3sgte AWD Conversion, Trying it anyway! Options

[Green_MachToy]

I got a shipment in of all the parts I was missing to do the AWD Conversion on my ST. Now I am starting to put everything in with a lot of help from a friend of mine.
Parts List 1
Parts list 2
Parts list 3
Parts list 4
Parts list 5
Parts list 6
Here is a shot while we were taking pics.
Plenty of Go Go Juice
The first thing we pulled the rear out, and placed the new ST205 rear on a jack and started measuring. It seemed like we were measuring for hours...but gotta make sure it is right.
Holding it in place until everything measures out.
There were no bolt holes that we could use to tap and bolt the rear up to, so we had to fab a brace.
New Rear
Then as many know...the trunk had to go. We decided to remove the entire trunk bottom to also allow for the gas tank. The next problem we ran into was the bumper support. We had to cut that in order for the tank to fit and to keep the it up high. We are going to fab a mounting bracket for the bumper but that got moved low on the list.
View from trunk where gas tank will go.
The driveshaft and tunnel needed extra mounting brackets and the exhaust to be relocated. In doing this we almost caught the car on fire from the heat of the welds. Luckily the carpet did catch, but rather than pull it back like we had, we removed it all to ensure it didn't catch fire.
Pic of tunnel
When it came to the fromt, that work went a lot faster. The tranny swap was easy enough to remove the MR2 and replace it with the ST205. Since the only axles that appeared to fit were the ST205, I got them from here (thanks celica3sgte)! Just as we had most everything was coming together, my shifter cable broke. It was actually the plastic piece right near the shifter. Got one off an ST185, and tried to put it in tonight...it doesn't fit!
Side note: The front cross-member is the same as ours. I had ordered it just to be on the safe side, and didn't need it. The super strut system uses the same mounting points.
Front disc and strut
Monster Discs!
Another view of front
Rear discs with 18" rims on 'em.
We also installed a new Aeromotive fuel pressure regulator and 680 injectors...was to help a new T4 turbo. But the T4 shaft and fins appear to have been damaged in the mail. I will now have to send it out to have them replaced and balanced. Anyone know of a good place here in San Diego or Southern California? I was going to send it to Performance Tecniques in San Bernadino, but no one seems to have heard of them.

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 4, 2007 - 10:08 PM

[lagos]

nice job. looks like you have a good chance at making it all work. how are you planning to mount the rear? looks like you have a frame made up that you'll bolt to the car and then bolt the rear to that?

[Green_MachToy]

nice job. looks like you have a good chance at making it all work. how are you planning to mount the rear? looks like you have a frame made up that you'll bolt to the car and then bolt the rear to that?

What we did was we made a frame with bolts welded to it. That frame was welded to the frame of the car re-inforcing the existing frame and allowing the rear subframe to be bolted to it. This way if I need to take it off for any reason the sub frame can be removed leaving only the welded on re-inforcement. I will take some more pics to show it better. The rear is on and everything is in place all the way to the transfer case. It all looks to be in working order. The final test will be to finish everything up and drive it.

[JesterDC]

OMG, OMG, OMG, PLEASE SUCCEED, please!!!!!

[playr158]

very very nice, the more pictures the better

especially of the new frame u made

[Punch]

thats some nice work!!!!
I wish you the best on this project!!!

[LewFX]

if you succeed, would you do it to another celica for some cash? hook up the so cal celis

[Green_MachToy]

Tank view with neck to original spot and trunk gone
Reinforced frame with rear mounting bolt for sub frame and sway bar
Center sub frame mounting point
Control arms from ST205 and one custom adjustable arm to ensure correct fit
additional pic of welded support for sub frame at center mounting point
Front reinforcement that bolts to front of subframe
another tank view to show it also is removable by removing bolts and strut support

[Green_MachToy]

We can definately do that. We were trying to figure out a way to build a jig so it could be ordered and shipped out to anyone so they could bolt it in. We definately aren't there yet, but we have the welder and can duplicate what we have done already. I am sure it would be easier for yours since you are already a hatch. But we would have to take a look. You can come down and take a look anytime if you would like.

if you succeed, would you do it to another celica for some cash? hook up the so cal celis

[azian_advanced]

this is awesome... this is gonna be one of the craziest coupes ever when it's finished.

