YES 3sgte with a 5s stock tranny., some thing is broken. woot. Options

[x_itchy_b_x]

well driving home on the mass pike i just cruising at 70mph in 5th gear at 3.5k rpm. when all of a sudden my RPM raises without me even touching the gas and now i down shift like wtf. and yeah every gear my car doesnt move. the clutch doesnt sound like it engageing at all. woo to pulling the motor again to find the problem.
first ill check thing like the slave cylinder ect. but im so confused cause i dont hear any moving parts when i shif an let the clutch out. i cant feel anyhting in the pedal at all. /rant ps this sucks.

im hoping my clutch setup is ok and that my flywheel bolt havent sheared off or worse.

[Defgeph]

Check for fluid. Check the slave cylinder is working properly

[x_itchy_b_x]

fluid is full 2nd thing i checked for. yeah i plan on checking the slave tommorow.

[lagos]

well ... its a clutch issue for sure. nothing wrong with your trans.

did u changed the clutch when you swaped? what did u put in there? did you brake it in when u installed it?

[x_itchy_b_x]

id agree with you but no bad sounds come from the tranny area at all. its a spec clutch rated for 420ft/lbs torque. broken in properly over 500 miles. its weird i dont hear any grinding or metal ratteling. confused. cause i mean if a clut breaks i assume you feel and hear it when it does. this is quiet as ever.

[lagos]

i know your problem !

and you owe me a million dollars if it turns out that i nailed it


check your axels. one of them broke or fell out.

[brianforster]

im not exactly an expert like some of these guys but what about your shifter cables?

edit if his axles fell out wouldnt he be dripping heavy duty transmission oil everywhere?

This post has been edited by brianforster: May 7, 2006 - 11:58 PM

[x_itchy_b_x]

no clue but i know no fluid is leeking my cv might be busted also. shifte cables was the first thing i checked while on the side of the highway

[lagos]

edit if his axles fell out wouldnt he be dripping heavy duty transmission oil everywhere?

yes thats if it fell out. the cv could have gone too, and the axels would still be in there.


i had the same thing happend to me. thought it was the clutch too and it was the axel.

[bigal004321]

Wouldnt it be more likely that the axle would break under heavy strain, like at the track. I mean he was just driving a constant speed, seems a little hard for an axle just to break like that, and if it does then i am scared for my axles after this swap.

Bigal

[x_itchy_b_x]

well today i put the car up on jack stands and started the car and both wheels spin but very slow and rpm doesn't influence speed. also with both tires off the ground not running if you spin one tire the other spins the oposite direction like it should but you can easily stop the rotation on the other wheel just by holding it. basicly its not an axel cause we checked them we think somthing in the clutch assembly did break. wether it be the disc of where the disc connects to the tranny splines. so i have to pull the tranny out again... so not happy about this. oh well the celica will be off the road for a while and im gunna turn it into more of a show(engine bay)/track car than a daily but come next year when everything is done i will be a show winner i hope. while the motor/tranny is out im gunna clock the turbo, get 3'in intercooler pipe, new FMIC and powder coat/ ceramic coat abunch of under the hood parts. also if i find a cheap 3sge tranny id buy it in a heartbeat.

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: May 8, 2006 - 2:25 PM

[lagos]

3'in intercooler pipe

you mean, downpipe,right?

also if i find a cheap 3sge tranny id buy it in a heartbeat.

why? you have a problem with your clutch, not your tranny.


im really surprised to hear that your axels are ok. did you get under the car and really inspect them well, or just go by the fact that the wheels were spining?

[x_itchy_b_x]

well my tranny i do have slight problems with. cruising speeds. tops speed. the syncros are going out. so eh. i inspected them pretty well. once i make some room in the garage ill pull them out. but we can hear a grinding noise coming from the clutch housing so thats what we really expect it to be. and its not the normal spec clutch grind/tick people normally hear.

no 3" intercooling pipe, i remeber reading a post on mr2oc that they gained like 12 hp.
its not much but i plan on going to a larger turbo in the future so i might aswell build up everything i can now so im 100% ready to make more power later. i plan on having the car off the road till next year so ill have plenty of time to play with everything.

[presure2]

john, dont do the 3" piping.
with our length, and your powerlevels, all your gonna do is add a ton of lag.

