The effect of street racing, so you think you are cool....then read it Options

[playr158]

This is for all you kids who thing you are so cool.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=...&id=6356404

[x_itchy_b_x]

Police said a pregnant WOMAN was driving, /thread.

[playr158]

there were two other drivers...

and thats not the point noob

[Supersprynt]

Murder implies intent, it won't go for murder.

[DEATH]

No sh*t - I was gonna say it's not right for them to brought up on murder charges - they didn't force the woman to street race. Pretty damn stupid people all around tho.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Aug 28, 2008 - 1:48 PM

[jgreening]

Murder implies intent, it won't go for murder.

murder = homicide

causing death by street raicing = reckless homicide --- roughly 2-8 years in jail

therefore, murder is technically accurate.....but I know what you mean.

Bottom line, the driver(s) will do serious jail/prison time.

What a waste. Don't street race. (Safe stoplight pulls when you are next to mustang fanboys are ok, though. )

[GriffGirl]

Police said a pregnant WOMAN was driving, /thread.

Why /thread? The pregnant woman driving was racing too. Unbelievable that someone would not only put other people in the car at risk like that, much less any innocent bystanders, but her unborn child? Man, sometimes people just blow me away. I just don't get it, I really don't. The people in the 3rd car fleeing the scene, too. People have no sense of accountability any more it seems. I hope they're caught.

[x_itchy_b_x]

I was just implying that women cant drive. I always picture them getting in a car, starting it, and then WOT into the nearest object.
but, I'm just messing around. YOU are proof, that theory is out the window. street racing is stoopid.

[Akirad1]

we are all guilty of it at one point, but save it for the track. spend $50 to race on a track(dont know if this is a real figure) or spend 100 to thousands in fines and jail time.

[GriffGirl]

I can't drive worth a damn, I just play one on TV! (maybe we can't drive 'cause we're distracted by actually asking for directions LOL)





This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Aug 28, 2008 - 2:56 PM

[Akirad1]

lol griff

[Random_Stranger]

This is why car enthusiasts always get hassled by cops. Because of street racing idiots. Yeah, I don't care who you are. You brag about that $#!T around me and I am going to chew your @$$ out so bad that you are either not going to want to do it anymore out of feeling stupid, or you are going to get really offended and want to kick my @$$. But I feel that if you got something to prove, you do it on the track. No sense in money spent safety of others, and the privilege to drive at risk for someone who can care less what happens to you. Besides, if your interest is impressing other men, and you are a man..... You might want to put you sexuality in check and think out your actions out again.

Now play nice.

[Taskbot]

That was pretty dumb. What irresponsible twits. Its a good thing she removed herself from the gene pool the only problem was that she took innocent people with her.

Although street racing is bad, there should be at least 3 rules of street racing (for those stupid enough to get involved):
1) When you race, you race alone.
2) If you get groceries with it, its not a safe race car.
3) If you're pregnant or have dependents you should not be street racing.

that woman broke all 3

Feel free to amend the rules

[Akirad1]

That was pretty dumb. What irresponsible twits. Its a good thing she removed herself from the gene pool the only problem was that she took innocent people with her.

Although street racing is bad, there should be at least 3 rules of street racing (for those stupid enough to get involved):
1) When you race, you race alone.
also alone on the street aka vacant or abandoned roads lots that way no innocents
2) If you get groceries with it, its not a safe race car.
3) If you're pregnant or have dependents you should not be street racing.

that woman broke all 3

Feel free to amend the rules

[D-Man]

GRIFF; I LOL'd all over the place

This is why car enthusiasts always get hassled by cops. Because of street racing idiots. Yeah, I don't care who you are. You brag about that $#!T around me and I am going to chew your @$$ out so bad that you are either not going to want to do it anymore out of feeling stupid, or you are going to get really offended and want to kick my @$$. But I feel that if you got something to prove, you do it on the track. No sense in money spent safety of others, and the privilege to drive at risk for someone who can care less what happens to you. Besides, if your interest is impressing other men, and you are a man..... You might want to put you sexuality in check and think out your actions out again.

Now play nice.

x2, 3, &4.

although, i have to admit, that the day that my wife looked at me (when she was prego) and said "it's time", I think that car moved alot faster than any dyno chart can prove

Not endorsing speeding or anything, but the police officer that followed me for a while only shook my hand and said congrats.

