HELP!!, Car not turning off Options

[D-Man]

Okay, i just pulled up to my shop, and when i turned my car off & removed the keys, the A/C kept blowing, and the internal lights stayed on. It is in park, and it clicked past ACC back to norm, but the car is not fully shutting off. My fuel pump is staying in "ready-mode" because as i toggle the key thru the ignition options, it dosen't shut-off and re-prime.

We're having a LOT of rain out right now, maybe that has something to do with it. B/c of the rain, i'd rather not go and disconect the batt (there is supposed to be a huricane goin on here, right now i'm just getting heavy rain, but i need the car ready to go incase something happends.) I really dont want my batt dieing either and having to re-charge it in our little monsoon either...

Ideas, tips, solutions?

[DEATH]

Oh sh*t - that's a weird one. Better disconnect it maybe? Perhaps that'll reset something - damnit IDK. That ones got me stumped.

[D-Man]

I'm guessing it could be a N/O relay stuck closed somewhere... I wouldn't even know where to look though, and i i dont wanna go playing with relays and battery's in this weather... and dont have my garage yet either

My boss is cool and said (hell we have had 2 phone calls all day ) but he'll let me run out every hour or so and restart it and run it a bit, i know that's not best for the battary, but our building is old and looses power all the time, i dont want to have to re-connect or re-charge when the weather gets that bad.

[Fastbird]

Could be the ignition switch, something could have let loose on the inside and the proper terminals aren't being let loose.

[D-Man]

Could be the ignition switch, something could have let loose on the inside and the proper terminals aren't being let loose.

how do i go about removing it so i can find out?

[GriffGirl]

You have an automatic, don't you? Make sure it's "clicked" into P.

[D-Man]

You have an automatic, don't you? Make sure it's "clicked" into P.

It is. I restarted the car and re-checked it a few times.

Plus, the key comes out, hell, the keys are in my pocket right now! and i havn't removed the locking pin yet (mostly because the ignition switch has a horribly long shaft that i didn't feel like puling so i could take it out)

[stevest202]

You have an automatic, don't you? Make sure it's "clicked" into P.

It is. I restarted the car and re-checked it a few times.

Plus, the key comes out, hell, the keys are in my pocket right now! and i havn't removed the locking pin yet (mostly because the ignition switch has a horribly long shaft that i didn't feel like puling so i could take it out)

it sounds like the ignition barrel you could pull the connector to barrell to isolate to see if that turns all off

[Dr_Tweak]

Yeah sounds like the ignition switch is stuck on. If you climb under the dash on the driver's side, follow the ignition barrel down, (opposite where the key goes in), there's a plug with like 5-6 large wires going to it. That's the ignition switch. For a temporary fix you could just unplug that plug.

-Doc

[D-Man]

Yeah sounds like the ignition switch is stuck on. If you climb under the dash on the driver's side, follow the ignition barrel down, (opposite where the key goes in), there's a plug with like 5-6 large wires going to it. That's the ignition switch. For a temporary fix you could just unplug that plug.

-Doc

SWEET, that sounds like the kind of solution that'd be right for me for the time being! (till i get home) I'll try that the next hour when i goto re-charge the battery.

And just to make sure I've got this right: it's going to be near the gas petal, right?

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 5, 2008 - 2:54 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

Yeah sounds like the ignition switch is stuck on. If you climb under the dash on the driver's side, follow the ignition barrel down, (opposite where the key goes in), there's a plug with like 5-6 large wires going to it. That's the ignition switch. For a temporary fix you could just unplug that plug.

-Doc

SWEET, that sounds like the kind of solution that'd be right for me for the time being! (till i get home) I'll try that the next hour when i goto re-charge the battery.

And just to make sure I've got this right: I follow the ignition barrel, untill it ends; then wires flow out of it; and i'll follow the wires; to the connecting harness; and unplug their... Correct?

Not quite, you unplug it RIGHT AT the end of the ignition barrel, no following of wires needed.

-Doc

[D-Man]

Not quite, you unplug it RIGHT AT the end of the ignition barrel, no following of wires needed.

-Doc

Right on, but note my edit, (sorry, i was dealing with a customer)

It's near the gas petal? or atleast in that general direction, yeah? Or am i thinking of the WRONG "opposite" direction?



This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 5, 2008 - 2:59 PM

[DEATH]

NVM - Wrong car

This post has been edited by DEATH: Aug 5, 2008 - 3:00 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

Not quite, you unplug it RIGHT AT the end of the ignition barrel, no following of wires needed.

