MR2 swap, celi engine will be FS Options

[kristinw85]

i have a buddy who has an engine out of an MR2 i havent found out all the details yet but as soon as i do i will post them. do u guys think the swap will work with my celi? the MR2 motor is also a 4 cy 2.2 l same as my 5sfe. has anyone done this? also if you do an engine swap do u have to have the car inspected or does it have to pass any test? i dumb dont yell at me too much please...... i tried to search but the dumb thing wont let you search 3 letter words

:::EDIT::: in feb celi engine will be for sale pm me if interested in parts or all

This post has been edited by kristinw85: Jan 11, 2006 - 8:23 PM

[JoKeRkId613]

im not the smartest guy here but im guessing the engine in that mr2 is a 5sfe... im trying to think of another 2.2 4cyl engine and it wont come to mind at this point... you're looking to put in a new 5sfe?

[kristinw85]

yeah its a stock 5sfe but they make a 3SGTE twin turbo or someting close to that.

[JoKeRkId613]

ok, now im confused. so you know the engine in the mr2 is a stock 5sfe? or youre telling me the one in your celi is a 5sfe? well im assuming the engine in your gt is a 5sfe(2.2L), and every 3s-gte ive seen is a 2.0L engine. never heard of a factory 3s-gte twin turbo. sry if im not helping, im just kinda confused.

[kenjamatic]

it should be the same thing because 5sfe also comes in the camry's too...i don't think you'll have a problem with the 5sfe swap as long as your celi is a gt because my mom's 94 camry died and my dad went and got a 5sfe engine(don't know if it's celi, mr2, or camry) from the junk yard and put it in without doing any paper work... ...you might have some problems with the harness and intake tube though...unless you use your old ones...

[kenjamatic]

ok, now im confused. so you know the engine in the mr2 is a stock 5sfe? or youre telling me the one in your celi is a 5sfe? well im assuming the engine in your gt is a 5sfe(2.2L), and every 3s-gte ive seen is a 2.0L engine. never heard of a factory 3s-gte twin turbo. sry if im not helping, im just kinda confused.

i think it says "twin entry turbo" it don't litterly means twin turbo...lol...

[kristinw85]

ok, now im confused. so you know the engine in the mr2 is a stock 5sfe? or youre telling me the one in your celi is a 5sfe? well im assuming the engine in your gt is a 5sfe(2.2L), and every 3s-gte ive seen is a 2.0L engine. never heard of a factory 3s-gte twin turbo. sry if im not helping, im just kinda confused.

i think it says "twin entry turbo" it don't litterly means twin turbo...lol...

sorry yeah it says that ^ twin entry turbo not realy sure what the difference is and yes mine is a gt

[yungazzdriver]

well yall do know that mr2's came with a 3sfe as well!!!!!!!

[lagos]

any 90+ mr2 will come with a normal 2.2l 5sfe, same as the celica one.
the turbo 90+ came with a 2.0l 3sgte.

[Clipsetuner]

Well considering there both OBD1, basicly all you have todo is change the power steering and alternator brackets to stock celica's and your set.

DTE

[yungazzdriver]

ma buddy's mr2 came with a 3sfe stock from the dealer its a 91i believe

[kristinw85]

so did any come stock w/ a turbo ?

[playr158]

yes just as art said

Turbo MR2 came with the 3sgte motor <--turbo motor that we all love
n/a MR2s came with the 5sfe

[yungazzdriver]

yes just as art said

Turbo MR2 came with the 3sgte motor <--turbo motor that we all love
n/a MR2s came with the 5sfe

AND THE 3sfe!!!

[djspike]

yes just as art said

Turbo MR2 came with the 3sgte motor <--turbo motor that we all love
n/a MR2s came with the 5sfe

AND THE 3sfe!!!

LOL!!!!

[playr158]

MKII, 90-99 NA & Turbo (32 Viewing)
Discussion and tech for 90-99 SW20 MR2. 3S-GTE, 3S-GE, 3S-FE, 5S-FE.

