If you had 4 grand....., If you had 4 grand what would you buy Options

[cel97ica]

IF you had 4 grand and wanted to make your celi faster/look nicer what would you buy

[cel97ica]

i want headers(cant find them for the 6th gen celi, and yes ive looked. And from what ive read there are no direct bolt-on ones) SP2 catback exhaust(tried to get one of nopi.com they called me back and said greddy stopped making them) i want a throttle body spacer but have only found them for the GT, i really want a turbo system but i dobut i can find a full system for under 4 g's and i dont know if id be worth it with a car that has 152k miles on it

[playr158]

I'd have custom springs made for coilovers and then have custom OHLIN shocks made and dyno(not the kinda dyno you are thinking, its a special dyno for shocks) tuned.

car would handle like a beast

[cel97ica]

i dont need my car to handle like a beast its got like 115 hp lol, its got an injen intake, and tein s-tech lowering springs

[bccentaur3]

i want headers(cant find them for the 6th gen celi, and yes ive looked. And from what ive read there are no direct bolt-on ones) SP2 catback exhaust(tried to get one of nopi.com they called me back and said greddy stopped making them) i want a throttle body spacer but have only found them for the GT, i really want a turbo system but i dobut i can find a full system for under 4 g's and i dont know if id be worth it with a car that has 152k miles on it

Thats why you do a 3s swap. You do it yourself save money and send your wireing harness out to get done up and like emerald lagassi says "BAMN" instant fastness. LOL . The things you listed won't help much with speed.

[playr158]

you realize that HP doesn't matter when it comes to handling?

i know of 200hp BMW race cars that will walk a 400hp porsche around the race track simply because they can out handle them.


take the four grand....invest into a couple of track day/driving schools

you'll learn more there and figure out from experienced drivers more about what you need to do to improve as a driver and ways to improve your car.

not to mention that handling is the single biggest asset of the celica......hp and out right speed not so much

This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 17, 2007 - 11:58 PM

[cel97ica]

i would if i was older thats what i will probably do, im 16 and want to do a swap but dont have the experiance to drop a 3s-gte in my car, nor would 4000 cut it, well i dont think it would

[cel97ica]

i would love a 3s-gte in my car if i could buy it and get it put in for under 4000 grand or 5

[bccentaur3]

you realize that HP doesn't matter when it comes to handling?

i know of 200hp BMW race cars that will walk a 400hp porsche around the race track simply because they can out handle them.


take the four grand....invest into a couple of track day/driving schools

you'll learn more there and figure out from experienced drivers more about what you need to do to improve as a driver and ways to improve your car.

not to mention that handling is the single biggest asset of the celica......hp and out right speed not so much

Okay okay you're right, but what about BOOST? j/k. I've been told by so many people that the only thing about cars they've enjoyed the most working on would be suspension. I'm not going to lie though suspension tuning is fun. Its more fun on the 7th gen civic vs our 6th gen. I want to see a decent driver drive a 7th gen and a 6th gen on the same course with the same mods done to them. Which car would own?

[thespacepanda]

ST's are great track cars. People don't give them enough credit where credit is due. They're light, well balanced, have great low end torque even stock and thus good for quick slowing down and speeding up. If it were me (and I'm working on making my ST a decent track car), here's what I'd do:

-Shocks and springs. Tein, Eibach, Trd, whatever your preferrence.

-Sway bars. Front and back. Found em on modacar.com for 260 for the pair.

-Strut bars. Found the Trd and cusco ones on toysport.com.

-Ram air intake. Not a significant horsepower increase but they're cheap and does help the throttle response. (I noticed it at least)

-Shifter. Trd quickshifter comes in handy when quickly moving back and forth between gears.

-Rims and tires. Get some alloy rims (they look nice and they're lighter than the stock ST rims). Tires are pure preferrence. I've got a set of Cooper Zeons on mine. I like em a lot. Used to have Yokohama ES100s but the shops in my area stopped carrying em for my rim.

-Rear disc brake conversion. Audi proved at LeMans what advantages 4-wheel disc brakes can do versus drums. Plus it looks sweet behind some 17" rims.


That's my 2 cents. Since none of these things are giving you a whole lot of power (if any at all) I doubt you'd need racing seats or harnesses or any of that stuff. You're not cornering at 110, a roll cage is not that critical. But its your car, do what makes you smile, and make sure you have fun doing it.

[jdg371]

Why wait till your older? I started when I was 17, Autocrossing is a great way to start. I had a 97 ST as well, Handling is what the Celica is for. For some added 'umph' get a custom catback exhaust, 2.25 or 2.5 inch piping with a Magnaflow muffler. Throttle body spacers will do Jack Nothing to your car. As for header there really isn't a OTS product for the 7AFE.

