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[JoKeRkId613]

Ok, they're selling a 6GCelica GT-4 about 4 hours from my house. I think the guy I talked to wants $19,000. The thing is, I looove my car. It's my first car, it looks real clean, real nice. My plans were to keep this car for as long as I could and hook it up since I don't have monthly payments on the car and bla bla bla. I love it, it's reliable. it looks awesome. I always get compliments. My plan was to turbo the 7A since I didn't want to get a 4AGZE or 3SGTE because if anything happens, the 7A here is in A LOT of cars. lol. So I can find parts easy. I've just grown extremely close to my car. The only thing I never liked about it is that it's a coupe. Believe it or not, coupes looks hot in person but in pics, they look ugly, imo. the only reason i liked the celi is cuz me myself used to confuse em with supras before i knew anything about cars.a long time ago. so i can drive the 4 hours, check the car out. i'll be the only one in florida with a true st205. and i think the 3rd in the country. but man. lol. 19,000. i know its worth it. the car is rare as hell anywhere and its fast and sexy and everything. but it'd have to make monthly payments and for 19,000 i always think damn i can get a brand new car wit that. the gt4 only has like 37000 mi tho so thats not too bad at all. or i can turbo the 7a. i know doggy has put down like 200hp or sumthin around there and other people have also. honestly, i know no matter what car i have, someone will be faster and im not trying to be the fastest. im happy with 200 reliable hp. while i have the turbo on the 7a, im going to be building another 7a, maybe hybrid. and putting the super 60 on that to have a 7agte. my question is, what is the maximum amount of hp that you have ever seen on a 7afe. remember, FE. lol. ive seen the turbo 20v 7a. think it had like 300 or sumthin. but im talkin factory 7afe with upgraded internals, the whole enchilada, excellently tuned turbo setup. whats the max hp that i can achieve from a 7afe without blowing it up. lol. ive heard a 3s can have up to like 500hp. ive searched and searched but didnt find anything. maybe im not phrasing the question right. but i just wanna know. this'll help my decision a little more. thanks.

edit: maybe the question should be, how much hp can the 7a block hold before it starts to fall apart? lol

This post has been edited by JoKeRkId613: Dec 7, 2005 - 10:51 PM

[celicaST]

are you REALLY considering buying that gt-4 for 19k? or are you just a kid fantasizing about it like me be honest with yourself. also, i agree about your comment about coupes in person vs. pic. first coupe i saw was on here in pic and i was like ehhhhh, but when i saw one in person i was like damnnn lol.

[playr158]

realistically

lets see if i was to build a badass 7afe

i'd
1)have the cylinder's honed, bored (maybe) and if possible have it sleeved
2) balance the crankshaft and have it tuned properly
3) port and polish the head as much as possible
4) oversized valves and stiffer springs
5) custom cams
6) forged rods
7) custom 8.5:1 compression forged pistons
8) custom equal length turbo manifold
9) custom intake manifold
10) externally wastegated turbo
11) PRS4 or megasquirt standalone
12) RC engineering injectors
13) 255lph fuel pump
14) 104 octane fuel
and shoot i don't see why near 20psi couldn't be achieved and somewhere shy of 300whp
but then again this would cost somewhere near 7 thousand

This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 8, 2005 - 12:54 AM

[celicaST]

realistically

lets see if i was to build a badass 7afe

i'd
1)have the cylinder's honed, bored (maybe) and if possible have it sleeved
2) balance the crankshaft and have it tuned properly
3) port and polish the head as much as possible
4) oversized valves and stiffer springs
5) custom cams
6) forged rods
7) custom 8.5:1 compression forged pistons
8) custom equal length turbo manifold
9) custom intake manifold
10) externally wastegated turbo
11) PRS4 or megasquirt standalone
12) RC engineering injectors
13) 255lph fuel pump
14) 104 octane fuel
and shoot i don't see why near 20psi couldn't be achieved and somewhere shy of 300whp
but then again this would cost somewhere near 7 thousand

and 12k saved in your wallet, tada lol minus the 4wd of course

[x_itchy_b_x]

id get teh gt4. get it the way its supposed to be if i had the chance as much as i love my car. id have to get it just for AWD. really.

[lagos]

realistically

lets see if i was to build a badass 7afe

i'd
1)have the cylinder's honed, bored (maybe) and if possible have it sleeved
2) balance the crankshaft and have it tuned properly
3) port and polish the head as much as possible
4) oversized valves and stiffer springs
5) custom cams
6) forged rods
7) custom 8.5:1 compression forged pistons
8) custom equal length turbo manifold
9) custom intake manifold
10) externally wastegated turbo
11) PRS4 or megasquirt standalone
12) RC engineering injectors
13) 255lph fuel pump
14) 104 octane fuel
and shoot i don't see why near 20psi couldn't be achieved and somewhere shy of 300whp
but then again this would cost somewhere near 7 thousand

lol... thats pipe dreaming.... realistically would mean that you are currently doing these things

[lagos]

the sad truth is, a stock gt4 will be faster then any turbo kit you throw on your ST.

