The motor in my celica now rests in peace. now w/ PICS, Bad rod bearing/nice hole in the block Options

[stephen_lee]

Well Saturday I was cruising 410 in San Antonio w/my friend, putting miles on the Integra I built Friday, at about 75. Wasn't speeding, racing, or putting any unnecessary stress on my car at the time. Well an incline came alone and my slushbox decides it needs to down shift. So I'm going up a hill at about 4.5K rpm. and i hear this quiet tapping start. then it slowly gets louder. I call up my friend real quick and tell him i blew my engine, so we pull over at the next exit. I top off my oil and we decide to go back to where we were staying that weekend. 10-15 miles away. So I drive back. Tapping slowly getting worse. So by the time I get into the Garage I'm stuck w/ this:
Video

This post has been edited by stephen_lee: May 21, 2008 - 8:04 PM

[DEATH]

Ouch bro - sorry to hear that. Swap it - you already have one small motor and a 1mz-fe swap ought to be a peice of cake

[stephen_lee]

money now... isnt too abundant. it may be a bit before i can swap. so i may just do a quick rebuild so i can drive it again.

im really looking at the 3VZ-FE, though. almost bought one and all.. but that fell through

This post has been edited by stephen_lee: Apr 28, 2008 - 5:01 PM

[stephen_lee]

So does anyone think i could just replace all the rod bearings to get away with this for a few months?

[politicsareevil]

I got a 7a-fe full engine for sale..... in houston....

- Matt

[alltracman78]

I can't check the video [I'm at work], but I'm assuming you have rod knock.

You most definitly have a chance of the engine running fine if you just replace the bearings, but there's no guarantee. It all depends how badly you damaged the crank [if any] while you drove it like that.

Parts for this will be relatively cheap, 8 bearings [or 2 if you just do 1 rod], FPIG or silicone and exhaust gaskets/bolts/nuts.
Labor is a bit more, probably 2 - 3 hours.

[stephen_lee]

I can't check the video [I'm at work], but I'm assuming you have rod knock.

You most definitly have a chance of the engine running fine if you just replace the bearings, but there's no guarantee. It all depends how badly you damaged the crank [if any] while you drove it like that.

Parts for this will be relatively cheap, 8 bearings [or 2 if you just do 1 rod], FPIG or silicone and exhaust gaskets/bolts/nuts.
Labor is a bit more, probably 2 - 3 hours.

labor?
no no no. i don't do "labor" lol
i do it myself. i have a rebuild, a performance build under my belt, with a swap in progress.
i can pull off rod bearings

im pretty sure its rod knock. definatly from the bottom end, engine runs on 4 cyl so i assume its not thrown or anything. just a little lost power. still idles and starts fine

[6G96GT]

I spun all the rod bearings on a Talon TSI i had and then turned the crank cause it was scored, replaced the rod/main bearings and then drove it for 250 miles before it spun another bearing...problem was in the oil pump, it got all chewed up apparently.

[stephen_lee]

wow so i bought the bearings. they are TINY compared to the B18 i built

no wonder they had problems lol i will update in a few days as to how the motor stands

edit: i bought all 8 bearings. it sounded like i got just 2

This post has been edited by stephen_lee: May 2, 2008 - 3:28 PM

[DEATH]

Good luck man

This post has been edited by DEATH: May 2, 2008 - 3:28 PM

[x_itchy_b_x]

b18 ones are large because it has an aluminum block.
cast iron blocks need less support.

[addictions]

I got a 7a-fe full engine for sale..... in houston....

- Matt

This post has been edited by addictions: May 3, 2008 - 12:39 PM

[stephen_lee]

ok, bearing in, crank was just a bit chewed, but i think it'll be ok.

engine runs again, no knock. hopefully nothing else will surface

[stephen_lee]

bearing in cyl 1 was non existent.. found .... its pieces in the bottom of the oil pan cyl 2 was pretty bad, but still there. others were ok.
the rod was so loose on that cyl. it was just banging around

This post has been edited by stephen_lee: May 3, 2008 - 9:25 PM

[njccmd2002]

bearing in cyl 1 was non existent.. found .... its pieces in the bottom of the oil pan cyl 2 was pretty bad, but still there. others were ok.

pics, pics, so we can see, only if you can

[stephen_lee]

Sorry guys, i lost my camera

lets just say that it looked like aluminum foil shaved up.

