 Auto Vs Manual, Which is best? |
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 Aug 10, 2003 - 3:00 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined May 2, '03 From San Diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%)  |
What is better? Auto or Manual..of course Manual is the best!
I got an automatic because the auto had lower miles..I want to get a new Celica to just make it manual but the miles are high and the price is overpriced. My girlfriend said if I am going to buy a car why buy another Celica... Is there any way that I can turn my auto to manual? Instead of buying a new car? Anyone in Southern California that could do it? |
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Aug 10, 2003 - 3:06 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Franklin/Nashville, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
yes you can. there have been a few that have done it. it's not too hard, just sourcing all the parts you need is the pain.
 -John- -------------------- AIM==Mynzeyes
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Aug 10, 2003 - 3:41 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 29, '03 From So Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Is there somebody on this site that has done this converstion? This is something I will also try if it's not to expensive and if it's not going to make my tranny weaker. Anybody know where we can find a parts list for this conversion?
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Aug 10, 2003 - 4:44 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
it wouldnt make the tranny weaker you will be installing a whole different tranny. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 10, 2003 - 4:55 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 31, '02 From Boise, ID Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
The work almost ain't worth it. I had a friend that did it to his eclipse, and when he finished, he said he just wished that he had sold that one, and bought a different one already with a manual. Its your call though.
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Aug 10, 2003 - 5:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From Franklin/Nashville, TN Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
no parts lists. you just need all the parts that a 5speed celica has that your car does not have. and it's not hard, if you know what you're doing, or whoever is doing it knows what they're doing, you can swap it out in a good day's work.  .-John- btw, general cost would be anywhere from 700 to 1200 depending on where you get the stuff from and the kinda prices you get... -------------------- AIM==Mynzeyes
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Aug 11, 2003 - 3:08 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 2, '03 From San Diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Has anyone tried it? I am willing to try it or pay someone to change it for me LoL. Damn I hope finding parts are easy to find. Where should I start? LoL
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Aug 11, 2003 - 4:48 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Oct 1, '02 From Seattle, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I just did the swap this summer. Yes, it would have been much cheaper if i had bought a new celi that was manual. But if you are attached to your car, that specific car, as much as i am, then the swap is your only option for fulldriving enjoyment. For me, it was about $1000 in parts and another $1000 in labor. There were a few complications here and there that pushed the price up a bit more, but those are things im sure you wont run into if you source the parts right and know what you are getting.
Here is the list of things you will need (i got this list from Nemesis3S-GTE on celica.net): -Tranny -Shifter/cables (junkyard, EXPENSIVE otherwise) -Flywheel (get it machined if from a junkyard) -Clutch Master cyl. -Slave cyl. -New clutch -Clutch metal fluid lines (junkyard) -Rubber clutch line (New from Toyota) -Flywheel bolts (new from Toyota) -Pressure plate bolts (new from Toyota) -Clutch pedal assy. -Manual brake pedal assy. -Tranny fluid (the tranny comes empty, don't ask how I found this out ) -Brake fluid for clutch get everything you can from a junkyard, the toyota dealer is expensive. Try www.car-parts.com, you will find a bunch of stuff there. But somethings like the flywheel bolts, presure plate bolts and fluid lines you can only get from toyota. there are a few more people on celica.net that have done it besides me. Thats where i got all the info to do mine. Ask around there, they were all pretty nice and very helpful. Feel free to PM me as well, but i had a shop do it, so the only thing i know is how to do is source the parts and find a good shop. -------------------- Its Orville's Celica, i just drive it... |
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Aug 14, 2003 - 2:57 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 2, '03 From San Diego Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Orvillez Celica...whoa man you're descriptive i need to chat with you somemore cause I am attached to my Celica....lol... so you spent 2 g's holy man..lol ok its worth it..
Does anyone else know a shop that can change it in so CALI?!?!? or anything?? I'm desperate here i want to do this veyr soon.. -chris- |
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Aug 14, 2003 - 2:13 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 29, '02 From ny to philly Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
just an idea, but you might want to save up and do a engine swap and the auto/manual conversion at the same time. it'll save you money in the long run.
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Aug 17, 2003 - 11:04 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 24, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I don't really understand why you want to get rid of the auto because if and I do mean if, you learn how to use the auto's "power mode" (assuming you have a celica from '94-'99 with the dual mode automatic tranny) you can out run a camaro or mustang base all day long. But that is only if the person who own the car before you had taken car of it and you have taken care of it.
