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 Aug 5, 2008 - 12:36 PM
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 Enthusiast  Joined Apr 18, '06 From Calgary, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 37 (100%)  |
How can I be sure I'm buying a 3rd gen 3SGTE engine? Is there a badge that will say "ST205" on the block or something like that?
I'm sorry I'm a total newb... I'm just guessing here: ST185 is for the 2nd GEN 3SGTE, correct? So, where on the engine would I look to ensure it was from a ST205? -------------------- |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 1:42 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 2, '07 From Great Western Plateau Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
If your bying a clip its pretty obvious, if not you can look for the W2A intercooler. The st185 has A2A and AFM while the 3rd gen uses MAP (there are no chunk of block on the intake pipe). There are more ways but these are the obvious ones.
Edit: KAOS man you should know better than this, you've been here for over 2 years. 
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Aug 5, 2008 - 1:57 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 18, '06 From Calgary, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 37 (100%) |
I know... but I've never bothered to research engine swaps until now... Thanks for the 411!!!
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Aug 5, 2008 - 2:25 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 19, '07 From tx Currently Offline Reputation: 22 (100%) |
You're gonna want a clip anyway so it's gonna be obvious. The ST-205 W2A is HUGE.
Plus the obvious differences in body parts. --------------------  ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI] PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYO SUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/ INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper Sports EXT: WRC/TRD/404 QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM)  Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them. Slow down Paul Walker. 6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url] |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 2:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Jun 13, '07 From U.K Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
At the back of the engine bay there should be a plaque, thats if you get the chance to see a gt4 engine bay
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Aug 5, 2008 - 2:49 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Summerville, SC Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Don't use the Water to air intercooler as the way to tell, because the ST185 RC uses the same setup. Look at the intake manifold: if there are 8 runners, it's a gen 2, if there are 4 runners, it's a gen 3 (or 4).
The gen 4 uses a side-inlet intake manifold and a huge air to air intercooler. -Doc This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Aug 5, 2008 - 2:50 PM -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 2:52 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 19, '07 From tx Currently Offline Reputation: 22 (100%) |
Very true but the RC version is much smaller and the 165 is even smaller than that.
He's right tho - the intake runners and shape would be more telling. -------------------- ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI] PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYO SUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/ INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper Sports EXT: WRC/TRD/404 QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM) Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them. Slow down Paul Walker. 6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url] |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 3:05 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Summerville, SC Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Are you sure the RC version is smaller? I know there are a couple differences but I thought it was basically the same size.
-Doc -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 3:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 19, '07 From tx Currently Offline Reputation: 22 (100%) |
Damn. Someone took that pic of the ST-205 one down but I have a pic of the other two side by side. Give me a few.
BTW - I'm just going on what I read and have seen from pictures. I've only ever had my hands on ST-165 W2A and ST-215 A2A. BRB -------------------- ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI] PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYO SUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/ INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper Sports EXT: WRC/TRD/404 QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM) Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them. Slow down Paul Walker. 6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url] |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 3:29 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Summerville, SC Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
The ST165 WTA intercooler is VERY small, that's for sure. It's almost funny to look at!
-Doc -------------------- -Dr Tweak, 6GC's resident engine swap wiring expert extraordinaire Click here to see my swaps drtweak@phoenixtuning.com |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 3:30 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 19, '07 From tx Currently Offline Reputation: 22 (100%) |
LOL yeah here's that one:
 Notice how the RC one has a decently long pipe coming from the Turbo? If I can find that pic of the ST-205 that will make this obvious for you. This post has been edited by DEATH: Aug 5, 2008 - 3:31 PM -------------------- ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI] PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYO SUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/ INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper Sports EXT: WRC/TRD/404 QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM) Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them. Slow down Paul Walker. 6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url] |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 3:32 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 31, '04 From Summerville, SC Currently Offline Reputation: 5 (100%) |
Oh yeah, I see where you're going. The ST205 one is a little deeper, isn't it.
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Aug 5, 2008 - 3:51 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 19, '07 From tx Currently Offline Reputation: 22 (100%) |
Yeah fcuk it - I can't find a pic and you're intake runner method is the better way to check anyway. Use that method OP.
-------------------- ENGINE: '93 RC 3S-GTE/WRC CT-20b [18-20PSI] PERF: TRD/HKS/ARP/NGK/MSD/ACT/Blitz/STRI/APEX'i/TwosRus/GReddy/Magnaflo/KOYO SUSP: Tein/Bilstein/SusTech/ INT: SS-III SEATS/Toyota Hyper Sports EXT: WRC/TRD/404 QUOTE (lagos @ Aug 25, 2010 - 10:13 AM) Its a safety feature so that people like you don't end up killing themselves or everyone around them. Slow down Paul Walker. 6GC Chat - Go there: [url="http://www.griffgirl.com/forum/chat/index.php[/url] |
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Aug 5, 2008 - 6:33 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 2, '07 From Great Western Plateau Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
QUOTE (DEATH @ Aug 6, 2008 - 4:30 AM) LOL yeah here's that one: Notice how the RC one has a decently long pipe coming from the Turbo? If I can find that pic of the ST-205 that will make this obvious for you. Here it is doc, a bit bigger & thicker (I think), should be black all the way but I wrapped mine with heat foil.  
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Aug 5, 2008 - 7:01 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Dec 15, '02 From Tasmania(Australia) Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
the 205 wta is a bit bigger then the 185 one
gen 2 3sgte have the 8 inlet mani runners, the badge on the inlet mani saying 2000 twin entry turbo (and cermaics power also if its jdm) gen 2 have a gay hard line comming out of the rocker cover and turning 90 deg heading away from the motor at the back (pcv line) around above the exhaust cam. gen 2 have afm gen 2 have the oil filter on the block next to the exhaust manifold gen 3 have 4 runners in the inlet manifold, the plenum is a bit bigger with no badge and smoother shape. gen 3 have one large diameter vertical hard line thats about 30mm long for pcv, also on the back of the rocker cover but its above the inlet cam. gen 3 oil filter is next to the sump below the motor. gen 3 wta intercooler has an extra opening that goes to the factory bov (opening next to the intercoolers inlet pipe) gen 3 have map sensor This post has been edited by Cuts_the_Pilot: Aug 5, 2008 - 7:03 PM -------------------- ST205 Group A Rallye GT-Four, #61 of 77............600hp GT3582r
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Aug 7, 2008 - 12:21 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Apr 17, '07 From Montreal, QC, Canada Currently Offline Reputation: 1 (100%) |
Seems like everyone forgot about the turbo.
CT26 for ST185 CT20B for ST205 -------------------- |
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Aug 7, 2008 - 12:36 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 2, '07 From Great Western Plateau Currently Offline Reputation: 9 (100%) |
QUOTE (reko @ Aug 8, 2008 - 1:21 AM) Seems like everyone forgot about the turbo. CT26 for ST185 CT20B for ST205 Some ct26 dont say ct26 on the housing making it kinda hard to tell. I know mine doesnt. 
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