[stephen_lee]

new isssues.
motor is dead.
threw a rod this time. nice hole in the block
im getting a new 7a soon so its ok

[DEATH]

Damn man - sorry to hear that.
Just swap it and make this whole situation a success story

[stephen_lee]

GOOD IDEA haha. i should start collecting parts.

parts list:
3vz fe
e153
st205 mounts
st205 shift cables
shifter assy.
custom passenger mount
MegaSquirt
axles
some wire lol

[deliriouzgtfour]

Thats how my car sounds when im driving down the road. I can feel it and hear it from underneath. CV boots still good with no tears. If anyone has an idea what it is pls feel free to PM me ..thanks

[gate4sweden]

hi thats how my first engine broke!

[stephen_lee]

sorry to say, but it may not last much longer
CVs are fine? are motor mounts fine?
does it get louder w/ higher RPMs?

[stephen_lee]

so i pulled my 7A today to find 1.5 inch hole and one 3 inch hole in the block.

what should make you all proud is that i drove it up to the area where i pulled the engine from

no pics sadly. lost my digi cam

This post has been edited by stephen_lee: May 21, 2008 - 7:25 PM

[stephen_lee]

used my cell to take pictures as i pulled the engine apart
here are some nice little finds i'd say

[xs94st]

eeep. good luck man.

[Bitter]

speed holes!

[xs94st]

^^^ lol ^^^

increases airflow guaranteed +25HP!!

[Bitter]

boost ports dude, just like a 2 stroke!

[stephen_lee]

^^^ lol ^^^

increases airflow guaranteed +25HP!!

hahah so now maybe i can go 135 in that car

autos are slow. haha im still so surprised it stareted and drove like that.
also, theres no picture, but i found the bottom half of the rod wedged between the piston & crank in a way that it would have bounced around.

[DEATH]

Carnage!
It's a sign Steven - truly. The 7A is not enough motor for you.
Swap

[D-Man]

Very nice... like a cat in a blender....

That sucks... Good luck with it...

X2 w/ DEATH, swap it for something that's... NOT so fragile...

[sous710]

oh man thats awsome. those berings looked like pieces of chewed gum.

[monkey]

mm look on the bright side, 3 cyl has les rotational mass!

[njccmd2002]

sounds like a sewing machine

holy cow, those are huge holes....

[stephen_lee]

another really sad thing is that it threw the rod at only 2500 RPM
i will swap, just not this car 7A is perfect for everyday use.
i think the black celica will get the 3vz V6? possibly turbo later on
when i do swap, im going straight to megasquirt.
Computer based gauges, tuning.. eh ill try to learn how to tune

[stephen_lee]

BTW i LOVE how this whole car can be taken apart with
10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 19mm(F&R mounts, crank pulley) , 22mm(lugs), 30mm(cv) sockets
10, 12, & 14mm wrenches
3, 6, & 9 inch extensions
8inch breaker bar
31 inch breaker bar/impact(cvs...)
flathead & phillips screwdrivers
impact NOT really needed, though helps a lot with those CVs

[Rusty]

I cant see anything wrong...!!!!!!! thats a big whole
it s Sew-lica

what should make you all proud is that i drove it up to the area where i pulled the engine from

[mariosdarkworld]

......sorta random but wats the name of that song sorry lol but dude that sucks that ur car broke down

[stephen_lee]

its never too late - three days grace

and the engine blew while listening to celebrate the summer - dj babyboi

[stephen_lee]

well tomorrow i start pulling the engine out of the black celi to swap it into the red celi.
i shall take more pics for us all to see

[Bitter]

BTW i LOVE how this whole car can be taken apart with
10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 19mm(F&R mounts, crank pulley) , 22mm(lugs), 30mm(cv) sockets
10, 12, & 14mm wrenches
3, 6, & 9 inch extensions
8inch breaker bar
31 inch breaker bar/impact(cvs...)
flathead & phillips screwdrivers
impact NOT really needed, though helps a lot with those CVs

dude, asian imports are all like that. just a handful of tools are needed.


'domestic' cars are a horrible mix of metric and standard. european cars LOVE torx.

