To all gun owners...i know ur out there, i need some advice Options

[Davesceli]

Im looking for a home defense shotgun and i've narrowed my choices down to a mossberg 590 and the remington 870...which one is the better gun???

thanks

[manphibian]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up

[Rayme]

Use your legs and run away!

[95CelicaST]

Use your legs and run away!

If someone broke into my house, the LAST thing I would do is run away!

I wouldn't get a shotgun, unless its for the scare tactic- because shotguns make things messy, but if you must have a shotgun get the remington- because you should look good while pointing a gun at someone's chest.

No offence, but your country is f*cked up

Thank George Dubya Bush for that.

This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Apr 26, 2007 - 10:27 AM

[Toyoca]

if you cant even research a SHOTGUN youre about to buy then maybe you shouldnt even get 1.

or @ least go to a gun forum geeze

This post has been edited by Toyoca: Apr 26, 2007 - 10:32 AM

[Davesceli]

i just wanted to get the opinion of some of the gun owners around here (i've seen the threads...and this is in the off topic section)...i've done a massive amount of research, i narrowed my choices down to those two.

I want a shot gun cuz theres less of chance that the shot will go through the walls of the house and into a neighbors...

Yes our country is f***ed up...hence the need for a shotgun!!!

[x_itchy_b_x]

for home defense birdshot would be nice
large spray pattern and wont go through the walls, well too far.

[lagos]

wtf are you trying do defend against? if things in your area are so bad that you think you need a gun, then maybe it time to move.

[x_itchy_b_x]

[DSToyo]

wtf are you trying do defend against? if things in your area are so bad that you think you need a gun, then maybe it time to move.

x2, when more and more people get guns bad things happen, it may be time to try and move...

[x_itchy_b_x]

wtf are you trying do defend against? if things in your area are so bad that you think you need a gun, then maybe it time to move.

x2, when more and more people get guns bad things happen, it may be time to try and move...

why do people feel that? its only a tool. if someone is going to do something they dont need a gun. they will use something else. bats, tools, knives, bow and arrows, cannons, bombs,..... a pencil, a brick, a car, a pillow, some string. ect ect ect.

[2slow2nervous]

alright the remington 870 is great. I personally hunt use one myself for hunting. But i will tell u what if some1 broke in my place and ne1 of my family was in neway shape or form in danger or risk of their lives that guy will get it. Send me to jail when im done but when it comes down to it ne1 on this sight would do the same thing if it came to family. No matter what country u are in.

[DSToyo]

i guess its all about your responcibility, but if people are shooting each other in your neighborhood and you feel you need to protect yourself, i would move. i do agree with the above however... i guess its good to have, it just sounds like you live in a really bad area.

This post has been edited by DSToyo: Apr 26, 2007 - 12:34 PM

[2slow2nervous]

lol when more ppl get guns bad things happen??? Alright think about it this way with everything that just happened at Virginia tech. For thos that dont kno what happened if u dont live in this country just pm i will tell u. If ppl in that school had the right to have a gun. That kid would never have taken out as many ppl as he did. After is first shot he would have been done. If ppl had the rite to carry their would be less violence because you never would kno what you would be getting ur self into if u would be to attempt something. Less robery less rape less lil old un armed helpess old ladies gettin beaten up and the lil damn perse stolen. No1 thinks about these things all they wanna do is see guns as a bad thing. Well U R Wrong

This post has been edited by 2slow2nervous: Apr 26, 2007 - 12:41 PM

[DSToyo]

^ok i see where you are coming from... but dont you think if everyone had a gun it MIGHT end up worse? its all about the persons responsibility. its just my opinion

[2slow2nervous]

Well lets see if it came down to leaving responsiblily to some1 or letting ppl keep gettin raped mugged beaten the hell outa for no reason, picked on just because u look diff its a chance that i would be willing to take just to eliminate ppl gettin hurt and tramatized for life because ppl are jerks and dont care what happens. No1 is just gonna go shoot a gun randomly specailly when they kno they will be arrest. Majority of the ppl will use for protection. Think about it with the law were u have no rites to carry... the jerk offs that wanna kill with the guns can still get them w.e they want on the black market! That person would be taken down newere he goes if he pulls that out and takes on shot by a citizen who is responsible and does not take that b.s. It deff make everything better and less crime.

