4afte Done! :), yay. Options

[Blakout16]

I plan to do it, i just started saving money for it like 2 days and i've already somehow come up with 600 dollars so im well on my way.
my plans are very simple - i'll be happy with 200 hp, even less.
so honestly dont even mention 3sgte.
i'll get my goals with this and its a nice starter.
i've had my car for 5 years now and havent done nething major
im keeping this kind of like a weblog post style, as far as parts that im going is still out there. researching before i decide to ask stupid questions
i do know one thing tho.
-Parts List: Dont Have.
I DONT NEED NETHING ELSE! muhaha
-----------------------------------
-Do Have:
Garrett T3 Airesearch 40 Trim Turbo $500 (for both manifold and turbo)
log-style turbo manifold
380cc Deka Top Feed High Impedence Injectors $75
Vortech 12:1 FMU $40
4afe exhaust manifold gasket $25
10k HiD kit from cupable $134
Greddy Type S BoV (thks to Jester ) $75
MR2 2 Bar Map Sensor $80
Oil relocation kit from trans-dapt part number ZX282564 $45
Greddy Emanage Ultimate $450 !! OMG, STOLEN haha ;D
Supra NA Walbro pump 255 lph. $99
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs ($9 each)
oil restrictor $19
braided oil feed/return lines $44 + $ 28
Rogue Works FMIC $260
TurboXS Dual Stage MBC $210









jessica likes turbo.

completely assembled and waiting

boost and a/fm

showing what i had to modify to make it fit

full shot engine-bay before i started cleaning

taped off and ready to paint!

she needs some cleaning

she's kind of dirty

stripped out the back half of the interior (left the tire in at the time because the next day i was heading up to seattle)

after the first coat.


This post has been edited by Blakout16: Dec 7, 2007 - 1:01 AM

[95CelicaST]

didn't you swap in a 4AFE?

[Blakout16]

actually, i did. but, yet again they're near identical engines so saying 4afte'er isnt quite as the in crowd
on a follow up on the 4afe swap, i've had a run with another friend of mine who owns a 97 celica st, and im quite impressed on how much quicker the 4afe is to the 7afe

and if u were wondering its japanese spec 4afe, which is rated @ 115 hp @6000 rpm (which is identical to the US spec 7afe), i have yet to find the torque numbers for the 4afe japanese spec, but in all the places i've read about the make of 4afe its naturally a much torquier engine due to its narrow valve angle.

side note : engine miles - 39,428. she's a youngin'




i love getting parts!! <3

authentic greddy type s bov. thanks to jester

12:1 FMU and Mr2 2 Bar Map Sensor!

mmm what am i up to ?

New Parts! woo. oil feed/return!


showing what i did awhile ago... painted the valve cover ;D

rep it, and rep it soooo hard.


This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:39 PM

[95CelicaST]

this might interest you...

http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/pts/406786883.html

[Blakout16]

thanks! ;D thats huge help, ill contact the seller.
news: getting in conact with local dyno/tuner to see what piggyback they prefer.

i contacted the seller on that turbo/manifold/blowoff valve.
turbo has been rebuilt/balanaced.
going up there sunday to take a look and most likely buy it.

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Aug 30, 2007 - 2:22 PM

[95CelicaST]

Awesome. If you're coming over to the PNW side of the mountain (Coming over via Hwy 410) you should give me a call.

[Blakout16]

yeah! go ahead and pm me the number, ill get in contact with you then.
im still researching alot on what i should get but so far the parts lists is getting more steady! im all over the rolla' forums on parts list because they have the 4afe in their cars as well.

[Blakout16]

so i came down to boost control. only two routes to go, manual or electronic. feel free to post what route i should go.
going in tomorrow to talk to brian from autometrics, the local dyno/tune shop. i just swung by there today to check things out! the owner had a Porsche 911 Turbo running @ 512hp. jealous much? aye!

i did some research on the Garrett Airesearch T3 Turbo, came out of a lotus espirit - runs to ~23 psi just fine which is well within my goals of 200 hp.
with a 40 trim .42 a/r compressor wheel and standard T3 trim .48 a/r turbine wheel.