[stephen_lee]

BTW i LOVE how this whole car can be taken apart with
10mm, 12mm, 14mm, 19mm(F&R mounts, crank pulley) , 22mm(lugs), 30mm(cv) sockets
10, 12, & 14mm wrenches
3, 6, & 9 inch extensions
8inch breaker bar
31 inch breaker bar/impact(cvs...)
flathead & phillips screwdrivers
impact NOT really needed, though helps a lot with those CVs

dude, asian imports are all like that. just a handful of tools are needed.


'domestic' cars are a horrible mix of metric and standard. european cars LOVE torx.

yah honda is pretty much the same lol

i've only worked on two chevys so idk about domestic to well

[stephen_lee]

engine is back in and she is now a standard!

its been running/driving for over a day now

i feel a little accomplished as i pulled an engine, did an auto/manual conversion, and dropped an engine back in, in a day and a half.

idk how 'good' that is, but to me it seems a lil above average

im ready to swap soon

[DEATH]

Yeah - that's impressive Steven. Nice work.

[GT4KNG]

Well Saturday I was cruising 410 in San Antonio w/my friend, putting miles on the Integra I built Friday, at about 75. Wasn't speeding, racing, or putting any unnecessary stress on my car at the time. Well an incline came alone and my slushbox decides it needs to down shift. So I'm going up a hill at about 4.5K rpm. and i hear this quiet tapping start. then it slowly gets louder. I call up my friend real quick and tell him i blew my engine, so we pull over at the next exit. I top off my oil and we decide to go back to where we were staying that weekend. 10-15 miles away. So I drive back. Tapping slowly getting worse. So by the time I get into the Garage I'm stuck w/ this:
Video

my friend i believe that you have bottom end problem piston is slapping on the bores so yeah..but if you want to rebuild it or you want to put a new engine in there...if it was my car i would put a 3sgte engine in there with mr2 gearbox

[stephen_lee]

Well Saturday I was cruising 410 in San Antonio w/my friend, putting miles on the Integra I built Friday, at about 75. Wasn't speeding, racing, or putting any unnecessary stress on my car at the time. Well an incline came alone and my slushbox decides it needs to down shift. So I'm going up a hill at about 4.5K rpm. and i hear this quiet tapping start. then it slowly gets louder. I call up my friend real quick and tell him i blew my engine, so we pull over at the next exit. I top off my oil and we decide to go back to where we were staying that weekend. 10-15 miles away. So I drive back. Tapping slowly getting worse. So by the time I get into the Garage I'm stuck w/ this:
Video

my friend i believe that you have bottom end problem piston is slapping on the bores so yeah..but if you want to rebuild it or you want to put a new engine in there...if it was my car i would put a 3sgte engine in there with mr2 gearbox

yeah man. theres pictures on page 2 of the carnage lol

[ej8ferio702]

speed holes!

^^^ lol ^^^

increases airflow guaranteed +25HP!!

haha love that speed hole comment..lol.. but hey i guess thats a good sign..SWAP FTW! lol.. good luck

[stephen_lee]

running over a week. no issues/leaks/shifting issues

im gettin good lol

[Dragondog]

i know its bad comparison but my fords engin did the same thing at first my tranny went out had a swap done then my radiator went out fried the engin replaced almost the whole motor then head gaskets AGAIN, then the lifters if im calling them right (pushung the push rods) ((did not have ohc))....lifter had shatterd and the crackshaft had dented and warped........then after fixing...the oil pick up was not working all happend within a year so now i gave up and bought a celica and the ford after a year and a half is still sitting there with half the engin taken apart.........for as long as i knew what a car was i hated fords...and thats y

[stephen_lee]

i know its bad comparison but my fords engin did the same thing at first my tranny went out had a swap done then my radiator went out fried the engin replaced almost the whole motor then head gaskets AGAIN, then the lifters if im calling them right (pushung the push rods) ((did not have ohc))....lifter had shatterd and the crackshaft had dented and warped........then after fixing...the oil pick up was not working all happend within a year so now i gave up and bought a celica and the ford after a year and a half is still sitting there with half the engin taken apart.........for as long as i knew what a car was i hated fords...and thats y

hahah yaeh, sounda about right what was it?

[Dragondog]

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