Here's my story, AGAIN Options

[dustin15brown]

ok I have received mutplie pms and or IM's saying how I am ruining 6gc for my antics that Manny posted about in Lissa's thread. The thing is, I had a repsonse thread and Jeff deleted it for unknown reasons. So here is my justification again.

QUOTE(dustin15brown @ Jan 11, 2006 - 7:08 PM)
QUOTE(defgeph @ Jan 11, 2006 - 10:40 PM)
Jeff:Dustin is one hell of a guy. Willing to do whatever he can to help.
Enjoy those fogs
ME: including bash your threads if he thinks you screwed someone
Manny: at least dustin(batman722) never tried to rip members off from this site for $2ea. for the keychains, 30$ ea for the failed GB on the skirts,
and who knows how much on doggys duckbill spoiler.




The truth about things is here if u wanna read them, and if not, I dont mind either
Keychain:
As to Manny's comment is Lissa's thread I tried ripping people off $2 per keychain in the group buy. This was NOT the case and if it is said other wise, I regret to inform you that you are wrong. Randy contacted me about the group buy asking questions. He mentioned he was VERY busy and didn't have time to head it up. I said it was NOT a problem because I need more experience in successfully running a group buy. At one point a profit for me was mentioned, but it wasn't expected. I knew I was getting a free keychain out of it and that was enough for me.

Side Skirts: Manny posted that I was making $30 off of each side skirts that were in the gb that I attempted to run. This is true. I was looking at $200 in additional expenses to ship the side skirts to Lithuanina and then back to me and it wasn't fair that I lost that money. So I set the gb at 6 people and added $30 per set. That is still me losing $20 in something totally unrelated to me which is fine. I had very good intentions with that gb and getting it started. They are such a rare item I wanted others to have a chance to get them. I specifically stated to Randy while we were "bidding" on the skirts that it would be around $300 pending some expenses. I stand by my decision to add on $30 to each set to COVER costs, and not a profit.

Ducktail:
I will make NOTHING off of it, simply ask Romas. He gave me the exact price and that is what I posted. If there were mosre than 10 people I would receive a discount for EVERYONE, and they would have gotten it.

Conclusion:
Regardless of what everyone thinks my intentions were not bad. and if they were, this is America and everyone has the right to be profitable. Please stop with the bashing of my name. It is pointless. If you're going to bring my name into trying to make a profit, turn to everyone who has ever ran a gb on here minus the JDM side skirts that is going on and see who is making a profit. Exactly, every person is. Post your feelings if you like. I'm actually eager to see if this mattered to anyone.

This post has been edited by dustin15brown: Jan 16, 2006 - 4:24 PM

[lagos]

i see nothing wrong with somone marking up the price a bit on a group buy, where they have to recieve all the products, then spend time keeping track of who paid, and repackage and reship to those people. they deserve something for their time. if anything, people should be mad at the original maker (like doggy) for using a middle man and not just dealing directly with everyone.

i thnk its up to everyone to decide whats best for them. look at the group buy price, and then shop around. if you can get it for less somewhere else, then screw the group buy. but if the groupbuy has the lowest price around, then i dont care if the guy running it marked it up by a few bucks.

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 16, 2006 - 4:30 PM

[dustin15brown]

I dont think anyone should become angry at the middle man, because in Romas' case, he is a very busy man who doesn't have time to deal with this part of the deal. I do not blame Romas for any of this. But I do agree with the rest of your post Art

