3sgte Swap Complete!!! Options

[gtfc115]

well today was the best day in a LOOONG time (about 2 years). i got a call from my guy at the shop and he said the swap was done. OH JOY.

i picked it up and went driving around for a few hours...not really beating on it too bad, but i was giving it some gas a few times. wow this thing is awesome. its tough to find the gears sometimes (i need to re-do my mr2 tranny shifter conversion). and i need to grind down the passenger side engine mount cuz its resting on the timing gear cover.

so now here's the first inevitable problem...i was on my way home on a country road and stepped on it a little, and it died. at first i thought it just stalled so i tried to start it back up, and it died again. i pull over and started it and it idled ok, but if i even touched the gas a little, it died.

i called the shop and he said it sounded like my fuel pump went out. does that sound right to you guys? i was expecting this to happen cuz i was using my 7afe fuel pump (i know, BAD idea). so now's my chance to get a new one.

[nik]

well today was the best day in a LOOONG time (about 2 years). i got a call from my guy at the shop and he said the swap was done. OH JOY.

i picked it up and went driving around for a few hours...not really beating on it too bad, but i was giving it some gas a few times. wow this thing is awesome. its tough to find the gears sometimes (i need to re-do my mr2 tranny shifter conversion). and i need to grind down the passenger side engine mount cuz its resting on the timing gear cover.

so now here's the first inevitable problem...i was on my way home on a country road and stepped on it a little, and it died. at first i thought it just stalled so i tried to start it back up, and it died again. i pull over and started it and it idled ok, but if i even touched the gas a little, it died.

i called the shop and he said it sounded like my fuel pump went out. does that sound right to you guys? i was expecting this to happen cuz i was using my 7afe fuel pump (i know, BAD idea). so now's my chance to get a new one.

wow that is really stupid you put all that money and time into a swap and dont upgrade the pump

[gtfc115]

well today was the best day in a LOOONG time (about 2 years). i got a call from my guy at the shop and he said the swap was done. OH JOY.

i picked it up and went driving around for a few hours...not really beating on it too bad, but i was giving it some gas a few times. wow this thing is awesome. its tough to find the gears sometimes (i need to re-do my mr2 tranny shifter conversion). and i need to grind down the passenger side engine mount cuz its resting on the timing gear cover.

so now here's the first inevitable problem...i was on my way home on a country road and stepped on it a little, and it died. at first i thought it just stalled so i tried to start it back up, and it died again. i pull over and started it and it idled ok, but if i even touched the gas a little, it died.

i called the shop and he said it sounded like my fuel pump went out. does that sound right to you guys? i was expecting this to happen cuz i was using my 7afe fuel pump (i know, BAD idea). so now's my chance to get a new one.

wow that is really stupid you put all that money and time into a swap and dont upgrade the pump

so did i blow the motor? it didnt sound bad...it just died

and yeah, i know it was stupid...

[Supersprynt]

If the car started up and idled fine I dont think you blew your motor.

Replace that fuel pump asap or you will blow it, it was unwise of not only you but the mechanic to not upgrade the pump.

[gtfc115]

well it was my fault...he didnt know anything about the swap before i brought my car to him.

im going tomorrow morning to talk to him. i doubt he'll have a new pump in there by then, so i'll make sure he gets a bigger one.

[gtfc115]

oh, and i should post this in the other thread. but the short axle solution worked for me. get another axle and use that part as a spacer, get longer bolts, and you're set.

[lagos]

you probably have a vac leak causing you car to stall out

[j0e_p3t]

hold up... it took 2 years to do the swap?

[gtfc115]

hold up... it took 2 years to do the swap?

yea, my first mistake was gettin an mr2 clip...and then none of the shops around here know how to do the swap (well 1 does now) and a lot of LOOONG stories in between....****ing nightmare.

you probably have a vac leak causing you car to stall out

well its already at the shop, but is there an easy way to check for that? either way, its getting a new fuel pump.

[StreetRacing10PS...]

check your boost guage. if you are running less then 20PSi of vac. you have a leak

[snapshotgt]

...does not sound like your swap is complete Good luck sorting it out!

snap

[gtfc115]

check your boost guage. if you are running less then 20PSi of vac. you have a leak

guage doesnt show vac

[CelicaZR]

Congrats on your swap
Wow... 2 years in a very long time for a swap
I hope you get everything sorted out.

[lagos]

check your boost guage. if you are running less then 20PSi of vac. you have a leak

guage doesnt show vac

what do u mean? you are not getting vac...or you bought a gauge that dosnt read vac?

i recomend you sign up to mr2oc.com and start reading every single post.

[Supersprynt]

haha, every single post.