[burneeed]

s54 not a good tranny for the 3sgte. Lots of people will vouch for that including myself. After I blew up my 3rd tranny I Went e153.

[presure2]

s54 not a good tranny for the 3sgte. Lots of people will vouch for that including myself. After I blew up my 3rd tranny I Went e153.

guy, we've all said it to you here before.
you blowing up 3 trannys is more than likely some other issue, or your driving thats causing it.

i beat the hell outta my 175+k old, stock tranny with 230+whp and 270+ftlbs, with no issues, as well as several other members who daily drive theyre swaped cars with no issues.

[lagos]

s54 not a good tranny for the 3sgte. Lots of people will vouch for that including myself. After I blew up my 3rd tranny I Went e153.

guy, we've all said it to you here before.
you blowing up 3 trannys is more than likely some other issue, or your driving thats causing it.

i beat the hell outta my 175+k old, stock tranny with 230+whp and 270+ftlbs, with no issues, as well as several other members who daily drive theyre swaped cars with no issues.

i agree 110%

there is no way that with your mods (most stock with, with a topmount ic) that the tranny faild, 3 times in 2 years. there is some other problem going on with your setup or your driving style.

[bufferdan]

Why pull the engine to replace the clutch or tranny? JEhh... You can drop the tranny and figure out whats wrong, fix it, put it back together in a day.

[lagos]

john, dont do the 3" piping.
with our length, and your powerlevels, all your gonna do is add a ton of lag.

yeah. 3in IC piping might be an upgrade on an mr2 with a HUGE turbo, but would be a horrible idea for a car with a fmic. the lag would make the car not fun to drive at all. i would do 2.25-2.50 max. you cant apply everything the mr2 guys do, to our cars.

[Supersprynt]

With reading the MR2 boards, the S54 tranny thats on n/a MR2s is the same as the 3sge tranny. I think thats why it can take a beating because its over-rated for the 5sfe engine. Thats my hypothesis.

[presure2]

With reading the MR2 boards, the S54 tranny thats on n/a MR2s is the same as the 3sge tranny. I think thats why it can take a beating because its over-rated for the 5sfe engine. Thats my hypothesis.

well, at the very minimum, i know for a FACT the axels are diffrent. ive seen jeffs compared to normal gt axles.

[Supersprynt]

Out of curiousity, did Jeff have to modify his axles at all? Or did they fit in perfectly?

[presure2]

he just rebuilt them.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

With reading the MR2 boards, the S54 tranny thats on n/a MR2s is the same as the 3sge tranny. I think thats why it can take a beating because its over-rated for the 5sfe engine. Thats my hypothesis.

is this a fact? i always thought that the s54 in all 5sfe were the same. but if the n/a mr2 tranny are the same as the 3sge tranny then this could be a better alternative than the s54 that came in the n/a celicas. our GT axles should fit in these trannies with no problem right?

bboy

[Supersprynt]

Originally Posted by MISTER2
A241E = 5S-FE, 3S-GE Automatic transmission
S54 - 5S-FE, 3S-GE Manual Trans
E153 = 3S-GTE Manual transmission
E50F = Alltrac Transmission

The N/A MR2 and Celica have the same engine, hence same tranny. The 3sge seems to use the same transmission also, making me to believe the reason that alot of people are using S54's on 3sgte's and doing well with them is because they are in actuality, using a transmission originally designed for the 3sge, a more powerful engine which came before the 5sfe.

Now this my hypothesis, I'm basically thinking out-loud so critique is welcome. The difference in axles could be done for other reasons such as interchangability with other cars (Corolla/Prism,Camry?). Again, hypothesis.

This is a good read if any of you with 3s swaps or interested in knowing more about the 3s swap and general 3s/MR2 information:

MR2 MKII FAQ

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 9, 2006 - 3:30 PM

[brianforster]

the s54 offered with the 3sge, for mr2s and the s54 offered to us in have the same gear ratios, so thats another clue to whether or not they are the same.

i think supersprynt is right

[Defgeph]

My tranny came from a celica or curren, it's a FWD tranny. Not an MR2 tranny. My axles bolted right up(after a small rebuild).

[brianforster]

so then you have an s54 which is the same thing as a GT tranny?