I will agree with playr, play with your suspension. A custom set of Ground Control and adjustable struts will make your Celica more fun to drive. Power isnt everything especially if your starting platform is the ST.

[cel97ica]

i would love to race on a track but right now while im young i just want to make my car a little bit faster and handle a little bit better i mean i guess i got a little start with the intake and springs, but not really that helpful, and i just wanna know what to buy to improve these things with 4-5 grand


jdg about how much was the custom catback?

[cel97ica]

would it be less then 5000 to drop a 3s-gte and all the parts needed ?

[bccentaur3]

dude with 4-5 grand you can make your car into a handeling king. new wheels and tires will help a lot too.

[cel97ica]

centaur your all about the handling arent you, i need a little more hp if im going to drop 4-5 grand into handling, thats why i want the 3s-gte then ill focus on the handling

i already know what rims i want for the rims and tires i want its 800, found replacement front bumper because mine has a hole so thats 150 so new rims new front bumper 950 alone

so far ive spent 136 for intake i think 240 for tein s-tech springs paid 100 for install so thats 476 plus replacement tire 80 so 556, thats how much ive spent so far on my ST

i want a 3s-gte so so bad but i know it wont be around 5 grand to buy and drop it in, i also want brake conversion to disc, and new suspension set-up

[bccentaur3]

ASK yourself this. Do you want looks, Go or handling? If looks go with the jdm SS-III look or the majorities fav gt4 front end. but all of that will take a lot of the 4-5 g to do. You want suspension you're half way there. Since you have springs get some good struts, sway bars, front and rear strut bars, some sweet ass gram lights (which I wished I could afford) and some grip ass tires. You want power, 3s swap.

[cel97ica]

ill eventually want looks but right now id rather have a mix of go and handling, but id wanna start with go...i heard that a full tein suspension set up is wicked good but i wouldnt know, and i dont know if 4-5 grand would cut it for the 3s-gte does anyone?

[bccentaur3]

if you're going to take it to the shop probably not. unless you can sort out the motor and all the stuff you need that normally comes with a front clip. Unless you can get a front clip for dirt cheap. Then again you will have to get your wiring harness done.

[playr158]

a) you are 16 you can't handle a 3sgte celica
b) you have MINIMAL driving experience you DO NOT need a faster car
c) several people have told you HANDLING is a great start.
d) if you can handle BETTER you can go FASTER

you start with the driver then you move to the car...
learn how to drive, get a good solid suspension setup, good brake setup

then when you are older more experienced and more mature...upgrade the power..

steps for a great celica

a) GC coilovers
b) ST sway bars & GT4 rear strut bar
c) good slotted rotors and quality pads
d) 17" light weight wheels with QUALITY tires
e) stock airbox with k&N drop in filter removed air box resonators
f) 2.25" catback custom made
g) ebay headers
h) TWM short shifter

^get that and you'll have more than enough car for you + some money in the bank earning interest

This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 18, 2007 - 12:41 AM

[bccentaur3]

a) you are 16 you can't handle a 3sgte celica
b) you have MINIMAL driving experience you DO NOT need a faster car
c) several people have told you HANDLING is a great start.
d) if you can handle BETTER you can go FASTER

you start with the driver then you move to the car...
learn how to drive, get a good solid suspension setup, good brake setup

then when you are older more experienced and more mature...upgrade the power..

Well put. Some wise advice for your bro. Stick to it and stop wanting more power. I can just imagine, remember that one kid who jumped into his dads shelby 500 and crashed it LOL. way to much power.

[cel97ica]

playr yeah i know its not like i havent been taking the ideas in of the suspension and i know its a good start and i said i want a mix, and im not going to beat the S**t out of the 3s-gte right when i got it, obvisily id need to get use too it, and i know that ive only been driving for a year and its not a long time but i would like a little bit of a faster car for if i decided to go to a track or dragstrip next summer

[cel97ica]

lol centaur i did see that, but you put it wrong when you say all 16 year olds cant handle a fast car, my friend had a Dodge Ram SRT-10 yea the truck with the 500 hp viper engine and he handled it for a while till he decided to be an idiot and burnout from a complete stop turing and flipped the truck i thought he died, i saw it happen......but then he got it fixed painted it viper blue and put 24's on it and it was fine

but i dont plan on doing what he did

[bccentaur3]

Dude you should've gotten a faster car. Well with all this what would you do with 4-5 grand you should've used the 4-5g on a newer car with the price you paid for the one you got. OR get a civic, something I don't want to recommend but it worked for me.

