MR2T>GT4, incase non of you guys saw it yet Options

[shin]

GT4 OWNED *CLICK ME*

this is a sad clip lol.

[snapshotgt]

naw, the person driving the gt4 was a bad driver...that's all

~snap

[macavely]

ok whats sad about the video ??? the car that should have won did ..

[GMoney]

a very very bad driver ......where did they get that guy from ...

[lagos]

awd isint the best on a car that makes around 200hp. the mr2 has less weight and good traction so it will win.

[orvillescelica]

they both have pretty much the same engine, but the MR2 weights a lot less. What did you think was going to happen?

i know the MR2 has a 2nd gen 3sgte and the gt4 has a 3rd gen, but thats only a difference of 20 hp or so, hardly enough to cancel out the weight advantage the MR2 has.

[Driveby]

Its not just the weight advantage its the big hit the 4 takes in transmission losses, MR2T's win hands down in a straight line come the top of 3rd gear (4 gets the hole shot with a good launch)
Add some bends and a bit of surface water and its a different story though

[boosted_K2]

you can tell from the front lip thats a 94+ MR2... meaning it has an MR2 3rd gen 245 HP 3sgte with ceramic CT20b turbo instead of the standard 2nd gen 225 HP 3sgte with steel CT26 turbo.

Its not just the weight advantage its the big hit the 4 takes in transmission losses, MR2T's win hands down in a straight line come the top of 3rd gear (4 gets the hole shot with a good launch)
Add some bends and a bit of surface water and its a different story though

the wet/adverse conditions is the only thing that makes the GT4 better, put both through some twisties in nice weather and the MR2 will pull away even more.

and as far as the launch thing i raced my MR2t vs my friends 5th gen alltrac (he was putting down more HP than i was) and he only pulled about 1 to 1 1/2 car lengths on the launch and i bogged a little... and that was on a drag strip too... he ended up nosing me by like 1/8th of a length, too bad it was a late fall day and we didnt get time slips b/c the leaves were tripping the lights

This post has been edited by boosted_K2: Jan 26, 2006 - 5:49 PM

[CelicaZR]

I'm not that disppointed at the GT-4.
I know the MR-2 is quicker than the 4.
Boy, I would love to have both of them

[MaskedMan]

an mr2 isn't as light as some people think, they weight about 2900lb, so atleast 3000lbs with a driver.
a 6th gen gt4 should weight about 3200-3300lbs with a driver, not too sure since i can never find the exact weight. Anyways, i forgot what my point is but it had to do with supras and skylines and awd vs rwd, weight and power ratio, and whats done to the engine, blah blah blah. yeah im going to bed.

[azian_advanced]

^^ well probably what you wanted to say was that MR2's (even if they're a tad lighter than fours) are lower to the ground and have the heaviest part of the car already in the back which leads to a better take-ff, therefore without considering any loss of traction, or the difference in HP and drivers between both cars, the MR2 will have the upper hand.

[creis]

well did not take the gt4 by much, but yeah weight i dnnt think is that far off, the problem is that the gt4 is putting down less power to the wheel, in that the tranny has to split the power to 4 wheels instaid of two, so as long as then 2wd car does not slip much its gana win (well in the case where the hp is pretty close at the motor)

side note: I took a AWD subaro pretty easy (its rated at 140ish i think, at the motor) I spun bad because it was really cold and because i have horrible traction for some reason, but got a head by a good car lenght before i hit 50 and let off.

[bufferdan]

mr2s ggo woooo fast

[boosted_K2]

mr2s ggo woooo fast

what he said

[Shigexile]

gan-san (the mr2 driver) is better known for his skills BUT they are both good drivers. so yeah, i thnk the race was pretty fair.

[boosted_K2]

hey shig, did you pop that cone? or did you just go the wrong way?? hehe

[Shigexile]

hey shig, did you pop that cone? or did you just go the wrong way?? hehe

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[Mr_E]

Its not just the weight advantage its the big hit the 4 takes in transmission losses, MR2T's win hands down in a straight line come the top of 3rd gear (4 gets the hole shot with a good launch)
Add some bends and a bit of surface water and its a different story though

Yup.

The four isn't that much heavier, but the transmission losses are huge.


However, I'd suggest the average driver can punt a four down a road faster than a two, and the four will be a hell of a lot easier to drive fast when you start approaching the limits of traction.

An MR2 requires an appropriate level of skill. Most people are nowhere near that. Myself included.

[boosted_K2]

hey shig, did you pop that cone? or did you just go the wrong way?? hehe

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in your sig.