[presure2]

heres a screenshot from my EPC.
the 3sge tranny is in fact coded as "S-54"
however, the trannys carry diffrent part #s, as well as the axels.
30300-2B570 3SGE tranny
30300-2B580 5SFE tranny
43410-20730 3SGE non-ABS axle
43410-20670 5SFE non-ABS axle

[brianforster]

dude, is that a program that gets you part numbers for toyota parts? if so, where do you get it :drool:

[presure2]

yea it is, it is the toyota distributed, electronic parts catolog. i downloaded it years ago, the link has since gone dead.

[lagos]

finally we get some soild info on what tranny that is.

[x_itchy_b_x]

wait so im confused. if i want longer gears and a higher top speed what tranny do i want?

[lagos]

wait so im confused. if i want longer gears and a higher top speed what tranny do i want?

the mr2 turbo one

[x_itchy_b_x]

wasnt there a 6speed tranny that people wanted to get there hands on? the solara tranny or somthing. maybe im wrong but. help me out.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

wasnt there a 6speed tranny that people wanted to get there hands on? the solara tranny or somthing. maybe im wrong but. help me out.

that tranny is dual synchros but not 6 speed i think...also i read that some of the mr2 turbo e153's also came with dual synchros but i dunno the year

edit: also from what ive read the camry v6/solara e153s have longer gearing than the mr2 turbo e153

bboy

This post has been edited by BBoYRuGGeD: May 9, 2006 - 7:52 PM

[lagos]

also.... i know some guys with the solara tranny. they really didnt like the longer gearing . it makes the car a bit slower then the gearing in the s54.

[Defgeph]

so then you have an s54 which is the same thing as a GT tranny?

As we have just found out thanks to Manny.
I have a JDM S54, which has a few differences. From my personal experience, Axle seals are different, axles, input shaft, and whatever else might be going on inside. Also, the fact that when I launch the car the first tire to spin is the passenger side. For the USDM S54 its the drivers side(sitting in the car). Thats the one thing that I find odd.

My theory Tranny is designed with the driver on the oposite side of the car. So they make the opposite axle the initial drive axle. Then the short axles immediatley follows giving me the ability to leave two strips on the ground.But, I do not have L.S.D. Figure that one out


BTW: John, did you fix your tranny yet ?

[Aaagogo]

who rebuilt ur axle?

My tranny came from a celica or curren, it's a FWD tranny. Not an MR2 tranny. My axles bolted right up(after a small rebuild).

[Defgeph]

who rebuilt ur axle?

My tranny came from a celica or curren, it's a FWD tranny. Not an MR2 tranny. My axles bolted right up(after a small rebuild).

Dustin (batman722) & myself

[Supersprynt]

Jeff - I knew yours didnt come outta an MR2, just that it was an S54, sorry about that confusion.

Manny - I am thinking the part # difference would be due to one tranny being configured for RWD and the other FWD?

[BBoYRuGGeD]

so the s54 that came with the 5sfe and the 3sge is the same...this gives me a lil' confidence to beat on my s54 just a lil' bit more

bboy

[brianforster]

i wonder what the part number is for the 3sge celica tranny, maybe that would help us

[Batman722]

OK I have some info from looking at the EPC

st202s came with either a e56 and an s54...the e56 was only until 96 and the s54 was available all years.

the axles were different on ST202s (one with SuperStrut and one without)

also, the LSD was available from 96+ on the st202s

[Supersprynt]

The E56 could be an auto tranny?

LSDs on what transmission? That would be a great transmission to use! Problem here is availability. No S54 in the states had LSD.

Part #s for the axles? I think that would be an great thing to get to upgrade the S54 for the swaps.

[Batman722]

i wonder what the part number is for the 3sge celica tranny, maybe that would help us

st202 - 3sge
30300-2b560 until 96
30300-2b570 all years
30300-2b670 96+ LSD

US st204 - 5sfe
30300-2b580

help you much BrianForster ?

[brianforster]

for those interested i am downloading the toyota electronic parts catalog at the moment, im going to look into creating a bittorrent to distribute it amongst the community.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

for those interested i am downloading the toyota electronic parts catalog at the moment, im going to look into creating a bittorrent to distribute it amongst the community.

please do

bboy

[brianforster]

its 500 megs, and i think i need access to a tracker and webserver, so i am going to try to find a free one around the net.

[Defgeph]

Jeff - I knew yours didnt come outta an MR2, just that it was an S54, sorry about that confusion.