-Doc

Right on, but note my edit, (sorry, i was dealing with a customer)

It's near the gas petal? or atleast in that general direction, yeah? Or am i thinking of the WRONG "opposite" direction?

Well it's in that general direction but the ignition barrel isn't *that* long

-Doc

[D-Man]

NVM - Wrong car

DAMNIT!! well... I just gotta figure it out in 60 seconds or less when i goto restart my car at 4.00-4.30ish That way i can re-charge and power down.

Thanks you guys for all of your help. I hope it works.

Incase it doesn't, what else should i look for? (remember i'm new to the celica's) Is their a relay in the fuse panel that is activated via power through the ACC line? or is the ACC setting actually a switch for the power to flow through the fuse panel?

[Dr_Tweak]

Pulling the engine main relay should do it... or the large fuses in the engine bay fusebox (all but the 100-amp).

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Aug 5, 2008 - 3:13 PM

[DEATH]

D-man - there is ony one screw in your way man and it's right under the ignition ring. Remove it and that side of the plastic underneath will pop down. Then you will be able to get to the barrel.
Try not to go pulling those fuses and complicate your problem if possible. Do what Tweak said - it's gonna be easy to find.
I don't get off until 6:30 today

[D-Man]

Yeah sounds like the ignition switch is stuck on. If you climb under the dash on the driver's side, follow the ignition barrel down, (opposite where the key goes in), there's a plug with like 5-6 large wires going to it. That's the ignition switch. For a temporary fix you could just unplug that plug.

-Doc

That didn't work... but i may have pulled the wrong one

While i was in there this last time however, i'm finding that my windows roll up and down w/o the key, but the radio does not come on... I was under the belief that the windows and the radio were on the same or parallel circuits...

Anyway, i'll try pulling some fuses when i get home if i cant figure anything else...

Just for sh!ts and giggles though, I know i have some kind of alarm system in my car, and it doesn't seem to spiffy, but (seeing as i have no remotes, i set it by poping the hood, and key-ing the ignition) Could a remote-start mechanism be fcuking something up? Because i was inspecting it while i was under their, and it seems to be shoved intheir rather crapily, and with wires running everwhere, and me jumping in and out of the car in the rain, i may have kicked something & grounded it out or something...

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 5, 2008 - 4:34 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

Yeah sounds like the ignition switch is stuck on. If you climb under the dash on the driver's side, follow the ignition barrel down, (opposite where the key goes in), there's a plug with like 5-6 large wires going to it. That's the ignition switch. For a temporary fix you could just unplug that plug.

-Doc

That didn't work... but i may have pulled the wrong one

While i was in there this last time however, i'm finding that my windows roll up and down w/o the key, but the radio does not come on... I was under the belief that the windows and the radio were on the same or parallel circuits...

Anyway, i'll try pulling some fuses when i get home if i cant figure anything else...

Just for sh!ts and giggles though, I know i have some kind of alarm system in my car, and it doesn't seem to spiffy, but (seeing as i have no remotes, i set it by poping the hood, and key-ing the ignition) Could a remote-start mechanism be fcuking something up?

Yeah definitely, especially since pulling the ignition switch plug didn't do anything, that means it's being bypassed.

-Doc

[D-Man]

Yeah definitely, especially since pulling the ignition switch plug didn't do anything, that means it's being bypassed.

-Doc

Sh!t, i was hoping you we're gunna say no... ... Okay, that means i gotta get under their and find out what this jack-ass (who-installed it) has done, and then fix it, or find something grounding out / crossing something else...

That sucks, that means this problem is all my own, and no amount of 6gc.net members or Toyota wiring diagrams can help...

Actualy, a toyota wiring diagram can help me to remove this alarm if nothing else works, Does anyone have one? 5s-fe

[blackbullet]

If you happen to take out the ignition from the back make sure not to play with it and let the wires touch any metal around that area of your car if your car is on because it will spark and could cause fuse to burn out..

[DEATH]

Ask Griffgirl. That sux dude. I know absoluetly nothing about that kind of stuff either.

[D-Man]

I know enough to know not to mess with it unless i must! Hopefuly they'll have my garage ready or it wont rain anymore today... Or i'll install a toggle switch on my battery J/K

[Havok1997GT]

Dude the alarm box itself should have a diagram of the wires that came with the alarm. that should tell you which color wire does what, that should atleast help you figure out what is what. IF you run into any trouble and this becomes out of your hands, i know some people on my side of town that are freakin awsome with alarms and this kinda stuff. I mean The Best. They are a little pricy, but worth every cent. My guy Tedy will help you all he can. Great guy.