Although we've all heard my spew on street racing and how not everyone is in the "fast and furious" mindset. It's just retarted. Goto the track where everyone IS in the racing mindset

[Taskbot]

That was pretty dumb. What irresponsible twits. Its a good thing she removed herself from the gene pool the only problem was that she took innocent people with her.

Although street racing is bad, there should be at least 3 rules of street racing (for those stupid enough to get involved):
1) When you race, you race alone.
also alone on the street aka vacant or abandoned roads lots that way no innocents
2) If you get groceries with it, its not a safe race car.
3) If you're pregnant or have dependents you should not be street racing.

that woman broke all 3

Feel free to amend the rules

I like that amendment because it points most towards windy country roads and desert roads.

[Akirad1]

yeah that way if they mess up it could be fatal so they might be more wary of actualy doing it in the first place

[GriffGirl]

I'll take you up on that amendment too.

That was pretty dumb. What irresponsible twits. Its a good thing she removed herself from the gene pool the only problem was that she took innocent people with her.

Although street racing is bad, there should be at least 3 rules of street racing (for those stupid enough to get involved):
1) Don't bother doing it. It's just stupid and really just says "yeah, my **** is little"
2) If your judgment is so poor as to allow you to think it's a good idea to actually engage in, then your judgment is too poor to allow you to assess a situation to be safe or unsafe.
3) If you're still an asshat and still think it's a good idea as a way to appease your burning need to prove your worth, take it to a track.
all of the people involved broke all 3

Feel free to amend the rules

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Aug 28, 2008 - 4:02 PM

[Taskbot]

yeah that way if they mess up it could be fatal so they might be more wary of actualy doing it in the first place

True however, for rice rocket pilots its more of a matter that they will wreck their car. Around here there's a lot of windy roads, I happen to be surrounded by them. I've been able to hit a maximum speed of like 90km/h before having to slow down again for a hairpin or a tight 2nd gear corner. I know people who have gone faster and ditched their car. Hell, I've even wrecked a car driving on them at the speed limit in the rain. Its pretty technical and pretty tough to actually race on.

There's less of a chance that they will go as fast as the people in this story must've been going because they know they have to take the next corner and that the roads are riddled with bumps or are even unpaven. But its probably the least fatal place to race, if you're ever going to race.

The desert though... I can imagine that would be fatal. If you hit a bump and rolled the car around a bit, it would be ages until people found your body, but of course its a straight line so kids with 600BHP hondas will go there and systematically remove all the ricer-genes from the gene pool.

I'll take you up on that amendment too.

That was pretty dumb. What irresponsible twits. Its a good thing she removed herself from the gene pool the only problem was that she took innocent people with her.

Although street racing is bad, there should be at least 3 rules of street racing (for those stupid enough to get involved):
1) Don't bother doing it. It's just stupid and really just says "yeah, my **** is little"
2) If your judgment is so poor as to allow you to think it's a good idea to actually engage in, then your judgment is too poor to allow you to assess a situation to be safe or unsafe.
3) If you're still an asshat and still think it's a good idea as a way to appease your burning need to prove your worth, take it to a track.
all of the people involved broke all 3

Feel free to amend the rules

HAHAHAHA agreed. However I am going to assume all of these people couldn't even afford the track fee. Hell their cars are probably being paid with welfare cheques

This post has been edited by Taskbot: Aug 28, 2008 - 4:05 PM

[SeverX13]

Can we please stop with theses street racing posts? Your acting like street racing is the worst possibley thing you could do. There are alot of things worse. why dont you post threads about how druggies are idiots? or Murdering a family member? i mean you probably see street race related deaths in the news about 5 or 6 times a year if that. we all understand strret racing is bad. but some of us dont do it to be cool. Im going to be honest. on occation i race. but i do it with no one in the car but me and late at night. i dont care if any of you think less of me. im the same person. Im sure all of you have done something bad like that in your life. Your acting like street racers are the most horrible people in the world. in my area some of them are the nicest people ive met. its just something they do. we dont do it on small 2 lane roads with cars parked ont eh side. they are all more open and plenty of room for error. So yes street racing isnt the smartest thing to do but posting threads like this isnt gonna make people stop doing it. so why waste time? if you hate racers so much then go talk to your damn mayor and sort sh!t out with him. Love me or hate me.

