I have a ricer question, ...no really Options

[celicaGT96]

I was just thinking, what is is that makes a car sound so crappy, like really the fart can mufflers.
I know of alot of cars that are fast as hell, and have all these mods, and they just sound soo ugly.
I mean its pretty common you see, or hear a honda fartin around your neighborhood, but if Im not mistaken our cars dont sound that way, and I have heard with many diff types of mufflers and exhausts.
Is there a certain cause for that sound....even some cars with good brand exhaust systems just dont sound right.
Im in the turboing process for my gt, and Im trying to avoid farts at all cost....lol

This post has been edited by celicaGT96: Jan 31, 2006 - 1:34 AM

[Consynx]

all 4-cylinder engines have a higher frequency? whine to them.
hondas usually sound different than most engines...no clue why.

all it should be is proper sound deadening.
a resonator and a good muffler should get you on your way to sounding less "ricey"

in some exhaust it's somewhat wanted(IMO). i think the Fujitsu Legalis(i butchered the spelling) is always very whiney.

If you want more info on mufflers, Manny MIGHT be able to help you, as i think he researched before deciding on the magnaflow? muffler. . .

[Insanity-74]

Try and go for an exhaust that dose not have a rolled in end to the tip, (if you know what I mean) as this adds to the crappy sound you hear on Honda`s....I used to have a Civic Si that was totally standard, but when the exhaust "went" it was cheaper for me to buy an aftermarket one...as I had little money at the time this is what I bought, it was a "Janspeed" IIRC with a rolled in tip....sounded bloody awfull, resonated around the car and made long trips a living nightmare.
Anyway...this should go some way in preventing that horrible sound.

[Dr_Tweak]

A nice, long resonator will help give the exhaust note a much deeper tone. That's about all I know

The best way to get a better exhaust note, of course, is to swap in a V6 or V8.

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Jan 31, 2006 - 3:51 AM

[TheStreetzKing]

what do u mean rolled tip??

[snapshotgt]

man, i hate those civic's with the weed-eater sounding mufflers...

...sorry for the pointless post...i just had to comment

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Jan 31, 2006 - 10:32 AM

[Consynx]

rolled = rounded edge
i believe....

non-rolled:

rolled:

[TheStreetzKing]

oO lol thought that was it, yea i got a non rolled Ractive.. lol i wanna shoot some flames out but i dont drive a 9 second supra

[bloodrain]

A nice, long resonator will help give the exhaust note a much deeper tone. That's about all I know

The best way to get a better exhaust note, of course, is to swap in a V6 or V8.

the way you get a deeper tone is not by how many cylinders you have, but how many liters are in the engine. Usaully tho when you have 5+ liters you have a v6 or a v8 (like mustangs, camaros, ect.) and when you have a crappy 1.3 liter its usaully in a 4 cylinder honda, acura, ect. MOST of our cars are 2.2 liters, so it doesnt usaully sound that bad. I prefer the mustang sound over a civic anyday,I just dont think it would look/sound right on our cars. I prefer a silent car.

[playr158]

for sound its about your motor defenitly but things you can do to aid in the increase in noise quality are things like

QUALITY parts...yes this means MORE MONEY but its worth it
hks, greddy, magnaflow are all good products that can produce good tones

RESONATOR...a nice long one with drilled (NOT slotted) core is best, this reduces and/or eliminates the loudness and drone of an exhaust along with deepening the over all tone..

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I like mine. Strate pipe sounds the best. I do get a little shrill sound at about 1.9k-2.1k. But then it clears up. I don't think my exhaust sounds the best, but it was cheap and effective. I'm considering a resonater to help calm things down a bit. Depends on price.

[6gc_driven]

speakin of resonators..where can i get one.. i heard the local muffler shops have them and they arent that expensive, only like $30-$40 installed. does that soun right?

[Driftz]

I have 2 1/2' straight pipe on the exhaust with a 2' cherry bomb where the resonator use to be. The exhaust comes out right infront of the passenger rear tire, straight pipe with a bolt on exhaust tip, and the car sounds awesome. It has a nice deep sound. I have to agree with Insanity-74, my friend just put a muffler like that on his integra... it sounds awful.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Heres my theory on why an exhaust will sound like it does.

1.) Displacement. Cars with a larger displacement motor will inherently sound deeper due to the size of the engine. Likewise, a car with more cylinders usually has a deeper sound because the exhaust note is of the collective tone of all 6 or 8 cylinders firing, for example. Also, with cylinders usually comes more displacement....deeper tone.

2.) Engine design. An inline 4 cylinder like our cars have won't sound like a EJ20 horizontally opposed 4 cylinder in the WRX. They sound very deep in comparison even with less displacement because of the way the engine is designed. It doesn't have a smooth whine up to redline like the I-4, they sound like a series of pops that really adds to a rumbling deep tone. Hondas are a low displacement motor that really get loud when revved hard....but also the rice sound you often hear is the result of the following factor.....