[D-Man]

Dude the alarm box itself should have a diagram of the wires that came with the alarm. that should tell you which color wire does what, that should atleast help you figure out what is what. IF you run into any trouble and this becomes out of your hands, i know some people on my side of town that are freakin awsome with alarms and this kinda stuff. I mean The Best. They are a little pricy, but worth every cent. My guy Tedy will help you all he can. Great guy.

No dude, remember i've only had this car a few months, and the reason i bought it was because it was totaled and the guys (no-obla english deal ) wanted $700 cash. So I gave em $500 and left, gave em $200 a week later (after keeping the car, just to stay true to my word)

This car has had more people in it than... Well i'll get in trouble if i finish that statement

But the car has been SERIOUSLY neglected, i didn't install the alarm. i have NO IDEA who did. i have no idea who did alot of the "jerry-Rigging" that i find in it. The only thing i've installed is the stereo, and subs.

[Havok1997GT]

it still should have the guide on the box if it doesnt then you are screwed. If you want ill PM you my guys number.

[GriffGirl]

D-Man, PM me your email address and I'll send over the wiring diagram right now.

Check the wires under there, I wonder if you pulled out a wire or something that's supposed to be grounded? Like an "arm when grounded" type of wire function.

[D-Man]

:::UPDATE:::

Okay, It was raining last night and i didn't get a chance to dig into the alarm function, (and i'm at work already )

BUT!! i know for a fact (at least it seems and SOUNDS like) there is a relay attached to the key-ignition switch, that sends power to everything that wont turn off (inside fuse panel, right above the kick panel.)

Last night when i got home i was reading the fuse guide deciding what to take out, and (by-itself) i heard a relay; switch itself to the open position; and everything shut-off. When i went to the store (later) however, it didn't throw the relay to the open position again... I believe that relay has gone bad.

Griff, i've PM'd you my e-mail, I could really use those. Does anyone know where the "Ignition Amplification Relay" would be? (idk what it's called for sure, but that's what it does. It's obviously a N/O {normaly open} relay that closes circuit when the key is toggled into the ACC position, and it allows the second line to flow, witch is a line from the Batt into the "main functions" fuse board.) Where is this damn relay?

Thanks for the help guys, hopefuly we can get this sorted out REALLY quick

EDIT: Alarm is in perfect working order. (although this weekend it's getting yanked and re-installed properly

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 6, 2008 - 8:12 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

There is no such relay.... most likely that's an aftermarket relay that has something to do with the alarm system... or a turbo timer.

-Doc

[D-Man]

There is no such relay.... most likely that's an aftermarket relay that has something to do with the alarm system... or a turbo timer.

-Doc

I've yet to install a turbo-timer, and the car is N/A, and i'm pretty sure there has never been one.

How does the key switch in the celica work then? Component map?

[D-Man]

Okay, New developement...

I just got back from lunch, and when i turned off the car (at the post office) the A/C controls shut-off, but the power window power did not So half the problem cure'd itself... WTF...

But when i got back to my shop, it all decited to stay on, and wont go off for anything.

Is it possible that i have something wet from the recent hurricane, maybe something is leaking... idk... Maybe something that needs to dry?

[D-Man]

Well, after studying electrical breakdowns, sience 7am (currently 2pm, i had 20 min lunch and that's it ) so after 6.5 hours of studying this thing... i've come to the conclusion that theonly thing it could be is the damn ignition switch. It would seem atleast

Does anyone have a spare?

[Dr_Tweak]

It can't be the ignition switch, if it was, the problem would have gone away when you unplugged it.

-Doc

[D-Man]

True... I'm not thinking stright, staring at these wiring diagrams... Although i may not have pulled the proper harness yesterday.

BUT!! i did pull the fuses (all but the 100A as told) and that didn't help either... Although after inspecting these diagrams (cant find the windows) the A/C and heater & blowers are all on the 100a fuse, so idk wtf to do about this all...

I suppose i'll see if i can disconnect that 100a and if that helps, but that doesn't cure the problem...

I guess the first step is going to be taking out this damn alarm, or disconecting it so that it can be isolated...

[Dr_Tweak]

Pulling the 100amp requires removing the plastic housing from around the fusebox and unbolting it on each side...

-Doc

[D-Man]

what would you reccomend as far as repairs go then? what would be the easiest way to track down this problem?

[Dr_Tweak]

I would totally eliminate the alarm system and put everything back to stock.

Well, let me rephrase that, if *I* were there, I would take a multimeter and trace the problem out and figure out why it's doing that. But I've got a hunch that it's the alarm system.