[Hanyo]

a true gt4 will beat the junk out of a fwd celica.

but think, why by a gt4 when you can get an even faster car, like an evo?

[Defgeph]

evo's are ugly, and they have 4 doors

[celicaST]

a true gt4 will beat the junk out of a fwd celica.

but think, why by a gt4 when you can get an even faster car, like an evo?

rarity and in my opinion the gt-4 looks much better, and i prefer a 2-door.

lol defgeph you beat me to it

This post has been edited by celicaST: Dec 8, 2005 - 1:46 AM

[95CelicaST]

Hell, if there was a GT-4 up here in Washington (which I guess there is a better chance of finding one over here because Japan ships most through our ports) I would Take a loan out through the Credit Union and buy that bastard that day. Then I would sell mine and start paying off a huge loan.

A GT-4 would spank almost any turbo Celica, be it a GT or an ST, because its got the AWD

[1900WattCelica]

a true gt4 will beat the junk out of a fwd celica.

but think, why by a gt4 when you can get an even faster car, like an evo?

I was just beginning to think.... you can get a nice 350Z for 19K

[devilsden97]

hey wanna give me that guys number. Ill drive down to florida from NY to pick that up....just so i can kick some ricer ass in ny....give me an adress or phone number...linnk it if its online plz.

[celicaST]

hey wanna give me that guys number. Ill drive down to florida from NY to pick that up....just so i can kick some ricer ass in ny....give me an adress or phone number...linnk it if its online plz.

gt-4 used cars, top of page 5

[devilsden97]

I WANT IT!

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Yeah, I've seen that car on there before. I'd rather just put the same motor into my car though and be able to not worry so much about putting scratches and wear and tear on a genuine ST205. Plus, you would save not only about 10 grand, but a few hundred pounds of weight by not having bulky AWD.

[nik]

if i could afford it i would get it if its there in March i'll be done there i think i'll go test drive it

[lagos]

holy **** that thing is clean. i would buy it in a heart beat if i didnt have my car. just make sure you can register it and not have any issues with getting plates for it

[nik]

just make sure you can register it and not have any issues with getting plates for it

I 2ND THAT

[JoKeRkId613]

yea, you can register it. i talked to my friend frank who's selling the car but i changed my mind. i was seriously going to get a loan for 19,000 to get the gt4. my dad was gonna lend it to me and i wouldnt have interested which is str8 as ****. but i did some thinking. i love my car and i'd rather not get into monthly payments. im always going to love celicas so one day i'll get me a gt4. but for 19,000, you can get sooo many things and i personally always loved the supra more(to me, thats the ultimate car). i'd rather get a supra than a gt-4. i may still go drive it since i actually found out its evry close to me. i thought it was four hours away but it was more like 30 mins away. lol. so who knows. maybe i'll change my mind when i drive it. lol. we'll see. i'm nowhere near rich but if i was, i'd buy it in a heartbeat, no doubt about that.

[Batman722]

a true gt4 will beat the junk out of a fwd celica.

A GT-4 would spank almost any turbo Celica, be it a GT or an ST, because its got the AWD

A swapped FWD Celica would beat a GT-Four in a strait line.

A GT-Four would beat any Celica in a curvy track or rally stlye race.

I would buy a GT-Four whatever it takes if I had the opportunity.

[Kwanza26]

A swapped FWD Celica would beat a GT-Four in a strait line.

A GT-Four would beat any Celica in a curvy track or rally stlye race.

I would buy a GT-Four whatever it takes if I had the opportunity.

Quite the opposite in fact. Even though the FF Celica would be lighter... traction issues alone ensures the AWD win. Think about it... you gotta have the right set-up and the right technique to even touch the low 14's to high 13's mark at 12-15psi but with a stock 3SGTE (CT26 or CT20b)... versus a stock ST205... the AWD can match FF even with the extra weight. A good stock comparison would be the Eclipse GS-T versus the Eclipse GSX. The GSX is faster because of traction off the line alone... even though both cars have the same power and the FF car has the weight advantage.

On the track... it's up to the driver... but I'd argue the ST205 is a good track car... but isn't the most agile. I got a lot of heat for saying this in the past... but I would still say the ST205's weight will hurt it on a tight curvy track more than an FF car... and since the FF car has the same engine with potentially the same power... it'll only have more power to the ground. These cars are driven very differently on the track... but weight matters more on a track than the drivetrain set-up especially when the cars make around the same amount of power.

*edited to be more clear. I was thinking two things and once and it came out wrong...;]

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Dec 9, 2005 - 1:23 AM

[Defgeph]

I did a 13.9 @ 12psi with my FWD 3sgte.

[Batman722]

I disagree.

GT4WRC ran a personal best 14.14
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30188


Defgeph ran a 13.93 (swapped)
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30206

presure2 ran 14.07 (5sfte)
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30799

[Kwanza26]

I did a 13.9 @ 12psi with my FWD 3sgte.