[yungazzdriver]

man its just i feel like no one ever likes to listen to me (crying)


lol

[kristinw85]

ok so i just dont have the $$ for the turbo engine so i going to go with the
90-95 TOYOTA MR2 E BEF 8/95 2.2L 5SFE 2.2L 4CYL
it includes
• Complete Engine
- Cylinder Head
- Intake Manifold
- Cylinder Block
- Sensors
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Throttle Body
- Alternator
- Starter
- Ignition Wires
- Pulleys
- Valve cover


for $895 engine has about 40,000 on it right now it wont be till february till this happens but when i do i plan on selling the stock celi engine i was just wondering if anyone might be interested in buying it thanks

[Kwanza26]

ok so i just dont have the $$ for the turbo engine so i going to go with the
90-95 TOYOTA MR2 E BEF 8/95 2.2L 5SFE 2.2L 4CYL
it includes
• Complete Engine
- Cylinder Head
- Intake Manifold
- Cylinder Block
- Sensors
- Exhaust Manifold
- Fuel Rail
- Injectors
- Distributor
- Throttle Body
- Alternator
- Starter
- Ignition Wires
- Pulleys
- Valve cover


for $895 engine has about 40,000 on it right now it wont be till february till this happens but when i do i plan on selling the stock celi engine i was just wondering if anyone might be interested in buying it thanks

Is there a reason why you're swapping?

[JoKeRkId613]

^x2... i dont get it... its the same engine... u just want one with less mileage or what? still confused.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Is there a reason why you're swapping?

I'm wondering this too? 2.2 Celica, for 2.2 MR2? There are no gains what so ever. It's just a different 2.2 5sfe. As long as it's OBD1, which it is. If it's because it's less miles, then that's a reason, but not that good of one. I have 143k on my 5sfe, and all I need to do is put a new disstributer and plug wires on it soon. Same thing you'll have to do with a 40k motor in a bit. Are you planning on putting a turbo on a low milage 5sfe? No one is ever happy with there 5sfe turbo for every long. It's a baby set on the performance ladder. Don't get me wrong, those turbo 5sfe could smoke me in a line.

[kristinw85]

yeah mine has 165,000 on it and the shop says it $800 to fix, oil pump really bad oil leak and timing belt is still the stock one. when i can buy the new motor for $875 and do upgrades later and maybe a turbo by the end of the summer

anyone interested in the celi motor for after the swap??

This post has been edited by kristinw85: Jan 11, 2006 - 6:58 PM

[kristinw85]

or does anyone know if junk yards will buy the engine from me? thanks!

[kristinw85]

buuuuummmmmmmmmpppppppppp

[JoKeRkId613]

yeah, i think soulshadow wanted to buy one. check him out on the buying/selling section. im sure the junky will buy it but they'll give u next to nothing for it.

[94GT]

I would only do this if the MR2 engine was free. I certainly hope you're not paying for it, otherwise you may as well just buy a clip with a 3SGTE and have someone swap it into your car for you. Good luck!

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I would only do this if the MR2 engine was free. I certainly hope you're not paying for it, otherwise you may as well just buy a clip with a 3SGTE and have someone swap it into your car for you. Good luck!

^^I don't share this guy's opinion. 3sgte is going to cost way more and be a lot more work. I'd also say to keep you motor for parts. Because you aren't going to get any money out of it hardly at all, but I'm sure there's still some good stuff on it. Bottem line, it'll be worth more for you to keep it, than sell it.

[blu94gt]

who are you paying to swap the engine? bc I would say if you have the know-how to do that yourself, you might as well just fix the one you have and save the money. It'll cost you even more than the $875 to swap the engine.

[kristinw85]

who are you paying to swap the engine? bc I would say if you have the know-how to do that yourself, you might as well just fix the one you have and save the money. It'll cost you even more than the $875 to swap the engine.

just paying a buddy to swap it for me he has the same engine in his car and has some stuff to put on it to help get more hp i dont quite know what yet but he says his engine has about 400 hp right now
no i dont have the know how when it comes to engines just everything eles about a car except that so i dont want to do it myself.

[yungazzdriver]

.............................................??

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

who are you paying to swap the engine? bc I would say if you have the know-how to do that yourself, you might as well just fix the one you have and save the money. It'll cost you even more than the $875 to swap the engine.

just paying a buddy to swap it for me he has the same engine in his car and has some stuff to put on it to help get more hp i dont quite know what yet but he says his engine has about 400 hp right now
no i dont have the know how when it comes to engines just everything eles about a car except that so i dont want to do it myself.