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Aug 30, 2007 - 8:36 PM

[Blakout16]

(condensing to first post)
beautiful aint she
soon to be mine!

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:28 PM

[Celiracer18]

i have the injectors and a 12:1 FMU if you want just PM me or something

[Blakout16]

but no one thinks this 200 hp is too high of a goal? cuz i have nearly an identical build to a corolla with a us spec 4afe that made 214hp on 14psi and ran strong for about 2 years on that same boost.
i wont be boosting nearly close to that to daily, probably 7psi.
14psi for track days.

[Celiracer18]

i was going to try for 220hp on mine before life smacked me upside the head and made me realize that i didnt have the time for it.

[Blakout16]

Question: would the Walbro 255lph pump for a SC400 (part number# GSS 342) be a direct fit, and is 107$ a fair price for this? (after shipping)

i read the stickie on the right one, i was just double checking

also, should i get an FPR?

pictures of my new goodies will come later on today ::

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Sep 2, 2007 - 7:34 AM

[Blakout16]

bump
and nevermind, finally i just decided to dive deep into some lancer forums to find my FPR question
which is no, the FMU will do it.

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Sep 2, 2007 - 9:19 PM

[Blakout16]

jessica likes turbo.

completely assembled and waiting

boost and a/fm

showing what i had to modify to make it fit

full shot engine-bay before i started cleaning

taped off and ready to paint!

she needs some cleaning

she's kind of dirty

stripped out the back half of the interior (left the tire in at the time because the next day i was heading up to seattle)

after the first coat.

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Sep 2, 2007 - 9:29 PM

[Valo666]

what kinda a/f gauge is that??..looks kinda funky. also any plans for thouse headers after the turbos on?? *hint hint*

[95CelicaST]

hmmm I wonder if the headers would fit the 20V...

[Blakout16]

im not sure what brand the A/F gauge is - i bought it off the same guy who i bought the turbo off of. its a single wire o2 sensor A/F gauge. its basically a light show
as for the header, im not sure. as for fitment on the 20v, the only difference between the 4age 20v and the 4afe 16v is the head. not like ur only 2 hours away to check if u wanted!

[Blakout16]

bump for small update

[normality78]

good one. keep it going

[Blakout16]

what size oil feed / return line should i run?

[Celiracer18]

-3AN feed and -10AN return

[Blakout16]

cool, thks
what if the kit im looking at is a -4an feed ?
another question, how long should the feed/return lines be... i got options : Return - 18" - 24" // Feed - 36" - 48"
"

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Sep 5, 2007 - 1:28 AM

[x_itchy_b_x]

im running a -4an line with an oil restrictor just before the turbo.

[Blakout16]

still wondering about the length of the oil lines.
and what spark plugs should i run ?

[Blakout16]

update with prices.

[Blakout16]

bump for more updates.
ordered a new exhaust manifold gasket
and a porsche 911 turbo emblem lol

[Blakout16]

bump - i hate bumping so much but i got alot of updates
ordered 6gc.net stickers from lew (represent! )
and also ordered the 10k HID Kit 9006 from cupable.

[Celiracer18]

lookin forward to seeing this

[Blakout16]

i've had thought of going with a full autometer gauges instead of what i was going with.... im looking at the prices of Phantom Autometer with a full range sweep for boost. and electrical gauges for wideband o2 sensor and EGT gauge 0-1600F. i dont really know the prices at this time - i can bet their spendy

also,
i went down the Les Schwab and got a price quote on brand new toyo proxy r1's (i think thats the name) really sticky tires for my 17" rims. ~$500 dollars for all 4.

maybe for next summer when i saved up money i would have gotten 2 semi slicks for the front.

[95CelicaST]

Just don't run from the po-po's and ruin them

[jason]

t1r's are aresome!!!! even in the rain they are amazing =) just dont burn them up doing burnouts with your new found power....

[Blakout16]

haha ur so funny matt! ... *sizzle* not

[95CelicaST]

well I try...

[Blakout16]

bump
i just basically stole a EMU... some one was selling it with a full harness for 450 bucks.... i almost fainted
will keep updated to see if i get it or not... still up in the air

[Blakout16]

small update, started to receive a couple things !
lol
(condensing to first post)

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:31 PM

[95CelicaST]

Hey, if you want me to go pick up that oil pan you need to call/text/paypal me.