3.) The exhaust. If you have a larger diameter pipe it'll usually add up to a louder exhaust. A resonator will allow you to manipulate that tone, along with the design of the muffler. If I put a canister style or "fart can" muffler on the same piping I have now as opposed to my GReddy setup, it would certainly be louder because of the path in which the exhaust and engine sound exits the car. Usually when I see a "ricey" sounding car its because there is a huge ugly canister muffler that just kinda emits sound and exhaust in whatever direction instead of a free-flowing and focused route.

Thats pretty much my opinion on why exhausts sound like they do.

[Driveby]

QUALITY parts...yes this means MORE MONEY but its worth it

Single biggest factor imo, quality construction with some R+D put into the design.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

QUALITY parts...yes this means MORE MONEY but its worth it

Single biggest factor imo, quality construction with some R+D put into the design.

Just because something costs more, doesn't make it better. Look at the injen intake for the Celica's compared to a modified Accord intake. You'll pick up more with the Accord intake and you'll only pay 20% on the price.

[OrbitalGT95]

A nice, long resonator will help give the exhaust note a much deeper tone. That's about all I know

The best way to get a better exhaust note, of course, is to swap in a V6 or V8.

straight 6 woot woot..rb20det time for my 240!!

[Shigexile]

straight 6 woot woot..rb20det time for my 240!!

?
you have a RB in your 240?

[BlackCelicaGT94]

QUALITY parts...yes this means MORE MONEY but its worth it

Single biggest factor imo, quality construction with some R+D put into the design.

Definetely. All of my exhaust including piping, muffler, all of it is custom made by my fabricator and i get so many compliments on it. Granted alot would like it louder but it works for me and i can hear it in my house when i have the car warming up so thats loud enough if you ask me. Even had a cop say that it was too loud when it was in neutral - lol

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Jan 31, 2006 - 5:44 PM

[Celica_Fan]

We call them big bore exhausts in new nealand just a muffler tip not full exhaust system doesn't do anything except cause alot of noise we even have cars without rims like nana spec cars with b/bore exhausts they will be making a new law soon to stop noisy exhausts.

[lilsteeg]

forget rb20 go rb26 thats what my friend is doing

[celicaGT96]

wow, this is some interesting info.....i was watching those videos that were posted a couple of days ago, with boss33s car, and dang it sounds so beautiful. Is it only cuz its a 3s, or it possible to achieve that sound with a gt sinse, the 3s is 2.0 liter, and gts are 2.2?
...I know theres alot more to it than that just liters but, just curious

[pokemeintheeye]

I've heard plenty of Celica's with an ugly sound. Its not that uncommon. My cousin had one. Bought it from someone else like that.

[macavely]

I was just thinking, what is is that makes a car sound so crappy, like really the fart can mufflers.
I know of alot of cars that are fast as hell, and have all these mods, and they just sound soo ugly.
I mean its pretty common you see, or hear a honda fartin around your neighborhood, but if Im not mistaken our cars dont sound that way, and I have heard with many diff types of mufflers and exhausts.
Is there a certain cause for that sound....even some cars with good brand exhaust systems just dont sound right.
Im in the turboing process for my gt, and Im trying to avoid farts at all cost....lol

it starts from the engine ... engines that rev over 7k rpm sound more like motorcycles .. our low reving engines sound better cause of this... so when adding an exhust system is just making that sound stronger what ever it is...

[creis]

^ yeah, plus when you hear civics and stuff reving up all high and "ricey" its has to do with the fact people think that putting a huge exhaust system on a little motor give good gain. like slapping a 2.5 inch system with a big header on a little 1.5 ltr. the no-backpressure thing gives a horrible sound not to mention the backfire.

I have a rice can on my car, and i gata say I love the sound nice a deep with a good growell, but that my opinion.

This post has been edited by creis: Jan 31, 2006 - 8:36 PM

[tangcla]

hmm funny that. While I was reading this thread, some retard in a Lancer (and associated fullsik mods: altezza tails, chrome rims, ugly Droid bodykit, and cannon muffler!!!) just drove past and it sounded like shat.

This post has been edited by tangcla: Jan 31, 2006 - 9:22 PM

[dlx742]

man, i hate those civic's with the weed-eater sounding mufflers...

...sorry for the pointless post...i just had to comment

~snap

my best friend has a porsche 914 that sounds exactly like a lawn mower but could eat most cars alive.

i think A LOT of the way exhaust sounds is in direct corrolation with the size and type of the engine. but i also believe size of exhaust piping and type of muffler and or resonator play their role in sound.