[italianmr2kid]

i def want to know about how this goes. you willing to do a write up for some people to follow (cough*me*cough) maybe in a gt instead of st?

[Punch]

that can be a kit you can sell to has sport not only for honda's any more...LOL

[j0e_p3t]

expect me to show up at your door a couple years from now so you can put all that into my car.

[Green_MachToy]

i def want to know about how this goes. you willing to do a write up for some people to follow (cough*me*cough) maybe in a gt instead of st?

I would be glad to help where I can. The only problem with giving advice on the GT vice the ST, I don't have one. LOL. Meaning I am not sure of all the differences until we look at and possibly do one.

[2slow2nervous]

i would love to see a write up on this to!

[CilverSeliST205]

I wish you success in your project, and as a potential future customer i would like you to PM me a ballpark price of labor and custom made parts (not including oem gt4 parts). Good Luck!

[jcbass7]

you've inspired me

[Punch]

can you try st185 parts alot ez-er to come by & even carmy alltrac parts , that way you can get parts from the dealer....

[Green_MachToy]

I am not sure...I know some of the parts appear to similar to the ST185 or ST165 - those are the subframe. Transfer case appears to be different. Would have to look at the wheel base and drive shaft to make sure the driveshafts are the same. ST165 is a two piece driveshaft...st205 is 3. I have a hub from a st185, let me check to see if it is the same. I will see what I can dig up as far as cross referencing parts. To be honest with you, since we had to fab a mounting point for the rear, I am sure you can adjust for the different AWD Set-ups, but it may affect you in other areas. If the transfer case is bigger...there may not be enough room near the rack. Little things like that we can speculate on but until you have the parts and are diving into it, you don't know for sure. I think when you add other types of body styles and years, you add more opportunity for problems. I am not done yet, so there may be other problems that I am not yet aware of. I would be happy to help, in any way. If you are asking me my opinion...I would say stay with the st205, because right now it appears we might be able to get that to work. I am not sure of what the cost would be for the complete package until it is 100% complete. I hope this helps.

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 5, 2007 - 3:12 PM

[Fate]

this is awesome! can't wait to see the process as it comes closer to finished.

[x_itchy_b_x]

awesome news, its always great to learn from other people trying something new or rarely done.
if this turns into a kit I will mos definitely buy one. or maybe a book with step by step instructions, hmm.

[JesterDC]

...it's soooo beautiful...*tears of joy run down my face*

[Defgeph]

Really nice work. I have been thinking of this for along time. Please keep the info flowing, this is an awesome thread.

Good luck

[celicast3sgte]

im totally jealous! wish i had those goodies

[Punch]

we needed some1 here to do it....

[Dr_Tweak]

Nice work!

If anyone on the east coast seriously wants it done, I'm up for it.

-Doc

[Punisher]

Me and SilverCeliOwner (corey) were talking about doing this actually... We even have an st205 trans sitting here... so if anyone in the NE is interested.. we're up for it

[playr158]

yea i'm going to do it....hopefully when i go to get my ST205 clip it will come with all the rear ****

[Green_MachToy]

yea i'm going to do it....hopefully when i go to get my ST205 clip it will come with all the rear ****

Sorry I have been out of commission...I had a death in the family. I actually got the parts from Europe. So if they don't come with your clip, you can get them from a parts yard over there. I would suggest going through someone on this forum rather than taking a chance as I did on ebay. But if you need who I went through, I would be happy to share.

[j0e_p3t]

I have been out of commission...I had a death in the family.

sorry for your loss.

[playr158]

yea i'm going to do it....hopefully when i go to get my ST205 clip it will come with all the rear ****

Sorry I have been out of commission...I had a death in the family. I actually got the parts from Europe. So if they don't come with your clip, you can get them from a parts yard over there. I would suggest going through someone on this forum rather than taking a chance as I did on ebay. But if you need who I went through, I would be happy to share.

ya bro sorry to hear about the loss....

[Excursion745]

Dude what ur doing to ur car is great. Gives me the drive to do something great to mine. And it really sucks with ur lose i had a friend who just passed a few weeks ago.. Remeber drinking and driving is not the way to go.. May ur family member R.I.P.