[Blakout16]

small update:
got some parts!

packing peanuts!!! thats it....
(condensing to first post)

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:32 PM

[Blakout16]

(condensing to third post)

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:35 PM

[y2komar]

very nice toys

[95CelicaST]

mmm what am i up to ?

I don't know, but you should text me and fill me in

[jesterwr217]

haha your welcome for the bov

[Blakout16]

(condensing to to third post)

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:37 PM

[Blakout16]

(condensed to the third post)
went all out with the fiberglassing and im molding those 2 together.
this is slightly after a smoothing stage to get everything smoothed out and get ready for sanding+paint!

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 6, 2007 - 3:38 PM

[95CelicaST]

Quick little bump for Aaron...

I went to the local junkyard and scored a 4AFE oil pan from a later corolla for a -10 an fitting... complete with rod fragments and other sharp little metal shavings.

I brought it home and drowned it in a whole lot of gunk.

There were a lot of surface scratches and the pan looked real ugly, so I gathered up various grit sandpaper and started cleaning it up and prepping for some paint (which will come after the oil return line fitting is installed), but I kind of liked it the way it is... provided I have more than an hour with it again.

Hand sanding ftw


edit - Aaron, when you get the package (Thursday) make sure you don't throw out my shop towel... I'll be coming for it!

This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Sep 26, 2007 - 12:32 AM

[Blakout16]

ooo the oil drain plug is on the opposite side of mine... interesting!

[Blakout16]

bump for big update on the first page

[Blakout16]

so the big thing is - am i missing anything?...

[Celiracer18]

that oil pan looks like it would be way easier to find a good spot to tap into than the 7afe 2piece pan.

[95CelicaST]

Bump for one of the FI guru's to look at the first post...

[Culpable04]

I don't know much, but where is the boost controller ? is not listed.

[95CelicaST]

I don't know much, but where is the boost controller ? is not listed.

TurboXS Dual Stage MBC $210

[Culpable04]

I don't know much, but where is the boost controller ? is not listed.

TurboXS Dual Stage MBC $210

I'm soooo great....I mean blind !

he doesn't have a wideaband which would be great to have to monitor the A/F ratio, but is not nessesary to have everything working properly.

Good luck !

[95CelicaST]

Actually I think he has one... might not be listed, but we were just texting to and fro about how he's going to fit the adapter for his wideband through the firewall.

[Valo666]

whered u get the log style manifold from??

[95CelicaST]

Some guy was selling the whole 4AFE manifold, turbo, wastegate, and downpipe on craigslist.

[Blakout16]

yup came as a whole - with a knock off greddy bov which i replaced.

[normality78]

wat's the update?

[Blakout16]

recieved the FMIC - its freaking awesome and the injectors will be here next wednesday!

[95CelicaST]

And I'll be there Friday.

[Blakout16]

update, my FMIC from Rogue Works LLC with a little size representation. thats a foot long shoe !

[95CelicaST]

You need to go get some mounting hardware for that intercooler.

[Blakout16]

maybe i can get my exhaust shop to weld on a mounting bracket so i can screw it into ze frame...

[95CelicaST]

yous going to leave me a key to get in on Friday?

[Blakout16]

no, you have to stand out in the rain haha, jk! sure ill leave you a house key... i dont even use mine nemore cuz i have the garage door opener.

[95CelicaST]

You should talk to Lagos about the IC mounting. I don't remember where I saw it, but he explained an inexpensive way to mount it level.


.... gone back to thinking of the AE111....

[Blakout16]

you and you're stinky 4age! we need to have a go at it before i turbo it, so i can show you the awesome power of 4afe. less valves = awesome. hahah @.@
neways, i spent 3 hours today filing-sanding-polishing my bov flang bit of my intercooler piping, tomorrow i get started on my oil pan! with the bung welded on it.
he he - im sorry matt! i'm just putting a little work into it... you can finish it if you want to ! <3 cuz im sure u'll do a better job

(side note) my injectors are scheduled to arrive here on the 18th! haha woo cutting it close eh ! ;D talk about some suckage if it goes late. i will still do the build/tune neways reguardless if i get them, i will just have to install the 12:1 FMU in hope of some increase in fuelage, for the time being - but i will most likely recieve the new 380cc injectors and not have to worry.

