Underpowered st major traction issues, just mine or everyones? Options

[mikecelica]

Is it just something wrong wit my car or is all st's have bad traction... even with 110hp my car spins and jumps from a take off pretty badly. My clutch is stock and is still very good, i got stock tires/rims but even so it just doesnt seem to have good traction so once its turboed i dun even wana think about all the spinning it will have from take off.

[Havok1997GT]

i have a GT and have the same problem. but i think i know what the problem is

1. both mine and yours have the stock clutch. They are crap. the sweet spot is so long that its hard to judge how much gas and how much cluch to release. Toyotas and the way the throttle reacts is very different, to me atleast, then any other car ive drove.

2. i noticed a big difference when i got Z rated tires on the car. Better gripping tires, better grip.


Panda has a stage 1 clutch on his car and i never just in his, so im pretty sure its the crap clutch that toyota put in these cars.

[Batman722]

yea the OEM clutch isn't really the problem...

it has a lot to do with the suspension, the tires, and the fact that these cars make a very good amout of torque down low in spite of the low hp.

if you can easily spin the tires, you need better tires.

[airfron]

yeah the clutch doesn't have much to do with it. with some sticky tires they'll barely spin and you'll see how slow the car really is.

[95st-celica]

personally i like to spin in first...make the car sound like its faster then what it really is..lol...plus with all the tourque i can spin all the way through first...and cherp/spin a tiny bit through second....even with the slow 1.8/st...if you know how to launch and drive your car properly you can beat older honda hatchs/crx's and **** like that...i need new tires though i have 4 different tires on all my rims and i think thats mainly the problem...suspension mods. would def. cut down on spinning and a better clutch is only gonna make you spin more caus it grabs better

[GriffGirl]

UH, IS IT ICEY OUT!? j/k... sounds like you need new tires though. I have CRAP tires for PNW winters, but I still don't have that problem. Could be you just need to not gas it so hard off stops.

[Mangozac]

Could be you just need to not gas it so hard off stops.

Come on now where's the fun in that?

My tyres spin often enough when it's dry and pretty much continually taking off in the wet. But they are pretty worn so I have to get some new ones soon. I'm making sure that my spare is inflated just in case

[bccentaur3]

wouldn't worn out motor mounts cause horrible traction?

[Havok1997GT]

yea the OEM clutch isn't really the problem...

it has a lot to do with the suspension, the tires, and the fact that these cars make a very good amout of torque down low in spite of the low hp.

if you can easily spin the tires, you need better tires.

i have new tires, and i still does it. Now before you think i just cant drive standard, ive been driving them all my driving life, in many different cars. The stock clutch sucks on these cars, but then again the guy that i bought mine from said he had just replaced it so im also thinking that he bought a crapy off brand clutch to save money. the car had a lot of cheap fixs on it when i got it.

im really not trying to make myself look like a bad @$$ but ive been driving standard for sometime now and ive never had this problem. But the solution is simple. Stage 2 clutch

[Batman722]

ok this insanity has to stop.

A clutch is made to put the power/torque to the wheels. If a clutch is bad/worn/crappy then it won't do that. It would slip and the wheels would NOT be able to spin easily or spin at all. An OEM clutch is made to be easy and lightly slip for easy starting from a stop with our low hp/torque cars.

A stage 2/3/4 or whatever stage is made NOT TO slip or slip signifigently less. A Stage 2 disk for example is rated for higher torque which can hold to the pressure plate better and therefore SPIN the wheels when you press the gas pedal. Spinning your wheels is because your clutch grips like a mo fo.

why do people have to get a better clutch when they turbo ? because of the higher torque they now have and an OEM clutch can't handle the torque - meaning it slips and the disk burns out and the tires don't spin at all.

If you can spin the wheels easily you have either :

a. bad tires (not necessarily old)
b. a heavy right foot
c. a lot of torque
d. all of the above

my advise, don't press the gas pedal so hard.

[Celicav]

ok this insanity has to stop.

A clutch is made to put the power/torque to the wheels. If a clutch is bad/worn/crappy then it won't do that. It would slip and the wheels would NOT be able to spin easily or spin at all. An OEM clutch is made to be easy and lightly slip for easy starting from a stop with our low hp/torque cars.

A stage 2/3/4 or whatever stage is made NOT TO slip or slip signifigently less. A Stage 2 disk for example is rated for higher torque which can hold to the pressure plate better and therefore SPIN the wheels when you press the gas pedal. Spinning your wheels is because your clutch grips like a mo fo.

why do people have to get a better clutch when they turbo ? because of the higher torque they now have and an OEM clutch can't handle the torque - meaning it slips and the disk burns out and the tires don't spin at all.