[Green_MachToy]

Thanks all of the supportive feedback posted up here! Thanks and I will get more pics up this weekend.

[99GT]

updates?

[Green_MachToy]

OK, I got the front axles in, driveshaft in. I now have to install the new shifter cables that got in today. I was hoping to have received them this weekend so I could get everything buttoned up. But the shipment didn't arrive until today. Once I get the cables in place and some of the minor items cleaned up...I will post the pics up to give everyone a look.

updates?

[j0e_p3t]

i might get to see it in person

[6strngs]

I want!!! so how much has this cost you start to finish, if you don't mind me asking.

[celiracer]

Very impressive. Hopefully it will become a kit where we can buy it and be able to bolt on and make it AWD. That would be really awsome to have a 3sgte and AWD in the US..

[alltracman78]

That would be really awsome to have a 3sgte and AWD in the US..

It is
(sorry, couldn't resist )

FYI, the T case for the 165/185/205 have the same physical dimensions. The difference in the 185 and 205 is simply the lever on the 185 that allows for different viscous coupling configurations [only for the dyno, before anyone asks. ]

As I'm sure you know the rear diff is the same as well.
Hubs are also the same [NOT the whole knuckle, just the hub] as far as I know.
You might be able to use the propeller shaft from a 185, but I believe it's a slight be shorter. Same type though, and very similar.
I think the same goes for the front and rear CV shafts.
I believe the rear subframe is also different, but similar. If you were going to make a bracket that it bolts up to, I don't think it would be that different enough to matter.
But I've never done this, so it's all supposition at this point.

The question is how well the 205 superstrut suspension would bolt up to it.
Or would you want to use the 185 suspension?
No joints in the front to go bad at 60k miles.

And for the record, when I state a part is the same, I mean it will bolt on. For example the rear diff for the 205 might have an extra groove in the heatsink, and so have a different part#, but it will bolt right up to a 185 subframe.

[x_itchy_b_x]

this is great info ^^^ excited to see this project.

[Green_MachToy]

Which parts? The whole project or just the rear?

I want!!! so how much has this cost you start to finish, if you don't mind me asking.

[6strngs]

Which parts? The whole project or just the rear?

I want!!! so how much has this cost you start to finish, if you don't mind me asking.

everything, the whole AWD conversion (not including 3sgte engine). Cost of parts, labor, specialty tools, custom fabrication, etc. everything needed to go from FWD to AWD.

[Green_MachToy]

The parts cost me approx 2k (excluding the tranny, driveshaft, rear diff - I got those with my clip). The hardest part about that was finding a place that would part out a car ship them out to me. I got them from a guy in Europe. It is a junk yard. I would suggest we go through someone on here rather than taking a chance like I did through e-bay. But I got the parts and that price included shipping. Since it was me and a friend of mine doing the work the price on labor is a rough guess. Looking at what we did and the time it took us, I would say that would have probably been about 5k (a lot of time spent figuring it out as we went) if it was done at a shop. I talked to my friend and he said he would probably do the work for anyone on here for around 3-4k. Now some of the parts can be gotten cheaper as a couple people have pointed out on here that the rear is the same on a ST165 and ST185. The arms and hubs also appear to be the same. The difference is those monster calipers and discs. Not to mention the sway bars....I should have gotten them from the guy at the Junk yard as well. By going fuel cell instead of the tank like I did, would probably save a lot of time and money or be a wash between the cost of the cell and fabrication. My guess at this point would be it can all be done if paying someone else for everything for around 5+k.

Which parts? The whole project or just the rear?

I want!!! so how much has this cost you start to finish, if you don't mind me asking.

everything, the whole AWD conversion (not including 3sgte engine). Cost of parts, labor, specialty tools, custom fabrication, etc. everything needed to go from FWD to AWD.

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 22, 2007 - 1:24 AM

[playr158]

is it possible to get any better pics of each area of the subframe and so forth

[Green_MachToy]

I will give it a shot. Not promising anything.

is it possible to get any better pics of each area of the subframe and so forth

[6strngs]

5K? wow! a lot less than I expected! I always assumed that a full AWD conversion would cost like 20K+

[j0e_p3t]

and i live in so cal. sweet. time to start filling up my piggy bank.