This post has been edited by dustin15brown: Jan 16, 2006 - 4:30 PM

[presure2]

the whole point of what i wrote has to do with the idea of making $$ off of people without them even knowing. i never said it was wrong to charge for shipping or whatever.
the idea behind GB's is to SAVE money, not for the person whos running it to make a profit. if the guy running it gets an extra discount, or whatever for running it from the manufacurer, thats fine, but for instance charging 30$ for somthing in a GB when it actually only costs 26$ is not right IMO. if you need to add to the end price to cover shipping, thats fine, just make sure you STATE it, so that there is NO confusion or question about it.
i just found out about player making $$ off the CF panel GB. he says he ended up not making anything in the end, but thats besides the point.
its not right.
if ANYONE should be making $$ off this site(besides the people who are producing the product), it should be CHRISTIAN. not anyone else.
this is supossed to be a COMMUNITY, where we help each other out, not make money off selling someone elses work.
if running a GB is too much hassle for you to do for FREE, you shouldnt be running it at all.
Ill also say, just so everyone knows, these are MY thoughts, and mine only. i havent disscused it with christian, and for all i know, he could feel totally the opposite of what i do, and thats fine.
imma call em like i see em, and if you (dustin) or anyone else for that matter dont like that, well, thats just how it is.

[doGGy]

Im with Manny at all 100%.

But at one point im covering Dustin side too. On DUCKTAIL - he would not MAKE ANY single cent.... As for other GB he did - let this stay on his conscience... Its enouth guys to blame him.. either he did this intensionaly, or he just aint thought about explaining everything to the GB people....

Another thing - sometimes for people like me its really really good to have a middle man, just what i dont have full access to payment systems and etc... I ussualy offer a free product of big discount from my side for the guy who is running a GB...


And Jeff - please, let this run and all this $hit NEEDS to be explained and beated to death, there is no need to just cut off and leave Dustin in $hit... Let him explaint, let everyone explaint all this, and maybe this will be a good point for eveyone in the Future...

This post has been edited by doGGy: Jan 16, 2006 - 4:39 PM

[jgreening]

I say delete this thread and make him type it again!

j/k.

I agree with the kid on this one even though I wouldn't try to make money on a group buy that I was running (assuming I was getting the part too). I say if you don't like him making a profit, just don't buy what is for sale in the group buy.

On the other hand, I don't have a problem with people saying what they think of him charging a premium for the group buy that he is a part of. If its true that he is getting money or a reduced price piece, people have a right to express their opinions as long as they are opinions and not outright defamatory (e.g. "Dustin 'stole' our money"....that would be inappropriate. However, "Dusting is a greedy SOB"...thats an opinion and, while I generally disagree with it, does not offend me)

This post has been edited by jgreening: Jan 16, 2006 - 4:41 PM

[Defgeph]

This is why the other thread was deleted. Cause you will keep beating this dead horse.

Its over. You will not run another group buy.

For reasons Manny posted above.

[dustin15brown]

i agree I did act very premaurely on the lotus side skirt gb... Ben shipped me the side skirts at $14.00 or so and i put THOSE measurement in oringinally when talking to Romas and he gave the the $300 pricing. At Bens' measurements and weights it would have been around $30 to ship to Romas, but after speaking to Romas about all the extra padding and precautions needed for internatiional shipping I jumped from $30 there and $30 back, to $100 there and $100 back

[lagos]

Its over. You will not run another group buy.

who decided that? did everyone have a vote on it or something? i dont think dustin scamed anyone, or took their money and ran. he should be allowed to do what he wants, and its up to the customer to decide if its a good deal for him or in ...imho

[Defgeph]

The Admin of this site.

[lagos]

The Admin of this site.

you mean it was coomers decision?

[Defgeph]

Ill let him speak for himself

[Coomer]

I haven't been following on the whole making money or whatever on the group buys, but I'm just unhappy with a few of the later group buys that have been run by Dustin because they have just ended and been cancelled, which is totally not cool and upsets a lot of people. So that's why I was against any more group buys ran by Dustin...they've been a big headache for myself, the moderators, and this site's members.

[lagos]

I haven't been following on the whole making money or whatever on the group buys, but I'm just unhappy with a few of the later group buys that have been run by Dustin because they have just ended and been cancelled, which is totally not cool and upsets a lot of people. So that's why I was against any more group buys ran by Dustin...they've been a big headache for myself, the moderators, and this site's members.

well at least that makes more sense then people just saying "because you are making money"

[dustin15brown]

fair enough.. does that stop me from running gb's now?