[bccentaur3]

If you really have your heart set on going fast. Get a compression check done. If you want to go into more depth get a leak down test. If numbers come out good boost the 7afe. You wont spend more than 2 grand. Then the extra money you can spend on looks OR suspension .

[cel97ica]

too many people have civic's around here, i love my 6gen and i just want to see if 4-5 grand would be enough to do a complete 3s-gte swap and after that id work on handling you know what i mean, im young but im not an idiot but idk thanks for all the advice i do appreciate it, i just want a car like some of the members on here, who have really nice celicas with 3s's in them

ahah your right bc i already got a quote to paint my car pearl blue metallic for 2200 and id look sick, and yeah i do want better handling, i just want it all like everyone does, and thats a good idea to get compresson testing done, but why would i get that done if id be getting a swap anyway?

[bccentaur3]

You don't need a 3s to have power. Boost the one you got. If you end up wanting more, which i doubt you won't have a problem with wanting more build the 7afe for mroe boost. You can also be different from members and swap in a 4agze and turbo it. Yes thats right twin charge the crap out of it. LOL. Its your call man. I say boost the SHIZNIT out of it.

I say compression test to boost the motor you got now. Not for the swap bud.

[cel97ica]

haha alright i was confused for a second, because yeah thats what i orignally wanted was just a turbo to get me a little over 200hp then i said i dont know if a motor with 151k miles on it would be good to boost, and someone said swap and thats why i ran with it for so long i forgot about the turbo i originaly wanted

[cel97ica]

so do you think around 4g's would be enough to get all the parts i need for a turbo, im going to do some research

[bccentaur3]

Okay your back to square one. I know you want boost. Who doesn't? Just be smart man. 4-5grand can go a long ways for a kid your age. I say save your money, for something more useful or important. Unless you really want to get into this tuning dealy. Remember you gotta pay to play. Since you want boost get your compression checked. If it shows no sign of wear boost it.

so do you think around 4g's would be enough to get all the parts i need for a turbo, im going to do some research

4 g is more than enough for boost. Research is right. Do lots of it. read up on all the threads about boosting a 7afe. It will help you out a lot in the long run.

[cel97ica]

i do need to do more research because im looking at turbochargers and i dont know what half the stuff means when it says compressor then all these facts

[bccentaur3]

okay you have a 1.8 liter. Go with the t3 super 60 turbo.

[cel97ica]

do you know about how much boost can be given from it? and is 60 the flange size?

[bccentaur3]

You wont have as much lag and you wont have problems with the turbo choking up.

No has nothing to do with the flange.

[cel97ica]

i found the turbo alone for 389

[bccentaur3]

Just do some research man. Dont get a turbo too small since it will drop off in power fast although it will give you insta boost. And dont get a turbo too big where you wont ever get boost.

Like I said before, you gotta PAY to PLAY.

[cel97ica]

alright the one i found is rebuilt i think id rather have new one, more reliable right?

[bccentaur3]

Here's an idea. Start off with searching around for a used kit. bolt that thing on. If you find that you don't something about it upgrade it.

alright the one i found is rebuilt i think id rather have new one, more reliable right?

Yes If you don't take care of a brand new turbo you're probably going to need a rebuild any way.

to start off read this. BOYAKASHA --------> http://www.6gc.net/howto/128

[cel97ica]

wouldnt i need to get a new fuel system as well, heres what i think i need so far- Turbocharger,boost controller, boost gauge, air-fuel gauge, BOV,wastegate, turboback exhaust system, new headers, probably new sparkplugwires, fuel rail, new fuel pump( i read a TT supra pump is a good choice) um new injectors??

alright thanks ill read it, im probably missing alot

[bccentaur3]

NEW HEADERS???? You mean a header? we don't have a v6 nor v8. its not header its turbo manifold. You won't need a new fuel rail. just bigger injectors. You're going to need something to control your injectors with too. The most iomportant thing you need to remember about boosting is TUNEING. You need to correct tune to run good. You can aim for what ever horepower you want but without the correct tune you'll never get there. People blow their motors up because they neglect tuneing. Research first before you start to splurge all your money on turbo goodies.

[cel97ica]

FMU=Fuel Mangement Unit?
FPR= No idea????
turboxs MBC =???
EGT bun =???
FMIC= Front Mount Intercooler, id rather have this but more expensive for piping??


yeah i didnt mean to say header, and thanks for the correction of the Turbo manifold

and i wouldnt start spurlging before i got a compression test and made sure it was worth it, and before i new every part i wanted to get and how to install it, id wanna try most myself but i couldnt do welding

[bccentaur3]

FMU=Fuel Mangement Unit?
FPR= No idea????
turboxs MBC =???
EGT bun =???
FMIC= Front Mount Intercooler, id rather have this but more expensive for piping??


yeah i didnt mean to say header, and thanks for the correction of the Turbo manifold

fuel management unti from worst to best vortech 12:1 fmu, apexi safc, emanage, standalone.
fpr- fuel pressure regulator
I think the turboxs mbc is for reading the boost. not sure though. for us 5sfe guys all we have to do is hook up the 2 bar map sensor and we are golden.
I dont know what an egt BUN is lol

fmic real important if you want boost you're going to have to cool down that hot compressed air some how to keep your engine healthy.

