Saw a Gt-4 Options

[brk34]

I saw the weirdest thing at stony brook university an actual gt-4 on campus . How many Gt-4s were imported into the US? I wounder was it was anyone who visits this site?

This post has been edited by brk34: Sep 5, 2008 - 8:36 PM

[stetsonaw]

RHD and everything?? man, i'm in Japan and haven't seen one in person yet, just a couple replicas gets your heart moving though, doesn't it?

[darthripley]

Technically, they never imported any "GT-Fours" into the US. They only imported "All-Tracs" into the US from 1988 - 1993. 4th and 5th gen units.
I have a 1990 All-Trac.

[zero07]

Darthripley...... your a god!

[bslik]

so wait, i misunderstood, theres no 6th gen gt-fours in america? never? anywhere?
or u just mean not imported? or somethin technical

[CelicaST_CALI]

no there a few i thought....

[darthripley]

so wait, i misunderstood, theres no 6th gen gt-fours in america? never? anywhere?
or u just mean not imported? or somethin technical

there were never any 6th gen ST205 GT-Fours imported into North America to be sold from 94-99 - this includes Canada, USA & Mexico.

the only GT-Fours which were known as Alltracs that were imported & sold in the North America were the 4th gen from 88-89 and 5th gen from 90-93.

however, there are a handful of real deal ST205's here in the US now, whether they are legally registered or not is another matter entirely.

lol! thanks zero!
technically, it's goddess

This post has been edited by darthripley: Sep 6, 2008 - 3:12 AM

[delusionz]

I drive past atleast 1 GT-Four every day, and maybe 4 other SS-III's and probably 30 SS-I and SS-II , very rarely see the NZ new 2.2 litre GS model around though...

[xs94st]

:raisesfistatdelusionz: lol

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

i drive a 205 on a daily basis:P, and see a 204 pretty much every other day.

and work on 2 different 185's (one group A and one Type A) every couple of weeks, as ive just got them both back on the road.

i am lucky

[808celica]

was this gt4 red???? could be celica3sgte's old one

[brk34]

Sorry for the delay but it was left hand drive silver and had the spoiler 2-post with GT4 printed on it. Does this info help you guys determine what the car I saw was.

[bccentaur3]

Its a gt-four front end coverted gt-four. Does it have a 3sgte swap in it?

[MercuryFree]

I drive past atleast 1 GT-Four every day, and maybe 4 other SS-III's and probably 30 SS-I and SS-II , very rarely see the NZ new 2.2 litre GS model around though...

Yeah i saw an absolutely mint white gt-four (outside the district court, lawl) in wellington yesterday. Had 18" BBS wheels and it was so clean and sex. I contemplated swapping the plates with mine (white but no gt-fourness) and seeing if they'd notice

NZ ftw

And speaking of the NZ new... . Dunno if this is the 2.2 or the 1.8 but it was out my window so I thought a picture was in order:



This post has been edited by MercuryFree: Sep 6, 2008 - 7:22 PM

[brk34]

Its a gt-four front end coverted gt-four. Does it have a 3sgte swap in it?

I don't understand what you mean about the front end if it was swapped how does that explain the rear end with the gt-4 spoiler. GT-4 was printed on the side post of the spoiler.

This post has been edited by brk34: Sep 6, 2008 - 7:24 PM

[MercuryFree]

Its a gt-four front end coverted gt-four. Does it have a 3sgte swap in it?

I don't understand what you mean about the front end if it was swapped how does that explain the rear end with the gt-4 spoiler. GT-4 was printed on the side post of the spoiler.

Spoiler swap?

[darthripley]

^ exactly - its just a simple body conversion.
just b/c it says GT-Four on it doesn't mean it's a real ST205 GT-Four - looks can be deceiving

[97lestyousay]

look at my sig. 97 ST.

[brk34]

Darn logic wins Thanks for the help. It also looks like the tailights were swapped.

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

mercuryfree thats a 7th gen, only came out in 1.8, no 2.2, no gtfours.

[parriehunter]

I drive past atleast 1 GT-Four every day, and maybe 4 other SS-III's and probably 30 SS-I and SS-II , very rarely see the NZ new 2.2 litre GS model around though...

Sounds about right, there are so many here in New Zealand.

[MercuryFree]

mercuryfree thats a 7th gen, only came out in 1.8, no 2.2, no gtfours.