[jgreening]

I haven't been following on the whole making money or whatever on the group buys, but I'm just unhappy with a few of the later group buys that have been run by Dustin because they have just ended and been cancelled, which is totally not cool and upsets a lot of people. So that's why I was against any more group buys ran by Dustin...they've been a big headache for myself, the moderators, and this site's members.

Suspended privileges because of a failed group buy? Awhile back, I started group buy threads for a big break kit, some expensive car ramps, some D2 coilovers, and other things. None of these worked out because lack of interest. Are my privileges to run a group buy going to be suspended too?

Lets be candid. Its all about the kid trying to make a few bucks off other members. It rubs some people the wrong way and causes controversy you don't want to deal with. I think thats a good reason to delete the posts or lock the thread. Deleting the thread or suspending privileges is a little over the top, IMO.

[Clipsetuner]

Wow apprently I havent been pay'n attention at all.

I am on the fence with all this but I thought I might give my example. I was selling alot of things for a while, and I never knew what to charge for shipping, so I would just shoot prices, sometimes it would like 10$ less then what I thought it might be, I dont personaly think it was wrong to keep the extra money *IF* the person receiveing didnt agree with the original shipping price.

I believe that not every group buy is gonna go down, sometimes there just isnt the demand, but once and a while for the people searching for them get lucky and they are willing to pay anything reasonable, and that is there choice what they pay, reguard of if the runner of the group buy makes profit or not.

Reguardless just my thoughts.

DTE

[Coomer]

I'm with madmods...let's just let this all go and keep the group buys off the site for a few days while the mods and I work on some better rules regarding things.

And Jay, failed group buys aren't so much a headache, but when they fail because people start arguing over them and management has to clean threads over and over and when I get people nagging me about group buys and stuff all the time and arguing over stuff like this all over the site it really gets old fast.

[shin]

well i suggest a rules and regulations post for future members who intend to set up GB. and also needs to consult either Coomer, Defgeph or Presure2 before the GB can be approved or.. vendors GB only. i think this will not lead to any of this confusion and dissatisfaction etc.. just muh 0.2c

[doGGy]

If we started soundly lets continue soundly - sorry Madmods i deleted your post.

Im in for the stick rules for GB, and im in for the Vendors Fee witch SHOULD go to Chris. i personally like the System on MR2 oc, and i do think we all should be glad we have a place like this what Chris made, and what we have to be thankfull to Chris to have access to all the paople on this site - so if you wanna make profit - pay atleast some $ to the owner of this site who pays for all the maintance and stuff - this way all would be fair.

This post has been edited by doGGy: Jan 16, 2006 - 5:14 PM

[Coomer]

well i suggest a rules and regulations post for future members who intend to set up GB. and also needs to consult either Coomer, Defgeph or Presure2 before the GB can be approved or.. vendors GB only. i think this will not lead to any of this confusion and dissatisfaction etc.. just muh 0.2c

Yes, that's exactly what we need, and management is working on something like this.

[dustin15brown]

Shouldn't Romas (doggy) be in that group too? He IS a mod and if he thinks someone is suitable to run a gb then that should be satisfaction enough, ESP since his name is on the line by creating the product

[jgreening]

I recommend that you limit your regulation to full disclosure by the person running the group buy. If you set up rules about who can and can't run group buys, you are just going to cut down on the availability of options for the members, cut out competition and drive up the cost of parts. Its Economics 101.

And Coomer, like I said, I think the bickering back and forth IS a good reason for moderator action. I just don't see the benefit of deleting the thread or suspending priviledges in these situations.

[Blakout16]

^ lol @ madmods. i have been chatting with dustin for a couple 30 minutes now, and i say the guy sounds innocent and deserves to be ridden of his sins. he trying to be honest and come back and say sorry for the confusion.

oops sorry doggy, i was adding in valuable information after the fact...