[cel97ica]

i knew what the intercooler was for i just didnt know if front mount is better then top or side and arent fuel mangement systems hard to tune i wouldnt know where to start id probably need to bring it somewhere, so heres where im at - Turbo, Injectors, FMU, FMIC, I.C. Piping, FPR, All the right Gauges, New fuel pump, fuel rail, Turbo manifold, turboback exhaust, um

wastegate, BOV

[bccentaur3]

you'll need a downpip fab'd for your exhaust. I dont think you need a new fuel rail. Top mount is a NO NO since you dont have a vented hood. besides you dont want one anyway you'll get heat soak. Side mount is okay but why? You'll have to use piping to do sidemount you might as well do front mount. You can stick with the stock fpr. We are just looking to get to 200 not 300. I highly recommend a wide band for tuning purposes and a boost gauge don't want boost spiking or to find out if you're leaking boost. I recommend just a safc for tuning. its easy to learn

add fuel when you need it for boost. take away fuel when you're running to rich. simple. plus it looks cool. lol.

[cel97ica]

all right sounds good so far id want around 250 but i know itd take more and would probably blow my 151k motor anyway, i really appriecate the help now i wanna find the parts and see how much itd be fore pricing

[trdcelica94]

-rims
-coilovers
-toms lip

ahah thats it just going for looks. dont care about speed. prob get
-header
-intake
-exhaust

[xs94st]

alritey..this is just a hypothetical rite?

buy the parts for cheap (not cheap parts) one at a time, taking care of a big thing, then a few small things, then another big piece, then more smaller pieces..that way you have money for yourself in between and you can LEARN about each product you pick up when you get it. it takes time. yes, you can just go buy everything out there rite now, get it shipped n have it with you. then what? at this point you don't know much in terms of turbo installation / tuning, and if you slow everything down n buy em within a matter of a year (or less, or even shorter amount of time, whatever you're more comfortable with) and learn about the car you are driving as well as the parts you are going to be installing.

like bc said, you're going to need some custom fab for stuff, so expect that to be a couple extra dollars because you can't just buy em. (down pipe, intercooler piping, etc)

learning is just half the experience. the more you know, the more reliable you can make your car and the more fun you will have in the long run. i get caught up in the short run easily, but sometimes ya gotta take it easy.

my .02 =)

[jcbass7]

my best advice is do a lot of research before you drop 4g on any aspect of your car

[dabazied]

I say go N read up on K-ESD's swap and be #2, at least I think that spot is still open, in the v6 swap league I know that is prob the way I'm gonna be headed in the near future

[jcaron9gt4]

a) you are 16 you can't handle a 3sgte celica
b) you have MINIMAL driving experience you DO NOT need a faster car
c) several people have told you HANDLING is a great start.
d) if you can handle BETTER you can go FASTER

you start with the driver then you move to the car...
learn how to drive, get a good solid suspension setup, good brake setup

then when you are older more experienced and more mature...upgrade the power..

Well put. Some wise advice for your bro. Stick to it and stop wanting more power. I can just imagine, remember that one kid who jumped into his dads shelby 500 and crashed it LOL. way to much power.

i thought he just parked it into the garage for him

[cel97ica]

hahah yeah id kill my son if he did that, and thanks for all the advice from everyone and xs94st thats a good idea so i just dont blow 4-5 grand on a full turbo set up when i know little about each item

[supra12big]

4-5k is wel enough for a 3sgte, and 16 u can't handle the power, I am 17 and and have a 6th gen celica with a 3sgte swap running 15 pounds of boost, and alot of other mods and its crazy fast, but my first car was a 300zx TT so it makes up for the experience, its ur choice in the end

[cel97ica]

yeah i know, but if you had a 300zx TT as your first car how are you going to tell me i cant handle a 3sgte, when your first car was Twin Turbo'd

[99GT]

You will get boost happy. Your right foot will get heavier and heavier. Trust us you don't want a turbo yet.

Intake, Header, Exhaust.

Drag is not even fun no more.

Auto X your car. You're heart will beat faster than trying to get low numbers.

SUSPENSIONS. HUGE spoiler for down force haha.