Re-read my post and please tell me where I in any way said that that 7th gen was a gt4.

Admittedly I misunderstood what he was referring to as "GS" (I beleive he meant the 6th Gen GS - which I've seen like one of ever, crazy new zealand rebranding - whereas I thought the GS was a trim level of the 7th gen) but I sure as heck wasn't calling a 7th gen a gt4...

PS: Sounded like I was being grumpy. Much love to all, none of that grumpy stuff here

This post has been edited by MercuryFree: Sep 7, 2008 - 5:31 AM

[brk34]

One more quick question if the front end was swapped would their be a small amber colored light on the fender near the side view mirrors?

One more quick question if the front end was swapped would their be a small amber colored light on the fender near the side view mirrors? B/C thats what I saw.

[stetsonaw]

could've swapped the fenders too man. lets put it this way, you say it was left hand drive? that means that it's not a gt4 unless doGGy got his hands on it. all gt-4 6gens are right hand drive. everything that you saw was just body part swaps. the little sidemarkers just means that he did a fender swap or modified it to blank out the usdm sidemarker and created the jdm one.

[CaliJeff]

The only way I would be convinced that it was a genuine gt4 was that ST205 was stamped on the firewall behind the IM

[darthripley]

stetsonaw, are you sure all ST205's are RHD?
i swear i've seen LHD ST205's from Germany & other European countries before.
not trying to argue here just always like to learn more fun celica facts.

brk34, it's not hard to put sidemarkers on a fender - drill the hole & wire it up.
calijeff is right, unless the firewall is stamped with ST205 it's just a body conversion.

[SlickRick]

stetsonaw, are you sure all ST205's are RHD?
i swear i've seen LHD ST205's from Germany & other European countries before.
not trying to argue here just always like to learn more fun celica facts.

brk34, it's not hard to put sidemarkers on a fender - drill the hole & wire it up.
calijeff is right, unless the firewall is stamped with ST205 it's just a body conversion.

yeah there are some LHD st205's out there but i am not sure if there is any WRC 6th gen gt-4s out there. but there might be. And i am sure there has been real 6th gen gt-4s imported years ago! seen one when i was working for toyota's warehouse way back in 1999 its was brought over for a show in California so i guess "technically" toyota did import some just had 2 take them back once the 3 (over how ever many months it is) temp bond was is up.

[playr158]

stetsonaw, are you sure all ST205's are RHD?
i swear i've seen LHD ST205's from Germany & other European countries before.
not trying to argue here just always like to learn more fun celica facts.

brk34, it's not hard to put sidemarkers on a fender - drill the hole & wire it up.
calijeff is right, unless the firewall is stamped with ST205 it's just a body conversion.

yeah there are some LHD st205's out there but i am not sure if there is any WRC 6th gen gt-4s out there. but there might be. And i am sure there has been real 6th gen gt-4s imported years ago! seen one when i was working for toyota's warehouse way back in 1999 its was brought over for a show in California so i guess "technically" toyota did import some just had 2 take them back once the 3 (over how ever many months it is) temp bond was is up.

yes there are LHD ST205s
yes there are WRC ST205s

bring it over and sending it back doesn't = importing in the context discussed so no count.

yes there are at least 2 ST205s in the country.

[99GT]

What's the difference between Group A and Type A?

[SlickRick]

stetsonaw, are you sure all ST205's are RHD?
i swear i've seen LHD ST205's from Germany & other European countries before.
not trying to argue here just always like to learn more fun celica facts.

brk34, it's not hard to put sidemarkers on a fender - drill the hole & wire it up.
calijeff is right, unless the firewall is stamped with ST205 it's just a body conversion.

yeah there are some LHD st205's out there but i am not sure if there is any WRC 6th gen gt-4s out there. but there might be. And i am sure there has been real 6th gen gt-4s imported years ago! seen one when i was working for toyota's warehouse way back in 1999 its was brought over for a show in California so i guess "technically" toyota did import some just had 2 take them back once the 3 (over how ever many months it is) temp bond was is up.

yes there are LHD ST205s
yes there are WRC ST205s

bring it over and sending it back doesn't = importing in the context discussed so no count.

yes there are at least 2 ST205s in the country.

well importing it, and importing it for sale are to different things. I am just saying there have been 6th gen gt-4s over the in states b4 plenty of time.