my .02

/thread

~Brent~

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Aug 28, 2008 - 9:32 PM

[Random_Stranger]

Can we please stop with theses street racing posts? Your acting like street racing is the worst possibley thing you could do. There are alot of things worse. why dont you post threads about how druggies are idiots? or Murdering a family member? i mean you probably see street race related deaths in the news about 5 or 6 times a year if that. we all understand strret racing is bad. but some of us dont do it to be cool. Im going to be honest. on occation i race. but i do it with no one in the car but me and late at night. i dont care if any of you think less of me. im the same person. Im sure all of you have done something bad like that in your life. Your acting like street racers are the most horrible people in the world. in my area some of them are the nicest people ive met. its just something they do. we dont do it on small 2 lane roads with cars parked ont eh side. they are all more open and plenty of room for error. So yes street racing isnt the smartest thing to do but posting threads like this isnt gonna make people stop doing it. so why waste time? if you hate racers so much then go talk to your damn mayor and sort sh!t out with him. Love me or hate me.

my .02

/thread

~Brent~

It's not that dude. It's that chance that when something actually does end up happening, like a wreck, injury or death, we look at why it happened and realize it isn't worth putting people at risk. Death of a person, for a cheap thrill. It is really selfish. Now, does it happen? Am I guilty of it from the past? Yes! I admit to doing it on the freeway when no one else but me and the other driver are on an open freeway with not a single car in sight. Once there is a visual of anything, it is then ceased. But that doesn't justify my actions or say it is ok. I should not drive when I have had even a few drinks, and that is when my judgment is poor and I do that. I know better still, yet I have did it.

Anyways, that is besides the point. The point is the MEDIA focuses on this crap and it affects everyone. So you want to race, you wreck your car and no biggie to you. Well people see that, police and media. Then everyone who loves the hobby/sport is then targeted, even when they are innocent, and we all hurt over it. The law comes down even harder, and then you are hassled. Then you wish deep down inside there was something you can do, because you love it so much, but you don't want to get something taken away that you dreamed of owning or worked so hard to get, because you will be convicted of intent to race over the modifications you did, simply because you didn't want to settle for the average, every day car.


That is what this is about. Alcohol is worse. Drugs are worse. But modified cars are easier to crack down on with a possibility of catching someone of either influence from mentioned in this paragraph. Remember, cops have a quota to meet. They catch you, more money for them. Not that they are @$$es, but they have a job to do and we have a responsibility for our passions.


One more thing to remember:

Nobody wants to take responsibilities on their own. Suicide? They blame the music. That is why it is up to us who love what we do, to be responsible and not ruin it for others. Because when a death or any crime is related to what it is we love, then they come after all of us, not just you.

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Aug 28, 2008 - 10:40 PM

[SeverX13]

yes raceing with no other cars in sight is how it happends around here. if there is a car in sight im usually the one to brake and get on with my buisness. but i havent raced in about 1 month n' a half. and i am done due for reason for college. UTI doesnt tollerate it and i dont feel like giving up my dream for like u said a "cheap thrill". I just get angry at posts like this because the bash on street racers and they arent all bad people. they make seem like they are.

[DEATH]

Edit - this was a response to Sever's post like two back.
You're also what? 16-18 somewhere in there right? How can you think you're qualified as a driver to avoid fatally injuring someone? Come on - that's a lifetime skill.
In Houston there have always been areas where the cops will sit down the street and watch people street race on abandoned roads mostly in business parks. I grew up street racing [Mostly back there]. So I can sympathise but D-Man had a good point earlier - if someone kills my kids while their street racing they better be damn sure they kill me too cause I don't care what happens - that person is dead on the scene if I can move.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Aug 28, 2008 - 10:48 PM

[SeverX13]

You're also what? 16-18 somewhere in there right? How can you think you're qualified as a driver to avoid fatally injuring someone? Come on - that's a lifetime skill.
In Houston there have always been areas where the cops will sit down the street and watch people street race on abandoned roads mostly in business parks. I grew up street racing [Mostly back there]. So I can sympathise but D-Man had a good point earlier - if someone kills my kids while their street racing they better be damn sure they kill me too cause I don't care what happens - that person is dead on the scene if I can move.

