what really happened on 9/11? Options

[tovejas]

9/11 theory

i dont know about you but this video got me fooled!!!

[Chanh55]

OooO I'm gonna watch that when I get home.

[celicagurl152003]

good god...that's just creepy.

[Guest_TurbO_*]

my guess is that:

1. the US gov wanted people dead because of population

2. it was a set-up

3. unknown

many of me and my peers have come to conclusions that it was a total set up
you never know because of that stupid government sh*t

[Mr_chOps]

my guess is that:

1. the US gov wanted people dead because of population

2. it was a set-up

3. unknown

many of me and my peers have come to conclusions that it was a total set up
you never know because of that stupid government sh*t

thats f'd up man..why would our own government do such a thing like that?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[snapshotgt]

my guess is that:

1. the US gov wanted people dead because of population

2. it was a set-up

3. unknown

many of me and my peers have come to conclusions that it was a total set up
you never know because of that stupid government sh*t

[TheStreetzKing]

can we jus give this a rest.. so many stories.. its not like it really matters at this time.. nothing you can do about it and it already happend.. deal with it :-(

[dlx742]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

[Jdog1385]

my guess is that:

1. the US gov wanted people dead because of population

2. it was a set-up

3. unknown

many of me and my peers have come to conclusions that it was a total set up
you never know because of that stupid government sh*t

come on man

[tovejas]

iunno but the whole thing on the "plane crashing into the pentagon" is a hoax. dont think a plane crashed into the pentagon, i mean what crash scene looks so clean?? a big plane like that would of made a hell of dent other then that little whole? and wheres the rest of the plane? i work at pratt & whitney canada and there are way more parts in a jet turbine other then that one HP turbine disk!! and most parts are made of high grade alloys of some sort like titainium (almost indistructable), like that single disk they found " theyre more turbine stages then that, in a jet engine". IF THEY WOULD LIE ABOUT THAT THEN THEY COULD LIE preiod!!...........i figure.........they even showed a surveillance clip they got from a nearby hotel.....no plane hit the damn building!!! how do u explain that???........you dont have to believe me but i smell something fishy...

[lagos]

that movie was pretty crazy. far better then michael moors movie

[Supersprynt]

Who watched the entire 80mins? I just watched the entire thing, and I was very skeptical about any hoax or conspiracy theory. But after watching this, wow. I really have no idea what to think. Alot about that day doesnt add up, and now I'm seriously considering thinking this wasnt what we are led to believe.

One thing for sure, nothing was done because of population. Money, and power, thats what causes things like this. I really dont know what to think, I've been scared since Bush took office and it gets worse everyday. He didnt even win the election in the popular vote. Too much has happened to many scandals too many wrong-doings by this administration. This gov't doesnt work for the people ne more, and I think the REAL American way of standing up for yourself and challenging the unfair treatment of citizens is gone.

Honestly from the bottom of my heart I have real fear for this country. Theres a reason the U.S. population is kept in the dark, if anybody knew 1/2 of what we do around the world you'd be disgusted with this country. Its time for change.

[Valo666]

watched the entire thing, very well done. I always thought somethin was fishy with bush and with that day too. There was soo many unanswered questions, so many different stories for things that happened, yet not a single one was the same as another story. The whole thing about seeing the explosions 15 or 20 stories down was somethin i always thought was strange. Right after it happened i probably spent 2 days, like 2 or 3 hours a day downloading videos and just watchin em, and i always noticed thouse. Plus i was also just watchin a documentory the other day on demolition and i was thinkin when i was watchin this demolition documentory that it looked alot like how the WTC came down. I belive it.


EDIT: last comments by Super ^^^, very true. As a Canadian, i feel scared to even live in Canada at times cuz we r so close to the boarder. This girl i work with is from middel of no where Quebec, and moved to Toronto for school. She is very heavy into Prophets and Nastradomus and all of his Prophecy's and such, and she quit school, moved back to Quebec earlier this week because of a prophecy that Nastrodamus had, sayin that Iran and Jarusalem are going to start a war, that will spread many seas and create a bigger war in a far nation that invterveens. IE, they start a war there, US goes over, U.S. gets f*cked. And with the state of things these days, im not gonna b supperised. Main reason why i wanna move to Europe after i graduate.