[jdg371]

I strongly suggest researching on how turbo's work before buying anything turbo related to your car. Picking parts off a bin without proper set up can cause issues. Also with your 4-5K will you be installing and fabricating your turbo kit? Or will you be having a shop build it for you?

Also, a car equipped with a turbo has a beefier supsension. With more HP you will stress out your suspension much more, especially with hard launches and turns.

[95CelicaST]

You should install a JDM VTAK controller, so that you can do this!!!1111




You don't need to go fast at 16. You need to learn how to drive first. Go purchase a set of Koni shocks and Ground Control Coilovers and a good set of tires. That alone will be like night and day for someone your age... or anyone that is coming from stock suspension. Spend a little, and learn. Spend some more, learn some more. Don't just throw money at it. If I had four grand I would put it in a CD at the bank and gain some interest.

[jcbass7]

where are you located? if you are serious about putting this money into your car and live near New England at all talk to JDM guy tuning, they are great with this stuff and specialize in the 5sfte turbo set up (i know you have an ST, but they are good with these stock engines). they could atleast point you in the right direction

This post has been edited by jcbass7: Nov 19, 2007 - 10:54 AM

[x_itchy_b_x]

if i had an additional 4k.... id go awd and new suspension.
[/end pipedream].

[playr158]

I thinks you'd need more than 4 grand for that itchy...

GOOD suspension is around a grand minimum.

[x_itchy_b_x]

yeah, 1k for suspension, id just get the tein one because i don't need anything crazy. under 2k for a rear clip. 1k in misc parts (fuel cell). labor/fabrication = free. no?

[playr158]

Tein coilovers new are 1200...
add in sway bars, good tires, front and rear strut bars. you're close to $2,300
then if you get really detailed light weight 17s....thats 2grand.
boom 4 grand right there. or 2,300 sans wheels

or Ohlin's shocks.....thats like 1500-2000.
custom coilovers......2 grand
then the wheels/tires/sways/strutbars/camberkits/pillowmounts

[fastgt]

invest/save it for a new faster car.

[GriffGirl]

Take your 4-5 grand, put it towards college, get a good education and a kick ass job, and then buy whatever car you want.

[fastgt]

^ +1

[lubu]

Take your 4-5 grand, put it towards college, get a good education and a kick ass job, and then buy whatever car you want.

So far this is the best advise..

[cel97ica]

95celicast i love the diagram of the VTAK that was funny, but i know what all of you are saying ill just save it buy a new car in spring or summer and work on that, and just lightly mod my celi for now

[netrata]

I would change out the silvertop to a blacktop 4age and do a port and polish to the head. Then replace the factory cams with Toda intake/exhaust cams. Replace the pistons, valve train, and run open ITB's on the 20v blacktop. Followed by sending another 20v ecu to techtom (TOM's RACING) and have them chip the ecu and fine tune it to the upgrades I have done to the engine. Yeah, that's what I would do. Increase the HP and make the car more fun to drive by hearing the ITB's in higher RPM's. The problem is though is a dyno to see the new engine HP output.

This post has been edited by netrata: Nov 19, 2007 - 4:45 PM

[95CelicaST]

I would change out the silvertop to a blacktop 4age and do a port and polish to the head. Then replace the factory cams with Toda intake/exhaust cams. Replace the pistons, valve train, and run open ITB's on the 20v blacktop. Followed by sending another 20v ecu to techtom (TOM's RACING) and have them chip the ecu and fine tune it to the upgrades I have done to the engine. Yeah, that's what I would do. Increase the HP and make the car more fun to drive by hearing the ITB's in higher RPM's. The problem is though is a dyno to see the new engine HP output.

Silvertop has more torque anyways. Blacktop is only rated 110tq and only 10hp more than a Silvertop.

I would put in some Toda cams. Whatever size that will retain the VVT, then some cam gears, Toda valve springs & retainers, maybe some headwork.

In the end, it wouldn't end up being much. Might hit 160whp...

[Rayme]

16 with 4000$ to blow? Without knowing your family Background its hard to say what to do with it.

Let me just say something, student loans SUCKS and will follow you FOR YEARS AND YEARS !!!!

Keep your car stock and drive properly, don't become another statistic...and young people wonder why they pay high insurance rates.

This post has been edited by Rayme: Nov 19, 2007 - 5:12 PM

[cel97ica]

nah not to blow, i just want my car to look nice and just to be a nice car, so i think im going to spend some on fixing the body but leaving it stock, maybe find some headers because i cant find them anywhere, and try to get a hold of a Greddy SP2 cat-back if anyone knows or has one lying around let me know

[NapTown94]

a) you are 16 you can't handle a 3sgte celica
b) you have MINIMAL driving experience you DO NOT need a faster car
c) several people have told you HANDLING is a great start.
d) if you can handle BETTER you can go FASTER

you start with the driver then you move to the car...
learn how to drive, get a good solid suspension setup, good brake setup

then when you are older more experienced and more mature...upgrade the power..