theres 3 places they mainly take place. at least ones ive been too, an abandoned military tank test track. 2 miles long. a 1 miles stretch of nothin but farm land with a 3 lanes. and the interstate when no cars in around. I have been around racing my whole life beleive it or not. i am 17. i do consider myself a good driver do to being taught my my uncle who ahs been to raceing schools b4. but just cause im taught by the best doesnt mean i am. i am very cautious of other peopl on the road. trust me im a family person. the last thing i would wanna do is hurt someones kids. If you all wanna think less of me thats fine. but im still the same severX13 with a busted ass bumper lol

[purplegt4]

stop with theses street racing posts? how druggies are idiots? or Murdering a family member?

lolllll

[Random_Stranger]

stop with theses street racing posts? how druggies are idiots? or Murdering a family member?

lolllll

I couldn't resist laughing!

[DEATH]

^^^Nice^^^

You're also what? 16-18 somewhere in there right? How can you think you're qualified as a driver to avoid fatally injuring someone? Come on - that's a lifetime skill.
In Houston there have always been areas where the cops will sit down the street and watch people street race on abandoned roads mostly in business parks. I grew up street racing [Mostly back there]. So I can sympathise but D-Man had a good point earlier - if someone kills my kids while their street racing they better be damn sure they kill me too cause I don't care what happens - that person is dead on the scene if I can move.

theres 3 places they mainly take place. at least ones ive been too, an abandoned military tank test track. 2 miles long. a 1 miles stretch of nothin but farm land with a 3 lanes. and the interstate when no cars in around. I have been around racing my whole life beleive it or not. i am 17. i do consider myself a good driver do to being taught my my uncle who ahs been to raceing schools b4. but just cause im taught by the best doesnt mean i am. i am very cautious of other peopl on the road. trust me im a family person. the last thing i would wanna do is hurt someones kids. If you all wanna think less of me thats fine. but im still the same severX13 with a busted ass bumper lol

That's not the street racing we see in major cities where street racing is a problem like LA, Miami, and Houston. We get retards who put mommy's civic into the back of a minivan carrying children on westheimer which is like our busiest weekend night strip - Look it up. It happened right down the street from me a few years back. The dad lived but the family all died except I think one of the three kids.
Sad and then we wonder why we get followed by cops or california can't have mods.

BTW - Of course I don't think less of you.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Aug 29, 2008 - 12:13 AM

[SeverX13]

i know what you mean. around here i guess its more sophisticated lol. i dont understand why they would do it on crowded roadways.

[Akirad1]

the point is we all have done or do it its just if you do it with cars on the street around you and not in a completely deserted area you should be kicked in the twigs and berrys

[GriffGirl]

Can we please stop with theses street racing posts? Your acting like street racing is the worst possibley thing you could do. There are alot of things worse. why dont you post threads about how druggies are idiots? or Murdering a family member?

If idiot druggies and people killing their family members was relevant to this board, it'd get posted (i.e. a pregnant girl STREET RACING and killing her unborn child).

But since street racing and warning of its dangers is what is relevant here, it's the topic of discussion.

There's your /thread

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Aug 28, 2008 - 11:29 PM

[Supersprynt]

Murder implies intent, it won't go for murder.

murder = homicide

causing death by street raicing = reckless homicide --- roughly 2-8 years in jail

therefore, murder is technically accurate.....but I know what you mean.

Murder doesn't = homicide. Homicide is the killing of one person by another. Murder is the killing of another person with intent. All murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders. So while this is a homicide, the drivers certainly didn't intend to kill.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Aug 29, 2008 - 1:01 AM

[CAMAricer]

Am I missing something here?

The story said it was more of "road rage" than street racing that caused this to happen.

[Supersprynt]

EAGLE ROCK, Calif. (KABC) -- Authorities now believe a deadly crash involving a pregnant teenager in Los Angeles may have been road rage and not street racing as initially reported.

Yeah you missed that sentence.

