For christmas i found out the 3sgte is officially a beast!, tangled @$$ with an sti Options

[easternpiro1]

hello kiddies, hope you had a merry christmas I went to fayetteville nc for the weekend and met a couple of guys out there at the local saturday nite spot. we decide to roll out to the strip (dont assume this was on the street) and one of the guys in a gti keeps egging me to take on the sti, i do it, and to my surprise, from 30mph im DEAD EVEN with him, with his boost to 17psi... he pulled on me after a while (6th gear?) i knew my car was quick but its kinda like that big kid in elementary school that dosent realize he's so strong

being that charlotte is a haven for those stining honda hatches, i never had any legit competition
where should i go from here?

1. leave the engine/turbo alone look for more ways to put available power to the ground

2. work suspension (already thinking about doing this anyway)

3. mess with the motor some more?

any suggestions?

[macavely]

Work on the suspension. what the point of being able to throw a hard punch if it never lands.

[jdg371]

Work on the suspension. what the point of being able to throw a hard punch if it never lands.

x2

throw in plenty of suspension work.

[P5ycho]

fit a uprated fuel pump, get a boost controller and get it setup to 1.1bar boost and the subby wont stand a chance, i know u cant do due to emission laws etc but a decat would unleash few more ponies...

[celicast3sgte]

p5ycho, that plan works wonders if he had a GT-4 like yourself. hehe

fit some suspension work in there and work on making your engine more effecient. IE tuning, spark, and cooling. dont disturb the 215's greatness just make it stand out more

[lagos]

put the car on a dyno. see where your at, and go from there.

you dont really need much for suspension unless your looking to run the 1/4 mile every week. just get yourself some nice wide street tires with good grip

[snapshotgt]

Make the car handle better. Suspension imho.

[x_itchy_b_x]

do both
throw in some struts and springs, and a boost controller/FCD im sure the stock fuel system is good for 15 psi if you have a walbro pump.

[easternpiro1]

Work on the suspension. what the point of being able to throw a hard punch if it never lands.

good point, im planning on getting the tein setup that eveybody here has

fit a uprated fuel pump, get a boost controller and get it setup to 1.1bar boost and the subby wont stand a chance, i know u cant do due to emission laws etc but a decat would unleash few more ponies...

got a boost controller already (turbo xs ) does the job, and car is a 94 and my bro inspects cars, i have 2.5 straight pipe

put the car on a dyno. see where your at, and go from there.


you dont really need much for suspension unless your looking to run the 1/4 mile every week. just get yourself some nice wide street tires with good grip

thats the next step, found a place in fayetteville that will do it for 50 bucks for 3 pulls! can you give me a good size lagos? im sick of these 205 40's anyway... (wear out too quick)

do both
throw in some struts and springs, and a boost controller/FCD im sure the stock fuel system is good for 15 psi if you have a walbro pump.

15 psi is how the motor comes stock

i had a debate with a friend of mine, he warned me against getting 3in exhaust because of no low end although a 3in wont fit up because i have a 2.25 downpipe (gotta get a custom fab'd dp) would that help prevent the wheel spin a bit?

[DomGT]

You gotta listen to waht everyone is telling you, and you know why??? All these cars you race, 99% of the racers out there, WISHED they weighed like a 6GC. You have to take advantage of our weight, image the smile on your face when you WALK a brand new STi!!!!

[gt_driFFter]

ct20b

[x_itchy_b_x]

ct20b

i think the caldina turbo is part of the manifold or something weird like that, and i think its a larger turbo to begin with he has like 260hp stock right? will gen II stuff bolt on to it?

[playr158]

a) go to the Dyno make sure your running smooth and safe
b) improve on your TRACTION...what good is your power if u can't hit the gas till 3rd? its useless
c) get a set of BFGs (this assists in object b)
d) learn more

[97lestyousay]

C: X2

[lagos]

bfg's in 225-45-17 would work very well.

[doGGy]

Well - i will be first to say - but Guy in STi cant drive or the STi in US sucks. IMHO 3SGTE from caldina or 3gen running stock boost does not have a chance over the STi.

By the way - what year STi was?

[drhossa]

You shouldn't have a chance against a STi, they are pretty fast.
And just forget the ct20b, that's no good turbo, I got one myself in my ST205. It lives forever but the spoolup is a catastrophy

[easternpiro1]

Well - i will be first to say - but Guy in STi cant drive or the STi in US sucks. IMHO 3SGTE from caldina or 3gen running stock boost does not have a chance over the STi.

By the way - what year STi was?

it was a brand new sti! had to be 2005 or 06. he hit the rev limiter in one of the gears and we stayed dead even until he hit 6th. i know he wasnt jerkin me because he said my car surprised the hell out of him

[lagos]

Well - i will be first to say - but Guy in STi cant drive or the STi in US sucks. IMHO 3SGTE from caldina or 3gen running stock boost does not have a chance over the STi.