This post has been edited by Valo666: Mar 8, 2006 - 11:26 PM

[Gatz]

heh didn't watch the whole video but ive seen liek 5 different videos like this one and wasn't really seeing any new information... defiantly a horrible thing to think about but the govt has been so shady... did bush need a reason to finish his dads war?

[bloodrain]

ya man that video is crazy. As far as nostradamus, its been proven that his prophcies are just general ideas and are fake. He wrote a book and said something about the world ending in 1979, obviously it hasnt :-p. But ya, USA sucks.

[playr158]

the pentagon wasn't a hoax my small group leader was there in the parking lot and watched the plane hit

[Jdog1385]

this is really crazy guys. you cant believe this was done by our own government.

[vangSTa_celica]

I love conspiracy theories.

[CLYCK]

yeah i just saw the video my self and well i was living in new york when this happend, i mean i was in my fist day of my8th grde year when this happened. I was alwasy skeptical especially about how uniform the collapses were but this does clear some things while just raising more questions. regardless nice find and spread the word i guess.

[pr_caralho]

uuuhh now i feel sick

[pr_caralho]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

[Chanh55]

Man... I don't know what to believe anymore... no matter who's side you're on... you have to agree that the documentry made very good and valid points.

Edit: Penn and Teller needs to back this guy up...

This post has been edited by Chanh55: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:23 AM

[madmods]

Pentagon video:
click here

This post has been edited by madmods: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:41 AM

[celicaST]

Who watched the entire 80mins? I just watched the entire thing, and I was very skeptical about any hoax or conspiracy theory. But after watching this, wow. I really have no idea what to think. Alot about that day doesnt add up, and now I'm seriously considering thinking this wasnt what we are led to believe.

One thing for sure, nothing was done because of population. Money, and power, thats what causes things like this. I really dont know what to think, I've been scared since Bush took office and it gets worse everyday. He didnt even win the election in the popular vote. Too much has happened to many scandals too many wrong-doings by this administration. This gov't doesnt work for the people ne more, and I think the REAL American way of standing up for yourself and challenging the unfair treatment of citizens is gone.

Honestly from the bottom of my heart I have real fear for this country. Theres a reason the U.S. population is kept in the dark, if anybody knew 1/2 of what we do around the world you'd be disgusted with this country. Its time for change.

yep watched all of it. very interesting video but im not fully convinced. one thing ive learned is you can pick and choose evidence to support any viewpoint. obviously hes biased, and the key to a persuasive argument is to address the oppostion which he never did. but that said, it was very well put together (although he used flawed logic at times) and definitly got me thinking. my opinion, never form conclusions without researching yourself.

this is really crazy guys. you cant believe this was done by our own government.

id sure hate to think so, but it would be naive to discredit the possibility just because its a terrible thought. many actions and functions of the government are completely oblivious to the public, and in most cases that can be argued to be a good thing. im in a political philosophy class now and just finished reading thucydides (very good read and enlightening to current events for those interested). nations act in response to fear and self-interest invariably. the video failed to provide a convincing motive for me. i dont think the govnt would commit that to make i few individuals rich. i would however more likely believe it was done to protect us in the future by giving us a reason to go into the middle east (oil supply security is a factor).

again, i still dont believe it, and id probably vote for bush again if i could. realize this video and others like it are created by people who despise bush and have their own motives. i mean, there are some crazy people out there calling bush the antichrist (google bush antichrist and you will fiind some funny stuff ).

This post has been edited by celicaST: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:43 AM

[celicaST]

Man... I don't know what to believe anymore... no matter who's side you're on... you have to agree that the documentry made very good and valid points.

very true, definitly interesting/plausible enough that it kept me watching through the whole thing.

You will be hooked.

thats how all conspiracy theories survive, people want to believe in something mysterious. its just human nature as it entertains the mind from the "boredom" of reality. whether its ufos, the bermuda triangle, armageddon prophecies, bigfoot, the "evil" government, you name it and people will convince themselves its true without analyzing facts.

This post has been edited by celicaST: Mar 9, 2006 - 1:42 AM

[Jdog1385]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

dont want to start an argument, but why is he ignorant. you're just as ignorant for saying that.