[95CelicaST]

In about 15 hours we will be tearing into this! Woot!

[95CelicaST]

Alright kiddies. I got here at 11PM Friday and we got to work. It is now 5:30AM and we're wrapping up for now. We have done everything we can until the stores open.

First things first... pull the battery and exhaust manifold.

We then drained the oil!


Once out we had plenty of room to set up the oil filter relocation kit...

Here is where we are mounting it. (thats the passenger side)

Next was fitting the turbo manifold. This was a little complicated, as the manifold would hit the alternator bracket, so we took a file/grinder to the corner and were able to get it on fine.

While all of this was happening, Aaron was underneath pulling the oil pan.

And this is how she sits now.


This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Oct 20, 2007 - 8:02 AM

[Valo666]

very nice...keep the pics coming.

[Blakout16]

Alright, I'll post earlier today...

Well we went to sleep at like 7 this morning and we rolled out off the couch at 11 and got back to work..

So we start our day...


Aaron went to pull out the stock fuel pump and put in the Walbro pump... but the d*** thing is not loosening up for no one. We all got back in there and had a shot at it! We used, WD40, Liquid wrench, and PB blaster... Not moving.


So we make a few phone calls... please disregard Robert's obscene gesture in the background.


And we move on to the IC mounting.


And make it pretty...


And then we took a break.


Bumper test fit..



And we finally got the stock oil pan off.


And the new one installed.


Thats what we have as of now. We'll be working on it until the wee morning hours, so I might update this again in a bit.

EDIT: apparently I'm logged in AS Aaron...

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 20, 2007 - 11:45 PM

[kerosene]

looks like you guys are having a blast!

Were you burning oil before you replaced the oil pan? If so, did the burning stop after you replaced it?

[95CelicaST]

I don't think he burned any oil before.. who knows if he will after because we are still waiting on a few parts...

We have been cutting some IC piping and getting what we can set up for that. We clocked the turbo to make things a bit easier as well.

[kerosene]

Now, do you think the oilpan is one of the "oil burning" problems with the 7afe, i remember my mechanic told me its either there or the seals on i think the valves, or pistons...dont remember exactly...

[Blakout16]

that might be an issue with the 7afe, but i clearly do not have a 7afe

[kerosene]

yep i know, just thinking about it in general if it might help... btw i like your signature... lol!!

[Blakout16]

a some what update - without pictures.

i got the fuel pump out. i cut the fuel line off from the outlet. i will later show pictures on how im going to fix it - if neone runs into the same problem.
we did some IC piping work. i have to get ride of the windshield washer fluid reservoir meh! oh well i never use it neways.
i did more clocking of the turbo.
earlier, we removed one radiator fan on the passenger side - i later (by myself) realized i needed to instead remove the passenger side, to remove the driver side. so i put the passenger side fan back on and took the driver side off.
the reason for this was the intercooler charge pipe was in the way
also, i bolted up the oil pan all the way on.
- starting to remove the intake manifold to get ready to put the new injectors in.
- already have much earlier put the mr2 2bar map sensor in.
-cutting the bumper some more so the intercooler piping will fit (oh joy!)

[95CelicaST]

So I took all of that dirt to the eye for no reason?

I'm on my dialup so I'm not going to even try to upload the shots of the clocked turbo and all that jazz.

Did you put the fuel pump back in yet?

[Blakout16]

nah im still waiting to get that replacement line + hose clamps. which might be today... but once i get that it's going back on! cuz im tired of the house smelling like petrol

[Blakout16]

got some work done... finished up the driver side intercooler piping
also im close to getting the feed line done.... still weeding out some problems with the return line
got the fuel pump line just havent installed it yet....
still have to take off the intake manifold!

[Blakout16]

and neone notice how JDM i am?! using a 7afe crank pully ;D
i do gotta say, out of all the turbo threads i think i've attracted the least - even w/o all my immense amount of pictures ;D damn itchy stealing all my light with his high HP.