BEWARE this guy. Seriously, be very careful. 400hp out of a 5sfe is near impossable and would cost upwards of at least $15k (estimate). This is what my dad and I refer to a BSer. Dad has his own business and so does my uncle and we will all tell you, you don't want to deal with a BSer, cause they're just full of it. They'll tell you they know all kinds of things when they don't know jack. I don't care if it's your best friend or even a brother, don't trust this person. Even if he has a 3sgte, 400hp is very rare.

WARNING TO ALL BSers: If I find you, I will set you strate. You can't lie to poeple who know, and it will happen. Then you won't look cool at all. You'll look like a jackass. And then everyone will know your a jackass.

[kristinw85]

thanks for the advice i have a chat with him and see whats up

[yungazzdriver]

nicely put thats what i wanted to say but i thought id get shut up?!!!!!?

BEWARE this guy. Seriously, be very careful. 400hp out of a 5sfe is near impossable and would cost upwards of at least $15k (estimate). This is what my dad and I refer to a BSer. Dad has his own business and so does my uncle and we will all tell you, you don't want to deal with a BSer, cause they're just full of it. They'll tell you they know all kinds of things when they don't know jack. I don't care if it's your best friend or even a brother, don't trust this person. Even if he has a 3sgte, 400hp is very rare.

WARNING TO ALL BSers: If I find you, I will set you strate. You can't lie to poeple who know, and it will happen. Then you won't look cool at all. You'll look like a jackass. And then everyone will know your a jackass.[quote]

This post has been edited by yungazzdriver: Jan 13, 2006 - 6:24 PM

[kristinw85]

i'll keep you guys update hopefully with some pics but it wont be till next month

[jgreening]

Its interesting to read these quotes together.

Are you planning on putting a turbo on a low milage 5sfe? No one is ever happy with there 5sfe turbo for every long. It's a baby set on the performance ladder.

I see what your saying, [the parts I recommended] won't make the car go that much faster. They do help though, and like I said, they are the basics. Using a CAI with synthetic oil and full exhaust will make a noticeable difference. It won't be as much as a turbo, but it'll be something.

WARNING TO ALL BSers: If I find you, I will set you strate. You can't lie to poeple who know, and it will happen. Then you won't look cool at all. You'll look like a jackass. And then everyone will know your a jackass.

[kristinw85]

wtf?

[JoKeRkId613]

i think jay is saying the bulldog guy is full of sh!t. anyway. i wouldnt say all that about him because he is ur buddy. i doubt he'll lie to you like that. i personally dont believe any 5sfe ever made it to 400hp... or near 150hp without a turbo. maybe u misunderstood him. however, for that price hes offering the engine for, for cheaper, you can go to a junky and get a 5sfe out of a celica with decent milage and it'll drop right into your car with absolutely no modifications. mr2, i believe was mounted in the rear so there might be some things that are a bit different, so just be careful. keep us updated n goodluck.

[boosted_K2]

essentially same motor, but i would do a little homework on it first, see about wiring diagrams and check if the connections are the same, mainly the ecu connections and see if there are any differences. i would try using the MR2s ECU if possible just incase there are any subtle differences. as far as the motor being mounted in the back... no difference since you will want to reuse your celica transmission, you should probably have whoever you have do the swap also tear down and rebuild your tranny while its out. i didnt check, but if you have a MT, i would recommend resurfacing the flywheel and getting a new clutch disk and anything else showing severe wear from 160,000 miles, if you have an AT just make sure the torque converter is in good shape because thats usually one of the big things that needs to be rebuilt.

AND ALSO REMEMBER: JUST BECAUSE ITS LOWER MILAGE DOESNT MEAN ITS IN BETTER CONDITION... leakdown and compression test is a MUST before putting your car under the knife, remove the head and check the valves for any seating issues, scarring on the walls, and any bent valves, used motors, more-so than any other used parts are always a major gamble.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Its interesting to read these quotes together.

Are you planning on putting a turbo on a low milage 5sfe? No one is ever happy with there 5sfe turbo for every long. It's a baby set on the performance ladder.

