 350 hp daily driver? so what it is not awd...

3. there is very little aftermarket junk for 6gen? that makes it more of a challenge, which in turn = more satisfaction... if you had a civic and put a cai on it would you feel special at all?

4. 6gcs are plain beautiful... even more so than supras in my opinion... and smaller insurance payment!!!
plus the 6gc community is always willing to help anyone

for the same money you put into modding your celi, you could afford a newer, faster, more reliable car? so what? that car will not be as unique, as beautiful and as satisfactory to build than a celi!! not in my book...

besides modding is all about being able to say (brag) that you have an ultimate 100% reliable+efficient turbo set up, or weight distribution better than any other car etc... anyone can slap a 150 shot of nitrous from a kit on a mustang... hovewer it takes a lot of knowledge and effort to make celi gain even 40 hp

[Magic]

I like improving my car...not only the power...you are buying something and you just CANT wait to install it...FEEL IT!!!
Modifying a car doesnt mean that you are always looking for power but its a combination of different things...

1.Look
2.Power
3.Handling
4.ICE
5.....for some others..
6.....for some others...

I'm modifying my car beacuse it makes me getting closer to it,to drive it ALL the time,travelling to mountains every weekend!!That means that i have to take a lot of corners with different angle or speed each time,thats the relationship between me and my car,thats the the relationship between me and the Modding World!!!

I agree that it is expensive...but i think that HEALTH its above ALL and after that OUR hobbies

[uzthedentist]

The Celica 6Gen is just not worth it to Modd

lol come to the uk and ill give u a ride in my 330bhp 6th gen

[blu94gt]

The Celi is a good car to mod based on looks and rarity, but on the basis of it being front wheel drive and having a limited aftermarket it is a bad base to start to mod. For example, if you want to put a 3sgte in the car it will work, be fast, etc. But a front wheel drive car isn't exactly the best for all out racing. I looked into doing a swap myself, or turbocharging, but I don't want to dump that kind of money into a front wheel drive car, especially one that would be driven every day.

Honestly...idk how you guys could dump 30k into a car like this, I would much rather go buy a car that has 10x the potential for less than that

[fastgt]

ok when i first bought the celica....3 years or so ago i wanted to mod it like crazy....i mean lets be honest, civics can beat us stock. but i ill be honest i bought this car based only on looks, i knew nothing of the power. the celica has some of the best looks of a sports coupe ever!!

but it is slow, but its nothing a little research and alot of hard work cant fix. in my situation its not in my best interest to spend 3-7k on a motor swap.

yes speed and power are a big issue but the celica is not for that if you dont have time or money

i have a 300hp 350z sitting in my garage and thats enough power for me....for now at least , but the celica still looks just as good as my z and people DO turn and look at the celica still.

as of right now the power cravings are done .......for the moment at least. i do plan on turboing the z eventually.

i have no plans of getting rid of the celica because i will always love that car

i guess what im trying to say is, if you want cheap power without any work or research or creativity even...buy a civic si/rsx/srt-4/gti....these cars are all factory "fast" and are very easily modded, i know not everyone can afford a z or an evo or a sti, but there are other alternatives....just dont expect the celica to be a 12 sec car without some hard work

This post has been edited by fastgt: Dec 7, 2005 - 5:54 PM

[creamed_corn]

ok when i first bought the celica....3 years or so ago i wanted to mod it like crazy....i mean lets be honest, civics can beat us stock.

If you're getting beat by civics then you're not doing something right. There's no civic short of a 1998+ Si that can beat me stock for stock, and lets face it, there aren't many of those around. Even the Integra GS's aren't as fast.

[fastgt]

sorry, i did mean the si

[Celicav]

As a counterargument i have to say that 94-99 CELICA IS THE BEST MODDING PLATFORM!
why? multiple reasons

1. It is quite unique, with some rims sideskirts and a hood or bumper the celi looks waaayy better than any sti or evo box on wheels, and indeed celi gets more attention

2. It can bear 3s-gte inside giving it an ultimate potential... there were 3sgte with 650, 700, even 900 hp, now think of "just" 350 hp daily driver? so what it is not awd...

3. there is very little aftermarket junk for 6gen? that makes it more of a challenge, which in turn = more satisfaction... if you had a civic and put a cai on it would you feel special at all?