[CilverSeliST205]

The parts cost me approx 2k (excluding the tranny, driveshaft, rear diff - I got those with my clip). The hardest part about that was finding a place that would part out a car ship them out to me. I got them from a guy in Europe. It is a junk yard. I would suggest we go through someone on here rather than taking a chance like I did through e-bay. But I got the parts and that price included shipping. Since it was me and a friend of mine doing the work the price on labor is a rough guess. Looking at what we did and the time it took us, I would say that would have probably been about 5k (a lot of time spent figuring it out as we went) if it was done at a shop. I talked to my friend and he said he would probably do the work for anyone on here for around 3-4k. Now some of the parts can be gotten cheaper as a couple people have pointed out on here that the rear is the same on a ST165 and ST185. The arms and hubs also appear to be the same. The difference is those monster calipers and discs. Not to mention the sway bars....I should have gotten them from the guy at the Junk yard as well. By going fuel cell instead of the tank like I did, would probably save a lot of time and money or be a wash between the cost of the cell and fabrication. My guess at this point would be it can all be done if paying someone else for everything for around 5+k

I believe that there is some untapped potential for money making I bet that alot of swapped people, including me, would drive any distance within US with to get that conversion done for anything under $7k
Maybe you should open up a shop.

[midengine3sgte]

I'd drive a distance to get it done.

[Green_MachToy]

My Garage is open and talked to the friend of mine that did most of the work with me and he is game.

I'd drive a distance to get it done.

[Green_MachToy]

Sorry for the lack of infomration....things have been crazy at work. I have had no time for the car. I have finished the hard lines for the new gas tank location and the drive shaft is in. I was a little confused as to why there was a gap in the drive shaft with the front shaft all the way in the transfer case. I then figured out that it is not supposed to be in flush with the transfer case and the shaft, but it should be closer to flush on the dust shields. Once we lined everything up it looks like everything is a good fit. THe reason for the spacing in the transfer case (in case anyone wondered)....is for torque on the engine. When the engine torques down under load the trandfer case slides further down the driveshaft. I verified this with 2 ST165 owners and reviewed pics and the book I have on the st205. I will have to finish the re-wiring of the gas tank due to the differences in the placement of the float, etc. On ours it is pretty much all in one. On the ST205 you have two different ports and wiring to go with. I have tried to take some better pics and placed them up on a shared viewing location. I hope this works! I have tried to allow you to view most of the pics that I have in there. I didn't think you were interested in the family pics, so I tried to remove all of those. I have also changed out the lugs in the front. Due to the caliper size, the offset on my original 18" rims still did not clear them. I was about 3/8" off. In order to at least use a spacer to get this running I cheanged to a longer lug for now until I can afford new rims. The current problem I am focusing on is the front sway bar, end link, and strut mounting point. The stock sway bar appears to be different than the stock gt4. For those that are thinking of this...a rear sway bar new and upgraded is $200. I would imagine the front is the same, but haven't found one yet. I am still looking. If anyone knows where I can get a front st205 sway bar, please let me know. I have also added the OBX Style manifold with extra support and downpipe. I have been told that the OBX style manifolds crack because there is little support for them and the crack due to stress/weight of the down pipe, turbo, exhaust, etc. I have also upgraded the injectors to 680's and added the Aeromotive regulator. I will be sending out a turbo I have and have it upgraded (we had to clock the turbo and lift the intercooler for the new turbo and wastegate to fit...will eventually go to external wastegate). I have also installed the FCON V. Hopefully I will have it running soon. Until I have the new turbo back I have installed the stock one and changed the coolant lines. In the ST165, the coolant runs through the turbo. I have drilled a hole and added a spot on the front side of the turbo cover plate to allow for the recirc line to be on the opposite side of the turbo to allow for flow. What I have left is:
Bumper Modification
Gas tank wiring
Gas Tank fill neck - Adjust to fit into this setup
Front swaybar and end links
Finish putting everything back together in the engine when new turbo gets back
Re-check all bolts
Repair front cross-member bolt on car body (I will have to cut and re weld from the inside of the body. It appears to have broken free and will not let me tighten last bolt on front cross-member

[Punch]

good luck ! hope you get it done!!!

