Spurs vs Suns, Total BS Options

[Sh0gunkid8721]

Its sad that the most exciting playoff series has to end up this way. For those that don't know, the Suns and Spurs got into a lil scuffle at the end of Game 4 where the Suns were winning and had the game in the bag. Nash takes the inbounds pass and gets hipchecked into the announce table by Robert Horry. Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw left the bench area and immediately started to retreat and are now being penalized by the NBA for their action (or nonactions nontheless). So basically to sum it all up, the Suns (who were the victims in this game) gets penalized more for game 5 and it hurts the Suns more because the 2 players that got suspended for them are more valuable to their team. Poor Nash this series gets a busted nose, kneed in the groin and now gets hipchecked into the announce tables.

If i was Mike D'antoni, I would take my worst player and have him foul Tim Duncan hard to instigate a fight. If i was every NBA coach i would send out my worst player to foul the opponents star player. This is a bogus rule that must be changed. Any thoughts?

This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: May 16, 2007 - 2:59 PM

[dustin15brown]

If i was Mike D'antoni, I would take my worst player and have him foul Tim Duncan hard to instigate a fight. If i was every NBA coach i would send out my worst player to foul the opponents star player.

that is VERY immature... The league has this rule because teams and players have enough common sense to not abuse it. It would be MORE unfair in my opinion if star platyers received 'special' treatment in terms of penalization... Bottom line is that Amare and Boris left the bench, and were punished accordingly.

[SlickRick]

yeah bad call by David Stern, its gonna cost the Suns the series. Its like rewarding Horry for a cheap shot. Horrible call my the commish, the players union should put in a an immediate grievance and appeal the suspension and maybe they can play in the next game.

[illneversellmyce...]

horry should be gone for the rest off the playoffs not jsut 2 games, didin he knee nash in the nuts too or was that someone else

anyway spurs are dirty....nash has had his nose bloodied bad, kneed in the huts and then hockey checked out of bounds wtf, this is basketball not football.......I dont even liek the suns or nba, but the suns are getng the shaft on this one

its obivous their trying to take out the best player, their should be rules against taht and stiffer penatlies for purposly trying to hurt or single out a player liek that

yeah but a bunch of spur players and suns players left the bench also, suspense everyone???????? according to the rule you would

[SlickRick]

horry should be gone for the rest off the playoffs not jsut 2 games, didin he knee nash in the nuts too or was that someone else

anyway spurs are dirty....nash has had his nose bloodied bad, kneed in the huts and then hockey checked out of bounds wtf, this is basketball not football.......I dont even liek the suns or nba, but the suns are getng the shaft on this one

its obivous their trying to take out the best player, their should be rules against taht and stiffer penatlies for purposly trying to hurt or single out a player liek that

yeah but a bunch of spur players and suns players left the bench also, suspense everyone???????? according to the rule you would

well i dont think the Sun's should be the one hurt by Horry, i mean the Sun's loose 2 of their best players for leaving the bench, and the rule is that a player may not leave the bench during an "altercation" i dont think Horry fouling Nash is an altercation. Stern messed this one up.

[Sh0gunkid8721]

If i was Mike D'antoni, I would take my worst player and have him foul Tim Duncan hard to instigate a fight. If i was every NBA coach i would send out my worst player to foul the opponents star player.

that is VERY immature... The league has this rule because teams and players have enough common sense to not abuse it. It would be MORE unfair in my opinion if star platyers received 'special' treatment in terms of penalization... Bottom line is that Amare and Boris left the bench, and were punished accordingly.

this rule was made so that certain situations does not escalate into anything more like the incident at the palace in detroit. In this case Amare and Diaw did nothing to escalate the situation. Its jjust a matter of COMMON SENSE which Stern clearly lacks. this is a team...teams that stick together all year and it is a natural instinct to get up off the bench and walk towards the action when your star teammate gets knocked down. believe it or not but there are people out there that try to break up the fight and act as a peacemaker. In the case of Diaw and Stoudemire, they took 5 steps away from the bench before turning away and their intentions clearly were not harmful.

and no it is not immature its smart. i would take advantage of that rule to show how dumb of a rule it is. my intention would not be to injure a player but to start an altercation. if Stern is going to be so anal about that rule, then id use it to my advantage. u should be innocent till proven guilty. its a natural instinct to get up off the bench to aid your teammate. Stern needs to go cuz he's ruining the league...not just because of this one rule but for many other reasons as well.

Stoudemire and Diaw gets suspended one game each for taking a couple steps away from the bench and Bowen gets nothing for kneeing Nash in the groin? Yeaaa...good one Stern. Prior to this game Stoudemire already had heated words for Ginoboli and Bowen, and the rest of the Spurs saying that they play dirty, and they proved it here that they do play dirty. Stoudemire reacted and did nothing wrong.

This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: May 16, 2007 - 7:40 PM

[Sh0gunkid8721]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUbAiclbijA


heres what happened and i agree with Barkley 1000000%. If anything, Raja Bell should have been the one suspended.

This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: May 16, 2007 - 7:35 PM

[dustin15brown]

Amare deserved the suspension without question. No it's not "natural" to get up, being as though I played basketball and have been in Nash's position... people on the team held their cool and stayed on the bench...

[Sh0gunkid8721]

Amare deserved the suspension without question. No it's not "natural" to get up, being as though I played basketball and have been in Nash's position... people on the team held their cool and stayed on the bench...