[RickJamesBish]

There's only to genuine ST205's? How do you guys know?

I wish I could get my hands on one, when I move back to Europe I might do it.

[96bluevert]

I think it was probably just a conversion, you can easily make any other 6th gen celi look like a 6th gen GT-4.

[GriffGirl]

Technically, they never imported any "GT-Fours" into the US. They only imported "All-Tracs" into the US from 1988 - 1993. 4th and 5th gen units.
I have a 1990 All-Trac.

I think that's not entirely true. To the best of my knowledge, there's an actual GT-Four in Ohio or Indiana. It was for sale about a year or so ago, I believe it sold for around 15k. I believe it's RHD and everything.


Edit: I just read the last post you made... d'oh! Sorry!

This post has been edited by GriffGirl: Sep 8, 2008 - 12:42 PM

[ScoobyDooCruiser]

As far as I know there is only 1 gt-4 driving the streets in the states. it was on ebay twice about two years ago... wasn't in the greatest of shape, but it was real. Very shady situation regarding the registration I believe, which explains, I think, why it went up for sale again so quickly after the first sale. You can search old posts on this forum for info. Check back around 2006 I think.

[ComaDave]

The best way to tell if it's really a GT4 is to check for axles and a differential on the back end of the car. If those are there it's either a GT4 or someone actually completed a rear end conversion. Otherwise it's just a sheep in wolf's clothing like mine.

[darthripley]

As far as I know there is only 1 gt-4 driving the streets in the states. it was on ebay twice about two years ago... wasn't in the greatest of shape, but it was real. Very shady situation regarding the registration I believe, which explains, I think, why it went up for sale again so quickly after the first sale. You can search old posts on this forum for info. Check back around 2006 I think.

yes, i remember that one too - it was a red one.
there was another red one, may have been the same one?? it had a swapped VIN on it & was registered/titled as an ST in Vermont or somewhere in that area i think.
i know of another one that is white that is a real ST205 here in the US - it is not being driven at this time to my knowledge.
the only other ST205 i can think of that isn't a conversion is a silver one that some place in FL was trying to sell a year or 2 back .. not sure what happened to it though or how it was registered etc.

no prob griffgirl

[DEATH]

All of the above is basically true. I had looked into those last year. I couldn't find much of anything on the silver one but the red one has had a somewhat public history. It's the one from the NE that kept changing hands due to registration issues.

[Batman722]

only two I know of and I've personally seen one.

first, the red one everyone is talking about from NH (pictured, next to presure2s and mine - way long time ago),



it floated around ebay for a long time and he sold it to a guy in ohio and he was selling it here

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=54041

and FORGMANN aka 95WRC, he has a white one.

more ? probably but they're not on 6gc.

I have a st205 front end and a 3rd gen 3sgte (from a st205 duh) and other than celiman05 who did the st205 & AWD conversion (pics here) on his ST (who sold that to Gman) I have probably one of the closest 205 conversions that anyone could have in the US that I know of.

I'll never have a real GT-Four so for now I'm content with having a real GT-Two, all the others with 2nd gen swaps and 205 bodys have half-tracs (no offence guys but it is what it is).

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

What's the difference between Group A and Type A?

Group A is the homologation versions of the ST185's and ST205's needed for racing in WRC and a few australian events.

The 150 Group A Rallye ST185 were delivered into Australia, (called Carlos Sainz in eu and RC in japan) they had the water to air intercoolers (insted of air to air like the poverty pack ST185 GT-Fours), taller ratio gearbox's with double synchros, the Group A front bar, venting bonnet (insted of bonnet scoop like the poverty pack 185), different ecu and about 15kw more power then the pov 185. Group A Rallyes in australia only came in in 1991 and are each individually badged with their number out of the 150 and carlos sainz signature on it. LSD rear diff.


the type A is a jdm only luxury spec 185, had all the options possible and as far as im aware only came out in charcoal grey/black.

engine and gearbox/performance wise they are the same as any other jdm st185.