This post has been edited by 2slow2nervous: Apr 26, 2007 - 12:47 PM

[Jen]

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. SO CUT IT OUT. If you don't agree with it, don't post. If do agree, post with some useful information pertaining to the TOPIC.

[ILuvMyCelica95]

^ Is it your thread?

someone's craaaanky.

I know my dad has a remington shotgun for hunting and he always says he loves it, just my imput on a good brand i guess.

I'm sorry you need a gun where you live.

[2slow2nervous]

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. SO CUT IT OUT. If you don't agree with it, don't post. If do agree, post with some useful information pertaining to the TOPIC.

i did i said the remington deff would be a great gun. I own one and it is very nice.

[DSToyo]

i too have only heard good things about remington... ur right that got out of hand, my fault.

[x_itchy_b_x]

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. SO CUT IT OUT. If you don't agree with it, don't post. If do agree, post with some useful information pertaining to the TOPIC.

this pertains the the thread how? at least I mentioned guns / home protection.

[2slow2nervous]

my beagel is great protection also lol... Victious lil thing.

[Mynzeyes]

^ok i see where you are coming from... but dont you think if everyone had a gun it MIGHT end up worse? its all about the persons responsibility. its just my opinion

Look at all the countries that have banned guns. There's really nothing more of an arguement against your hollow and uneducated opinion.

If you're afraid of guns and the effect they have, then don't get them. If you're intelligent and responsible, and want that "protection", go for it. Remington is always a good brand.

I myself went with Springfield-Armory, the XD series:
XD-9 w/ Lasermax tactical rail-mount laser (9mm service handgun, full grip, 4" barrel):


XD-40SC w/ pearce grip extension (.40cal sub-compact handgun, short grip, 3" barrel):


I know, not a shotgun, but still damn sexy. And damn fun at the range. .

[2slow2nervous]

very nice...

[manphibian]

^ok i see where you are coming from... but dont you think if everyone had a gun it MIGHT end up worse? its all about the persons responsibility. its just my opinion

Look at all the countries that have banned guns. There's really nothing more of an arguement against your hollow and uneducated opinion.

wtf is that supposed to mean?

[FreddyTheOthaMea...]

I got a kiddo so wife made me get rid of all the guns.. But she let me get a pretty cool sword collection in exchange hehe ;]

[Mynzeyes]

^ok i see where you are coming from... but dont you think if everyone had a gun it MIGHT end up worse? its all about the persons responsibility. its just my opinion

Look at all the countries that have banned guns. There's really nothing more of an arguement against your hollow and uneducated opinion.

wtf is that supposed to mean?

It means exactly what it says. Esp regarding Australia... Look it up.

[BLINKYxMUNKEY]

I have a Remington 1187 that I love shooting (mostly bird hunting), but shotguns aren't the best for protection. Handguns are great for protection. If you can, try and get a concealed weapons permit. I don't know how California laws are or anything.

[Negative]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up

No - any country that will not allow honest law-abiding citizens to own guns for home protection is fcuked up. Period. Do you think the criminals care if there is such a law? No - they are criminals - they break laws. This is so obvious it's retarded.

Exactly.

^ok i see where you are coming from... but dont you think if everyone had a gun it MIGHT end up worse? its all about the persons responsibility. its just my opinion

Look at all the countries that have banned guns. There's really nothing more of an arguement against your hollow and uneducated opinion.

wtf is that supposed to mean?

See above.

[Kwanza26]

white people...

[Davesceli]

But i will tell u what if some1 broke in my place and ne1 of my family was in neway shape or form in danger or risk of their lives that guy will get it. Send me to jail when im done but when it comes down to it ne1 on this sight would do the same thing if it came to family. No matter what country u are in.

i think 870 is gonna be the one i pick. I totally agree with you, if someone came into my home and endangered my family i'd definiately teach that punk a lesson he wouldn't soon forget.

My neighborhood ain't bad...its just i don't want to have to depend on cops coming to the rescue, they don't have the best track record in my city (not that cops are bad tho, just a LITTLE SLOW). Im not buying the gun with the intention to shoot anybody, im buying it for added protection and peace of mind. Is it wrong for me to want to defend myself should something happen???

[lagos]

white people...

[Kwanza26]

No - any country that will not allow honest law-abiding citizens to own guns for home protection is fcuked up. Period. Do you think the criminals care if there is such a law? No - they are criminals - they break laws. This is so obvious it's retarded.