I have played basketball as well so whats your point and i have been in that situation where we've been involved in brawls. Obviously your team werent as closely bonded as most teams because most benches would not have stayed in that situation. Its a shame that u guys wouldnt go out on a limb to help ur teammates even if it was attempting to break up the fight. Believe whatever u want but its a bogus rule...most people with common sense would agree. Then if this is the situation, and if a fight breaks out at school, then everybody thats standing around or that walks towards the fight should be suspended from school as well or given some kinda punishment as the people who were involved in the fight? BS. I personally think that fights are somewhat good for the game. If a fight happens let it go and then give out the punishment as need be. Did Amare break the stupid rule? Yes, but there are always exceptions to a rule and sometimes u should be capable of bending a rule here and there. The NBA should have looked at the player they were trying to suspend. Is he a troublesome player like Ron Artest? If Artest was involved, he shouldve been suspended because of his history, but Amare is a model athlete and a class act and in no way would he ever do anything to jeopardize somebody else. The NBA will look into this rule next year and will fix it. If there are no punches or physical altercations, then there should be no suspension, plain and simple. A fine and booted from the game would be good enough, but to suspend somebody in a crucial game for something he didnt do, is just wrong and irresponsible. These guys work way too hard through the year to get something like this just snatched away from them.

Stern needs to go. not for this one reason, but i believe he is prejudice as well. I used to like Stern but lately he's been abusing his power way too much.

This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: May 17, 2007 - 6:39 PM

[SlickRick]

Amare deserved the suspension without question. No it's not "natural" to get up, being as though I played basketball and have been in Nash's position... people on the team held their cool and stayed on the bench...

i see where your coming from Dustin, but the rule is if a player gets off the bench during an "altercation" there was no altercation, the rule is meant to stop a small fight from turning into a big one, there was no fight in the first place, if there was a fight and then they got up thats fine, but there was no altercation in there first place.

[Sh0gunkid8721]

Amare deserved the suspension without question. No it's not "natural" to get up, being as though I played basketball and have been in Nash's position... people on the team held their cool and stayed on the bench...

i see where your coming from Dustin, but the rule is if a player gets off the bench during an "altercation" there was no altercation, the rule is meant to stop a small fight from turning into a big one, there was no fight in the first place, if there was a fight and then they got up thats fine, but there was no altercation in there first place.

There was an altercation but it did not involve Amare. I know what the rule is and if your goin strictly from the rulebook, Amare should be suspended, but this is clearly a decision that involves common sense. Amare has no past history of fighting on or off the field and being a troublemaker. The only person from the Suns that shouldve been suspended was Raja Bell and he didnt get anything. He was clearly the instigator.

[SlickRick]

Amare deserved the suspension without question. No it's not "natural" to get up, being as though I played basketball and have been in Nash's position... people on the team held their cool and stayed on the bench...

i see where your coming from Dustin, but the rule is if a player gets off the bench during an "altercation" there was no altercation, the rule is meant to stop a small fight from turning into a big one, there was no fight in the first place, if there was a fight and then they got up thats fine, but there was no altercation in there first place.

There was an altercation but it did not involve Amare. I know what the rule is and if your goin strictly from the rulebook, Amare should be suspended, but this is clearly a decision that involves common sense. Amare has no past history of fighting on or off the field and being a troublemaker. The only person from the Suns that shouldve been suspended was Raja Bell and he didnt get anything. He was clearly the instigator.

thats were things get wierd, what really is an alltercation, and how far is "off the bench" and u dont know Amare's intentions. did he get up 2 fight or 2 check on his player? none the less it was a bone head suspension by Stern. the rule needs to be put under review, and the rules say "if a player left the bench area" what the hell is the bench area?

[dustin15brown]

Amare was top 3 in the NBA for technical fouls this year.... Only trailing to Rasheed if I remember right... He has an attitude... And me and my team were very close, but it's called discipline... Pure and simple... Also, you cannot make the direct corrolation between highschool fights and NBA fights. These guys are paid MILLIONS to go play a game... They sign their contracts agreeing to the rule, there's a players union to argue cases. I would also say there was an alcercation, watch the replay. Between Raja Bell at the beginning and then Nash jumping up, running to Horry and pushing him... That's an altercation

[Sh0gunkid8721]

Amare was top 3 in the NBA for technical fouls this year.... Only trailing to Rasheed if I remember right... He has an attitude... And me and my team were very close, but it's called discipline... Pure and simple... Also, you cannot make the direct corrolation between highschool fights and NBA fights. These guys are paid MILLIONS to go play a game... They sign their contracts agreeing to the rule, there's a players union to argue cases. I would also say there was an alcercation, watch the replay. Between Raja Bell at the beginning and then Nash jumping up, running to Horry and pushing him... That's an altercation

Technicals this year mean NOTHING. This year, refs gave away the most technicals in league history...OF course that's another one of Stern's retarded emphasis (another way he';s abusing his power...giving refs way too much power). You'll get a technical for throwing your hands in the air, and if you consider that causing trouble, then i guess ur a perfect angel. Tim Duncan got into it with a ref this year. SO does that make Duncan a troublemaker? According to you i guess so.

I remember the late 80's and early 90's...rivalries between the Lakers and Celtics. Pistons and Bulls. Isiah vs Jordan. Bad Boys vs Lakers. People remember those rivalries because of the fights and pushing and shoving and the intensity. If it was up to Stern, Jordan, Thomas, Bird, Rambis, Worthy, would have all been suspended of course. What a great rivalry that woulda been. The most memorable games in NBA history are those that have that kinda intensity. Thats why the NY Knicks and Miami Heat rivalries were so intense and so memorable. Now classic games in the NBA are distant memories...all thanks to Stern.

And YOU made the corrolation first about high school basketball so dont turn that back around at me.

This post has been edited by Sh0gunkid8721: May 19, 2007 - 12:48 AM