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Aug 6, 2008 - 3:38 PM

[blackbullet]

If you have a alarm with a remote start then there would be a bunch of wires connected to the wires that connects to the ignition. I dont know about the engine kill thingy though on the alarm. But when i bought my car the previous owner had an alarm and took everything out except the wires and a relay that connects to the ignition wires. One day i turn off my car and didnt turn off either. took off battery and opened it up to find that wire and took it out and plug the regular ignition wires to where it should go and everything works fine again.

[D-Man]

Yeah, that's what i'm dreading. I dont have remotes to the alarm or nothing... I have no idea whats installed in this damn thing

I'll try to remove it tonight then, hopefully i'll have good news tommorow morning.

BIG thanks to griff with the MOUNTAINS of paperwork you sent me! If i could just find a month to read it all then i'd be in good shape i'm not b!tching, Its DEFF a good thing

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 6, 2008 - 4:48 PM

[D-Man]

Well, lastnight when i parked at the house, it didn't do it... When i got to work this morning, it didn't do it... Lets wait till lunch, because this may throw a whole new theory...

It may be possible (as unlikely as it seems) that durring the mad hurricane, something leaked and got something wet and caused the lines to cross... and as it dryed it got better...

Or because i promised my Celica a garage last week, and i'm barely getting the keys today, maybe she was being mean with me because i didn't make good on my offer when i said so i'll continue to re-assure her (women )

but if it continues to work perfectly, then i suppose i need to turn my attention to sealing the car up as to not leak where ever it leaked But i suppose thats an easier fix than the alternative. (still removing that damn alarm though )

i'll update after lunch (i've got to turn my car off 2wice durring lunch)

[D-Man]

interesting turn for the worst...

Alarm started beeping... for no reason... It was making that "warning" beep, ya know the quick beep before the alarm goes off? But it was doing it every second. Litterly, every second it would beep. EX: BEEP 1sec BEEP 1sec BEEP 1sec BEEP 1sec (ECT) and drained the battery.

So i got a jump and disconnected the alarm. Now the alarm isn't BEEPing anymore, but it's still back to the original problem.

Now it's not an "all the time" kinda thing either at lunch, the A/C turned off, but the windows still had power. And vice-vera this morning when i got to work. It's pretty fcukin strange. I'm going to pull eveything apart and trace all the wiring based on the diagrams that have been given to me. (Thanks Griff)

If anyone wants to suggest anything else before 5PM i'd love to hear it. I wont have internet over the weekend. Thanks guys!

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 8, 2008 - 2:02 PM

[DEATH]

Could it be the whatever controls that function of letting you roll up windows etc for 1 min after the key is removed?

[Dr_Tweak]

Just follow those diagrams and remove anything spliced into them... put it all back to stock

-Doc

[DEATH]

Could it be the whatever controls that function of letting you roll up windows etc for 1 min after the key is removed?

Just follow those diagrams and remove anything spliced into them... put it all back to stock

-Doc

Doc- do you understand my horrible description?

[D-Man]

Could it be the whatever controls that function of letting you roll up windows etc for 1 min after the key is removed?

no. Whatever it is is being bridged into a constant 12V source. Otherwise it'd cut off after 1 min. Secondly, i dont have this feature. My windows (usualy ) stop instantly as the key is removed. Normaly it has to be in ACC to send power to the windows.

Just follow those diagrams and remove anything spliced into them... put it all back to stock

Exacaly what i'm planning on doing. It'll make trouble shooting this problem ALOT easier if it isn't the alarm. For the time being, i'm even going to remove my stereo system from the mix, it can always be hooked up later, But having a large automatic capicator could cause some confusion. i'm going to keep it as simple as possible.

Thanks Doc.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 8, 2008 - 2:21 PM

[D-Man]

Okay, Gremlin slain i believe. I also busted a lamp

When i droped the panels under the wheel, it looked like Techno-Spiderman took a big wirey sh!t down there Sh!t was frayed, filayed, betrayed and 9 kinds of other aid's. Jacked up it 'twas.

Now other electrical problems are fixed as well, for example, i was posting on a different thread about how when i took my key out my headlights stayed on, and everyone thought that was wierd, but now that dont happen anymore. Sweet!!

I'd like to shout out a big THANK YOU to Dr. Tweak for access to his vault of knolage he stores in his head (you really are a fcuking Genius!! ) And to Griff for the wiring diagrams, I could never have gotten eveything back to stock without them!!

BTW does anyone know a good way to get the metal prongs out of the harnesses? one has been distroyed to no end of disaster i'd like to get that fixed right.