You wouldn't even believe how many guys I know with FF 250+ whp turbo cars that can't break 13's... hehehe. It comes down to doing it right... but simply put... AWD is easier.

[Defgeph]

Yes, I do agree AWD is easier. but I do believe that a swapped 3sgte fwd would take a GT4 in a 1/4. Unless someone can show me a stock ST205 that can do a mid 13 second run.


DEF

[Kwanza26]

Yes, I do agree AWD is easier. but I do believe that a swapped 3sgte fwd would take a GT4 in a 1/4. Unless someone can show me a stock ST205 that can do a mid 13 second run.

No they don't... closer to mid-low 14's... but comparing stock boost vs stock boost... they're very close. Take that... then throw in the average driver with normal tires on both cars and the AWD will be significantly faster. There's a learning curve to drag racing a powerful high torque FWD car... most people can't do it without a lot of practice on an actual strip.

[Kwanza26]

I disagree.

GT4WRC ran a personal best 14.14
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30188


Defgeph ran a 13.93 (swapped)
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30206

presure2 ran 14.07 (5sfte)
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=30799

Heh... my opinion VS yours... but those times are damn near identical when you look at them from a race perspective. Side by side racing... all of those cars are nose to nose. 0.1 seconds is about a bumper or a slighlty slow shift...

[Batman722]

well in theory, if you had a stock 205 vs a swapped 205 and put them against each other at the same boost, tires, conditions, ect.. the swapped would be faster in the 1/4 mile.

now, Jeff ran a high 13 with a 185 (which as we all know is about 20 less hp than a 205) and GT4WRC ran a low 14...

If someone swapped a 205 in their 6th gen, they should have better times in the 1/4 mile.

of course, it's all opinions untill it is proven

This post has been edited by Batman722: Dec 9, 2005 - 1:12 AM

[nik]

but did defgeph run his time on slicks? on stock tires for each car i think the st205 would do better but its just IMAO but man i WOULD love to buy the st-205

This post has been edited by nik: Dec 9, 2005 - 3:45 PM

[97sccelica]

I did a 13.9 @ 12psi with my FWD 3sgte.

yea, but you also dont have a 100% stock setup

yes, you have only the 185 motor, but you have full exhaust, light weight flywheel, and upgraded clutch. More than likely, your car is putting a good amount more power to the wheels than a stock GT4

less weight and more power to the wheels, your car should easily beat a Gt4 from a 10mph roll and up and from a stop, unless the GT4 is driven perfectly, there will be a point where your car would pass it

high power FWD annoys me after a while. i drove my friends turbo vtec prelude a couple of times. it made 180whp before putting the turbo on, so if i had to guess, it probably had 230-240whp(going off the acceleration my car had back then). 1st gear was useless. second would spin unless you were gentle with shifting and the throttle, third would spin if you shifted hard enough. it was fun, for a short while, then it got tiring not being able to use the full potential of the power it had.

now my WRX, with a gentle launch, i get 1.8 60ft times. and this is with the stock, balding tires. and before you think, big deal, its awd, think again. i can roast all four tires on bone dry asphalt if i wanted too. i literally launch the car at full power, thanks to the two step launch control. i just floor it and wait for the lights to drop, in the mean time, the car is at 10psi of boost while standing still. and thats when i dont use the nitrous.

the sti 6spd swap should be done today hopefully, if not, early next week(waiting on parts). i plan to take the car to LACR asap and see what kind of 60ft's i get with the new ability to launch hard. plus i will actually be able to shift fast and hard for once.

im hoping for a 1.6xx 60ft, but i have a feeling my stock clutch will be the limiting factor

[Batman722]

but did defgeph run his time on slicks? on stock tires for each car i think the st205 would do better but its just IMAO but man i love to buy the st-205

no, Jeff ran that time on street tires, not slicks.

[lagos]

I did a 13.9 @ 12psi with my FWD 3sgte.

why were you only at 12 psi ? i thought you ran 15 all the time

[presure2]

I did a 13.9 @ 12psi with my FWD 3sgte.

why were you only at 12 psi ? i thought you ran 15 all the time

cause he has an EBC

[lagos]

I did a 13.9 @ 12psi with my FWD 3sgte.

why were you only at 12 psi ? i thought you ran 15 all the time

cause he has an EBC

yeah i know, but im just trying to understand why he would turn his boost down from what he normally races at

[nik]

but did defgeph run his time on slicks? on stock tires for each car i think the st205 would do better but its just IMAO but man i love to buy the st-205

no, Jeff ran that time on street tires, not slicks.

that awesome

[Defgeph]

Yes 13.9 was on street tires

Art at the time i didnt have 15 psi dailed in correctly. My gains were off a bit, I would hit 15psi then shoot up a little an hit fuel cut. I Normally keep my car at 12 psi. I like the way it feels at 12 psi, I'll turn it up to 15 when I need it though.

I know my car isnt stock, but it still has less HP than a stock st205. I would still think that in a race, a celica with a swapped 205 motor would beat a st205 in a straight line.