That's not the point. It's a matter of availability. Because guns are legal... getting them is MUCH MUCH easier for the common criminal than say in a country where guns are illegal.

I agree with the fellow from the UK... America is f*cked up... but probably not for the same reason. Take Canada for example. Guns are legal there... but they don't kill each other like we do in America. Why? because they aren't ignorant morons who are afraid of every little thing.

[2slow2nervous]

Nope their is nothing wrong with it at all. Infact their is something wrong if u dont want to have some kind of protection. Its always better safe than sorry!

[lagos]

But i will tell u what if some1 broke in my place and ne1 of my family was in neway shape or form in danger or risk of their lives that guy will get it. Send me to jail when im done but when it comes down to it ne1 on this sight would do the same thing if it came to family. No matter what country u are in.

i think 870 is gonna be the one i pick. I totally agree with you, if someone came into my home and endangered my family i'd definiately teach that punk a lesson he wouldn't soon forget.

My neighborhood ain't bad...its just i don't want to have to depend on cops coming to the rescue, they don't have the best track record in my city (not that cops are bad tho, just a LITTLE SLOW). Im not buying the gun with the intention to shoot anybody, im buying it for added protection and peace of mind. Is it wrong for me to want to defend myself should something happen???

statistics show that most people who buy a gun for home protection end up never using it in that manor. accidental shootings, suicide or homicide are the most common result from buying a gun.

if you want to protect your home, buy a security system and better locks for your doors.

This post has been edited by lagos: Apr 26, 2007 - 2:22 PM

[2slow2nervous]

how about we do it this way.. Find the statistics that say when ppl buy guys thats mostly what happens... I would deff like to see that. Becuase its totall b.s. Im gonna stop now on this subject its just pissing me off horribly. But back to the main subject the 870 is the way to go. Its even a great gun for shooting up some clay pigons at the range! Its a great recreation sport to get into. Even get a bow and do some target shooting with that its actually a great challenge.

[Davesceli]

im not sure about those stats, my family has had guns in the family for as long as i can remember, no accidental shootings or murders or suicides. Many of my friends families are the same. But hey everyone has a right to their own opinion, if you feel a home security system is sufficent go on ahead and get one. I want last little bit of insurance...nothings gonna change a burglars mind more than the sound of the pump action on a shotgun!!!

yup im set on the remington. gonna be picking it up soon.

This post has been edited by Davesceli: Apr 26, 2007 - 2:30 PM

[jayi12-15psi]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

[Mynzeyes]

statistics show that most people who buy a gun for home protection end up never using it in that manor. accidental shootings, suicide or homicide are the most common result from buying a gun.

if you want to protect your home, buy a security system and better locks for your doors.

I want proof that over 51% of all gun purchases have resulted in that. Until that, you're just talking out of your ass, and you're just stating how you think things are.

That's like saying that 1 out of every 2 people that buy a gun end up having that gun cause an unintended, or unnecessary shooting.

That's ridiculous.

Prove it, or you're just full of even more shxt than you normally are.

[Kwanza26]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

Not really... but it's the thought that counts... right?

[Mynzeyes]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

Not really... but it's the thought that counts... right?

Mindless retaliation is always the best medicine. Duh.

[spolski07]

statistics show that most people who buy a gun for home protection end up never using it in that manor. accidental shootings, suicide or homicide are the most common result from buying a gun.

if you want to protect your home, buy a security system and better locks for your doors.

i want charts and graphs on this
cause you have nothing to back you up

[DSToyo]

i think 870 is gonna be the one i pick. I totally agree with you, if someone came into my home and endangered my family i'd definiately teach that punk a lesson he wouldn't soon forget.

My neighborhood ain't bad...its just i don't want to have to depend on cops coming to the rescue, they don't have the best track record in my city (not that cops are bad tho, just a LITTLE SLOW). Im not buying the gun with the intention to shoot anybody, im buying it for added protection and peace of mind. Is it wrong for me to want to defend myself should something happen???

i agree i see what you're saying now, i misread your posts before.
if you don't already have a security system, you might want to look into that, it'll provide even more protection and assurance which it seems you are looking for. and no i dont feel that it is wrong for someone to defend oneself.

[FlamingCelica]

Remington for the win!

~FlamingCelica

[Negative]

nothings gonna change a burglars mind more than the sound of the pump action on a shotgun!!!

