questions on big brakes, anyone got them here???... Options

[SilverCell94]

i was just wondering about upgrading my braking system. i notice that there is take about using a 7th gen big brake kit. has anyone tried this, if so plesae post some pics.

what are my options?? i know i cant use the st205 brakes any help will be great!!!

[Coomer]

Why can't you use the ST205 brakes? I've seen them on ST185, ST165s, Camrys, and a few other Toyota vehicles without Super Strut suspension setups.

[devilsden97]

ive heard of the 7th gen bigbrake working, but ive never seen it done.

Willwood makes a 6gc big brake kit. A member has it, I dont remember his name. Ill poke around, and see if I can find him.

edit: No user name, but got a picture.



believe thats a 17" rim. tire reads 205/40/17 84r

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Sep 1, 2006 - 4:04 PM

[Punch]

I saw a a black 6gen in BROOKLYN with the big brakes look kinda like that...If my minds not palying tricks on me....



if any one down here are willing i got a guy that will make the big brake kit for us he just need a donor, I would of did it but i'm tight on cash...



This post has been edited by presure2: Sep 17, 2006 - 9:53 AM

[celica47]

WOW i really hope we can find out where those brakes are at (wilowood) those are REALLY sexy

[RCTCelica]

WOW i really hope we can find out where those brakes are at (wilowood) those are REALLY sexy

those brakes belong to me. the setup is:

-6 piston calipers (wilwood dynalite)
-13 inch 2 piece directional rotors (drilled and slotted)
-stainless steel lines
-mounting brackets
-wilwood pads

wilwood does not make this kit, i had it custom made, its a complete bolt on with no mods other than removing the dust sheild.

gimme a pm if you'll like one made it'll cost approx $2400.00

[celica3sgte]

Wow dude $2400,,,is that for just the front??? I had mine custom made too. Wilwood 4 piston calipers, stainless steel lines, 13" rotors, slotted and cross drilled. I think I paid $1500 shipped. I have the rear on order but I'm selling my car, those were $1900.

[celica47]

OMG!! lol hey i know you have a swap in your car....do they help with braking? Or is it just for the look?

[celica3sgte]

I absolutely needed them. I few times I didn't stop and almost rear ended someone. It's night and day. I wouldn't mind donating my setup if I had some security that I would get my parts back.

[celica47]

I absolutely needed them. I few times I didn't stop and almost rear ended someone. It's night and day. I wouldn't mind donating my setup if I had some security that I would get my parts back.

That would be great man... i dont have ABS so if i hard brake my car SLIDES reallly bad. And thats why i've been kind of scared to do i swap because with that extra power i know it would be hell to stop! I thought you had AWD on your car, or i know that you had a thread looking for parts.

[BBoYRuGGeD]

wow steve thats some nice brakes! what do u mean by donating them and getting them back?

yah swapped celis need 'em...i had mine smoking (literally) hot one time. most of the time i just brake REALLY early...lol

bboy

[celica3sgte]

Punch said he knows a guy that would make the setup for us if he had a donor set. The only thing he needs is one of my brackets and one of my rotors. The calipers are wilwood and I think universal for my size rotor. So he'd have to get the dimensions of my rotor and bracket. The company that made mine is shady as hell. They actually have $1000 of mine right now. No AWD here but I would want it if I kept my car. I have a ton of friends in Tampa so if punch's friend can get the specs over a weekend I'm sure we could work this at some point.

[celica47]

That would be great man.... if i went with wilowood it would be dumb to do the GT disc conversion, cause i could just buy ST front brakes and GT back. Will it be the entire assembly or just caliper and rotor?

[celica3sgte]

The entire assembly includes stainless steel brake line, rotor, cailper and pads, bracket and there is also a front plate that bolts onto the rotor that goes over the lugs. The kit would come with some bolts too.

[Punch]

My friend will make it happen ...

[celica47]

My friend will make it happen ...

Well iam extremely Interested because before i even think about a swap....i would feel A LOT MORE compfortable knowing i could stop a 3s BEAST, than sliding into somebody you know.

[Punch]

call or e-mail JOSE he will make $hit happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This post has been edited by presure2: Sep 17, 2006 - 9:47 AM

[celica47]

hmmm damn MAN.... He can get wilowood brake set? How much do you think?

[Punch]

holla at him he will get $hit done....

This post has been edited by Punch: Oct 31, 2006 - 9:50 PM

[celica47]

aight will do, does he do engine swaps too? i tried looking for a website but didnt come up with anything.

[WH95TE]

Oh wow Punch, thats really close to where I live lol.

[Punch]

he does it all...

[95GT]

Did anyone ever look into getting these made?

[Punch]

Im plan on getting 4pot caliper for my car soon

[jdg371]

general questions about brakes.. I got some new wheels for my car.. from the stock 14s to 15s [205/50s] the braking didnt really change. Only had the the brakes lock once during hard breaking.

Now I changed my set again.. from the 15s [205/50s] to 16x7 [225/45s] When braking.. The car feels like it will just slide out. I havent tested a hard brake yet [just got them on sat night.] The tires on them are ES100s which are real sticky. Can anyone explain this? Or is it just me.

[LewFX]

general questions about brakes.. I got some new wheels for my car.. from the stock 14s to 15s [205/50s] the braking didnt really change. Only had the the brakes lock once during hard breaking.

Now I changed my set again.. from the 15s [205/50s] to 16x7 [225/45s] When braking.. The car feels like it will just slide out. I havent tested a hard brake yet [just got them on sat night.] The tires on them are ES100s which are real sticky. Can anyone explain this? Or is it just me.

tires dont have that much to do with braking...you have your brake pads, rotors, brake lines, calipers which all work to make your car brake..upgrading those will help you brake better not upgrading tires.