[laff09]

Awesome.

[Green_MachToy]

good luck ! hope you get it done!!!

Thanks. I have the gas tank wiring and fill neck done. I should have the rest done by this weekend.

[j0e_p3t]

sweet. so cal meet at your place this weekend.

[phattyduck]

sweet. so cal meet at your place this weekend.

Lol... I could head down there too if it was on Sunday.

-Charlie

[Punch]

any updates

[Green_MachToy]

I will post them tomorrow...I want to get some better pics to post with it.

any updates

[stephen_lee]

what happened to this??

[CaliJeff]

iunno, the dood hasnt been online for about 2 weeks.

[jcbass7]

bump for update... this thread neeeeeeds to continue

[stephen_lee]

updates? im really interested in thos

[bccentaur3]

^ I agree, super BUMP.

[LeonStryfe]

Bump - waiting for this one also.


BTW, wasn't there someone else who had a AWD converted celica who was selling his car? I think from somewhere in the east coast. It was a silver celi?

[presure2]

Bump - waiting for this one also.


BTW, wasn't there someone else who had a AWD converted celica who was selling his car? I think from somewhere in the east coast. It was a silver celi?

yes, his s/n was celiman05
the car was sold to a guy named bryan from the boston area.
his screenname is gman

[bccentaur3]

I wonder how he likes the car. Which awd converted celi was it that had problems going straight at 70+?

[y2komar]

bump

any updates?

[Alan]

Does any1 have any photos of the AWD conversion I cant open them on this tread :S

[jcbass7]

Good thing i right click and save way to many pics..

here is what i have:















and the rest!











enjoy!

[Alan]

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

[jcbass7]

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

yea the guy who did this thread, greenmachtoy, pm him i think he will get back to you

[Alan]

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

yea the guy who did this thread, greenmachtoy, pm him i think he will get back to you

Thanks again bro

[Alan]

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

yea the guy who did this thread, greenmachtoy, pm him i think he will get back to you

You sure thats the name cant find him m8
:S

[jgreening]

yea the guy who [started] this thread

[bccentaur3]

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

yea the guy who did this thread, greenmachtoy, pm him i think he will get back to you

Well if he would respond back, why won't he give us an update on his project?

[Alan]

Also did this guy ever finish the swap becuase it doesnt look like it :s

[Green_MachToy]

Sorry all, I have had no time. Long story...couple different jobs, now I am finally back to working on the car. The only thing I am missing is an axle seal for the tranny. I am going to try an ST185. I have tried for a couple months to get one from Europe with no luck. If any of our overseas Brothers (or Sisters) wouldn't mind giving me a hand, I would be happy to pay through paypal to have one shipped over.

The status of the project is that I think I bit off more than I could chew...at least at once. Ran into a snag with the wiring. I got a short in the body harness and it fried all the way into the jacks inside the car. That took some time to re-run. Actually got a harness from Supra (sorry can't remeber the guys name on here) and re-ran it and re-spliced the changes for the conversion. The AWD conversion is done except I had a bad axle seal from the shipment that won't seal in the GT4 tranny due damaged along the way. It actually runs (badly) and all moving parts of the drivetrain work correctly. I will video next time I have it running. It runs badly because I also upgraded the injectors and am upgrading the turbo at the same time. I have had a lot of help on this conversion and unfortunately we all haven't been able to hook up to finish. I have also figured out that, I need to adjust my wiring to allow for the second stage of the fuel pump to kick in through the relay. I currently have it wired to immediately run at the second or high speed. The engine is getting too much fuel with the fuel pump the way it is and the bigger injectors. I will go through and try and update the pictures or the links. After the engine is complete, I will then have to focus on re-wiring the car's interior. I had a guy wire up the security system and the stereo, and he did a hack job. Had to pull everything out and practically start over. Botttomline is that I have had some set backs, but hopefully I can get some help and keep moving forward. I would like to be done by the time TORC comes up.

[Green_MachToy]

I lost most of my pics off of Yahoo, but here is what I have and most seem to be put up here by other members....thanks!
Celica pics
http://www.flickr.com/photos/13450974@N02/...57603873889898/


Found the other ones....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19802348@N02/...57603069190836/

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 9, 2008 - 3:41 AM

[ra65_22re]

Wow you made a awd coupe!! Thats Awsome mad props green man!!! cant wait till we see that awd coupe tear up the streets!!!