[CAMAricer]

EAGLE ROCK, Calif. (KABC) -- Authorities now believe a deadly crash involving a pregnant teenager in Los Angeles may have been road rage and not street racing as initially reported.

Yeah you missed that sentence.

No, that's the sentence that I am specifically responding to. It says that this may have been road rage and NOT of street racing.

I don't advertise either one, but it would seem to me that road rage is the greater of the two evils...

[SlickRick]

the ABC knew damn well it was not street racing, but there is, and has been such a fear and hate campaign against street racing they new it would lead to it being blown out of proportion. Its funny bcuz we all know street racing is bad but we have all done it. And there is such a huge stereotype with it. For every kid that does it there is some 50 something guys in his vette that does it too. So i hate when people try 2 act like their $hit dont stink and bad mouth people for talking about it. Get a life and no matter what, bad things will happen weather your a bad person or not. Thats life.

[playr158]

theres 3 places they mainly take place. at least ones ive been too, an abandoned military tank test track. 2 miles long. a 1 miles stretch of nothin but farm land with a 3 lanes. and the interstate when no cars in around. I have been around racing my whole life beleive it or not. i am 17. i do consider myself a good driver do to being taught my my uncle who ahs been to raceing schools b4. but just cause im taught by the best doesnt mean i am. i am very cautious of other peopl on the road. trust me im a family person. the last thing i would wanna do is hurt someones kids. If you all wanna think less of me thats fine. but im still the same severX13 with a busted ass bumper lol

glad you do it in the middle of no where. "Been around racing your whole life" <-- you are barely out of diapers. Yes you might be a "good" driver. You still have not a single idea about racing in a driving environment, I'm glad your uncle has been to a racing school, YOU have not, you don't have the seat time, you don't have the instructor time and you have A LOT to learn about actual driving in a racing environment.

Get yourself out to a track day...a weekend is like $130 and I'm talking ROAD COURSE not a drag strip (which is only $20 for a test and tune and depending on a sponsorship night maybe up to $50 max). You don't learn driving in a straight line. At a track day you will get seat time on a course, and you will get instruction from a PROFESSIONAL instructor...not your "has been to a racing school" uncle.

I've been racing for many many years both 2 and 4 wheels, anyone who races/does track days at a track will tell you......The street racing crowd no matter where you are IS looked down upon, its irresponsible, immature, and dangerous it doesn't matter how "nice" you are....how do I know? I've been there.


The article also didn't talk about if street racers were "nice" or "good people"...so try and stay on topic here.

They are charging with murder because of the action involved. It would be the same as playing Russian Roulette, actually it is the same just a different weapon of choice. You didn't pull the trigger but you took part in an event which by part of your action lead to someone's death. You would be charged for murder, since by the "what if" analysis, if you were not taking part in the event they would not have died.


This is one of my friends he is a good driver....he drives on the track.


This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 29, 2008 - 6:54 AM

[Taskbot]

Hmm I think the problem with going to track days for us youngsters is proximity and money. Every race track available to me is close to 3 hours away and most don't host many open track days (because of liability insurance reasons) and several places are being closed down because of the their lack of income and the cost of maintenance. I wouldn't be able to afford a track day either.

Although, I've never and probably will never race another car on the road, I do enjoy spirited driving which here is punished as street racing ( >50km/h over the posted speed limit.)

I know street racing is dumb, especially in the city, but every government's response to the "street racing epidemic" is half assed and not going to solve anything. Cars keep getting faster and faster, speed limits keep getting lower, insurance keeps getting higher and more tracks close down every year.

What the proper response should be is financial support for the tracks that are left and for some smaller road courses to be opened on the city limits because to actually succeed at taking automobile racing off the streets the racers need some place to go.

[playr158]

Hmm I think the problem with going to track days for us youngsters is proximity and money. Every race track available to me is close to 3 hours away and most don't host many open track days (because of liability insurance reasons) and several places are being closed down because of the their lack of income and the cost of maintenance. I wouldn't be able to afford a track day either.

Although, I've never and probably will never race another car on the road, I do enjoy spirited driving which here is punished as street racing ( >50km/h over the posted speed limit.)

I know street racing is dumb, especially in the city, but every government's response to the "street racing epidemic" is half assed and not going to solve anything. Cars keep getting faster and faster, speed limits keep getting lower, insurance keeps getting higher and more tracks close down every year.