They were equipped with leather interior, the system 10 stereo, crusie control, climate control air con, electric seats w. lumbar support, air bag, retractable mirrors, sunroof, there is prob a few options i have missed out but you get the point. They were only made in 1990 i believe

The Group A Rallye ST205 was only delivered in 1994, there was only 77 of them each with a plaque and a number (mine is 61), 17 had a moonroof (mine is one of those), there was only really 1 option and that was te moonroof. Specs are:

antilag, water injection, leather interior, intercooler spray bar, 5mm bigger throttle body then the 185, wta intercooler, 180kw in aussie trim (about 20kw more then the 185) weights about 70kg less then the group a 185. tripple synchros in gearbox with better ratios, LSD centre and rear diff, air con, bonnet spoiler, headlight washers. The rest of the stuff you all prob know about.

note that the antilag, water injection are in place but not connected as the stock ecu cant control them.
the intercooler spray bar is controlled with a button like the headlight washers.

[azian_advanced]

that's some interesting information... i want a group A gt-four now..

btw, i've always wondered why there's an 'e' at the end of Rallye??

[mitchy]

What's the difference between Group A and Type A?

Group A is the homologation versions of the ST185's and ST205's needed for racing in WRC and a few australian events.

The 150 Group A Rallye ST185 were delivered into Australia, (called Carlos Sainz in eu and RC in japan) they had the water to air intercoolers (insted of air to air like the poverty pack ST185 GT-Fours), taller ratio gearbox's with double synchros, the Group A front bar, venting bonnet (insted of bonnet scoop like the poverty pack 185), different ecu and about 15kw more power then the pov 185. Group A Rallyes in australia only came in in 1991 and are each individually badged with their number out of the 150 and carlos sainz signature on it. LSD rear diff.


the type A is a jdm only luxury spec 185, had all the options possible and as far as im aware only came out in charcoal grey/black.

engine and gearbox/performance wise they are the same as any other jdm st185.

They were equipped with leather interior, the system 10 stereo, crusie control, climate control air con, electric seats w. lumbar support, air bag, retractable mirrors, sunroof, there is prob a few options i have missed out but you get the point. They were only made in 1990 i believe

The Group A Rallye ST205 was only delivered in 1994, there was only 77 of them each with a plaque and a number (mine is 61), 17 had a moonroof (mine is one of those), there was only really 1 option and that was te moonroof. Specs are:

antilag, water injection, leather interior, intercooler spray bar, 5mm bigger throttle body then the 185, wta intercooler, 180kw in aussie trim (about 20kw more then the 185) weights about 70kg less then the group a 185. tripple synchros in gearbox with better ratios, LSD centre and rear diff, air con, bonnet spoiler, headlight washers. The rest of the stuff you all prob know about.

note that the antilag, water injection are in place but not connected as the stock ecu cant control them.
the intercooler spray bar is controlled with a button like the headlight washers.

you are the master, yeh that "e" has made me wonder as well

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

thanks guys, ive prop missed some info but thats what i could think of at the time.

rallye is french for rally i believe, im pretty sure thats how its written when it related to wrc, cars, courses etc.

This post has been edited by Cuts_the_Pilot: Sep 9, 2008 - 7:13 AM

[99GT]

Thanks Cuts.

[darthripley]

Cuts - are the ST205 Group A Rallye transmission gear ratios different from a regular ST205 E154F transmission?
I'm just curious & can't find any specs anywhere. Thanks in advance for any help

[Rusty]

theres 1 red GT4 round my area 1 mint as SS-III (mr 'BEAMS' ) in napier, 2 red SS-II (its weird there ars 3 red SS-II in one city ) all the rest are SS-I

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

ripley all 205's sold to the public had the e154f box's.
the rally box's are obviously heaps different.

rusty is the red 205 stu's?

This post has been edited by Cuts_the_Pilot: Sep 10, 2008 - 2:19 AM

[darthripley]

ripley all 205's sold to the public had the e154f box's.
the rally box's are obviously heaps different.

cool. I just didn't know if the e154f box in a regular ST205 was any different to the box in a homologated WRC version like what you have Cuts - since those had anti-lag on the manifold (not hooked up) sprayer bar for the heat exchanger & other little differences from just an unnumbered regular ST205 edition.

[GriffGirl]

ohgodmarryme or something LOL

I love stuff like this. I can in basically no way shape or form make any kind of valuable contribution to this thread other than to say I sure do appreciate all of you imparting your knowledge!

[Rusty]

rusty is the red 205 stu's?

I don't know, I dont see that car too often plus I can never catch to to him