Manny - I am thinking the part # difference would be due to one tranny being configured for RWD and the other FWD?

I was just stating for everyone else reading, no problem Erik.
Manny posted the part numbers for a USDM s54 tranny and a JDM s54 Both tranny's are from front wheel drives celicas that he listed.

so the s54 that came with the 5sfe and the 3sge is the same...this gives me a lil' confidence to beat on my s54 just a lil' bit more
bboy

There are a few differences between the tranny's. Calling them the same would be unfair at this point. Manny wanted to explode the insides of the two trannys on the EPC to see the true differences. Wait until its confirmed.
You shouldnt have to worry about your tranny. There are plenty of people running the S54 hard.

I listed a few differences on the exterior of the tranny on page 2, I'd like to see what the interior looks like on each.

[Batman722]

There are a few differences between the tranny's. Calling them the same would be unfair at this point. Manny wanted to explode the insides of the two trannys on the EPC to see the true differences. Wait until its confirmed.
You shouldnt have to worry about your tranny. There are plenty of people running the S54 hard.

I listed a few differences on the exterior of the tranny on page 2, I'd like to see what the interior looks like on each.

I exploded both of the trannys...54 and the 56
the 54 looks much more complex...hard to explain.

[Supersprynt]

Good stuff guys!

[brianforster]

we are talking about the interior differences of the s54 mated to the 3sge in an mr2, and the s54 mated to the 5sfe in teh celica

[Batman722]

OK here it is...pics.

top left you will see the prod date, model and under that is the tranny code

[brianforster]

batman, can you check the part numbers of the s54 offered in 6th gen with the 3sge (ss-III)?

[Supersprynt]

If we knew Jeff's part #s we could probably find out which tranny its from.

[Batman722]

If we knew Jeff's part #s we could probably find out which tranny its from.

if I had Jeff's tranny part #, I could find out much info on it....

[brianforster]

from mannys post earlier in the thread, jeffs part number is :

30300-2B570

[lagos]

the 3sge was also sold in the 4th gen celica. not saying thats what jeff has, just that it might be something to look into, also.


if the insides of the jdm s54 were any different, wouldnt they change the model number of the trans?

[brianforster]

heres a screenshot from my EPC.
the 3sge tranny is in fact coded as "S-54"
however, the trannys carry diffrent part #s, as well as the axels.
30300-2B570 3SGE tranny
30300-2B580 5SFE tranny
43410-20730 3SGE non-ABS axle
43410-20670 5SFE non-ABS axle

the 3sge was also sold in the 4th gen celica. not saying thats what jeff has, just that it might be something to look into, also.


if the insides of the jdm s54 were any different, wouldnt they change the model number of the trans?

well the jdm and usdm 3sgtes are still 3sgtes

heres what i want to compare:
30300-2B570 - 3sge s54 found in mr2
30300-2B580 - 5sfe s54 found in celica
XXXXX-XXXXX - 3sge s54 found in celica

i have the same theory as erik that the part number for the s54 found in the mr2 is because it is for rwd.

id like to compare the s54 mated with the 3sge found in celicas to see if that part number changes back to 2B580

[Supersprynt]

from mannys post earlier in the thread, jeffs part number is :

30300-2B570

Thats tranny, i meant axles.

[lagos]

lets not forget that the "s54" IS a part number, in a way.

i think all the s54s are the same, but get different part numbers because they might have different brackets on them for different shifter cables, clutch lines.etc...

[brianforster]

this is an excellent topic!

[Batman722]

heres what i want to compare:
30300-2B570 - 3sge s54 found in mr2
30300-2B580 - 5sfe s54 found in celica
XXXXX-XXXXX - 3sge s54 found in celica

I do not understand

the part #s listed are for transmissions found in celicas, not MR2s.

30300-2B570 > was in 94-99 JDM celicas
30300-2B580 > was in 94-99 USDM celicas

do you want the MR2 tranny part #s too ? I assure you, they are different

[brianforster]

ok then can you post part numbers for the 5sfe s54 mr2 tranny and the 3sge s54 mr2 tranny

[Defgeph]

I wish I had some numbers on those axles.

We should first compair

USDM S54 & JDM S54 for celicas


Then once we have done that. Then compair

USDM S54 & JDM S54 for the MR2

It will keep the confusion down.

