94 ST with Complete 93 JDM ST185 Swap, Heavily modified 93 JDM 3sgte swapped into my 6th gen Options

[BltnotBgt]

Someone suggested I post this here. This is My 1994 Celica ST, with the complete engine and drivetrain from a 1993 JDM ST185 swapped into it. Its getting close to being done, Engine, drivetrain, and suspension work is done, working on the fuel system and wiring as I post this.

If people show interest, I will post a complete parts list, and pictures of the whole AWD swap in. For now here are a few picts of what it looks like at this point. Take in mind this was a wrecked car to start with, So most of the front end is new.

[j0e_p3t]

where are you located?

[lagos]

what turbo do you have in there? it looks huge.

[BltnotBgt]

I am located in Plattsburgh NY, about 30 miles from canada

The turbo is a garrett t70

[DEATH]

That's the $hit! You're in good company now - lots of other swap owners here. Have fun with her and let us know how that AWD works out.

[nik]

wow

[ja_ma]

WOW, this is the big project

[x_itchy_b_x]

Hell ya i want some AWD pics NIce car man. looks mint. your wastegate is massive!!!!! post up a parts list.

[bccentaur3]

Heck yea. Lots of the awd drive train pics please. Details NOW!!

[GriffGirl]

x2 to all of the above!

...and welcome!

[x_itchy_b_x]

another question. where did you get the information needed to do the swap? from here and just never posted or elsewhere?

[99GT]

Cool. Post some AWD action when your done. haha

[phattyduck]

Are you going to put the power steering back, or just have fun in parking lots?

Looks like a pretty decent project. I am definitely interested in how you did the rear subframe and driveshaft...

I'd suggest that you get a real Spearco core instead of the crappy XS Power one. I've seen both in person and you will get much better performance out of the Spearco. Also, the water flow through the XS Power core is horrible, and you will have trouble filling it all the way with water (there is no way to bleed air out of it). I would also suggest going back to the stock exhaust manifold. Port it if you want more flow.... Or at the very least, make sure you put plenty of heat protection around the manifold you have in there now - you will be melting that coupling and cracking the manifold if you aren't careful.

-Charlie

[celicast3sgte]

what i wanna know is how come you have 2 intercoolers and only the a2w is hooked up???

[DEATH]

Perhaps that's the heat exchanger for the W2A?
Just a guess cause IDK.

[x_itchy_b_x]

nothing has couplers guys i think hes just mocking it up or still in the installation.

[celicast3sgte]

Perhaps that's the heat exchanger for the W2A?
Just a guess cause IDK.

very observant! i was at work when i read this the first time. if you look closely at the end of the front cooler its a normal XS power looking intercooler with a water line plumbed into it (making a VERY efficient w2a) assuming his core is just as efficient.

i noticed the no clamps over the couplers too itchy. all that shinny motor i hope your planning on cleaning the bay up some??

[thespacepanda]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

This post has been edited by thespacepanda: Jan 25, 2008 - 11:16 PM

[Havok1997GT]

NICE!

[thespacepanda]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

[BltnotBgt]

Are you going to put the power steering back, or just have fun in parking lots?

Looks like a pretty decent project. I am definitely interested in how you did the rear subframe and driveshaft...

I'd suggest that you get a real Spearco core instead of the crappy XS Power one. I've seen both in person and you will get much better performance out of the Spearco. Also, the water flow through the XS Power core is horrible, and you will have trouble filling it all the way with water (there is no way to bleed air out of it). I would also suggest going back to the stock exhaust manifold. Port it if you want more flow.... Or at the very least, make sure you put plenty of heat protection around the manifold you have in there now - you will be melting that coupling and cracking the manifold if you aren't careful.

-Charlie

Well as far as the XS Power, I imagine, there is a lil air pocket at the top corner, but that can be easily be remedied with a bleeder installed. Water flow seems to be just fine, but I am using a Meziere water pump.

The stock manifold? , I'm not sure what your trying to get across there, this manifold will flow more than stock, no matter how much its ported. As far as heat melting the coupler, I guess the picture is pretty decieving, for the coupler is nearly 2" from the manifold. I suppose if needed a heat shield could be fabbed up. Ive got these manifolds installed on 2 other cars, and have not had isuues with cracking.

[BltnotBgt]

what i wanna know is how come you have 2 intercoolers and only the a2w is hooked up???

LoL, figured someone would ask about that. The intercooler in the front is a regular front mount converted to work as the heat exchanger for the air to water. There is 2 9" puller fans mounted to the back side.

[BltnotBgt]

Perhaps that's the heat exchanger for the W2A?
Just a guess cause IDK.

very observant! i was at work when i read this the first time. if you look closely at the end of the front cooler its a normal XS power looking intercooler with a water line plumbed into it (making a VERY efficient w2a) assuming his core is just as efficient.

i noticed the no clamps over the couplers too itchy. all that shinny motor i hope your planning on cleaning the bay up some??

Yea, eventually after the car has been driven and the quirks worked out, everything will come back apart, and the car will get fresh paint. I want to be 100% sure everything is done and stress tested, before its painted.

[DatDudeJoey]

that thing is beautifulll man
im plannin to get that swap instead of a damn supra

how much did the swap cost with everything?