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Aug 18, 2003 - 1:57 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jul 25, '03 From Santa Barbara, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
what is a dual mode automatic?? ive never even heard of that before...and i have an automatic.
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Aug 18, 2003 - 3:21 AM
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i would suppose that he is trying to talk fancy about the o/d button on the side of the shifter.
on is one mode off is another mode dual mode. |
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Aug 18, 2003 - 10:24 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 22, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
shut the uck up bout the power mode !!!!!...ur car can never out run a camaro or mustang with your auto ST...not even in your DREAMS !...here's some advice: since you dont know what you're talkin about, just do some less talkin and more reading so you can get your facts straight. 
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Aug 18, 2003 - 7:22 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 31, '02 From Virginia Currently Offline Reputation: 4 (100%) |
OWNED... 
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Aug 25, 2003 - 12:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 25, '03 From Santa Barbara, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i always have overdrive off because it responds quicker and doesnt have to change gears. but is that bad for the car in any way?
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Aug 25, 2003 - 4:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 16, '02 From Somewhere around Chi-Town Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
its not bad to have overdrive on or off. overdrive just puts it in the highest possible gear to keep the revs down. its a fuel economy thing. the name is misleading. if you want to go fast turn the overdrive off, or else youll be able to write a symphony before you reach 100 mph.
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Aug 25, 2003 - 5:23 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No LIGER ZERO isn't trying to talk fancy, he means it... I have an automatic and it is dual mode as well... All it is... is that when you are cruising and not trying to show out or rev beyond 4 grand you are in economy mode, When you are wanting to just through the celica through the twisties then you are probably revving above 4 grand and the torque converter and transmission adjust themselves to shift faster and at higher RPMS. I can take my celica st up to about 6 grand plus a few quarters and that is when the rev limiter kicks in and the car shifts. So watch what yal say about autos, because not all celica's (definitely not all st or gt's in america) have the dual mode auto though... |
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Aug 25, 2003 - 5:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
You shut the F*** up because you don't even know how to spell... Dumb A** A celica st with its "power mode on" can smoke even a Z28 or TTA (and since you don't know my BF, you should know that a TTA is a Turbocharge Trans AM) I have beat then finally by only adding a cat-back and carbon fiber hood and rims and tires to my car. Now, to let you in on something, I hope you don't think that we broke the speed limit in any way and I hope you know that we did not do it on a straight long road that has no turns in it for 10 miles. BUT We did it on a small narrow road, about 5 miles long with only one straight that is about 6/10s of a mile. So shut the F*** up you F**L |
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Aug 25, 2003 - 7:37 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 29, '03 From lynn,ma Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
you should be more specific then. when people think of outrun etc etc they think of dragging. you are talking about twisty so say twisty otherwise people will think you're just pullin stuff out of your ass. so what if people can't spell? does that have anything to do with anything outside the classroom/report? anywayz cf,rims doesn't really do anything in term of performance ^^ maybe save some weight but that's about it. if you want to run faster put on 13's =D
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Aug 25, 2003 - 7:41 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '03 From Knoxville,TN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Goodness...I think all the auto drivers should just stop trying to make there car sound better by saying it has a special button on the automatic shifter. Yea...I am sure an AUTO ST would beat a z28....hahahahaha. I bet. Autos are slower,accept it. Sorry,also....manuals can do that too...it's called downshifting and we can do it all the time not just up in the higher speeds.
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Aug 26, 2003 - 8:20 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Florence, KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
Wasn't there just another 3 page thread on this same topic? Okay, the O/D isn't just a "4th gear". It works at every speed. Your car revs much higher in every gear with it off. Sure, manual's may go faster if you have a SKILLED driver. I''m not saying anything about people's driving skills on here, but I'm willing to bet that most people aren't as good as the S**T they talk. I can see teenagers on here grinding through their gears right now. Oh yeah, and neither an auto or manual ST can beat a Z28 or Trans Am. A base V-6 either one can smoke our car unless you've got serious mods. If you beat them in the "twisties" it's not because your car is faster, it's because the other driver sucks! There's no use arguing about an auto or manual in an ST econo-coupe, when the only difference with a skilled driver using a manual is marginal at best.