[burneeed]

theres so much work involved in converting the 93 + E153 lsd tranny. Is the solara v6 e153 lsd ? I dont rememeber. It would be so much easier starting off with that being that its god all the shifter brackets + actuator set up for fwd not like a mr2 trans where the brackets are all setup differently. This tranny compared to my other one has much taller gears. Might make it a shy bit slower. My other 3 trannys wanted me to shift all the time. I feel like I can hold it in gear alot better with this tranny. It feels like I have better top end too. It just feels like this is the right trannsmission for out cars. Ill post some pics of the tranny tommorow.

[Batman722]

we need to remember that Jeff's tranny is not from a Celica...it's from a Curren ( I think a 3rd gen 3sge Curren...)

[Defgeph]

we need to remember that Jeff's tranny is not from a Celica...it's from a Curren ( I think a 3rd gen 3sge Curren...)

You are correct Dustin. You should look to see if its the same part number for the curren

[Supersprynt]

Are you sure about that or speculating?

I would assume that the Celica & Curren trannies would be identical, really no reason for a difference.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 10, 2006 - 12:01 AM

[Batman722]

I wish I could...I do not have Curren part #s

I bet asianadvanced does though...

[brianforster]

guys, i read this on the FAQ for the EPC from the place i downloaded it

=============================================
=============================================
WHAT ABOUT PART NUMBERS?
=============================================
=============================================

Now, there are different data CDs that go with the EPC depending upon which
country you live in Europe, Japan, etc. The version that I have is for Europe.
However, thanks to Toyota's part numbering system you can use PNC (not sure
what it stands for) which is the first 6 or 7 digits of the part number to
identify which part you need. The rest of the number is refered to as a
"locator number" and determines which country, color, trim package, year, etc.
that you have. All of the PNC numbers that I have checked so far, match up
with the microfiche that I have for my car (91T). If you are concerned about
whether a given part number matches, send me the number and I'll double check
it with my microfiche or local dealership.

this could explain why the numbers are different for the second half of the part numbers...

[Defgeph]

I would think that as well. The trannys would be the same for the JDM celica & curren.

Another theory is that I have L.S.D. I'm a little doubtful on that. But then again, I have never had any experience with an L.S.D. tranny.

One thing is for sure, I have a very strange tranny.

[brianforster]

not sure how long this will last but heres where i got the EPC
http://www.yankeetoys.org/Docs.htm

i just googled for it, im sure the links will be taken down after 100 people from this site download it lol, but my DL is done so im not worried

[playr158]

http://www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=174139

maybe that will help with your lsd tranny ID...but i doubt a 3sge tranny has it...

[Supersprynt]

As far as I know there was no LSD for the S54 tranny. But with Dustin finding a part # for one, its kinda odd. Alot of ppl get confused when they look inside the diff and see a bar and then go on MR2oc and see "if you have a bar you have LSD. Well that only applies to E153's as ALL S54s have that bar.

I dont know, but my guess would be that you have an S54. I think any more details as to what car it came from and what year will be pretty hard to come by.

This was a fun game tho

[playr158]

wouldn't there be a number on jeff's tranny though, erik?

[Batman722]

not sure how long this will last but heres where i got the EPC
http://www.yankeetoys.org/Docs.htm

i just googled for it, im sure the links will be taken down after 100 people from this site download it lol, but my DL is done so im not worried

that EPC might only go up to 1995

what we need is pictures of Jeff's tranny, pictures of s54s with LSD & without LSD, and more infomation on 1995 Currens. Having the frame # of the Curren it came out of would give many answers, probably all of them.

[brianforster]

not sure how long this will last but heres where i got the EPC
http://www.yankeetoys.org/Docs.htm

i just googled for it, im sure the links will be taken down after 100 people from this site download it lol, but my DL is done so im not worried

that EPC might only go up to 1995

what we need is pictures of Jeff's tranny, pictures of s54s with LSD & without LSD, and more infomation on 1995 Currens. Having the frame # of the Curren it came out of would give many answers, probably all of them.

i cant even get it to work

[lagos]

I would think that as well. The trannys would be the same for the JDM celica & curren.

Another theory is that I have L.S.D. I'm a little doubtful on that. But then again, I have never had any experience with an L.S.D. tranny.