I see what your saying, [the parts I recommended] won't make the car go that much faster. They do help though, and like I said, they are the basics. Using a CAI with synthetic oil and full exhaust will make a noticeable difference. It won't be as much as a turbo, but it'll be something.

WARNING TO ALL BSers: If I find you, I will set you strate. You can't lie to poeple who know, and it will happen. Then you won't look cool at all. You'll look like a jackass. And then everyone will know your a jackass.

What do you mean? Was I wrong? I'm not BS and saying I'm getting awsome hp or anything. Are you just picking on me for the fun of it?

[jgreening]

i think jay is saying the bulldog guy is full of sh!t.

What I am saying is that going to a 5sfte can net you HUGE increases performance wise (on a percentage basis) over the 5sfe. Look at Manny (presure2) making 210+whp and 230ft/lbs+ torque and the stock 5sfe makes about 120whp. The suggestion that turboing a 5sfe is a "baby step" in power is not accurate - especially when you compare it to adding a cold air intake and synthetic oil like he has recommended to people in the past. I think we as a community need to do just as bulldog says and try to correct misinformation that is propogated by others.

Are you just picking on me for the fun of it?

No, pointing out inaccuracies and inconsistencies. For the life of me, I cannot understand how someone can make those two statements I referenced.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

What I am saying is that going to a 5sfte can net you HUGE increases performance wise (on a percentage basis) over the 5sfe. Look at Manny (presure2) making 210+whp and 230ft/lbs+ torque and the stock 5sfe makes about 120whp. The suggestion that turboing a 5sfe is a "baby step" in power is not accurate - especially when you compare it to adding a cold air intake and synthetic oil like he has recommended to people in the past. I think we as a community need to do just as bulldog says and try to correct misinformation that is propogated by others.

You're right. After I posted that, I seen Shin's car and looked at what he posted about it. I thought about going back and editting my post. 5sfe isn't a baby set, but I'll stand by what I said that those guys all really want to go with a 3sgte. There's only so much you can get out of a 5sfte. But, that continues to be proven wrong. So, I don't know.

[kristinw85]

yeah there are risks with buying a used motor but it has been fully cleaned and comes with a 1 yr warrenty so if anything goes wrong at least i have a warrenty if i wasnt getting one i probably wouldn't buy a used motor for that much. also my buddy says he knows all about the ecu and the wiring harness and wont be a problem he just did he swap not too long ago and everything about these motors but thanks for everybodys concern

[Blakout16]

maybe he ment 140 hp. not 400. i hardly know a whole lot on engines and im thinking that a NA 5sfe next near to impossible - in practical means. that must be some serious 200 angle valve job

[MonsterBOX]

ive yet to see even a 300hp 5sfte....

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

ive yet to see even a 300hp 5sfte....

I don't think there's been a 250whp 5sfte yet. I'll have to check. I think Manny definately holds the record, and I know his last dyno isn't as high as what he running now too. Shin is close on his heals. I'll have to check about that though, I'm not positive. There could be someone else.

[kristinw85]

what about front clips anyone know how much these are and if they work on a 5fse?

[94GT]

I think you need to ask yourself a few questions before you continue this thread, because I've been following it and you're kinda all over the place.

1) How bad is your current engine? Does it run? Can it be fixed? Did you take it to more than one mechanic to get an estimate and find out exactly what they think is wrong with it?

2) How much are you willing to spend?

3) Are you trying to replace your engine with a nice reliable totally street legal 5SFE, or are you looking for performance?

Personally speaking, it sounds like you're not sure what you want. If you're happy with your car, just do the simple thing and take your car to some toyota specialist (NOT THE DEALER!), have them source you an engine and do the install. It'll probably come with a warrantee and that way you don't lose a friend when that MR2 engine blows up on you in 2 months (I don't recommend doing business like this with friends unless you're willing to take on all the liability yourself).

To answer your question, you don't need a clip if all you want is a new 5SFE. Clips are for more complicated swaps, like the 3SGTE, which is not street legal, but you can get around it with a little work if that's what you're looking for. If that is what you're looking for plan to spend about an extra 3k over the cost of replacing your 5SFE. Good luck.