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Aug 26, 2003 - 9:31 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
That is a lot of BS... you should know by know that I have a boyfriend driving a Turbocharged Trans AM and you should know that with the turbo he has a little under, about 1-9, horses under his uncle's vette... His uncle likes to go racing on road courses around here, when they have practice and amateur events... I have even went up against him and his uncle at one event and... D*** I ran right there with his uncle until his uncle's engine broke a few of its push-rods... in the end though my boyfriends TTA out ran me so on the last lap which was an all out no holds bars A** of a Job to do on that course... AND there were planty of imports there and in the end MY boyfriend and ME and A '96 Camaro SS finished in that order first and The other 7 generation Celicas and base Camaros and Mustangs, all lost... And even my moms Viper had its engine let go... SO KNOW WHAT, if you don't believe me, let me know your number so my boyfriend can tell you... The only reason probably that I won was because my uncle had replace some of the stuff on my car with lighter weight stuff like the hood that he painted to look like the rest of the car... and the rims and tires... and a few other minor items like radiator and air condensor... and also because I have been driving my auto for long enough that I know what its limits are and I can push the car to my limits and it laughs and says that this is it, you don't have any thing else... My mom also has an manual 5 generation st and it is so slow that I could smoke it through the quarter by abou 10 car links and that around here with our weather, equats to about 3 sec advantage... This post has been edited by SuperMica: Aug 26, 2003 - 9:39 PM |
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Aug 27, 2003 - 8:56 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Florence, KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
I'm sorry, I've got to call B.S. on that. There's no way your Celica ST beat a Camaro SS, Corvette, Viper, turbo Trans Am, etc. You've got to remember that this is a celica site and hello, I own an auto ST. I love my car, but it would get SMOKED by those cars in ANY type of race. If this event actually happened the way you say it did, then the people driving those cars are such pitiful drivers that they shouldn't be allowed on the road, and everyone should fear for their lives. Put the same driver in any of those cars and then in a Celica ST and the Celica ST would not even compete. An auto ST doesn't even want to touch 100 mph, I know, I had to push mine to do it. Hell, 40-60 in our cars is like 3 seconds. Those other cars are 150mph monsters. I can't even fathom an ST competing with them. In Gran Turismo racing, those cars would be like A-B class, ours would be like G class. Those are 300-400 hp cars! Putting lighter weight stuff on your car isn't even going to make up that much difference in power/weight. I'm sorry but that story is unbelievable.
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Aug 27, 2003 - 10:37 AM
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 Enthusiast Joined Aug 2, '03 From Anchorage, AK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i call bs also....And why do you keep brining your boyfriend up...cant you think for yourself. And if your boyfriend barely beat you then he is a Sh**tty driver. The next time you want to fool some people do it somewhere else. 6GC.net takes no Sh*T!!! Now Step!!!
 
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Aug 27, 2003 - 12:10 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '03 From Knoxville,TN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
What then! Oh!!! Toyota_guy31783 punked you out!  P.S. I call B.S. for a 2nd time |
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Aug 27, 2003 - 1:16 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 30, '02 From Anaheim, CA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
actually, my auto 97 ST hits 105 at redline in 3rd gear and the car still slowly pulls, ok, very slowly. In terms of the 105-110hp the ST has, the 5spd does make a difference. It has shorter gears and is more efficient. Now with z28’s, the autos are actually faster, and the longer gears combined with the constant throttle of an Auto is good for a turbo car. But with NA power, the shorter gears of a 5spd make a noticeable difference. The OD button does make a slight difference, but it does disable 4th gear when turned off. It wont make an ST faster than a trans am, let alone a turbo trans am. The only hope of keeping up is being an excellent driver on a very twisty course. And when I was at LACR, I made runs with OD on and off and it did not make a difference. I was messing around with a 03 G35 coupe on a mountain road and several times I would leave him about a mile behind. When I pulled over to a side of the road with a viewpoint, the guy pulled over and asked how much power my car had. He felt bad that his 280hp car had trouble keeping up with my 105hp car. Put me in the driver’s seat of the G35 and I can kick the **** out of any NA 6th gen. Celica. That guy just didn’t know the limits of his car yet. I never ever say that my car is fast. When people ask me about it, I say its pretty good for 105hp, which is the truth, my dad’s civic dx has more HP and it’s a whole lot slower than my car. Btw there is no chance in hell that a Viper, a 6spd 400+hp extreme handling, high quality machine will ever lose to an auto ST in anything other than a MPG race. Let alone an American muscle car with a V8. Neither Auto nor manual is better globally. It is up to personal preference. I like auto for daily driving, nothing beats the fun of driving a manual. Put my car next to another 97 st with a 5spd and I will get owned, given that the driver knows the car. -------------------- 1994 Celica GT4 WRC Edition