[madmods]

hold up... it took 2 years to do the swap?

yea, my first mistake was gettin an mr2 clip...and then none of the shops around here know how to do the swap (well 1 does now) and a lot of LOOONG stories in between....****ing nightmare.

you probably have a vac leak causing you car to stall out

well its already at the shop, but is there an easy way to check for that? either way, its getting a new fuel pump.

Hope you get it figured out. I'm curious why the mr2 clip was a mistake?

[lagos]

haha, every single post.

yes. every single post, or untill your eyes start to bleed. whatever happens first. its the only way to learn about the 3sgte.

Hope you get it figured out. I'm curious why the mr2 clip was a mistake?

madmods, have you read any of the posts that have been going on about the mr2 vs st185 clip ?

[madmods]

haha, every single post.

yes. every single post, or untill your eyes start to bleed. whatever happens first. its the only way to learn about the 3sgte.

Hope you get it figured out. I'm curious why the mr2 clip was a mistake?

madmods, have you read any of the posts that have been going on about the mr2 vs st185 clip ?

no, whats up with them? I thought using the clip was the way to go. whats the right clip?

[lagos]

just read the thread below this one.

[madmods]

just read the thread below this one.

Alright, got it. I thought that was the motor all you guys were using. I read this:

1st Generation - 190 HP(USDM '87-'89 Celica All-Trac), 187 HP(JDM '87-'89 Celica GT-Four)
2nd Generation - 200 HP(USDM '90-'93 Celica All-Trac, USDM '91-'95 MR2 Turbo), 221 HP(JDM '90-'93 Celica GT-Four, JDM '89-'94 MR2 Turbo), 231 HP(JDM '90-'93 Celica GT-Four RC)
3rd Generation - 239 HP(Non-JDM '94-'99 Celica GT-Four), 241 HP(JDM '95-'99 MR2 Turbo), 251 HP(JDM '94-'98 Celica GT-Four)
4th Generation - 254 HP(JDM ST246 Toyota Caldina GT-Four)

Found this at the feasible swap section and thought hmm mr2 the way to go. So are most people using the
all-trac?

[presure2]

you probably have a vac leak causing you car to stall out

yes. every single post, or untill your eyes start to bleed. whatever happens first. its the only way to learn about the 3sgte.

agreed.
just so you know, the stock NA fuel pump does not even deliver enough fuel for 190whp.
i wouldnt drive the car without getting a bigger pump in there.

[gtfc115]

ok well i got the car back...turns out my IC piping came apart at one of the joints, and an exhaust gasket blew because the ****ty overpriced tuner shop that i had it at for a while put a PAPER gasket on it. im about ready to take a lawyer back to that place.

but the shop it's at now is going to put the fuel pump in. what kind should i get? are the walbro 255lph on ebay good enough?

also, the car shakes like a mofo because of that passenger side mount resting against the engine...the shop says they dont think it can be grinded down or cut of. wtf?

[lilsteeg]

did you look at the how to on celicatech, it has alot about the mounts

[lagos]

get the walbro if you want cheap or an oem supra pump in you want quiet but expensive.

you can grind that mount down a bit, but it shouldnt shake because of it. make sure that your front and rear mounts are in good shape. those are the ones that normally cause shaking.

[gtfc115]

just got a walbro supra pump 255lph, blah blah...cant wait so i can drive this biotch again.

how hard is the install?

[Defgeph]

The fuel pump install is very easy. Use plenty of PB blaster, and use flare wrenches on the fuel lines. Make sure you solder and heat shrink wrap the electical wires on the pump. DO NOT USE ELECTRICAL TAPE.


You can grind down the passenger side braket to fit it to the engine. In the link below I have pictures of where exactly you need to grind.

Link from the stickies


Some advice, start doing your own work on the car. Don't trust someone that has no idea what they are doing. You may say you also have no idea what you are doing. But, you can come here and ask us for advice before the damage has been done.


Good luck
DEF

[lagos]

The fuel pump install is very easy. Use plenty of PB blaster, and use flare wrenches on the fuel lines. Make sure you solder and heat shrink wrap the electical wires on the pump. DO NOT USE ELECTRICAL TAPE.

lol, yes, learn from my mistake and DO NOT use electrical tape in the tank.

[gtfc115]

thanks def. i'll have to post a pic of where my mount is resting against the engine...it doesnt look like the one in the sticky (which i had seen before).

im starting to think (and i wouldnt doubt it) that they used the wrong engine mounts. i bought GT mounts, but mine does not look like part that needs to be grinded...

[presure2]

make sure theyre useing the GT BRACKET, and not just the mount.
you need to grind the bracket.

