how to convert to RWD Options

[peroxwhysm00]

basically how do you go about to do this ?

[lagos]

about 20-40 grand would do it.
this is not a DIY type of project.

[devilsden97]

u first say "**** it"

then sell your celica and buy an factory AWD car.

honesly only a handful of people have done this, and its an ENORMOUS amount of work

[Hanyo]

I've always wanted to ask this question.. why bother converting to RWD when we already have the fwd components.

Might as well do all wheel drive.

[playr158]

I'm converting to RWD......

A)pick your motor
b) if you're lucky you'll find a tranny to bolt to it for RWD, in the case of the 3sgte u need a 2s bellhousing (hard to find)
c) well i havn't gotten to this part yet

its very very expensive....1 person has in on a 6gc his SN is hardtarget (?) with a 5sgte RWD but its a dragstrip car

why do we do it? why not do it? this community and cars for that matter wouldn't evolve if crazy things didn't happen

so yes it can be done DIY....but it takes LOTS of resources, money and experience


This post has been edited by playr158: Jun 4, 2007 - 1:27 PM

[devilsden97]

this coming from the man whos celica is a myth....i dont believe it exists..


suprica
to
shell
to
wtf are u calling it now dan? lol

<3's Craddle.

[Hanyo]

does the 6gc have a big enough transmission tunnel to accommodate a real rwd transmission?

[Kadett]

does the 6gc have a big enough transmission tunnel to accommodate a real rwd transmission?

Nope and thats why its not done very often

[Hanyo]

i always thought the main reason why it was not done because you needed a whole new rear end.

The fwd celica's has the gas tank right where the differential will need to be. So you would need to remove the gas tank and maybe cut away the rear spare tire well.

I guess a way to avoid the transmission tunnel modificatoin would be to use the AWD transmission and modify it to only drive the transfer case. Then you would pretty much be a GT4 that is rwd.

But this brings up my question again. If your going to do all the work for rwd, why bother when you already have the FWD components already. Might as well install the two front axels and get AWD!

[devilsden97]

i just noticed...y is this in the FI forum?

[coldbluesteel]

Funny to see this! I'm doing this now. Details not final, but doing it. I've had my Celica since 97 and am deeply in love with her. After I was hit by a drunk driver last year I started gutting it to completely restore it to better than new. The way I see it I would rather spend 10, 20, 30 thousand on my Celica than buy some new car that doesn't have any soul like my Celi. So while I'm at it might as well make it a beast since it's down to the unibody anyway. Something ridiculously powerful, rwd, fun to drive. I had the 5s built as much as possible a couple years ago (NA) and it was fun, but alot of traction problems and not as fun. I really enjoy driving my 4runner (rwd) more. So RWD it is.

[Supersprynt]

drive backwards.

[coldbluesteel]

drive backwards.

That's how I got hit!

[playr158]

^dumbnut


But no we do not know if the tunnel will fit the transmission, and it depends which tranny/bellhousing/motor combo you decide to use along with what rear end you decide to use.....

My setup for my personal goals and car use is going to be

ST205 3sgte
2s bell housing
Supra W58 rebuilt and fortified transmission
(and thats just the easy part to figure out)

I'm still not sure what rear end is usable (if the ST205 does thats awesome) otherwise gotta look for celicasupras or Corollas as a donor a$$
i know the celicasupra/corolla rear ends will mechanically work but fitment to the celica wise thats a different story.

this is a very very very very very 15/10 difficultly level project, that requires LOTS and LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of research, planning, and 100% accuracy in the work.

and MIgga

it was
~celica
~suprica
~suprica V2
~Shell
~Shell w/curren
~Shell w/curren + RHD
~ "this is the next step"

the current term for the car is "progress blocked by insufficient flow of money"

[Kwanza26]

But no we do not know if the tunnel will fit the transmission, and it depends which tranny/bellhousing/motor combo you decide to use along with what rear end you decide to use.....

No the tunnel will NOT fit a true RWD tranny. There is also the problem of the steering rack being in the way.

I'm still not sure what rear end is usable (if the ST205 does thats awesome) otherwise gotta look for celicasupras or Corollas as a donor a$$
i know the celicasupra/corolla rear ends will mechanically work but fitment to the celica wise thats a different story.

Celica/Supra (3rd gen celica are IRS like 2nd gen+ Supras) and Corolla rear ends are different (1st and second gen celicas have the smaller solid 6.5 rear I believe, like the early rwd corolla SR5's), likewise the ST205 rear end is completely different. For one... the Corollas are solid axle. IMO, the best and easiest rear end to swap in would be the ST205, and by easy I just mean easier than the other two mentioned. It's easier, or would be easier because all of the rear links and such along with rear frame already match up to the width of the body. The next easiest would be some sort of solid rear. The only issue would be some sort of custom 4 link and panhard set-up, along with a very custom shock and spring set-up. I don't think the stock locations are gonna work. That said... the corolla rear end (6.7) is way too small if you plan on anything more than 150-200 ft lbs of torque. I'd reccomend a 1st gen Supra rear end. 7.5 inch diff with rear disc brakes.

The 3rd gen Celica Supras are all IRS... but they're significantly different and will need a LOT of custom work along with a custom rear subframe for everything to work correctly. I'd rather source a ST165/185 rear end instead because they use a multi-link rear similar to the FWD models.

Anyway... no point to do this. You can buy a BRAND NEW car instead. A BMW 3 series is a nice FR platform.

[playr158]

sure there is point.....to do something that hasn't been done

my goal is to use the ST205....i only know the corolla rear would "mechanically" work because well i've seen them haha, but fitment wise like i said i have no clue about....i'm shooting for the ST205 rear end but like i said i'm stuck at purchasing the bell housing to do more research, learning and money gathering

[Kwanza26]

sure there is point.....to do something that hasn't been done

But it has been done before... just not for street use.

Anyway... that was never a good enough reason for me. Originallity can either be complete crap or completly pointless. Rarely is it cool.

BTW... rumors are Toyota is gonna build a new FR car based on the IS platform. I think it was in Road and Track or something... so you never know. Even Hyundai is gonna release a FR Coupe soon... with a FI 4 banger... Unfortunately it's a hyundai... but that's pretty cool none the less... and it'll probably be cheap.

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Jun 4, 2007 - 5:06 PM

[Defgeph]

I have mixed feelings about the conversion. Being AWD or RWD.

Lets look at a few things. The majority of AWD swaps are for sale..... Why would you sell something that you put money, blood, sweat, and tears into. I'm dieing for another project car, but I wouldn't dare sell mine for one. Something is not right. I don't believe these AWD swaps are running correctly. Now, I said majority not all conversions.

I'm sure there are a couple that are running well. Those are not for sale. Think about it.

RWD conversion. Utterly pointless unless you are building a Pro import drag racer. Its going to take a ton of experience, time, and money. At this point you wouldn't be driving a Celica. You be driving a Mini tubbed drag chassis. Why else you would convert a car to RWD unless you were going all the way. If you want RWD, buy a factory RWD. We at 6GC will still love you even if you switch teams.


AWD or RWD conversion. Not easy.

[OrbitalGT95]

Buy my skyline powered s14 if u want a rwd car, 10k takes her

[celicaST]

the current term for the car is "progress blocked by insufficient flow of money"

aint that the truth