What the proper response should be is financial support for the tracks that are left and for some smaller road courses to be opened on the city limits because to actually succeed at taking automobile racing off the streets the racers need some place to go.

" but every government's response to the "street racing epidemic" is half assed"
I'd check on that.....in VA we have a very tough group of guys nearly dedicated to this cause alone.
Also in CA i know that the police partner with local tracks to have nights that kids can come and race, and even race against the police. They also shut down some stadium parking lots occasionally and run races there.


Yes most tracks are 3+ hours away (They are that far from myself as well) but thats just part of the game, they need to be that far out because of the space/noise/accommodations they take up/need. Save your money slowly and even do it 1 time a year if thats all you can, the benefits from it are huge.

and yes there are smaller "road courses" inside city limits, this is called "AUTO-X" and its a cheap (much less than $100) day events and are lots of fun.


The bottom line is there are options, there are cheap options.....its do you chose to look for or create those options.

[x_itchy_b_x]

Dan, every hear of these guys? http://www.comscc.org/ I met one of the members, he likes my mr2 and I plan to join them at some race event & become a member. I like his cars more though, Ariel Atom & an Evo, I can't wait to get on a real track with these guys.

[Taskbot]

Hahaha well I figured Cali would have something going. They have so many tracks that are all world renowned. So I'll retract that. I was thinking more about New York and Ontario than anywhere else really. Although I bet there are a lot of other places that have this problem but aren't responding well to it.

I would love to race the cops, my cousin is one of them. I have not been able to find any auto-x around here but I did find a few rally clubs, the issue is that I would need a second car, I am not rallying my DD . That's about the only option around here, for anything else I'd need to travel at least 4 hours.

By far the cheapest option (though its questionably illegal) is hosting parking lot events, which I have tried to organize between my friends. Its pretty sketchy though, and it might constitute "street racing" in the eyes of the police. By the way, does anyone know the legality of setting up a cone course in a parking lot?

[D-Man]

By the way, does anyone know the legality of setting up a cone course in a parking lot?

You'd need to have the property owners permission. I'd get it in writing. Plus i'd have him standing there so that when the cops showed up it'd be cool.

Although it probably wouldn't help a whole lot... if the cops wanted to be mean about it... IDK...

This post has been edited by D-Man: Aug 29, 2008 - 9:37 AM

[playr158]

Hahaha well I figured Cali would have something going. They have so many tracks that are all world renowned. So I'll retract that. I was thinking more about New York and Ontario than anywhere else really.

I would love to race the cops, my cousin is one of them. I have not been able to find any auto-x around here but I did find a few rally clubs, the issue is that I would need a second car, I am not rallying my DD . That's about the only option around here, for anything else I'd need to travel at least 4 hours.

By far the cheapest option (though its questionably illegal) is hosting parking lot events, which I have tried to organize between my friends. Its pretty sketchy though, and it might constitute "street racing" in the eyes of the police. By the way, does anyone know the legality of setting up a cone course in a parking lot?

NY?! what are you talking about...we go there from VA to race...
http://www.theglen.com/

do not start auto-x-ing in a parking lot.
you need to contact the owners and work with them on setting up an APPROVED function.
Contact the police department and see if they would like to help sponsor the event, or where they can point you to go for a permit for such an event. One of my acquaintances was able to do this exact thing here the other week.

ITCHY that looks like a good site
A lot of my friends race NASA events, random track days, BMWCCA events, Summit point's

here is a list of events/orgs that my friend is doing this year in the GT3
PCA Potomac - Summit Main, July 12-13 (Sat Sun)
http://www.pcapotomac.us/

Redline Time Attack - Summit Shanendoah, August 16-17 (Sat Sun)
http://www.redlinetimeattack.com/

PCA Potomac - VIR, September 5-7 (Fri - Sun)
http://www.pcapotomac.us/

GT Live - VIR, October 3-5 (Fri - Sun)
http://www.gtlivetour.com/

PCA Metro NY - NJMP, October 25-26 (Sat Sun)
http://metronypca.org/

PCA Potomac - Summit Main, November 1-2 (Sat Sun)
http://www.pcapotomac.us/

Audi Club - VIR, November 15-16 (Sat Sun)
http://www.audiclubna.org/chapters/potomac/

some groups are not car dependant (ferrari track days/audi/vw normally are open to other cars) PCA how ever is Pcar only

This post has been edited by playr158: Aug 29, 2008 - 9:48 AM

[Taskbot]

All of those are US

However I am interested in one US race, the 24 hours of LeMons. I plan on entering a car in LeMons next year if it still exists. If not than it'll be in a derby.