4. 6gcs are plain beautiful... even more so than supras in my opinion... and smaller insurance payment!!!
plus the 6gc community is always willing to help anyone

for the same money you put into modding your celi, you could afford a newer, faster, more reliable car? so what? that car will not be as unique, as beautiful and as satisfactory to build than a celi!! not in my book...

besides modding is all about being able to say (brag) that you have an ultimate 100% reliable+efficient turbo set up, or weight distribution better than any other car etc... anyone can slap a 150 shot of nitrous from a kit on a mustang... hovewer it takes a lot of knowledge and effort to make celi gain even 40 hp

This must be easy to say for a guy who found a GEM of a 6gc on ebay with all the eninge, exterior, and suspension work done to a point many of us dream of. Just giving you a hard time

[lagos]

soulshadow... you swaped in a 4age, what did you expect? its only about 40hp more then stock. if you wanted more power, you would have swaped in something with more power and potential.

well first of all:
1.) Im not a mechanic
2.) Im not that rich
3.) I have an ST not a GT
4.) I don't know how to wield
5.) I don't have the tools
6.) I wanted to do it myself
7.) I thought It would be easy.....
8.) .......you get the picture

1. neither am i, or any of the other guys on this site
2. ok
3. what difference does that make? you can still swap in any engine into it
4. you mean weld? i dont know any swap that requires welding.
5. a basic craftsman toolset and an engine lift is all you need. how did you get your 4age swap done then?
6.7.8. i dont really understand what you mean by that?


all i was trying to say is that if you wanted a fast celica with lots of potential, then why did you choose an NA motor that is only 40hp more then your 7a? you could have put in a 3s that bone stock would give you 100hp more, with the potential to make even more power later on, just with a simple turbo upgrade. its not the celicas fault your not happy with the power of your swaped motor

[H8DC3lica94]

I think im hella late on responding to this thread but i would just like to say something....

I dont think htere is a prize out there for modding your car. You can spend all the time and money into your car ans still get no respect/attention/fame. If thats what your after then your in it for the wrong reasons. Sure you can build a fast car and be the fastest, but someone will come and be faster. You can have the best looking car, and again someone will come and look better.

I've been tunning my celica since high skool and since then i've been in carshows and been rolling with a car team. Half the time no one knows what my car is. i dont care. i do it because i have fun. Sure i could go buy myself alot of lap dances and alot of alcohol with the money put into the celica, but then that would just make me a perverted alcoholic. ha

YES THIS POST HAS BEEN POINTLESS.


why did u swap in a 4a? u should have just turbo'ed ur 7a.

This post has been edited by H8DC3lica94: Dec 7, 2005 - 11:34 PM

[JoKeRkId613]

soulshadow, look, if you dont like the 4age then give it to me and i'll appreciate it for what it is. buy a mclaren f1 and if that doesnt do it for ya, then like someone here said, learn to fly a jet. lol. so what if a ricey civic beats you? who looks better crossing the finish line and gets all the bitches? ok then.

[MonsterBOX]

thats why i am getting a 93mr2 turbo...3sgte already has power to begin with

[blu94gt]

thats why i am getting a 93mr2 turbo...3sgte already has power to begin with

you should get an NA MR2 and swap a v6 in it

[azian_advanced]

then add the camry supercharger..

[blu94gt]

then add the camry supercharger..

exactly. I'm lookin to get the engine sometime in the spring to work on, then swap it in the summer, and then after a few years when i'm bored toss on the supercharger.

1mz-fe has around 210 hp stock. If things work out the way I want I'll have that through a 9 lb Fidanza flywheel to the MR2 turbo LSD tranny and heck who knows maybe some cams or somethin if i have the time and money. Either way a 210 hp v6 that weighs less than a 3sgte in an MR2 = fun!

and a couple years down the road once I get bored I can toss on the TRD supercharger maknig that 276 hp with 4 lbs of boost under a warranty. Then you can change the supercharger pulley to get what toyota claims to be up to about 340 hp off of the same kit.