[shin]

the pic that mig posted is rctcelica. he's here in NYC. i took that pic lol. it'll cost you $2000 for the front big brake kit. i know where to get it if you guys need it. i did my dyno at that place.

[celiracer]

So it would be 4k just to get all 4 brakes done? Thats really pricey.

[Fastbird]

tires dont have that much to do with braking...you have your brake pads, rotors, brake lines, calipers which all work to make your car brake..upgrading those will help you brake better not upgrading tires.

You'd be surprised. Brakes are only effective to the maximum grip of the tire. You could have a KILLER set of brakes on a car with a crappy set of tires and stop worse than a stock equipped car.

I've seen a bit of talk about the 7th Gen brakes being a direct fit to the 6th gen, so it would reason that a 7th gen brake kit would be a (whatever is involved depending on the kit) simple installation also. Unconfirmed, but I'm going to be hitting some junkyards for one of our cars and will try to find a front brake setup from a 7th gen also.

This post has been edited by Fastbird: Nov 1, 2006 - 1:55 PM

[shin]

So it would be 4k just to get all 4 brakes done? Thats really pricey.

dunno bout the rear but it might be alil cheaper since it should be slightly smaller... or maybe more expensive since they need to make the ebrake drums too...

[ra65_22re]

i heard that a big brake kit doesnt do much better than just upgrading your stocks. like getten a better compound pads and drilled/slotted rotors. is there that big of a different? i know it would be a lot cheaper than getten willowood. not as sexy but cheaper.

[easternpiro1]

some of us paid less for our clips than that brake setup!!!! thats really expensive and i dont think the 7th gen setup will work on ours. i got some nopi drilled and slotted rotors and my friend who gave them to me said the company accidentally sent the wrong rotors...he was working on a 7th gen and they didnt quite fit. so he gave them i mean sold them to me.

[Punch]

As soon as i get my brake project of the ground, ill fill you guys in...

thats should be soon...

[6strngs]

hey, look what I just found:

http://ultrarev.com/K_Sport_Big_Brake_Kit_...999-p44102.html

[celica47]

Yeah i found these on ebay awhile, about the same price also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/D2-Racing-8-Pot-Calipe...1QQcmdZViewItem

Are these for a SSIII? They come with the steel braided brake lines also.

[Punch]

what are the size of stock gt rotors???

[playr158]

Yeah i found these on ebay awhile, about the same price also.

http://cgi.ebay.com/D2-Racing-8-Pot-Calipe...1QQcmdZViewItem

Are these for a SSIII? They come with the steel braided brake lines also.

universal hat....kinda makes me scared

[celica47]

What does?

[playr158]

the universal Hat...

look at the rotor its 2 piece...piece 1) actuall contact surface (disk)
2)hat where it slides over your studs and mounts to your hub...

its not application specific, many holes = not specific design FTL

[Coomer]

what are the size of stock gt rotors???

I'm assuming you're asking for the front? If so, that information is below.

Overall Diameter: 275mm
Minimum Thickness: 26mm
Overall Height: 49.5mm

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

i heard that a big brake kit doesnt do much better than just upgrading your stocks. like getten a better compound pads and drilled/slotted rotors. is there that big of a different? i know it would be a lot cheaper than getten willowood. not as sexy but cheaper.

True that. If you get upgraded stock pads, rotors, and lines, you'll most likely be happy. The car doesn't wiegh much, so it just doesn't need the bigger brakes. I've got a set of 4 piston calibers I was thinking about test fitting to my Celica to see how much modifications are needed. As of right now, it looks like all I'll have to do is make a different mount. Shouldn't be hard. If I do it over winter break, I'll let you all know. I might sell the plates and calipers if it's not that hard to put together.

[Kwanza26]

90% of people who get 'big brakes' do it for aesthetic value. You gotta abuse brakes pretty hard and very frequently to make full use of fixed 4+ piston calipers and 12+ inch rotors. I know I got bigger alltrac front brakes for the looks...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Nov 10, 2006 - 12:22 AM

[Batman722]

I agree with kwanza. I just put on crossed drilled rotors on my GT and I really don't feel a big difference from stock (non drilled) rotors. The only thing that makes me say "wow" is when I see them on the car.

bigger brakes will make the car stop better but do you really need them to ? the stock brakes work well when they have good pad/rotors. IMO it isn't worth it unless you are going for a "bling" upgrade factor. If you really want an upgrade then switch to SS braided lines, that seems to be the weakest point of our braking system, which is minimal.

[Coomer]

I think that the weakest point of most everyone's braking system is their tires. Brake upgrades don't help much if your car won't stick to the road.

[Punch]

I'm assuming you're asking for the front? If so, that information is below.

Overall Diameter: 275mm
Minimum Thickness: 26mm
Overall Height: 49.5mm



Thanks ...

[uberschall]

idk about the rest of you...jdg should be able to back me up on this, though.

as an auto-x'er, i USE BRAKES. i haven't have good results with drilled/slotted rotors...they seem to warp easier from the heat. maybe i need to buy better ones....but they do eat up an expensive set of pads a little too fast for my liking. i've been known to use up brake pads pretty fast...like a whole set of hawks in one track day at waterford hills.

as far as i can tell, the best ways to improve your braking are:
-install stainless lines
-use motul dot 4 rbf600 fluid (my personal recommendation)
-get the best pads you can (green stuff, hawk, etc.)
-get good tires. please do not underestimate the importance of good rubber in stopping ability.

i'm waiting for spring to do all of this to my new celica, but that was the combination that worked miracles for my old one.

[Punch]

http://cgi.ebay.com/D2-Racing-8-Pot-Calipe...1QQcmdZViewItem
only $2,010.23
im coming out with a set up soon... Alot less then that...

This post has been edited by Punch: Nov 23, 2006 - 12:50 PM