The new home I'm moving in has an electronic security system. But the real deterrant is my pitbull to wake me up and bite his nuts to keep him busy long enough for me to get my gun. I pity anyone stupid enough to break into my house when I'm home.

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

[95CelicaST]

All this bickering makes me want to listen to some old school



..seriously guys?

This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Apr 26, 2007 - 3:20 PM

[manphibian]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

What an intelligent retort.

I personally am happy in the knowledge that almost all of the people i come into contact with do not have access to guns.

Part of the reason you feel the need to protect your home with guns is because it's so easy for every joker to get hold of one to rob you with.

Most of the people in the UK will never see a gun.

I think that's a good thing.

[hitcachi]

This is America! We love to go to our fast food chains and get our 55 gallon drums of coke, be morbidly obese, back out of world leader environmental conventions, be hypocrites, be completely obsessed over totally insignificant things like celebrities, and all the while shooting at each other. meh. At least we give the world something to talk about.

And back on topic, there is nothing wrong with owning firearms for home/personal security, and recreational use.

This post has been edited by hitcachi: Apr 26, 2007 - 3:32 PM

[Kwanza26]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

What an intelligent retort.

I personally am happy in the knowledge that almost all of the people i come into contact with do not have access to guns.

Part of the reason you feel the need to protect your home with guns is because it's so easy for every joker to get hold of one to rob you with.

Most of the people in the UK will never see a gun.

I think that's a good thing.

Unfortuantely that's how most Americans think...

Also... It's ok to own a gun. Some guys just have a really small penis and can't afford a big truck.

[2slow2nervous]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

What an intelligent retort.

I personally am happy in the knowledge that almost all of the people i come into contact with do not have access to guns.

Part of the reason you feel the need to protect your home with guns is because it's so easy for every joker to get hold of one to rob you with.

Most of the people in the UK will never see a gun.

I think that's a good thing.

yep so i rather pop the joker in the face with my gun b4 he gets a chance to pull the trigger in mine. Its called protection can never have enough. Ur prolly the guys that walks down the street everynite singin to ur self walkin a poodle thinkn the world is perfect. Ur wrong dude u need protection just for the fact that ppl art jerk offs and u can under estimate ne1. Or the one dooing the robbing with the weapons and thats y u dont want others to have em. Damn i gotta stop..... Have a gnite every1 i out this convo ugh

[Kwanza26]

yep so i rather pop the joker in the face with my gun b4 he gets a chance to pull the trigger in mine. Its called protection can never have enough. Ur prolly the guys that walks down the street everynite singin to ur self walkin a poodle thinkn the world is perfect. Ur wrong dude u need protection just for the fact that ppl art jerk offs and u can under estimate ne1. Or the one dooing the robbing with the weapons and thats y u dont want others to have em. Damn i gotta stop..... Have a gnite every1 i out this convo ugh

That's cause you's gangsta!

[x_itchy_b_x]

lol what happens when china attacks, or zombies start to rise out of the ground or mass hysteria happens and people start robbing houses.

also about other countries not havening guns. congrats on low shooting numbers.. but congrats on those Bludgeoning with blunt weapon charges. its just a tool. other countries have huge soccer game riots and looting through the streets. i mean we do to, just saying no matter what people will always be violent and stupid i guess.

[Negative]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

What an intelligent retort.

I personally am happy in the knowledge that almost all of the people i come into contact with do not have access to guns.

Part of the reason you feel the need to protect your home with guns is because it's so easy for every joker to get hold of one to rob you with.

Most of the people in the UK will never see a gun.

I think that's a good thing.

I admit that his reply wasn't particularly intelligent but I think he was not trying to be anything but funny.
To the meat of your arguement - I find it hard to believe that it is much more difficult for criminals in your country to get their hands on a gun. It's probably more expensive but the black market arms dealers are everywhere and in all countries.
I think the day someone breaks in your home at gunpoint and threatens/kills/rapes you or a loved one you will wish you had the right to own one and could have properly defended yourself.
And just for the record - I am not wishing anything bad to happen to you or your family. I sincerly hope nothing ever does. I just want you to understand our POV. Also this is one of the things we Americans are gauranteed as a right and have been since the founding of our country so we will naturally take offense to someone from elsewhere [especially the UK] telling us our country is fcuked up because of something we pride ourselves in. Also we are very sick and tired of people in our own country constantly nagging on about the same issue. It's pretty simple - if you don't wish to own a gun then don't. But don't try to take away the rights of others because you don't agree with them.