Well put. Some wise advice for your bro. Stick to it and stop wanting more power. I can just imagine, remember that one kid who jumped into his dads shelby 500 and crashed it LOL. way to much power.

Yeah man, we're not even doing this to rag you. I want power too, but I don't want a 3S-GTE. be original. I think you can build a pretty solid 7A-FE N/A motor and get some decent numbers out of it if you put enough cash and effort into it. I'm 17, so don't think the older guys r ganging up on you. I love throwing my Celica around a corner more than anything. And no offense, but you can't honestly think you were gonna have a fast car when you bought a 1.8 liter 4-cylinder Celica, did you? get some driving under ur belt, then mod from there. You don't really need a racecar when you live in the city. Most speed limits around here are between 45 and 60. Why waste your money on a ton of performance mods when you don't get to use them all the time?

[cel97ica]

yeah i know what you mean, honestly i should of just saved my money and bought a faster car, but i saw the celica in a newspaper and i was like thats sick and wanted it it looked so nice, and i new it wasnt that fast but idk i guess your right, and its handling is good i can whip myself around turns eventhough i almost killed myself once which ill never try doing again

[Sinyk]

I say spend the $4k however you want.

As for the other recent responses, quiet! It's called natural selection for a reason

[playr158]

i can whip myself around turns eventhough i almost killed myself once which ill never try doing again

this is why you should not be/are not ready for a swap and should be looking at driver improvement courses/track time and suspension.

[cel97ica]

no you dont understand what the situation is..

was...***

[Celicam8]

for 4k id buy a new car ^^

[bccentaur3]

^ you must not like the celica? No matter what happens from now on, I will never get rid of my celica. After graduating college and earning a nice paying job, I'd still keep the celica. After all the blood sweat and tears put into her, I couldn't.

[Celicam8]

i meant that as id buy a new celica... new 6th

This post has been edited by Celicam8: Nov 20, 2007 - 10:50 PM

[bccentaur3]

But why? Why not buy the one he did and use the extra money to upgrade suspension, motor, and exterior? Because if I had lets say 7,000 I would rather pick a 94 celica over a 99 celica regardless of miles, because I already know what I wanted out of the car. Theres a reason why I chose my celica. I saw the gt-four front end and the 3sgte and that started my quest to find a celica hatchback. Now I have her and own't let her go.

[Celicam8]

if he has a st he can buy a gt... and not have to do swap... and so forth, sometimes cheaper in long run

[Rayme]

But why? Why not buy the one he did and use the extra money to upgrade suspension, motor, and exterior? Because if I had lets say 7,000 I would rather pick a 94 celica over a 99 celica regardless of miles, because I already know what I wanted out of the car. Theres a reason why I chose my celica. I saw the gt-four front end and the 3sgte and that started my quest to find a celica hatchback. Now I have her and own't let her go.

One good reason, modding a car is the best way to waste money you'll never see again.
And people like to upgrade sometimes.

My GF just bought a Yaris and damn, do I love that new car feeling, everything is tight and shiny and un-rusted. My celica feels lose and it would cost more than its worth to change all the bushings, I tried changing a worn arm in the rear but everything is binded together. Sometime it's wiser to sell a car and save that repair money on a good downpayment and getting something that is just as enjoyable and not new (a new car's cost is robbery IMO, wait until its 2 years old and saves litteraly thousands).

This post has been edited by Rayme: Nov 21, 2007 - 2:03 PM

[Celicam8]

My GF just bought a Yaris and damn, do I love that new car feeling, everything is tight and shiny and un-rusted. My celica feels lose and it would cost more than its worth to change all the bushings

...lol... sounds like a woman

Young.. , everything is tight and shiny and un-rusted.
Old... lose and it would cost more than its worth to change all the bushings

[monkey]