[lagos]

thanks def. i'll have to post a pic of where my mount is resting against the engine...it doesnt look like the one in the sticky (which i had seen before).

im starting to think (and i wouldnt doubt it) that they used the wrong engine mounts. i bought GT mounts, but mine does not look like part that needs to be grinded...

its so sad because it seems like you did no research and just trusted a place to figure everything out for you. im not trying to be mean by saying that, its just that i think youll have a lot of issues to work out because of your lack of research before starting this project. this is a good example of how a swap can go bad if you make the wrong decisions or dont have a solid game plan.

[Defgeph]

Very true. Installing that 6th gen GT passenger side bracket with the engine in the bay is gonna be a huge PITA. The mount is wrong, the fuel pump is wrong. What else could be wrong ?

You should look over the whole car, and take it very slow while breaking it in.
My car didnt see the highway until a few days of slow street driving.

I could'nt imagine taking a car out on the highway in the condition they gave it to you.

Good luck man

[gtfc115]

i havent even thought of taking on the highway...i have a stratus for work/school...this will be my weekend car.

i looked at it a bit today...its leaking fluid from the tranny...looks like right from the bell housing.

a section of my exhaust toward the rear has a black buildup...it looks like its coming from a bad weld or something like 2 feet before the muffler. and the muffler itself has turned really black. is this something that goes along with a turbo?

its also really hard to get into 3rd gear without grinding and it pops out occaisionally.

i went to start it up today, and the battery was dead. i know i didnt leave any lights on or anything.
edit: i took it around the block to try and charge up the battery and i stalled at a stop sign...tried to start it back up and the battery was dead. why is my battery dying so fast. its an optima...

the boost guage is installed but doesnt work. it's tapped into a vac line coming from the right side of the manifold.

This post has been edited by gtfc115: Mar 5, 2006 - 9:38 PM

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Its time to get the hands dirty.

From the sounds of things, this shops shortcommings is going to force you to learn rather quickly how to do your own work. Heres a few things I would check out right away, before you drive it again.

First, if you suspect the transmission is leaking then try to clean off the tranny as well as you can with degreaser wipe it dry and let it sit for a day or two, and check it again. This way you'll have some indicator of where the leak is comming from, or if it is leaking. If you have a gear hesitating it could easily be because of the fluid you might have lost. Try filling it back up with Pennzoil Syncromesh once you target and fix the leak.

If the stalling problem is electrical it could be several things. First thing i would do is check the Ignitor, which should be from the 3SGTE motor. If you can start up the car then most likely the battery is OK, but if it hesitates alot then give it a check on the voltimeter.....just because its an Optima doesn't mean it couldnt somehow go weak or dead over the period of the swap.
Check that the harness plugs are fully connected and that the fuses are all in tight and not blown. Several recent swappers have had issues related to something simple in their electrical, like zipstrips and x itchyb x, so starting there would be wise as well.

Your exhaust soot on the tip shouldnt be a huge problem, since the motor probably hasnt been run in a long time and is just burning off some excess buildup and gunk. If you have alot of smoke on startup or see heavy white/blue or black smoke after the car is up to temp, then you might have a problem.

As far as your boost gauge working, look under the FI forum stickies and you'll see this post on 3SGTE maintainence and vacuum info.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=23139


Hope this helps a little. Good luck.


EDIT- this also reminds me, you should be religious about the condition of your oil with a new swap.....change it out after your first few hundred miles, and then again after only another 700-1000 miles. Make sure its clean and isnt burning off or dropping in level excessively.

This post has been edited by Silver94CelicaOwner: Mar 6, 2006 - 3:06 PM

[gtfc115]

Awesome man Thanks!

im not driving it untill i get the fuel pump in. and i'll make sure i take care of everything else i can find.

[gtfc115]

so, like i mentioned before, my battery has been dying overnight and i wanted to find out why. this morning i unplugged the battery terminals, and went to work. when i got home, i tested it with a multimeter, and it was at like 6v...WTF? bad battery? that actually makes me happy that its the battery and not something electrical staying on while the car is off (if thats possible).

[gtfc115]

and it looks like the tranny has stopped leaking...at least the small puddle isnt getting any bigger. i'll get some of that pennzoil syncromesh and hopefully that will fix my shifting problem.

and i read that thread to check my boost guage, and it is T'd into the same line that goes to(from?) my BOV...shouldnt that work? i checked for kinks in the guage line, but i dont think there are any that would cut it off enough to keep it working at all...

[lagos]

there is a caped off vac port on the back of the intake manifold. go to a car parts store and buy a reduced (1/8in to something big). then you can connect the boost gauge to the back of that.

or you can tee off from the map sensor.