[manphibian]

I'm not trying to say your country is wrong, or that mine is better in any way. Just presenting my personal opinion.

It's not just criminals that kill people is it....

How many people die in accidents involving guns?
I'll look into it but i suspect there will be more accidental deaths than ones due to crime.

[Negative]

I'm not trying to say your country is wrong, or that mine is better in any way. Just presenting my personal opinion.

Me too. Different upbringings I would guess.

This post has been edited by Negative: Apr 26, 2007 - 4:31 PM

[Kwanza26]

I admit that his reply wasn't particularly intelligent but I think he was not trying to be anything but funny.
To the meat of your arguement - I find it hard to believe that it is much more difficult for criminals in your country to get their hands on a gun. It's probably more expensive but the black market arms dealers are everywhere and in all countries.
I think the day someone breaks in your home at gunpoint and threatens/kills/rapes you or a loved one you will wish you had the right to own one and could have properly defended yourself.
And just for the record - I am not wishing anything bad to happen to you or your family. I sincerly hope nothing ever does. I just want you to understand our POV. Also this is one of the things we Americans are gauranteed as a right and have been since the founding of our country so we will naturally take offense to someone from elsewhere [especially the UK] telling us our country is fcuked up because of something we pride ourselves in. Also we are very sick and tired of people in our own country constantly nagging on about the same issue. It's pretty simple - if you don't wish to own a gun then don't. But don't try to take away the rights of others because you don't agree with them.

I think Americans need to understand OTHER people's point of view more so than others understanding Americans. Ethnocentrism is rampant in this country because we are under the impression "America is number 1" when in fact we're probably not. Being the richest most powerful nation doesn't make a nation a great place to live. We don't treat each other particularly well. The greatness of America, if you look at history, probably died out in the 70's. No doubt we should be prideful, but be prideful in a way that asks "How can we be better" instead of always saying "Why isn't anyone as good".

As far as guns go... yeah... it's in the constitution... but If the fore-fathers could imagine refrigerators and supermarkets... they would probably have excluded that. Hell... if they excluded religion... guns ain't a thing....

[97lestyousay]

I skipped most of the pointless bickering and would like to
add I have put many rounds through an 870 mostly for trap
with very few problems. The Mossbergs I have used
seem to be prone to ejector problems. Guns are a very
delicate subject, lots of mixed opinions. Such topics usually
end up locked because of this. Good luck with this one.

[FlamingCelica]

Like my dad always taught me, its better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Hence why we have two, 30 gun safes full of various beauties. But yeah dont even bother with the mossberg just get the remington, much better quality.

~FlamingCelica

[Rayme]

No offence, but your country is f*cked up frown.gif

uh, better than your ****ty little island

What an intelligent retort.

I personally am happy in the knowledge that almost all of the people i come into contact with do not have access to guns.

Part of the reason you feel the need to protect your home with guns is because it's so easy for every joker to get hold of one to rob you with.

Most of the people in the UK will never see a gun.

I think that's a good thing.

yep so i rather pop the joker in the face with my gun b4 he gets a chance to pull the trigger in mine. Its called protection can never have enough. Ur prolly the guys that walks down the street everynite singin to ur self walkin a poodle thinkn the world is perfect. Ur wrong dude u need protection just for the fact that ppl art jerk offs and u can under estimate ne1. Or the one dooing the robbing with the weapons and thats y u dont want others to have em. Damn i gotta stop..... Have a gnite every1 i out this convo ugh

The problem with guns in protection is the "perfect scenario" where people explain the use of a gun in home protection, well, has to be perfect. I have to say, if somebody break into your house, just run away, that dude might have a gun or a knife, but if you're "stupid" enough to risk your life over personal belongings in your house, you should rethink values of life, seriously. Educate your kids to get out of the windows like when the fire alarm goes off...etc. Its not because its part of your constitution, your rights, that's it’s something "smart". There is better alternative out there than shooting whoever's in your house.

[m0dd3d1]

Here's a little knowledge your way...

Gun Statistics!
Gun Violence & Crime Statistics!

-triscuit


ps- sorry to Davesceli for getting soooo off topic! but thanks for the conversation piece.

This post has been edited by m0dd3d1: Apr 27, 2007 - 11:38 AM

[jayi12-15psi]

What an intelligent retort.