This post has been edited by Taskbot: Aug 29, 2008 - 11:11 AM

[playr158]

All of those are US

However I am interested in one US race, the 24 hours of LeMons. I plan on entering a car in LeMons next year if it still exists. If not than it'll be in a derby.

haha thats an AWESOME race, i'd love to do it but we don't have enough time to put together a car

[Taskbot]

All of those are US

However I am interested in one US race, the 24 hours of LeMons. I plan on entering a car in LeMons next year if it still exists. If not than it'll be in a derby.

haha thats an AWESOME race, i'd love to do it but we don't have enough time to put together a car

Yeah, that's my problem too. I wanted to enter this year for Detroit(ish) [Toledo, OH] but its too close to the date. Besides, my lack of on track racing coupled with most of my friends being unable to drive a manual transmission made it virtually impossible to put anything together for this year (that didn't involve me doing all the grunt work and paying all the money for it.. plus being one of only two drivers on a 24 hour race).

But next year I plan on getting together all of the people I possibly can. By that time I should be able to teach at least 2 other people how to drive a manual transmission sort of okay so I can sleep without worry before I take the wheel again

[Stambo]

true true.

[Galcobar]

Follow-up:
http://www.fortmilltimes.com/124/story/272104.html

Four counts, vehicular manslaughter.

There's degrees of murder, by the way. First degree is pre-meditated, what you'd call cold-blooded. It's planned, deliberate, with time to consider the right and wrong of a situation. Second degree is lethal intent, but unplanned. The difference would be between buying a gun to kill someone, versus losing one's temper and hitting them with a bar stool. Either way, the standard is essentially that you know your actions will likely lead to someone's death and you do it anyway.

Manslaughter's a step below, as has been noted -- it's the lack of intent. It involves knowing your actions are dangerous and could lead to someone's death and doing it anyway, but without the intention of killing them. Beating someone to death is murder, while punching someone in the chest and having them drop dead because you managed to disrupt their heartbeat would probably be manslaughter.

If he was racing beside them and screaming threats, you'd have a difficult time proving intent to kill -- as opposed to forcing them off the road.

This post has been edited by Galcobar: Sep 1, 2008 - 2:36 AM

[jgreening]

Murder implies intent, it won't go for murder.

murder = homicide

causing death by street raicing = reckless homicide --- roughly 2-8 years in jail

therefore, murder is technically accurate.....but I know what you mean.

Murder doesn't = homicide. Homicide is the killing of one person by another. Murder is the killing of another person with intent. All murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders. So while this is a homicide, the drivers certainly didn't intend to kill.

I agree that is the common understanding of the term. However, I was just pointing out that in many (most?) jurisdictions, recklessness that results in death can constitute "murder" under the law.

[eggman40]

i hate seeing this crap... it gives true car enthusiasts a bad rep. Notice how the two cars involved are bone stock. obviously it was just a bunch of kids acting stupid but from now on the cops will be getting more aggressive on cars that have visible modifications, rims, body kits etc. and they may not even be involved in this kind of crap sooo irritating

[Taskbot]

i hate seeing this crap... it gives true car enthusiasts a bad rep. Notice how the two cars involved are bone stock. obviously it was just a bunch of kids acting stupid but from now on the cops will be getting more aggressive on cars that have visible modifications, rims, body kits etc. and they may not even be involved in this kind of crap sooo irritating

Hahaha of course they'll be more aggressive on cars that have visible modifications, they sell for much higher at the police auctions. Protect, Serve and make some killer cash from repossessing cars.

[D-Man]

Cheif wiggins of the simpsons once said, "I said we are Powerless to Protect you, not Punish you"

This post has been edited by D-Man: Sep 4, 2008 - 3:54 PM