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Oct 26, 2007 - 3:02 AM

[Celiracer18]

they all end up the same somehow. Lookin good so far

[normality78]

shld run strong...

[Blakout16]

small update
got the air filter located and fit in place...

finished up the oil relocation kit, and thats where it stays damnt! haha

[95CelicaST]

yay. All of my hard work drilling that one hole!

[lagos]

nice mounting bracket.
move the thread rods closer together, so that they hide behind black bars on the bumper cover.

[Blakout16]

alrightttt, now for some nice updating.
well i put everything together - minus the greddy emanage.
was gonna do a preliminary prime and to see if it would even start, well it started!!!
and then my o-rings blew on my injectors.
can you say mmm i love the smell of gas in the morning?
neways i tore apart the intake manifold took them out and am currently looking for a fix to this problem (per the o-rings were slightly too small before, now im looking for the same size inner-diameter o-ring but a bigger outter-diameter o-ring.

good news: no other leaks and it runs @ idle speeds (atleast for the 8 seconds it was started) hooray! and it sounds sweeeet, the turbo spins quite freely.

[jesterwr217]

alrightttt, now for some nice updating.
well i put everything together - minus the greddy emanage.
was gonna do a preliminary prime and to see if it would even start, well it started!!!
and then my o-rings blew on my injectors.
can you say mmm i love the smell of gas in the morning?
neways i tore apart the intake manifold took them out and am currently looking for a fix to this problem (per the o-rings were slightly too small before, now im looking for the same size inner-diameter o-ring but a bigger outter-diameter o-ring.

good news: no other leaks and it runs @ idle speeds (atleast for the 8 seconds it was started) hooray! and it sounds sweeeet, the turbo spins quite freely.

hey could you do some pics and mayb a lil how to when you go to fix you injectors i cant figure out how to get the intake manifold off

[normality78]

interesting. cant wait to see it up and running. your 200hp target, is on wheel or engine?

[95CelicaST]

I believe the target is 215WHP.

And she had her maiden voyage down the street last night...

[normality78]

215whp....cool...

just need to wait for the owner, Blakout16 to comment here. waiting for your dyno figure bro.

[Kadett]

nice mounting bracket.
move the thread rods closer together, so that they hide behind black bars on the bumper cover.

Dont think that would work to good, since the bars are exactly right in front of the IC. So if you look in an angle (left/right) you would see the rods alot better then they do now.

[playr158]

why are 3 guys standing around a car looking at 1 playboy magazine........



jk

looks like your guys work is coming along well, congrats

[Blakout16]

i should get pictures going but im so busy with school and work that i keep forgettting when i crack down on the car.

2 nights ago i got ALL of the problems fixed. the car is running and can move - untuned. its running very very rich outside of the wideband o2 sensor range (which is much better than being lean imo) but i made the slow journey to exhaust shop yesterday noon and thats where it still is right now getting basically a straight thru with a muffler on the end (high flow cat + silencer) so it should be good! will get the G EMU in today or tomorrow.

[Blakout16]

well, bad news. the turbo decided to go - i guess the person i bought it from lied to me.... all the seals were blown. maxes boost out at 7 psi and leaks mad oil.... need a new turbo now (probably be cheaper instead of buying a rebuild kit)
new turbo
and pressure orfice in the future.

suggestions would be great.

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Nov 10, 2007 - 6:20 PM

[jesterwr217]

well, bad news. the turbo decided to go - i guess the person i bought it from lied to me.... all the seals were blown. maxes boost out at 7 psi and leaks mad oil.... need a new turbo now (probably be cheaper instead of buying a rebuild kit)
new turbo
and pressure orfice in the future.

suggestions would be great.

got mine from turbokits.com got to pick my own internals and everything i love it but its a brand new turbo so it wont be cheap

[bccentaur3]

This time get the t3 super 60 turbo. You can get pretty good deals for them and its perfect for the 1.8 liter motor. Check out dezodmotorsports for that turbo, you should be able to get a good deal.

[95CelicaST]

Sad news! All of that work for it to blow!

Well.... it was fun while it lasted, no?

[bccentaur3]

I was excited to see this thing up and running. Its not like its over its just the turbo right?

[normality78]

how about the same brand new turbo?