I guess it was about as intelligent as your little report on America

No offence, but your country is f*cked up

It's not like bad things don't happen in other places, you can't call us f*cked up because a shooting happened to take place here. It could have happened anywhere, including the United Kingdom.

Additionally, what's wrong with feeling like we're #1? Even if we aren't, who cares?


I'm not even sure why people sit there and debate gun control issues, someone will always have a gun, and someone will always die from a gun. Even if you destroyed each and every gun on the face of the Earth, someone would build one the very next day.

Alot of this relates to culture, I've taken a few criminology courses in my day and this is a common issue. I believe I remember the Japanese have a simple common attitude that if you carry a gun, you're not man enough to physically fight? If this is not true, I hope someone corrects this.

My roommate writes a collumn for a local newspaper that advocated conceal and carry on our local college campus with the argument that school shootings wouldn't occur on the basis that everyone is carrying a weapon. I disagree with him very strongly on this issue and when confronted by him requesting a better solution, I told him that I honestly have no viable solution. I then explained to him that I do not have to have a correct answer to a problem to know that other solutions are incorrect.

I do advocate gun control in public places, but at the same time I keep a remington 12 gauge pump action in a safe in my basement because I do believe in protecting what is mine.

[Red94Celica]

How about a .22 pistol instead of a shotgun

[j0e_p3t]

yeah, or how about a taser instead? or a bow and arrow? or nun-chucks? or a katana? dual katanas?!

[jayi12-15psi]

Although I am not some kind of hick, the gun is used when I go hunting.

I am by no means "country" but I do go hunting about once a year and the only gun I own is the remington I recently inherited from my grandfather

This combined with my big black truck would make kwanza think I'm compensating for having a small dick... which I don't really appreciate, and make some people think I'm some kind of ignorant bumkin American who is out of touch with society. I'm not that guy you see with the giant confederate or American flag on the back of his truck who drives around blasting a shotgun off. In short, I'm not some backwards hillbilly.



and if we've learned anything in the past, it's FERRARI drivers who require a penis pump.(citing past thread, you know the one)

This post has been edited by jayi12-15psi: Apr 27, 2007 - 6:50 PM

[97lestyousay]

Although I am not some kind of hick, the gun is used when I go hunting.

I'm not that guy you see with the giant confederate or American flag on the back of his truck who drives around blasting a shotgun off. In short, I'm not some backwards hillbilly.

Ahem, I put a flag in my truck after 9-11, I consider myself a patriot,
I was in the military for 12 years, and displayed it proudly on occasions.
You might cut the stereotypical crap before you piss off the people who
are on the same side.

[jayi12-15psi]

I'm patriotic as well, but there's a line between myself and some redneck who doesn't take the time to understand liberal perspective.

I'm not saying that's you, because I wasn't trying to make fun of people who are proud to wave a flag. I'm making fun of the people who wave the flag and act like rednecks, it makes us look bad and I'm hoping that's not you.

btw, wtf are you going to do if some guy on the internet makes stereo types? You gonna come over to my house and beat me up? along with everyone else that makes stereotypes?

and I like how you put the flag on after 9-11, like it was the first time you could ever show pride...

[slvr_celica_GT_8...]

get a bazooka

[97lestyousay]

I'm patriotic as well, but there's a line between myself and some redneck who doesn't take the time to understand liberal perspective.

I'm not saying that's you, because I wasn't trying to make fun of people who are proud to wave a flag. I'm making fun of the people who wave the flag and act like rednecks, it makes us look bad and I'm hoping that's not you.

btw, wtf are you going to do if some guy on the internet makes stereo types? You gonna come over to my house and beat me up? along with everyone else that makes stereotypes?

and I like how you put the flag on after 9-11, like it was the first time you could ever show pride...

I have shown pride in some form or another for my country all my life, I think 9-11
just reinforced it for a lot of people. Pointing at one group like you are superior in
some way is as narrow minded as saying guns kill and they should be outlawed. No I
don't drive around yelling yee-haw pointing guns where they shouldn't be if thats what
you would consider a redneck. I also stated I was in the military for 12 years, exactly
what have you done lately oh great patriotic one?

Edit: I am happy to listen to anyones views or opinions about guns, my view is that many
honest people own firearms and use them correctly, just like many people raise their
children well. A person that is law abiding will surrender there weapons if forced by law
to do so. The people who don't care about laws will continue to do so. I think it is a moral
issue rather than a simple fix by outlawing guns.