[doGGy]

Shouldn't Romas (doggy) be in that group too? He IS a mod and if he thinks someone is suitable to run a gb then that should be satisfaction enough, ESP since his name is on the line by creating the product

Nope i dont think im necessary in this group. Im glad Chris chosed me as Mod, but i dont want to stick in all this Judging process, cuz most of the time my point of view is different when some opther people cuz i was born/rised/lived in a different country WITCH has different way of life and different point of view - and as majority of members on 6gc are USA members, let the judgung be done by people who KNOW enviroment of all this 100 times better then me.

And as long as im a producer of the stuff more or less, i dont want what some people started to look at my like i have some "forces" over some other people if i do some judging what might look to people as not "fair".

This post has been edited by doGGy: Jan 16, 2006 - 5:21 PM

[lagos]

I think the bickering back and forth IS a good reason for moderator action. I just don't see the benefit of deleting the thread or suspending priviledges in these situations.

yeah i agree. it just seems like this is all about the few extra bucks he added to the price. if he was taking a huge hit on those group buys, then no one would be taking action agains him, no matter how much bickering was going on in his threads. give the kid a break.

[Consynx]

what about in this case:
Someone runs a GB as usual, but Does NOT want the item being purchased.
Should they be able to get the value of the item by adding some $ to the others?
see, this case does NOT work w/ ViS, but it still works.


THOUGHT OF ONE
Example: Romas was selling something i did a GB for, but i didn't want them. We set a target # of sales he wanted, and i tried working it out to where i got the value of the item, and the price was still cheapest(he worked w/ me to get this done)
of course it didn't happen, and instead i made near nothing, but the work was near nothing...so no biggie just some paypal fun w/ Romas, and Text messages

btw Romas, those Texts ran up my phone bill like $15, lmfao
i guess i get charged for overseas texting???

i know that isn't typed out well up top, i may try retyping later.

[dustin15brown]

agreed... I added $20 to my bill texting romas.... .20$ a message adds up quickly

[lagos]

what about in this case:
Someone runs a GB as usual, but Does NOT want the item being purchased.
Should they be able to get the value of the item by adding some $ to the others?
see, this case does NOT work w/ ViS, but it still works.


THOUGHT OF ONE
Example: Romas was selling something i did a GB for, but i didn't want them. We set a target # of sales he wanted, and i tried working it out to where i got the value of the item, and the price was still cheapest(he worked w/ me to get this done)
of course it didn't happen, and instead i made near nothing, but the work was near nothing...so no biggie just some paypal fun w/ Romas, and Text messages

btw Romas, those Texts ran up my phone bill like $15, lmfao
i guess i get charged for overseas texting???

i know that isn't typed out well up top, i may try retyping later.

... im i they only one who dosnt understand a word of that? hahaha

[Defgeph]

what about in this case:
Someone runs a GB as usual, but Does NOT want the item being purchased.
Should they be able to get the value of the item by adding some $ to the others?
see, this case does NOT work w/ ViS, but it still works.

You shouldnt have anything to do with the GB if you dont want the part. Thats elimating the prupose of the GB.
GB = cheapest price possible

[dustin15brown]

no, GB= group buy at a better price than what is available and what people are willing to pay. that is a gb

[Consynx]

i was asked to do a certain GB, which i didn't add money to, nor making anything out of, but it is known as my "best" GB, lol

sarcasm included, that GB ruined me, and many's opinion of me

*edit*: Cheapest price is Wholesale, btw

GB is just a group going for the same goal in order to drive down price.
i called Bulletproof on a GB for us, but they SUCK w/ GBs
runner gets like $12 off, everyone else gets $5-10 off they're already insanely "jdm" prices

This post has been edited by Consynx: Jan 16, 2006 - 5:26 PM

[Defgeph]

ok

[dustin15brown]

I still have respect for u steve, and on a side note this is the quickest thread to grow EVER

[lagos]