[lagos]

The problem with using that manifold is that it will only be a matter of time till it cracks on you, so just keep an eye on it. Stock cast manifolds have been used by the mr2 guys on very high hp cars with great success. There are a few threads about this on mr2oc.

Anyway... welcome to the site, its always nice to see another swap on here, especially one with an upgraded turbo.

[Celicav]

Nice work! Any how to or parts list you can add will be beneficial to everyone.

[BltnotBgt]

The problem with using that manifold is that it will only be a matter of time till it cracks on you, so just keep an eye on it. Stock cast manifolds have been used by the mr2 guys on very high hp cars with great success. There are a few threads about this on mr2oc.

Anyway... welcome to the site, its always nice to see another swap on here, especially one with an upgraded turbo.

Ive been installing SS Turbo manifolds on just about every turbo kit I Install, and have friends with the exact manifold on their 3sgte's, and have never had issues with them, I know they are more prone to fatigue cracks, if the weight of the turbo/manifold are not supported properly. Hey you never know what can happen though, ill be sure to keep an eye on it. Then again for the price, Id replace it every year, if it meant not putting the stock cast manifold back on.

For those interested in a parts list, ill try to throw it all up this weekend. as far as price, lol you prolly dont really want to know.

All said and done were looking at close to 18,000, but there really isnt much left that even resembles stock. That includes the cost of the car, the frame straighting, misc body parts, the clip, rear cradle/driveshaft, machine shop costs, and an absolutely huge list of aftermarket parts. To look at the pictures of how it sits rite now, you wouldnt think theres that much there, but it adds up so quick.

[x_itchy_b_x]

the stocker manifold actually performs better. a turbo is partly driven by heat. heat is lost with thin tube manifolds. (I've cracked one of the manifolds with all the proper bracing) the cast iron holds all the heat and helps drive the turbo.
How much power are you looking at making?

are your 3sgte friends on this site?

[supershannon77]

good luck.

[BltnotBgt]

the stocker manifold actually performs better. a turbo is partly driven by heat. heat is lost with thin tube manifolds. (I've cracked one of the manifolds with all the proper bracing) the cast iron holds all the heat and helps drive the turbo.
How much power are you looking at making?

are your 3sgte friends on this site?

The bulk of the work is done by the engine pushing the exhaust out. Although I will concede the turbine is partially driven by the hot exhaust gases wanting to expand. I suppose if your needing to pull every ounce of power, then the extra 10hp from having a ported stock manifold that holds in heat is for you.
LoL.

Now if we could stop talking about my ****ty manifold, thats going to crack to pieces, and cause the deaths of a small somoen family? LoL

[stephen_lee]

i request pictures of the awd setup. possibly even a run through of what you did?

[6G94celica]

ya extremely interested in a parts list and pics of the awd setup,

[BltnotBgt]

Took some pictures of the driveshaft, and rear end. Hard to get good pictures with everything up in place. When it all comes back apart, Ill try to get some better pictures.

[playr158]

wow, looks pretty good.
I'll be interested to see the after effects/issues/success when its done and driven.

Welcome and good luck

[6GenCelicaST]

I love that hood. Is it a stock or hood or di you buy it like that?

[bccentaur3]

You don't happen to have any pictures of the rear subframe to mount the rear differential? Like pictures of it before you installed it onto the car.

[BltnotBgt]

The carbon fiber hood is from VIS

The only picture I have of the rear cradle before it was installed, is on the first page

[lagos]

who did the rear end work?

This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 28, 2008 - 2:27 AM

[Random_Stranger]

Yeah, a price guide and a walk through would be lovely. If possible for me to do this, I promise to say "Screw getting an RX7" (unless I made a ridiculous amount of money in the future). Because my car really is growing on me. I can swing a pay off for california specs, if this is reasonable.

[DEATH]

Now if we could stop talking about my ****ty manifold, thats going to crack to pieces, and cause the deaths of a small somoen family? LoL

Don't worry - that's just how they help around here. They are not trying to wish you disaster or harp on you for your descision. There's just alot of experience around here [cracking manifolds included] and this is their way of offering advice.
Bada$$ car - hope you keep us updated.

[phattyduck]

You don't happen to have any pictures of the rear subframe to mount the rear differential? Like pictures of it before you installed it onto the car.

All the important parts are visible in the pics he just posted. There are only 4 main mounts to the chassis. The differential and the suspension arms bolt to that main cradle. There are pics of the subframe out of the car on alltrac.net and other sites.

It took a little thinking, but I assume it was done right: The inner/chassis connections of each arm are all level with each other and then the crossmember pretty much would level and locate itself. Its not a project I would want to take on myself (why I bought my own version of an Alltrac!), but the rear end work on this is nice and looks like it should work out well.

Its amazing how much room is left back there once you remove the orignal gas tank.

-Charlie

[celi_gt_racer]

dude... this is a killer project. can't wait to see it on the road.
p.s. - you stole my wheels... give em back!

[cjh4l22]

all i gotta say is "i-m-fu(king-pressed!!" thats a sick ass project. can we get some how-to's up here? lol and what about that rear end... want some details on whether or not thats a plug-n-play-type-esq situation or if it's mainly custom work..

[Punch]

this set up is hott and the parts are all U.S. I love it...

[celicast3sgte]

thats my favorite part of this car. majority of the parts are US. so you wont be waiting weeks on end for parts to arrive.

[Defgeph]

SICK keep it up