This post has been edited by 97lestyousay: Apr 27, 2007 - 11:36 PM

[jayi12-15psi]

Claiming that some groups are superior to others is often a narrow minded way to look at things, but there are acceptions to this idea.

For instance, if I claimed that white people are better than black people

-that is incorrect because so many black people have contributed to society and they cannot be labled as ignorant or uncaring towards general society

It is not narrow minded when the definition of the social group being refered to is based in part on ignorance. The term redneck refers to an inferior individual who, although patriotic, lacks understanding of other peoples viewpoints.


What have I done for my country?

I have lived here all of my life and I would gladly lay down my life for this country and its ideals. How dare you call my devotion into question? I have not gone to war for my country because I was too young for desert storm and I believe that the current war is not worth the death of any American.

What's going on in Iraq needs to be changed, but we are not the one's to solve everyones problems. I would gladly give my life for my fellow Americans, but not for Iraq.

You need to realize that not everyone agrees with the war in Iraq. Our country has spent billions of dollars with no resolve for a country that is not our own, billions of dollars that could have gone towards education and health care for our own people.

Next time you call someones devotion into question, call their devotion into question under circumstances that endanger the homeland. I can guarantee you that I will stand side by side any American in the event we are ever in danger.

Further more, if you read my arguements, I do not advocate outlawing guns at all. I simply do not belive that everyone should be granted the right to bear arms. Although it seems an oxi-moron(denying rights), the right to bear arms needs to be restricted(and is).


I'm not going to turn this into some kind of pissing contest to see who is the most patriotic, but being patriotic is represented on many levels.

My flag is flown high everyday it is appropriate and you have no right to call an American, such as myself, un-patriotic. Being patriotic is protecting American rights, and you should be patriotic for that reason and that reason alone, not to say "look at me, I've done more for my country than you have" Do it for the right reasons and I will be patriotic and, if necessary, die for the right reasons.

This post has been edited by jayi12-15psi: Apr 28, 2007 - 2:34 AM

[giang723]

Can everyone chillout please

i myself have not used one b4, a shottie that is, but it's probably best if you consult with an expert on this, cause all we're doing is confusing u and stirring each other up, but bear in mind thatshotguns are bulky and cause wide area damage, i think that any person would be scare if they had a gun pointed at them, but if u seriously consider getting one, the best option is to ask the experts, eg weapons instructors, police etc

This post has been edited by giang723: Apr 28, 2007 - 10:03 AM

[Red94Celica]

I'm pretty sure that this .22 pistol would intimidate an intruder just as much as a shotgun would. Plus, the chances of killing them with this would be lower...of course that depends on where you shoot.




This post has been edited by Red94Celica: Apr 28, 2007 - 10:37 PM

[carb0n_f1b3r]

^ Is it your thread?

someone's craaaanky.

lol

white people...

LOLx3

Anyway i keep a remington shotgun with a tac stock and barrel with heavy shot..and thats not effective as a defensive gun? 5ft from you your pattern is the size of a base ball 10ft a basket ball.. point shoot point shoot besides all i really need is my fav. form of protecting my valuable lawn furniture from frat boys

[Shocker]

22 pistils is great for beind gangster and talking about dues dues in your rap songs... But other than that theres no way im gonna point a 22 at someone especially if they are armed as well i dont want to take the risk of them shooting back at me i mean who want to shoot some one 15 times before he goes down..I say go big or go home..A shotgun is great for home defnce aslong as its not a hostage situation. 12gauge plus birdshot equals point and shoot satisfaction...

Also my grandfather tought me a very valuble rule............

Never point a gun at someone unless you intend to shoot them. sounds harsh but its the best thing ive ever heard to relating guns.

[b1gr3d]

WOW some people are a little too opinionated. i say for the bad ass factor just get a desert eagle lol. it might not have as nice of a spread but it will go through a wall, person and another wall.........ahh never mind just stick with a
all black home defense style shotgun, with extended magazine.

[97lestyousay]

and I like how you put the flag on after 9-11, like it was the first time you could ever show pride...

How dare you call my devotion into question?

So you don't like it either.

[jayi12-15psi]

waving your flag does not always equal devotion, it stands for alot of things such as pride. Just because you didn't fly your flag before 9/11 doesn't mean you weren't devoted.