I still have respect for u steve, and on a side note this is the quickest thread to grow EVER

you must have missed the inhaler thread then

[Blakout16]

when was this enhaler thread? cuz i've been around a quite along time... oops, this is just asking for a delete

[dustin15brown]

I still have respect for u steve, and on a side note this is the quickest thread to grow EVER

you must have missed the inhaler thread then

yeah i misesd it apparently.. fill me in

[Batman722]

this whole thing is stupid. Just let it go.

but since it is here I will give my opinion....

dustin15brown bought the lotus skirts knowing someone else really wanted them (not me). dustin15brown's reasoning (what he told me) was to either put them onto his new celica he would be getting in the summer and/or to send them to Romas to be reproduced. I told him about how much the skirts would cost to get shipped to Lithuania (I have shipped a few parts to Romas before) and I told him it would cost big $$. Romas is a busy guy, he has many other parts he is producing and these would take some time. He also said if there was no interest from a GB then he would sell them for the cost he got them.

So knowing he paid $225 for the skirts and the cost to send to Romas I told him that there was no way these were gonna be available to members at a reasonable price (under $300). Especially since the "dealer option" skirts are only $327.

So after all of this we find out he is making at least $30 on each set of skirts, that is at least $30 less that anyone who was interested in the GB could of paid for each set of skirts. At least $30 out of a members pocket to another...that IMO isn't right. "Community" and "members helping members" is not what that is all about in my book.

So, if you bought a keychain you paid $2 more than you should have. And if you were going to buy a set of lotus skirts, you would of paid at least $30 more than you should have. Just wrong...

This isn't the donate your hard earned $$ to someone overcharging you site. Rip people off on ebay, not here.

[dustin15brown]

do you just not thoroughly read things? I justified the extra expenses earlier, and they were reasonable. The keychain gb that you keep referring to wasn't me expecting money, it was someone else suggesting it, and I don't know of any who says "No, I do not want free money, esp since the keychain price isn't going to go up by you giving me a percentage"

[ILuvMyCelica95]

this whole thing is stupid. Just let it go.

[Consynx]

do me Billy

[Batman722]

you knew the expenses that were involved but you still went ahead and did it. You knew with your plan of buying these and selling replicas you would either

1 lose $$
or
2 you would over charge people to make your $$ back

you chose #2 and look where it got you. You knew from the start you were gonna overprice them and take extra $$ from every member...it's just wrong

GBs should be for helping everyone with the lowest price possible, not helping everyone with a low price and they give you $$ too.


just let this thing go. It is done and over.

[Defgeph]

and I don't know of any who says "No, I do not want free money, esp since the keychain price isn't going to go up by you giving me a percentage"

I offered to Do the keychain GB for free. Randy's work, Randy's money. Which means two dollars cheaper for everyone.

[dustin15brown]

and I don't know of any who says "No, I do not want free money, esp since the keychain price isn't going to go up by you giving me a percentage"

I offered to Do the keychain GB for free. Randy's work, Randy's money. Which means two dollars cheaper for everyone.

which is most likely why i'm not in charge of it anymore, and that doesn't bother me

[Batman722]

and I don't know of any who says "No, I do not want free money, esp since the keychain price isn't going to go up by you giving me a percentage"

I offered to Do the keychain GB for free. Randy's work, Randy's money. Which means two dollars cheaper for everyone.

which is most likely why i'm not in charge of it anymore, and that doesn't bother me

[drnovascotia]

the idea behind GB's is to SAVE money, not for the person whos running it to make a profit.

uhh, get a high school education then come back and talk

Group buy is a way to sell multiple items for a discounted rate, the theory behind this being that instead of making more money per item with a gauranteed amount of sales you'll make money through quantity.

If group buys didn't mean profit they wouldn't exist. . plain and simple.

Dr.