[MaskedMan]

so if im thinking correctly with this weight/power/traction stuff i read in this thread, it sounds to me like a FWD celica with a 3rd gen 3sgte swap would actually be the fastest car of the three. Since it wieghs the least amount, (2600-2700) and the power loss is minimal, same as that MR2. So given that you have a driver that can correctly launch a FWD car, the Swapped celica would be the fastest? it sounds right to me.

[dustin15brown]

so if im thinking correctly with this weight/power/traction stuff i read in this thread, it sounds to me like a FWD celica with a 3rd gen 3sgte swap would actually be the fastest car of the three. Since it wieghs the least amount, (2600-2700) and the power loss is minimal, same as that MR2. So given that you have a driver that can correctly launch a FWD car, the Swapped celica would be the fastest? it sounds right to me.

no just because it weighs less and is fwd... the traction becomes a huge problem... JGreening is currently undergoing major traction issues I believe... because it's just too fast

This post has been edited by dustin15brown: Jan 28, 2006 - 2:50 PM

[MaskedMan]

ahh you are correct, i forgot about that becuase traction is not an issue for me becusae my car is too slow... I had wierd thinking becuase i beat a NA mr2, but the driver of the Mr2 wieghed 100 more pounds than me, and also like i said, i can control what little power i have so wheel spin isn't much of a problem.

[nemesis]

That's too bad... (I meant sad)! LOL

[94gts]

Here I uploaded some more of those vids featuring GT4's I think it was from best motoring

GT4 vs RX7

GT4 vs Silvia

GT4 vs Supra

[SlowCelica94]

Here I uploaded some more of those vids featuring GT4's I think it was from best motoring

GT4 vs RX7

GT4 vs Silvia

GT4 vs Supra

None of those GT4s times are consistent. 14 flat from a completely stock 4, AND beating a 7? Something isn't right here.

[GT4WRC]

the wet/adverse conditions is the only thing that makes the GT4 better, put both through some twisties in nice weather and the MR2 will pull away even more.

As someone who has legally raced against an MR2 with a GT4 on tight twisty roads, I can assure you that isn't the case. The MR2 was modded and my GT4 was basically standard at the time and while he did have the edge in a straight line, I was all over him in the corners. GT4 with it's 4WD system will be far more stable in the corners and will be able to accelerate out of the better too.
Gary

[boosted_K2]

IMO its a point not really worth arguing because everyone will always see things differently, but if a good driver took both cars out on a well maintained road course the MR2 will pull a faster time, the GT4 is much easier to push to its limit, the mr2 like any midengine vehicle takes a lot of experience to drive to its absolute limit, in your case im sure the driver/car combo was much better than that of your opponent.

stability is dependant on the drivers ability to control the weight transfer of the vehicle, if the driver is experienced in driving MR it can be driven right at the limit and hold a higher G level. After looking them up the GT-4 is rated at .84 Gs while the MR2 is rated at .94 Gs.

This post has been edited by boosted_K2: Jan 29, 2006 - 11:15 PM

[creis]

ok guys how about this, lets take 2 people who have never drivin a car ever and put em in each an MR2 and a GT-Four and see who wins, i mean thats the only way to make the race compleatly fair right.

side note, yeah its all the drivers preferance, both are very nice cars and have compleatly diff. handeling.

that rx7 race was sweet, gt=4 took em but that rx7 has a higher top end and cought up quite nicly. (the rx7 is one of my favorate cars, I love the looks, and that rotary, mmmm baby.)

This post has been edited by creis: Jan 29, 2006 - 11:42 PM

[boosted_K2]

ok guys how about this, lets take 2 people who have never drivin a car ever and put em in each an MR2 and a GT-Four and see who wins, i mean thats the only way to make the race compleatly fair right.

side note, yeah its all the drivers preferance, both are very nice cars and have compleatly diff. handeling.

that rx7 race was sweet, gt=4 took em but that rx7 has a higher top end and cought up quite nicly.

yupp, just have to agree to disagree.

[gt_driFFter]

ok guys how about this, lets take 2 people who have never drivin a car ever and put em in each an MR2 and a GT-Four and see who wins, i mean thats the only way to make the race compleatly fair right.

Haha, no it wouldn't be fair because AWD cars pretty much drive themselves when compared to Mid-engine RWD cars. It takes a lot more skill to push a MR vehicle to its limits, as boosted said.

Anywho.. there are definately some cool videos in this thread!

-Josh

[creis]

^ well then i guess the gt-4 wins because it handels better.