[bccentaur3]

We've been waiting sooo long for you to update. I would like to be the first to say Thank you for remembering about how badly we wanted to see how this thing turned out. Well, get'r done and post vids.

[Green_MachToy]

We've been waiting sooo long for you to update. I would like to be the first to say Thank you for remembering about how badly we wanted to see how this thing turned out. Well, get'r done and post vids.

Again sorry fo rthe delay. I was successful in getting the new turbo on with new FMIC. I will work on the wastegate and the downpipe tomorrow and see if ican get it to run. If I do I will post the clip with the leaking seal just to show everyone! Here is a bad shot, but a shot none the less.... http://www.flickr.com/photos/19802348@N02/...in/photostream/


If I can help answer questions I will certain try.

Thanks man do you know who celica this is becuase I have many questions hehe

yea the guy who did this thread, greenmachtoy, pm him i think he will get back to you

Thanks again bro

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 10, 2008 - 1:05 AM

[6strngs]

so, how much have you spent on the AWD stuff so far? not including the 3sgte, bigger turbo, FMIC, etc. just the AWD swap stuff.

[Green_MachToy]

I got all the parts for just under $2k....that was everything from the tank to calipers. Only things I didn't get was the sway bars(in Europe I believe the call them Anti-roll bars). I cut a re-welded mine to fit the use for now. THis is an item I must replace before I do any real hard driving. The reason I made a point to mention the difference in the name is because I have had better luck getting used parts from over there than I have in Japan. In Europe, they seem to be parting (breaking) them, one every week. The $2k was including shipping. I would suggest you pay the extra for a fuel cell rather than go with a stock tank. It will save you the cutting of the trunk, major welding, re-build, adjusting the fill neck....etc.

I am still working on trying to figure out the wiring through the Fuel relay to have the high speed in the stock pump kick in under boost. I should have addressed this during the initial engine swap but didn't realize the second stage was not wired up correctly. I have basically all the power requirements to the relay, but none of the inputs from the ECU and nothing back to the pump itself (other than the stock ST wiring being used as low speed). Can anyone assist with this?

so, how much have you spent on the AWD stuff so far? not including the 3sgte, bigger turbo, FMIC, etc. just the AWD swap stuff.

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 10, 2008 - 11:54 AM

[Green_MachToy]

I have probably spent around that on all the work I have done to the car so far. Your question was the AWD portion. Because I have done it in stages and am doing it myself, there are pluses and minus to it. Plus - I saved money on labor. Minus - I am re-doing things I had done before....struts being one. I have made mistakes and had to re-do things. THe list goes on. The $5+k was a friend of mine giving me a price to do things out of his garage. I am sure if you go somewhere else, it would run you more.

5K? wow! a lot less than I expected! I always assumed that a full AWD conversion would cost like 20K+

[Punch]

now you should make kits for the rest of us so we can go awd!
sell the kit to has sport or TRD and get rich $$$

Keep up the good work...

[GriffGirl]

I got all the parts for just under $2k....that was everything from the tank to calipers. Only things I didn't get was the sway bars(in Europe I believe the call them Anti-roll bars). I cut a re-welded mine to fit the use for now. THis is an item I must replace before I do any real hard driving. The reason I made a point to mention the difference in the name is because I have had better luck getting used parts from over there than I have in Japan. In Europe, they seem to be parting (breaking) them, one every week. The $2k was including shipping. I would suggest you pay the extra for a fuel cell rather than go with a stock tank. It will save you the cutting of the trunk, major welding, re-build, adjusting the fill neck....etc.

I am still working on trying to figure out the wiring through the Fuel relay to have the high speed in the stock pump kick in under boost. I should have addressed this during the initial engine swap but didn't realize the second stage was not wired up correctly. I have basically all the power requirements to the relay, but none of the inputs from the ECU and nothing back to the pump itself (other than the stock ST wiring being used as low speed). Can anyone assist with this?

You should PM Dr. Tweak about this, I bet he can help. Wiring is one of his specialties.