[Defgeph]

and I don't know of any who says "No, I do not want free money, esp since the keychain price isn't going to go up by you giving me a percentage"

I offered to Do the keychain GB for free. Randy's work, Randy's money. Which means two dollars cheaper for everyone.

which is most likely why i'm not in charge of it anymore, and that doesn't bother me

Exactly.

[dustin15brown]

the idea behind GB's is to SAVE money, not for the person whos running it to make a profit.

uhh, get a high school education then come back and talk

Group buy is a way to sell multiple items for a discounted rate, the theory behind this being that instead of making more money per item with a gauranteed amount of sales you'll make money through quantity.

If group buys didn't mean profit they wouldn't exist. . plain and simple.

Dr.

point, set, match and game. Thanks man

[97lestyousay]

Look, I still made you a keychain for free.
I offered .50c per unit then you pmed me again
and again I told you .50c per unit. And again same questions
as in the PM i posted last thread. So I offered you 1.50
then the dec 21 pm. I told you from the start 8.00
per keychain and yes I was cutting my own money
not jacking up the price. I have over 50 hrs programming
setting up and actual machining. To put it bluntly
I could have worked overtime the whole time I was working on these.
I could have made working for my boss gross over $1400.00 and
made him very happy instead of pissing him off with the whole
deal. So if you were not wanting more money why did you ask the same
question 5 times? I still have 10 hrs painting left. Maybe I should send the
Black with red letters to you to finish since I was never really for that anyway.
Do you do that to doggy, promise cf when you know he doesn't want to do it.
I was ready to give them away unfinished just to be done with you.

[presure2]

uhh, get a high school education then come back and talk

Group buy is a way to sell multiple items for a discounted rate, the theory behind this being that instead of making more money per item with a gauranteed amount of sales you'll make money through quantity.

If group buys didn't mean profit they wouldn't exist. . plain and simple.

Dr.

the point of group buys is NOT for a middleman from this site to make money, maybe i shoulda been a little more specific.
simple concept.
the company who MAKES the product makes money, not the person running the GB.
also,
if you wanna try and take personal stabs at me, thats cool, i have no problem with that..lol
its the internet, not highschool

This post has been edited by presure2: Jan 16, 2006 - 7:45 PM

[Consynx]

honestly, this is kind of retarded.
depending on the difficulty of the group purchase, not too many would run it for free.
I spend an average of about 20hrs a week on a GB before. making calls, answering PMs, calling people...
a lot of your guys have jobs, and have less time, but money
for those w/o jobs, they have no money but have time and can run a GB that they can't afford, is it not okay to have that exchange available to someone?

i'm not quite understanding all this.
there definately needs to be rules, and they need to be thought about, because w/e is made up can make or break future gbs

[Batman722]

Look, I still made you a keychain for free.
I offered .50c per unit then you pmed me again
and again I told you .50c per unit. And again same questions
as in the PM i posted last thread. So I offered you 1.50
then the dec 21 pm. I told you from the start 8.00
per keychain and yes I was cutting my own money
not jacking up the price. I have over 50 hrs programming
setting up and actual machining. To put it bluntly
I could have worked overtime the whole time I was working on these.
I could have made working for my boss gross over $1400.00 and
made him very happy instead of pissing him off with the whole
deal. So if you were not wanting more money why did you ask the same
question 5 times? I still have 10 hrs painting left. Maybe I should send the
Black with red letters to you to finish since I was never really for that anyway.
Do you do that to doggy, promise cf when you know he doesn't want to do it.
I was ready to give them away unfinished just to be done with you.

[dustin15brown]

there was a reason for pm'ing u multiple times asking teh same questions... because you never answered everything together, and I didn't want the price to be ADDED with the profit... I wasn't sure, but it's done. And yes I am this way with everyone... A bit overbearing to make sure that no details are spared, no mistakes are made. and yeah i told people romas could do cf even though he dind't like it... i told them it would cost a lot more also..

[Defgeph]

i'm not quite understanding all this.
there definately needs to be rules, and they need to be thought about, because w/e is made up can make or break future gbs

Which we are currently working on. New rules should be out soon.