Ok my man.
Dont listen to the negative comments, if yo u go to defgephs file you can see that he has a step by step instruction manual to swap a st to a 3sgte, i am 19 and have no motor experience but am going to do it, although i am mecanically inclined. study the facts and see how long it takes to swap, dont be scared of power, respect it. im a extremist and was sent to boarding school in costa rica forr a reason. to tell you the truth i havent even been driving for a year yet and im allready drifting and topping out at speed above 150 ( i work at a toyota dealership) so its all about confidence and practice, i drive frobably 3/5 of every day just getting to know my cars handeling. i have a 94 gt right now and im fully confident that i can handle more power, after all i fly down i 45 at 150+. its not about the car, its the driver. just the other day i smoked a corvette because he didnt know his car enough to judge gaps between cars. get to know your car, then make it faster. i dont think you realize that a swap will take about 2-3 months depending on how well u are mechanically. so with this said, you will need a lil commuter car. i wouldnt bother with the suspention just yet, check this link out, http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=28825&st=0 , then see if you still want to do it.. i found the clip i wanted for 1800 and ill be able to get it for 1400 becasue of our dealership account with jdm. you will have to upgrade a lot of your st parts to gt parts but thats all included in the 4grand price range. defgeph says he did a st for 4 grand and from the looks of it, i dont doubt it. the only thing aobut tuning the st motor is later on you will want more power, but cant. theres no replacement or dispacement. and the 3sgte is made for the boost so it wont croak on you. boosting your high mileage engine looks to be a waste of money to me! if you want we can even do these swaps togeather. just msg me and well se whats goin on.

[jdg371]

Ok my man.
Dont listen to the negative comments, if yo u go to defgephs file you can see that he has a step by step instruction manual to swap a st to a 3sgte, i am 19 and have no motor experience but am going to do it, although i am mecanically inclined. study the facts and see how long it takes to swap, dont be scared of power, respect it. im a extremist and was sent to boarding school in costa rica forr a reason. to tell you the truth i havent even been driving for a year yet and im allready drifting and topping out at speed above 150 ( i work at a toyota dealership) so its all about confidence and practice, i drive frobably 3/5 of every day just getting to know my cars handeling. i have a 94 gt right now and im fully confident that i can handle more power, after all i fly down i 45 at 150+. its not about the car, its the driver. just the other day i smoked a corvette because he didnt know his car enough to judge gaps between cars. get to know your car, then make it faster. i dont think you realize that a swap will take about 2-3 months depending on how well u are mechanically. so with this said, you will need a lil commuter car. i wouldnt bother with the suspention just yet, check this link out, http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=28825&st=0 , then see if you still want to do it.. i found the clip i wanted for 1800 and ill be able to get it for 1400 becasue of our dealership account with jdm. you will have to upgrade a lot of your st parts to gt parts but thats all included in the 4grand price range. defgeph says he did a st for 4 grand and from the looks of it, i dont doubt it. the only thing aobut tuning the st motor is later on you will want more power, but cant. theres no replacement or dispacement. and the 3sgte is made for the boost so it wont croak on you. boosting your high mileage engine looks to be a waste of money to me! if you want we can even do these swaps togeather. just msg me and well se whats goin on.

Your FACTORY Celica GT can go 150+ MPH... also the Corvette lost to you because of gaps between cars? Looks like your messing around in the street with innocent people around you...

[bccentaur3]

Ok my man.
Dont listen to the negative comments, if yo u go to defgephs file you can see that he has a step by step instruction manual to swap a st to a 3sgte, i am 19 and have no motor experience but am going to do it, although i am mecanically inclined. study the facts and see how long it takes to swap, dont be scared of power, respect it. im a extremist and was sent to boarding school in costa rica forr a reason. to tell you the truth i havent even been driving for a year yet and im allready drifting and topping out at speed above 150 ( i work at a toyota dealership) so its all about confidence and practice, i drive frobably 3/5 of every day just getting to know my cars handeling. i have a 94 gt right now and im fully confident that i can handle more power, after all i fly down i 45 at 150+. its not about the car, its the driver. just the other day i smoked a corvette because he didnt know his car enough to judge gaps between cars. get to know your car, then make it faster. i dont think you realize that a swap will take about 2-3 months depending on how well u are mechanically. so with this said, you will need a lil commuter car. i wouldnt bother with the suspention just yet, check this link out, http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=28825&st=0 , then see if you still want to do it.. i found the clip i wanted for 1800 and ill be able to get it for 1400 becasue of our dealership account with jdm. you will have to upgrade a lot of your st parts to gt parts but thats all included in the 4grand price range. defgeph says he did a st for 4 grand and from the looks of it, i dont doubt it. the only thing aobut tuning the st motor is later on you will want more power, but cant. theres no replacement or dispacement. and the 3sgte is made for the boost so it wont croak on you. boosting your high mileage engine looks to be a waste of money to me! if you want we can even do these swaps togeather. just msg me and well se whats goin on.

Your FACTORY Celica GT can go 150+ MPH... also the Corvette lost to you because of gaps between cars? Looks like your messing around in the street with innocent people around you...