[jgreening]

I enjoyed the video. It was a well made fictional piece. Google Pentagon and 757. These conspiracy theories are everywhere and have been debunked time and again.

My favorite part was the thing about replicating voices in real time. That was SWEEEEET.

The only part I believe is that some people knew about it and made a fortune in pre-attack trading. Those people were connected to the terrorists though.

[FAQdaWorld]

If you truly believe this wad of garbage then... Well i just dont know what to say to you even?

[lagos]

enjoyed the video. It was a well made fictional piece. Google Pentagon and 757. These conspiracy theories are everywhere and have been debunked time and again.

yeah i agree that everyone wants a conspiracy these days. ... but i always thought it was odd that we didnt see any parts of the planes that hit the pentigon or pieces of flight 93

My favorite part was the thing about replicating voices in real time. That was SWEEEEET.

yeah that part was kind of far fetched. in order for something like that to work, you would have to sample the persons voice well ahead of time so that the machnice can learn the speech patterns. IF that technology even exists.

[playr158]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

dont want to start an argument, but why is he ignorant. you're just as ignorant for saying that.

i'm with jdog on this one why is he ignorant? a good chunk of these are for anti-bush reasons...
your canadian what does our government have to do with you?
your ingnorant for talking before you speak....

but the pentagon is literally down the street from me...slipgun and i are the 2 closest members to it on this site, i drove by it and i've personally seen wat happened...conspiracy theory is just bs

[Rayme]

Theres sooooooooo many things fishy about it...but I'll just say one thing...

World trade center 7 did not collapse because of fire, sky scrapers don't collapse because of fire.

hell, towers don't collapse from planes either!

[bloodrain]

I believe it was an attack by aliens. They want Earth and there is nothing we can do to stop it. GG. Oh and that speach duplication thing does exist. There are a few programs made by ordinary programmers that have made similar things. I got it off Kazaa before it went under (and i caught virus's) it used to ask you a few words and you had to speak to it and then it would ask for a sentence. And after that it would replicate your voice. It wasnt the greatest at doing it but it was pretty entertaining, anywho my main point is if these average programmers can do it, I would think that the gov't would surely have something capable of doing it. WE'RE LIVING THE REAL MISSION IMPOSSIBLE!!!

This post has been edited by bloodrain: Mar 9, 2006 - 11:33 AM

[celi_gt_racer]

very well made video.... i have it on dvd. You can't deny some of the pictures as evidence of NO 757 crash into the pentagon... and i would believe an A-3 or tomahawk missle would be more likely - plus - if it was a 757 just as described by the government... there would be no reason to withold all of the tapes taken from security cameras who could have possibly caught the impact on tape. The pentagon crash is more fishy in my opinion - but it's also very weird that some of the strongest towers in the world could have collapsed because of fire..... lol. Believe what you want.... just dont be told what to believe and satisfy for that (that would be true ignorance)

[Jdog1385]

Theres sooooooooo many things fishy about it...but I'll just say one thing...

World trade center 7 did not collapse because of fire, sky scrapers don't collapse because of fire.

hell, towers don't collapse from planes either!

if you know anything about steel construction then you know metal has a yield point. When this yield point is exceeded, catastrophic failure is evident. The Metal beams will bend, not break, but this will cause serious structural damage.

Structural failure also came from the two prior collapses of World Trade Center Tower 1 and Tower 2 falling on Tower 7. This obviously made the structure weak and vulnerable to a devastating fire.

This post has been edited by Jdog1385: Mar 9, 2006 - 12:51 PM

[Drocay]

look bro my dad saw the whole thing too, he told me he didn't see a Commercial Plane, it just wasnt big enough, either way people got hurt and killed and may they not be forgotten.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

I highly reccommend reading 9/11 Commission Report

and ive always wondered about that plane that crashed in the fields - wtf!

i dont know what happened that day for sure but a few select do! I hope they wake up everyday feeling like crap - whether it was people of our own government or terrorists over in the middle east

[Rayme]

Theres sooooooooo many things fishy about it...but I'll just say one thing...