^ yeah, plus when you hear civics and stuff reving up all high and "ricey" its has to do with the fact people think that putting a huge exhaust system on a little motor give good gain. like slapping a 2.5 inch system with a big header on a little 1.5 ltr. the no-backpressure thing gives a horrible sound not to mention the backfire.

thats not a backfire... that is excess fuel burning in the exhaust because it was not burned in the engine. all cars do it, but you dont here it on most stock cars because the exhaust is too restrictive.

This post has been edited by dlx742: Jan 31, 2006 - 10:46 PM

[tangcla]

Also the material that the exhuast is made of makes a difference - ie. thickness of material. It's to do with resonant frequencies.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

my best friend has a porsche 914 that sounds exactly like a lawn mower but could eat most cars alive.

There's a lot of cars out there that could smoke most everything on the street, and there's people out there that try to make themselfs feel better by saying they just sound like "rice." That way their slow cars with name brand exhausts with rich deap tones don't sound so stupid. I'm not meaning to be mean just for the sake of it, I just want people to give credit were it is due.

[OrbitalGT95]

straight 6 woot woot..rb20det time for my 240!!

?
you have a RB in your 240?

very soon i will have one...and i would love to rb26, but u dont understand the work and money thats involved...first u need a custom drive shaft, rwd tranny of an rb25....the most elaborate downpipe if you want to keep both turbos..pluse the engine it self is close to 5k, and thats even shipped. not to mention you gonna need to fab up engine and tranny mounts...all in all, if u got the cash go for it, but the rb20 is 10x cheaper and 10x easier to install..u jus bolt up the k member, i can use my drive shaft..hell i could use my own tranny if i wanted, but it's not as strong..PLUSE, most parts like clutchs and things are that nature are the same as an n/a 300zx, so parts wont be that hard to find

[soulshadow]

I should post a sound clip from the 4age with a magnaflow exhaust....Its so freakin loud driving it. Its got the good ol deep sporty tone and at high revs it sounds like a bomb exploding.

[doGGy]

ooooook here is what i learned and read on the subject... Long long time ago i was experimenting with all the tipes of mufflers / resonators.. I did 3 my own mufflers (straight trough design) and 3 resonators, all of them where different.

Basicly - the sound depends from whole system, if you have good flowing system and inside the pipes where are no sharp edges, no welding marks left - it will sound clean (no puf puf and no dra dra when you rev it and realise the gas pedal)

Second thing - Resonator / Muffler ( when they are the straight through design), the size / diameter of them will make your sound either risey or a nice deep tone. The Diameter will deside what tone your sound will be the bigger diameter and short lenght will give you higher pitch sound, cuz the big bang will be slowed down but all the small ding ding sounds will be left untouched. The smaller diameter and longer ones will give you a loud but clean deep tone cuz all the small pitching will be damped and deep but loud sound will go out.. The combination of these two parameters will give you desired sound.. When going custom it all depends on the design of these 2...

Why do you think Greddy SP sounds so damn good? take a look at the rear muffler - the size of it is almost the same as Stock one, and the resonator is almost the same too.

In this case - size matter - but matter only if you want to quiet down the sound, but queting the sound - means slowing donw the exhaust gases... so... it is for you to chose.

Best exhaust - straight pipe of 1 meter long and some sort of funnel type tip on the end... Sound will be amazing

[deseptv]

It also makes a difference how many valves per cylinder an engine has, 4 valve engines alyways have a higher pitched note compared to 2 valve. My 18rg and 2tg celicas sound heaps deeper and gruntier compared to the 5s

[MonsterBOX]

how much of a factor does boost play?

[doGGy]

how much of a factor does boost play?

Huge. You can run open down pipe and you will be able to drive and sound wount be so damn huge. Turbo cuts away about 50 - 70% of sound, cuz it slows down the gases.

[Valo666]

straight 6 woot woot..rb20det time for my 240!!

?
you have a RB in your 240?

very soon i will have one...and i would love to rb26, but u dont understand the work and money thats involved...first u need a custom drive shaft, rwd tranny of an rb25....the most elaborate downpipe if you want to keep both turbos..pluse the engine it self is close to 5k, and thats even shipped. not to mention you gonna need to fab up engine and tranny mounts...all in all, if u got the cash go for it, but the rb20 is 10x cheaper and 10x easier to install..u jus bolt up the k member, i can use my drive shaft..hell i could use my own tranny if i wanted, but it's not as strong..PLUSE, most parts like clutchs and things are that nature are the same as an n/a 300zx, so parts wont be that hard to find

My friend has a RB26 in his s13. Single turbo, 4inch exhaust from front to back(straight), experimental engine and trans mounts, AEM standalone coustom tuned. It took him 8 months from start 2 finish including tuning time. He runs 12.8s, but hez got mad boost leak. Hez sellin his car soon for $21K soon, hopefully.