I totally agree with you man. That right there just shows how young and dumb you really are. You know what I really think that the corvette was just cruising and you passed him by and thought you were racing him. And yes a factory GT has no chance with getting to 150 +. Julian don't listen to that guy. Take it the advice from us older guys. We've been there and done that. We are just trying to lead you towards the right direction.

[Shocker]

take it from me..save you money..I love my czr to death znd still put money into it.But when i was 17 i bought all my turbo stuff about 3 grand for the st. 2 years later i still dont have it all on, well its on and running but i need a clutch.ohh back on topicSave you money let it grow intrest in the bank.you will thank yourself in the long run.

sorry itds hard to make since when your just a lil bit drunk..

8-) but hey

just hink of this some one always has a faster car than ytou so dont put a bunch of money into your car.Like i did cause now i have to keep it forever because it not worth seeling it noew that ive put so much in it.

annd dont drink and drive..
also dont race ill admit that i do it on occasion but it very dangerous and ive had fereinds get killed doing it.
you alway think your in control. When your really not.

btw auto x that thing in stock class it will wrock you face off.

This post has been edited by Shocker: Nov 22, 2007 - 2:18 AM

[Celicam8]

Shocker = piss drunk

[monkey]

haha yall are lame, i wasnt in my celica doing 150 + i was on my friends bike. and btw i was racing the vette, he just ouldnt handle the power in it. which also shows that you dont need to be making your car faster than you can handle! ohh and btw messing with innocent people on the streets is half of the fun...

This post has been edited by monkey: Nov 22, 2007 - 11:27 AM

[monkey]

like i said earlier do what yu want to your car, dont listen to their negative feedback because they dont even know **** about what you got goin on, only you do. so make your car yours!

[Celicam8]

bike vs vette... lol lets see all the advantages a bike has over a vet... Plus.. no street racing talk..

[jdg371]

No where in your whole "speech" did a Bike showed up. I haven't seen a negative feedback anywhere in this whole thread. We are simply stating the ADVANTAGES of the HAMPSTER POWER the Celica produces...

As "Monkey" says do what you want and don't listen to anyone's advice. Monkeys and everyone in this whole thread..

And to Monkey, messing with innocent people around the area is RETARDED as can be. Everytime a family or friend of mine gets close to an accident due to a retard thinking the street is a place where you can practice your "Need For Speed" skills, it pisses me off.

Take it to the track or a ENCLOSED area.

[playr158]

oh shweeeeet squids on bikes doing 150+ racing vettes.....you are SUPER cool!!!!!

just know when you wreck most the time....you die.

don't keep being a squid.....those speeds should NOT be done on the street.

here is positive advise STFU.

[jdg371]

here is positive advise STFU.

I was close to adding a "Why don't you have a nice cup of STFU" but I wasn't trying to start an E-War..

[Jared95]

he will learn....and it doesn't matter how good you think you can drive its the mother F*** that pulls out in front of you and u slam into him even though you think u have decent driving skills...**** happens keep it in mind next time your doing "150" racing a vette....hahaha.

[playr158]

here is positive advise STFU.

I was close to adding a "Why don't you have a nice cup of STFU" but I wasn't trying to start an E-War..

you mean this one?





HAPPY TURKEY DAY!

[bccentaur3]

LOL. ^

[supra12big]

3sgte it man, u wont regret it, and yes my z had sport 500's on there, put down 327 to the wheels on a hot day, and i drove that thing in the rain and snow, and believe me i enjoyed every bit, and I sitll beat everyones ass in a race around me

[cel97ica]

i dont look at the comments negatively, i look at all of this thread as advice on what direction i wanna head in, ive already had help leaning me in more of the direction i want. I want a faster car, i know im 16, young, need more driving experiance, i know that anything can happen too you even if you say it never will because it already has to me, and i also know i bought my celica for a reason not because it had low hp but because i wanted a car to work on and too were i could say, i did it myself, so thanks to everyone for the advice, and im still thinking of what to do.

[thespacepanda]

Wow monkey, I can only wonder if you're the dude in the red GT that was weaving through traffic on I-45 like a pissed off 16 year old while on my way to work. Please tell me you don't have gold badges.

[bizzerk]

haha yall are lame, i wasnt in my celica doing 150 + i was on my friends bike. and btw i was racing the vette, he just ouldnt handle the power in it. which also shows that you dont need to be making your car faster than you can handle! ohh and btw messing with innocent people on the streets is half of the fun...

getting pulled over and having to pay is the other half

[laff09]

FMU=Fuel Mangement Unit?
FPR= No idea????
turboxs MBC =???
EGT bun =???
FMIC= Front Mount Intercooler, id rather have this but more expensive for piping??

fpr= fuel pressure regulator.
MBC= manual boost controller