World trade center 7 did not collapse because of fire, sky scrapers don't collapse because of fire.

hell, towers don't collapse from planes either!

if you know anything about steel construction then you know metal has a yield point. When this yield point is exceeded, catastrophic failure is evident. The Metal beams will bend, not break, but this will cause serious structural damage.

Structural failure also came from the two prior collapses of World Trade Center Tower 1 and Tower 2 falling on Tower 7. This obviously made the structure weak and vulnerable to a devastating fire.

WTC7 is kinda far from the towers to get debris from towers that ironicaly fell down destruction style on their own. If the theory of weaken metal would hold on well the towers would have leaned on the side it weakened first, it wouldnt have collapsed on its vertical axis. Beside the metal beams are coated wire isolation and jet fuel (that mostly burned upon impact) can't burn nearly enough to make it that hot. Even the engineering that made the towers said it was made to withstand a plane hit.
Buildings are made to withstand earthquakes man, you think a couple debris, if any and a fire can make a biulding completely collapse on its own? And mimic a perfect destruction style collapse? If yes it seems we had the premiers of these events on that day. To it looks way too wierd to beleive whatever CNN tells us. I'm not denying planes hit these building on that day, people died, and god bless them(if it applies), I'm just saying theres something wayy more to it than that...if people wants to make their own opinion than just watch TV and beleive, let it be...but some take it too far, tries too much I agree.

But we'll never know. No hating

[carb0n_f1b3r]

There isn't anything wrong with trying to seperating that which is truth from the contrived. I know this to be truth in itself because truth withstands scrutiny. Wheat from chaff fiction from reality it is only a process dividing good from evil. The problem derives primarily from the assumption of truth in the prescents of something false or vice-versa. This is a presentation of an argument that will upset some and convince others of the complexity that lies at the heart of the situation that has effected millions of ppl around the world. The purpose of this is not to convince you either way because that is not important. The horrindous implecations of either argument is hard to conceive. Paranoria is what i felt at first, from both sides, but relief came from another source the truth. Now the question that comes to my mind is where to take it from here.. I have my truth but what application can we have on a macro scale? A butterfly effect? Do good deeds have the omnipotence to reach all the world? Faith.. I started off with a completely different message here but im led to the same conclutions every time

[Guest_TurbO_*]

damn...the US government doesn't give a f*ck about us, the people...I'm for real...if they did, everything would be perfect

[pr_caralho]

it sounds like Micheal Moore Junior decided to try his hand at making movies too.

that entire movie was made to bash conservatives and George W

wow your ignorant

dont want to start an argument, but why is he ignorant. you're just as ignorant for saying that.

i'm with jdog on this one why is he ignorant? a good chunk of these are for anti-bush reasons...
your canadian what does our government have to do with you?
your ingnorant for talking before you speak....

but the pentagon is literally down the street from me...slipgun and i are the 2 closest members to it on this site, i drove by it and i've personally seen wat happened...conspiracy theory is just bs

hes ignorant because, there are so many things that are wrong with what happened in 911, how does a building collapse from jet feul fires? and how does a second building collapse from debris falling on it? and etc, none of this never made sense, and alot of ppl know that. i say hes ignorant because he doesnt use common sense/logic, i may live in canada but i would care if 2500+ people were killed in an accident like this, besides i have family in new york, and one of them works for elevator maintanance, he couldve been threr so yeah....

[desertwolf300]

I happen to work for the government, U.S. Air Force, and there is a lot of confusion among the civilians on what happened and for what reason. A lot of that is classified so only a select few know for sure, but one thing is certain, we can't sit back and hate our own government when we don't know all the facts. This story can be twisted into whatever the "teller" wants you to believe, but there's nothing we can do to change the past. All we can do is work toward a safer future. I'll be deploying to Baghdad, Iraq in May in support of these efforts and hope that I can help make sure things stay as safe as possible.

To those of you who don't like the government/U.S., you're free to live somewhere else. People literally kill to come live here in hopes of a better life and too many residents of this country talk about how bad they have it. You probably wouldn't be doing better anywhere else. You're idea of how bad this country is would change real fast if you were deployed to a third world country and saw how they lived.

This is a very controversial topic nonetheless.

[CLYCK]

ok well i might not like what my government does all the time but i still enjoy living here, and my brother just came back from iraq, mos of my family is in the marine corp.