[Consynx]

Please, i'd take time on this.
If i had to take a guess at what they were now, i'd see only....4 people willing to run future GBs.

[dustin15brown]

what does ba-zing mean? anyone?

[Defgeph]

I hear ya Steve. That I dont want. Were trying to work out a better method.

[Consynx]

it's like pwned.
it's from Family Guy

[97lestyousay]

there was a reason for pm'ing u multiple times asking teh same questions... because you never answered everything together, and I didn't want the price to be ADDED with the profit... I wasn't sure, but it's done. And yes I am this way with everyone... A bit overbearing to make sure that no details are spared, no mistakes are made. and yeah i told people romas could do cf even though he dind't like it... i told them it would cost a lot more also..

What else did you need to know? Yes I cut the price now. I offered jeff
2.00 per unit to take it over. He preferred to pass the savings along.
What about sakara's gb, for agc.com? wanna see some PMs from that?
You and I are here for different reasons Plain and simple.
Oh agc they are not getting anything from me thanks to you.

[dustin15brown]

I agree with steve... how the rules are set up with single handedly determing the success and future of gb's

[dustin15brown]

ok well i pm'd Randy three times to find out the AGC situation because I vaugely remember talking to Sakara, so I am not saying i didn't do something wrong. Although I do not recall, because I THOUGHT i was going off of what Randy said, but apparently not. O well i'm sure he will post it

[Defgeph]

Well since you want everything posted, I think he should. I'd like to read it as well. See what else has been going on.

[dustin15brown]

thats fine by me, that wasn't associated with 6gc so i might have been profit laden, but i discussed things with him first... so we will see... If things were inappropriate i will apologize, not a big deal to me

[97lestyousay]

I'm not posting any thing. I am willing to let bygones be bygones.
To be totally honest I will prolly buy Coom some tools with all the procedes
anyway. I am really sorry this whole thing got so out of hand.

[95gtschick]

just let this go already.... forgive and forget, it's not that hard. and besides, it's the internet... if you've done someone wrong, or something, call them and apologize, not post about it on some very public forum

[zachattack15]

I know nothing about all this, but from what I read it looks pretty rediculous. In my opinion if someone takes the time and effort to run a group buy and gets the product to everyone safely then there is nothing wrong with him/her making a little bit extra for there hard work. If the buyers agree to pay a price and they get a product then why does it matter how the money is split between the creator and the person who ran the group buy. The buyers shouldnt even know how the money was split. They have their product and should be happy.

[saleeka]

/\ agreed...

I don't understand the whole commotion going on about helping others on this site and it being wrong to make a profit in a group buy, when we have a whole sub forum deddicated to buying and selling.... ? there clearly is profit going on in that situation- so what makes a group buy any different? I guess i dont see the anger here. If there wasnt a group buy in the first place, you would be paying more for the item REGARDLESS of whos getting a cut...

[RocketScott]

/\ +2

This crap has going on far too long and at the risk of adding fuel to the fire I'll throw in my two cents:

I've done group buys for other groups where I charged more than my actual materials cost but it certainly didn't cover my time and the tooling for machining. I would hardly call this "profit". If a price is set for a group buy and the members are willing to pay for it then I don't see a problem.

Dustin, or anyone else coordinating a group buy, is providing a service. If someone else can step up and prvide the same service for less then by all means speak up. Otherwise let the person coordinating the group buy do as they see fit.

[dustinkemp]

This crap has going on far too long

i didnt know this even went on...honestly i agree with just about eveyone
*Dustin15Brown cause this is america and the sole purpose of america is to make money
*Coom +Others cause he did jack the price up on things
*my opinion is to go like everyone else and "forgive and forget", everyone always talks about how much of a "family" we are and how much we all dont bash each other and we all get along but right now it doesnt look like a family, but thats just me

[dustin15brown]

If a price is set for a group buy and the members are willing to pay for it then I don't see a problem.

agreed