One thing is for sure, I have a very strange tranny.

if you read a lot of posts on mr2oc about mr2 owners trying to figure out if they have lsd or not, youll notice a lot of people tell you that just because you have 2 burnout markts, dosnt mean you have lsd.

i know you said that when manny tires to do a burn out, he dosnt leave the same markings, but you have to remember that he still has a 5sfe motor. it makes different power and torque. his car also has a lot less weight then a 3sgte swaped celica. not to mention thats its two different drivers doing the burnout. so you really cant compare the two cars.

also, your car might have less/more torque steer because of the fact that you dont have power steering.

all signs point to it being a normal s54 tranny. the axels might be ticker, but that dosnt mean much because its the tranny you are comparing, and not the axels. they are still the same spline count and length.


the cool thing about all this, is that now we know why the s54 holds up well for us swapers. it was a tranny that was built to handle at least the power of a 3sge motor.


another thing to remember is that the s54 is really an updated version of the s53. if they did beef it up, or change anything about the 3sge trans, they would have renamed it to s55 like they did when they upgraded the 5th gen s53 to the s54.

[Supersprynt]

wouldn't there be a number on jeff's tranny though, erik?

Ive looked on my tranny for a part # and found nothing. I dont think they put the number on the bellhousing. Why would it be that easy

that EPC might only go up to 1995

what we need is pictures of Jeff's tranny, pictures of s54s with LSD & without LSD, and more infomation on 1995 Currens. Having the frame # of the Curren it came out of would give many answers, probably all of them.

No S54 has LSD in the states so that'd makes it difficult.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 10, 2006 - 7:46 AM

[Defgeph]

Explain why my passenger side tire breaks loose first. I'll give you a prize.

You have to think just because they named the two trannys S54 doesnt mean they are exactly the same.

Think of for example the USDM 3sgte and the JDM 3sgte. Name all the differences on thsoe two engines.

We NEED exploded views of each of the trannys, so we can see whats different. Calling them the same is the easy way out.

[Supersprynt]

We're deviating from my original hypothesis. The S54 transmission came on 3sge's and is the reason GT tranny's here in the states are holding up on the 3sgtes.

I dont know why ur passenger side breaks loose first, but if they changed the drive-axle this is the first I'd ever hear of it and would think its kinda pointless to do such a thing.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: May 10, 2006 - 11:27 AM

[brianforster]

i dont think the insides of the 3sgtes are different, i thought it was the ecu and some other slight things

[Supersprynt]

This is a weird coincidence. This was just posted in the Engine section:

Hi.

Im wondering whats difference between E56 and S54 tranny ?
I have ST202(from germany) -94 celica with super-strut suspension and it have E56 tanny. I heard that "regural" mcpherson suspension could have that S54 type tanny.

[playr158]

This is a weird coincidence. This was just posted in the Engine section:

Hi.

Im wondering whats difference between E56 and S54 tranny ?
I have ST202(from germany) -94 celica with super-strut suspension and it have E56 tanny. I heard that "regural" mcpherson suspension could have that S54 type tanny.

[scothaniel]

The Tranny I sold Dustin (and is now owned by defgeph). Came from a 1996 Toyota Curren. RHD, 3rd gen 3SGE and non-lsd. I checked the part numbers from my copy of the 97 EPC, and the hubs, brakes, suspension and underbody were the same as the 6th gen Celica - therefore, just consider it a Celica.

When comparing the trans with the US version, the only real difrference I fould was with the final drive. Less Torque, more top end:

snip----
From http://www.megaboost.co.uk/mr2/frames/techinfopage.htm

USDM - 4.176 final gear ratio
JDM - 3.944 final gear ratio

Also check out the max speed per gear:

_______ US _________________________________ JDM____________
5th gear (Rev Limiter): 126mph_______ 5th gear (6500 RPM): 142mph
4th gear (6300 RPM): 100.5 __________ 4th gear (7000 RPM): 122mph
3rd gear (6300 RPM): 78.1 ___________ 3rd gear (7000 RPM): 98mph
2nd gear (6300 RPM): 52.7 ___________ 2nd gear (7000 RPM): 67mph
1st gear (6300 RPM): 31.4 ___________ 1st gear (7000 RPM): 40mph

----snip

IIRC, the LSD was in the E56 tranny, which was more similar to the E153 then the S54.