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Aug 27, 2003 - 9:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 31, '03 From Montreal, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Stop it... the 94-99 celica is an underpowered sporty car. It has real good handling
and is very nice do drive indeed, but stop comparing with REAL sport cars. I have a manual 94 GT lighly modified (the more powerful 6th gen you can get in North America) and don't feel much more power than my previous car (lazy honda accord 92 ex). Aint no lame driver too... If you want power and celica, go for the st205 engine. END of dicussion. |
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Aug 27, 2003 - 10:22 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
STOP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I know what I did and I know that it was for money and if you don't believe me... Then how is my car paid for when I had 7000 left on it when I started the race... And also if yal think your cars are so much that then why didn't yal get the CRAP AS* SUPRA like a little baby, oh yah I know why, because yal cheap scapes could not afford it... If yal don't end this soon yal are going to get me and my bf and our palies tick off and any celica we see we will wip its tail from now on... Thank you have a nice day... Mica in devil mode... |
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Aug 27, 2003 - 10:24 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 19, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
And oh yah... The reason I brought a celica st was because I wanted a reliable car so when my boyfriends TTA come and came down with a cold, me and him could still drive around together, Since he did buy his car and paid the down payment on mine... thank you have a f***ing Nice Crappy Cheap Scape Day...
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Aug 28, 2003 - 4:13 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Aug 2, '03 From Anchorage, AK Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a silly girl!! "me and my BF.....me and my BF. If your bf paid for your downpayment then why you calling us "scapes". And threatening people over the internet is REAL brave...oohh im scared. Get real!! You made up a story to try and look cool....got bs called and now are trying to get out of it. Like everyone else said, the only way you could have beaten those cars was IF you were a good driver, and considering that some of your other post have been very noobish(is that a word?)questions, i doubt that you can driver well enough to beat those cars. AND i didnt get a Supra because they are not very practical for driving around in Alaskan Winters. So PISS off!!!!P.S. Bring it on Beeatch!!!! This post has been edited by Toyota_guy31783: Aug 28, 2003 - 4:13 AM |
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Aug 28, 2003 - 8:54 AM
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Enthusiast Joined May 17, '03 From Florence, KY Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
She's right, I did buy my car because I'm cheap. The 3 main reasons I bought my car: 30+ miles per gallon (only fill up every 2 weeks), reliability rating higher than Civics and Corollas (which are very reliable cars in their own right) to cut down on maintenance costs, and it looked way better than any other economy car (Civics=common). That's what makes our car better than any other car in its class. However, at least I bought my own car, and not my Sugar Daddy, and I don't make up BS stories online. You're a cheapskate, you couldn't even afford a down payment on a used Celica ST. That's pathetic. Making online threats while hiding behind your boyfriend doesn't scare anyone, either. Why don't you stand on your own 2 feet? If you don't like 6 gens or the people here then get off, because this site is for those of us who like our cars. I can't believe someone like you who can't even spell correctly or use correct English can even possess a driver's license. What a scary thought.
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Aug 28, 2003 - 12:07 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 9, '03 From Knoxville,TN Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
[FONT=Impact]Oh no!! I hope baby girl and her b/f don't see my celica because then she might want to race me in her ST!!! That is such a scary threat! I guess since we didn't end it you,you're b/f, and his pallies are "tick" off.
So you're b/f raced you in a ST Auto against his turbo charged trans am for 7 grand?? Ok....how can I say this bluntly?? He's an IDIOT. I am trying to figure out what you mean when you say "crap a*s supra like a little baby"? Your answer is yes,I could not afford a supra. Like BlackSTX said....seems you could not afford an ST since your baby had to pay the down payment. You're making no sense,sorry. Also...why didn't you get a supra? You and your b/f could cruze around in that when his trans am came down with a freakin cold. You are a hypocrite. You are stupid. Stop making lame cuts at us and stop making up BS stories and stop talking about your b/f. NOBODY cares. Little girl,go to your boyfriend's pontiac forum,I'm sure the people there are dumb enough to believe your crap. Thank you! You are a silly silly girl. Stay in school or something....gosh |
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