By the way - what year STi was?

doggy, the stock sti's around here put out about 250hp to the wheels. most 3s swaps dyno at around 220-250 with basic mods. so from a roll, we should be dead even or faster then an sti.

[playr158]

traction wise running a 16" wheel will be better then a 17" for the fact that the more sidewall u have the better off you will be. especially on a launch...

when u launch you need to produce a "wrinkle" where the rim will start to move but the tire:road contact surface does not...this creates a small wrinkle in the tire helping traction....ie "some give" also the effect on adjusting tire pressure will increase as well

where as on a 17" or 18" rim traction will be significantly WORSE because of a smaller and stiffer sidewall. there will be no wrinkle effect and that rotational energy will just transfer straight to the road:tire contact patch and lose traction.....

if u want traction use the smallest wheel possible...with the best DOT approved DR......(if u started with an ST that will be a 14" rim)
BUT if you want to still look good or so run at GT 15 or an aftermarket 16" but for straight line traction significant drag racing u don't want to go into bigger wheels

[x_itchy_b_x]

your correct with wanting wrinkle but wheel size isnt as important as sidewall size you can still use a 17" wheel and have the same side of a 16" wheel depending on sidewall size. but i get what ur saying with a smaller wheel u can fit more tire on it.

but u need to draw the line somewhere. straight lines yes sidewall = flex = grip, but in the twisties too much sidewall = sidewall curling under the wheel. eww. so u need to find a happy medium if ur gunna be running the same tires for everything. easier to get some nice drag radials.

its also misleading when u say for best traction use the smallest wheel, maybe so but what will give u even more traction than just a small wheel is having a taller Tire, the more area a tire covers in one rotation the more torque it can spread out to the ground. i can ran roast little wheels all day long but put on a taller tire and your trap speed will increase by a few mph just because the wheel covers more ground with each rotation.

i agree with everything u said Dan

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Dec 27, 2006 - 1:04 PM

[lagos]

another thing is that the smaller wheel will have less rotational mass then a bigger one. so even with more sidewall, the smaller lighter wheel will be easy to spin on street tires. think about it this way, even a stock ST can loose traction on 14in rims, but no way would it be able to spin 19s, right?

the wrinkle dan is talking about, is something you often see on drag slicks. something you would want on the track, but not on the street.

the best thing to do is to is the find a balance of the 2 things. a nice 17x8in rim, with the biggest and widest tire you can fit on there, would probably work out well for street use, while still looking good.

[easternpiro1]

i love u guys... ok so what i plan to do next is lower the car (tein s like most of the people here) i DEFINATELY want to get the size lagos has. 245 45 17. for the strip (if i can ever get out there) im thinking i want to get some Bull$#!T 14" steelies and some tires that are like 30 bucks.

im still trying to find out more about what goes from gen2&3 onto a gen4 its hard searching though

btw... for those with the 3s swap what was the FIRST thing you did after you put in the motor to enhance performance? (besides dyno)

[Glitch001]

Well - i will be first to say - but Guy in STi cant drive or the STi in US sucks. IMHO 3SGTE from caldina or 3gen running stock boost does not have a chance over the STi.

By the way - what year STi was?

doggy, the stock sti's around here put out about 250hp to the wheels. most 3s swaps dyno at around 220-250 with basic mods. so from a roll, we should be dead even or faster then an sti.

dude thats bench racing, weight, airflow, all comes into account.

For me, boost controller/bigger injectors/ bigger fuel pump/ intake/ exhaust/ downpipe

[95celgt]

on mine, i just practiced getting awesome launches at the track, the celis can dig out of the hole like lightning if you do it right. i have a vid too to prove it lol

[macavely]

on mine, i just practiced getting awesome launches at the track, the celis can dig out of the hole like lightning if you do it right. i have a vid too to prove it lol

yea you need to post that like now .. loll

[easternpiro1]

X2 vid OR BAN!

[playr158]

yea FWD can rocket like crazy outta the hole if you do it right....i was cutting 2.1 second 60' at 18psi on 16s w/winter tires

but Piro if you want some track rims i got a set of 14s for you UBER cheap

[95celgt]

well its on my myspace lol, I jumped on my bro's SS like mad outta the hole.

[95celgt]

here's the link,
keep in mind this was in may, before the rebuild running on 3cylinders launching at 5Kish rpm:D :

3S Launch vs. SS

[lagos]

here's the link,
keep in mind this was in may, before the rebuild running on 3cylinders launching at 5Kish rpm:D :

3S Launch vs. SS

what time did you run?

[easternpiro1]

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