Perhaps the passenger side is breaking loose first for other reasons - alignment or tire tire pressure for instance.

[scothaniel]

Also, if anyone wants the ISO's for the JDM 97 EPC, I can put them up on my works sftp site later. You'll need the actual EPC program to run them, these are only the data disks.

[lagos]

an easy way to verify the gear ratio would be to have jeff take a pic of his MPH at 3-4k. then have somone else with a s54 do the same.


the max speed per gear, listed aboive, is compared at different RPM's...by the way.

This post has been edited by lagos: May 10, 2006 - 12:10 PM

[Supersprynt]

Good stuff Scothaniel.

So it looks that the E56 is very simliar to the S54, but has LSD (among some other differences.

[brianforster]

will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?

[lagos]

will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?

it might.... but good luck finding one!

[brianforster]

in that other thread in the n/a forum, someone has e56 with SS setup, so it might not be possible, or atleast without a suspension swap

[Belhan]

in that other thread in the n/a forum, someone has e56 with SS setup, so it might not be possible, or atleast without a suspension swap

Oh well, nice to c this thread. I have -94 ST202(129kw 3SGE euroversion) with super strut setup. My tranny is E56(manual) and its with LSD ?. Right now some bearings inside box are going to dead and i need new ones. Any idea if S54 fits straight to my car ? If not i have to repair old one and it costs more than some used S54(repairing its like 1200$ and used tranny costs 600$). Seems that these are VERY rare in finland...



This post has been edited by Belhan: May 10, 2006 - 12:49 PM

[scothaniel]

will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?

Since its an E-series trans, it'll have most of the same issues as the E153. I've seen a pic of one once, and it looked just like the E153 on the outside. I'd almost bet that its an E153 with a different gear set.

Quick google search - a version of the E56 was used in the 1988 AWD Camry and Rav4. Need to do some research on that.

The axels for the E56 trans may be the perfect solution for the E153 conversion though, since they are the correct length for the celica's and made for an E series trans. I'd check the differential pinion part numbers, but its kinda pointless since the axels are probably not available in the US.

Any idea if S54 fits straight to my car ?

If I'm right, and the E56 is like the E153, then you would also need to replace 3 of the engine mounts to fit the S54. The E153 may be a smoother swap then the S54 for you.

[scothaniel]

in that other thread in the n/a forum, someone has e56 with SS setup, so it might not be possible, or atleast without a suspension swap

Superstruts and McPherson setups are interchangable. I've had both setups on my car without changing the axels.

Just for reference, here are my recent experiences:

First, I fit the ST205 trans & axels into my ST185 - perfect fit.

Next I put an MR2 tranny with LSD and the MR2/185 axel combo into the 96 Celica ST. The result was the short RH axel talked about in other threads, but the axels fit fine when extended. This means that the 185/205/202 axles are interchangable in regards to the hub (ST and GT - same hub).

Then I thought, maybe the superstut suspension would fix the short axel. Swapped the 205's suspension and sub-frame over. No difference (verified with calipers). This means that the superstrut and McPherson setups and interchangable.

So, this leads me to believe that we can swap between C series (Celica ST), S Series, and E series transmissions providing we use the right axels.

I've heard some of the 205 rally guys swap out the superstruts with the standard McPherson setups for reliablity. Superstruts are absolutely great on street/track, but aren't durable enough for rally courses.

This post has been edited by scothaniel: May 10, 2006 - 2:08 PM

[Defgeph]

an easy way to verify the gear ratio would be to have jeff take a pic of his MPH at 3-4k. then have somone else with a s54 do the same.
the max speed per gear, listed aboive, is compared at different RPM's...by the way.

I'm about 99% sure it would be the same speed @ the same RPM. If not the same then very close. I think Manny is running the same profile tires I am. So we can check with his car.

This saturday I'll take a pic of 5th gear @ 4,000 RPM.

Also,
3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.

[burneeed]

wow that could be a great axle solution if those axles fit perfect... like in the hud carrier bearing and all... Now I just wonder where to get them? How hard would it be to get curren axles?

[playr158]

part # and a dealership could do it

[Belhan]

oh ****... used S54 is 600$ and used E56 is 1100$ !!! gotta fix the old tranny Talked with some importer and he said that here is only few st202 with E56 in Finland. Its some special addon for this model i guess.