This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Feb 11, 2008 - 4:16 PM

[Green_MachToy]

I think the other guy with the AWD ST (BltnotBgt) has a better setup for making a kit. It almost looks as though you could probably make the circular piece in the rear wider and use some u-bolts for those that don't want or can't weld. I am not sure if that would be strong enough but, I am sure there are plenty of guys on here that could make the suggestions to get a kit out of his setup. Plus his is a lot cleaner! Hopefully someone on here can come up with something.

now you should make kits for the rest of us so we can go awd!
sell the kit to has sport or TRD and get rich $$$

Keep up the good work...

I will give that a shot....thanks!

I got all the parts for just under $2k....that was everything from the tank to calipers. Only things I didn't get was the sway bars(in Europe I believe the call them Anti-roll bars). I cut a re-welded mine to fit the use for now. THis is an item I must replace before I do any real hard driving. The reason I made a point to mention the difference in the name is because I have had better luck getting used parts from over there than I have in Japan. In Europe, they seem to be parting (breaking) them, one every week. The $2k was including shipping. I would suggest you pay the extra for a fuel cell rather than go with a stock tank. It will save you the cutting of the trunk, major welding, re-build, adjusting the fill neck....etc.

I am still working on trying to figure out the wiring through the Fuel relay to have the high speed in the stock pump kick in under boost. I should have addressed this during the initial engine swap but didn't realize the second stage was not wired up correctly. I have basically all the power requirements to the relay, but none of the inputs from the ECU and nothing back to the pump itself (other than the stock ST wiring being used as low speed). Can anyone assist with this?

You should PM Dr. Tweak about this, I bet he can help. Wiring is one of his specialties.

[stephen_lee]

i may start looking for the whole rear of the car and get my friend to weld up the gt4 rear up to my st and go from there

[lagos]

Remove the fuel pump relay all together and let the fuel pump run 100% from the COR. All you have to do is cut the yellow relay out and solder all of the blue wires together.

[Theshanon]

hey did you have to re-route the exhaust?? if so whered you put it?

[Green_MachToy]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

Remove the fuel pump relay all together and let the fuel pump run 100% from the COR. All you have to do is cut the yellow relay out and solder all of the blue wires together.

TheShanon:
Its right next to the drive shaft...
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hey did you have to re-route the exhaust?? if so whered you put it?

This post has been edited by Green_MachToy: Feb 17, 2008 - 7:31 PM

[Theshanon]

honestly man, good job!!!!!!

[x_itchy_b_x]

680's on a stock ecu? if so that would be the reason why it barely runs.
i'm not sure if the safcII can even correct that large of a size without completely throwing off ignition timing.

[lagos]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

Then the fuel pump wiring is not your problem. You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.
If your still on the stock ct20b turbo, then there is no reason to put bigger injectors in there.

[6strngs]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

Then the fuel pump wiring is not your problem. You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.
If your still on the stock ct20b turbo, then there is no reason to put bigger injectors in there.

It runs badly because I also upgraded the injectors and am upgrading the turbo at the same time.

[lagos]

To what turbo? Whats the power goal? How do you/he plan to tune for the bigger injectors.

550s are enough to support around 330-350hp.

[jgreening]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.

Unless you run E85

[lagos]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.

Unless you run E85

Fuel type has nothing to do with it. Factory ecu is programmed to operate at certain duty cycles for 550cc injector. Simply throwing in bigger injectors will mess up your idle, cruise, and wot fuel maps.

[x_itchy_b_x]

fuel type matters. e85 might run better (not great though since you cant tune anything on a stock ecu), since e85 requires 20-30% more fuel to run. i agree though, you need some sort of management.

[jgreening]

I believe you could say I did something very similar to that and it now runs so rich it will barely run. Important thing to keep in mind - I upgrade the injectors to 680's....seems like way too much fuel. I took the stock wiring and connected all blues and all grounds to stock wiring. I will try and get a pic of it and post it up to show you.

You cant just put it 680cc injectors on a car that was programed to run 550s.

Unless you run E85

Fuel type has nothing to do with it. Factory ecu is programmed to operate at certain duty cycles for 550cc injector. Simply throwing in bigger injectors will mess up your idle, cruise, and wot fuel maps.

Perhaps you should do some research before you start barking.