[Kwanza26]

If you wanted a fast car... you shouldn't have picked a 20V. Although the 20V will make the car faster... it's an acquire type of "fast". If you want to "feel" the speed... shoulda did something else. That's the thing about modding... it's never enough. Even the turbo guys get what I call "boost greed" and many of them end up braking stuff. The 20V along with all engines have as much potential as you're willing to spend and invest time with. There's no easy or cheap way to get speed.

[JoKeRkId613]

^he did get a 20v. he has a silvertop.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

^he did get a 20v. he has a silvertop.

No he doesn't, it's a regular 4age. He told me himself. And besides that, look in his profile, you'll see the motor.

[afroman]

^he did get a 20v. he has a silvertop.

No he doesn't, it's a regular 4age. He told me himself. And besides that, look in his profile, you'll see the motor.

if we are talking about soulshadow he has a 20v silver top. i think it would be a great motor. a little more time and patience might get him a great motor. if you dont have the money now save up again and turbo it.
-Aaron-

[Kwanza26]

No he doesn't, it's a regular 4age. He told me himself. And besides that, look in his profile, you'll see the motor.

Umm... it's a silvertop 20V 4AGE in his profile... ;]

[lagos]

even the silvertop swaped 6th gen isint all that much faster then a normal celica. you gain about 40hp

[celicaST]

^he did get a 20v. he has a silvertop.

No he doesn't, it's a regular 4age. He told me himself. And besides that, look in his profile, you'll see the motor.

if we are talking about soulshadow he has a 20v silver top. i think it would be a great motor. a little more time and patience might get him a great motor. if you dont have the money now save up again and turbo it.
-Aaron-

save a lot of money, because the 20v is a high CR motor thats going to require some serious money/work to get a turbo running on it.

[TrD3sgte94]

all this talk about forced induction is crazy. you dont have to be turbo to be fast, anyways if your a real racer then you'll get more respect and props for having a fast all motor engine because anyone can out on a turbo or nos or a supercharger but it is those who really pay attention to their engines and tune them with time and expertise that get farthest in the world of modding. personally i have two cars right now a 1994 celica st that is all stock and a 1994 eclipse with a stock 95-99 JDM 4g63t(g-st motor), over all the eclipse is way faster and produces 210hp but ultimately i respect my celica more because of what i plan to do and the fact that it will be fast not because i spent money on a turbo but because i spent time and money on building a all motor champion.


-wess-

[Kwanza26]

all this talk about forced induction is crazy. you dont have to be turbo to be fast, anyways if your a real racer then you'll get more respect and props for having a fast all motor engine because anyone can out on a turbo or nos or a supercharger but it is those who really pay attention to their engines and tune them with time and expertise that get farthest in the world of modding. personally i have two cars right now a 1994 celica st that is all stock and a 1994 eclipse with a stock 95-99 JDM 4g63t(g-st motor), over all the eclipse is way faster and produces 210hp but ultimately i respect my celica more because of what i plan to do and the fact that it will be fast not because i spent money on a turbo but because i spent time and money on building a all motor champion.

Ya know... I build race n/a 4 bangers for a living and I just don't care or think about "street creds" or "respect" when it comes to being fast. Heheheh... *sigh*...

n/a is GREAT for track use... but if you want power... NOTHING beats forced induction.

[JoKeRkId613]

all this talk about forced induction is crazy. you dont have to be turbo to be fast, anyways if your a real racer then you'll get more respect and props for having a fast all motor engine because anyone can out on a turbo or nos or a supercharger but it is those who really pay attention to their engines and tune them with time and expertise that get farthest in the world of modding. personally i have two cars right now a 1994 celica st that is all stock and a 1994 eclipse with a stock 95-99 JDM 4g63t(g-st motor), over all the eclipse is way faster and produces 210hp but ultimately i respect my celica more because of what i plan to do and the fact that it will be fast not because i spent money on a turbo but because i spent time and money on building a all motor champion.


-wess-

I disagree. Not just anyone can turbo/super/nitrous-charge a car. o, and just so you know and dont get flamed later(because i've seen it happen a lot), it's not nos, thats a brand. its nitrous, or nitrous oxide. lol. I've had nitrous and installed it and it was pretty simple, but i dont think anyone with a car can do that. now im on my turbo project... trust me... lol. not just anyone can do that. you make it sound like it's very easy to do.