If you can spin the wheels easily you have either :

a. bad tires (not necessarily old)
b. a heavy right foot
c. a lot of torque
d. all of the above

my advise, don't press the gas pedal so hard.

Well said...so if you plan to turbo, you pretty much need to upgrade the clutch. Dustin knows what he is talking about.

[Random_Stranger]

I can't believe I've just read this topic. Dude, I am in the same boat. I even just had my clutch replaced and at first it was cool. Now that I have had it in for about a little over a week, when I accelerate, the tires spin quick (not a chirp) but it doesn't quite catch right away. Maybe my tires suck. I dunno.

[bizzerk]

dang how much gas do you guys put when you accelerate haha. D:

[Razgriz]

man, are you guys dragging from every light!? haha! i cant get the wheels spinnig unless im really trying. i used to drive hard like that, but having to keep replacing axles, clutches and tires got to be a PITA!
nowadays i drive everywhere at 1/4 to 1/2 throttle, partly because clutch is going, but otherwise your just stressing everything harder.

im not knocking spirited driving, its fun. but you end up paying for it more often than ideal!

[politicsareevil]

Easy answer. Its your suspension. Your car is able to sink back when it goes to launch when it sinks back on launch it takes weight off the front leaving your skinny crappy tires to lose traction. Get wider z rated tires and a new suspension setup and you will never chirp a tire unless you want to.

- Matt

[pabel89]

when i first bought my celica it had a bad clutch, so every time i tried to get out hard it wouldnt, the tires didnt even spin, because the clutch was slipping, so i bought a oem clutch from pepboys, i got it installed the car felt really diffrent it even turned of on me a couple of time i wasnt use to it. right now the clutch has 3500 miles on it. and im running 7psi daily and the car does not have traccion issue...it all depend how you guys leave.what RPMS you bring it up to before letting the clutch go.also idk but mayb alot of traccion issue are because are cars are FF.usally RR take of way better.

This post has been edited by pabel89: Feb 18, 2008 - 10:50 PM

[playr158]

learn how to drive.....



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This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 18, 2008 - 10:55 PM

[Kwanza26]

learn how to drive.....



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another one of those rare occasions when we can openly agree...

[Havok1997GT]

ok this insanity has to stop.

A clutch is made to put the power/torque to the wheels. If a clutch is bad/worn/crappy then it won't do that. It would slip and the wheels would NOT be able to spin easily or spin at all. An OEM clutch is made to be easy and lightly slip for easy starting from a stop with our low hp/torque cars.

A stage 2/3/4 or whatever stage is made NOT TO slip or slip signifigently less. A Stage 2 disk for example is rated for higher torque which can hold to the pressure plate better and therefore SPIN the wheels when you press the gas pedal. Spinning your wheels is because your clutch grips like a mo fo.

why do people have to get a better clutch when they turbo ? because of the higher torque they now have and an OEM clutch can't handle the torque - meaning it slips and the disk burns out and the tires don't spin at all.

If you can spin the wheels easily you have either :

a. bad tires (not necessarily old)
b. a heavy right foot
c. a lot of torque
d. all of the above

my advise, don't press the gas pedal so hard.

Well said...so if you plan to turbo, you pretty much need to upgrade the clutch. Dustin knows what he is talking about.

Look.

Im not pressing the gas to hard. My Tires arent old, or worn. these cars may have a lot of torque. but not as much as a 5.0 Mustang or some of the other cars ive driven. im not saying you dont know what your talking about, infact i agree with you on what you have said. all im sayin is that the clutch in my car, which because i have not pulled the box and checked, im ASSUMING is a OEM toyota clutch, sucks. Those are not the only reason you would be spining your tires either. If your clutch is to soft your going to have a real hard time finding where to release and if you ride the clutch while trying to find the release point,then your going to spin the tires when you let go. From what ive seen on these cars the clutches are really soft making it hard to judge where to release. This could be the reason the kid is spining his tires. this would also have nothing to do with tires or a heavy foot.

Again, as i stated earlier, this might just be my cars clutch but i thought he might have had the same problem as me. Im glad Dustin knows what he is talking about, but i know my foot and i know my tires and this is not the problem. the clutch is the problem because its to soft and if your not use to a soft clutch or have never driven a Standard, if you have a soft clutch your going to run into a spinning tire problem. Thus making the OEM clutch suck.

[punkuup5150]

ok i wish i had this problem i can even get my tired to spin and cant figure out how i mean i do have an auto but u can usually go in reverse and put it into gear and spin them i cant on my celi haha i know this is soo bad for the tranny but its fun to hear the tires chirp but they dont spin

This post has been edited by punkuup5150: Feb 19, 2008 - 1:25 PM