The Future of Engine Swaps Options

[Dr_Tweak]

I was thinking this over today and thought that it would be a cool discussion to post up. I'm getting a little concerned about the future of engine swaps. It seems like Toyota hasn't been building ANYTHING high-performance in the last few years. I love our Celicas, but they're coming up on 10 years old for the newest '99 model now. 2nd gen 3SGTE engines are minimum 15-16 years old...

I've been looking at the newer models trying to think of what the next batch of engine swapping is going to be. The 7th gen Celica is already out of production and hasn't gotten a whole lot of love. Of course the 2ZZ is a common swap but that engine never really took real well. 3SGTE into a 7th gen is something I'd like to do some more of, but still, the 3S is getting older. I guess the tC is the next platform to look at, but what to swap into it??? There's practically nothing out there for decent Toyota engines, the 2AZ only makes 160hp. I've sort of been looking at the 300hp 2GR-FSE but it's scary... lots of modern electronics to work around, immobilizer, etc.

2ZZ in a Yaris might be interesting...

Discuss!

-Doc

[bccentaur3]

YES!!!! 2zz in a YARIS... When the yaris first came out I was thinking of what swaps would be awesome to do and obviously a 2zz in that little thing.

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

they still made gen4 3s's up untill 2004 or something.

i think more cylinders might be the only go if 2zz is out of the picture.

over here TRD has released supercharged hiluxs and Aurions (like camry but awsomer )

[bccentaur3]

WHAT??? Thats awesome. I love the new camrys.

[Fastbird]

I love the TC.....How big of a bay does it have?? Any chance of a smaller Lex V8 going into one? Or a 3S-GTE (cliche'd I know, but I love the motor).

Toyota may not be doing much for the performance world, but they've nailed down cars you can drive every day and their sales reflect that.

[gt_driFFter]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

[bslik]

im sure someones gonna try to put a 2jz into a TC if it hasnt already been done...

[DEATH]

I love the TC.....How big of a bay does it have?? Any chance of a smaller Lex V8 going into one?

No way - it's way smaller than ours length wise and not at all setup for a rear drive axle. I've owned all three now - Good idea tho.

im sure someones gonna try to put a 2jz into a TC if it hasnt already been done...

See above


Doc - did you ever confirm whether the tC's tranny will accept a S series motor? It makes a certain amount of sense if the camry tranny is the same and it can take a v6 like ours then maybe...

I'd love to see an LS2 swapped 6gc/rear wheel drive sleeper [replying to Fastbird made me think of it ] but man would that be one hell of a project.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Oct 31, 2008 - 1:18 AM

[enderswift]

why has toyota allowed itself to stagnate? it seems like the 90's were the heyday of japanese performance rivalry with the 4g63, 3sgte sr20det mazdas twin turbo rotaries and others duking it out for supremacy. Now the majority have plodded on in duller performance attempts while toyota seems to have detached its balls all together. what gives?

ignore teh existance of the nissan gtr. evos and rex's count but the 2000's wont replace the 90's IMO.

[blackbullet]

I've heard of the TC converted to 4WD and that it is the same body style or chassic as the Toyota Cadalina or something like that. Read it in the magazine. But a Yaris with at 2ZZ i would like to see.

[trdproven]

Doc, you are damn right about the future of Toyota. I've been pondering about that for a while too. Although there are tight swaps for rear wheel drives, not much for front wheel besides a 4ag. Although Toyota is expected to release two top model sport cars, that does not leave it affordable for many which is the lexus supercar and toyota supra replacement. It would be less of an issue if you had a rear wheel drive toyota, many possible options. There are talks about a new celica with a subaru motor but whats up with that? What do you think about the solara v6 swap?

This post has been edited by trdproven: Oct 31, 2008 - 5:14 AM

[njccmd2002]

i think the v6 swaps should be the next future generation of swaps for small cars,

[RickJamesBish]

Well, one thing we can look forward to is the possible coming of a new Toyota sports car, Celica or not. That engine(s) into a 6GC, or a 3S-GE into that machine?

[Terracar]

Sorry to burst the bubble, but no new toyota for us.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/28/subaru-...ersion-only-in/

[playr158]

need to expand past just motor swaps.....lets do drive train conversions already

[RickJamesBish]

Sorry to burst the bubble, but no new toyota for us.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/28/subaru-...ersion-only-in/

What the ****? That is the most awesome deal and we don't get it. That sucks.

[Dr_Tweak]

they still made gen4 3s's up untill 2004 or something.

i think more cylinders might be the only go if 2zz is out of the picture.

over here TRD has released supercharged hiluxs and Aurions (like camry but awsomer )

The 3SGTE was built all the way up till 2007 actually, so yeah, we'll have a fresh supply of 3SGTE engines for a long time. But the problem of passing OBD2 emissions in all vehicles for the last 12 model years still exists.

I think you might be right about the V6 engines... I just wish there was something better out there!

I love the TC.....How big of a bay does it have?? Any chance of a smaller Lex V8 going into one? Or a 3S-GTE (cliche'd I know, but I love the motor).

Toyota may not be doing much for the performance world, but they've nailed down cars you can drive every day and their sales reflect that.

It's a pretty big bay, a 3SGTE would be a fairly simple swap overall, and a 1UZ FWD... yeah, that could be done

Oh yeah Toyota is doing fine as a business, I just wish they'd take a little step out of the box for a moment and throw us performance guys something to play with

I love the TC.....How big of a bay does it have?? Any chance of a smaller Lex V8 going into one?

No way - it's way smaller than ours length wise and not at all setup for a rear drive axle. I've owned all three now - Good idea tho.

im sure someones gonna try to put a 2jz into a TC if it hasnt already been done...

See above


Doc - did you ever confirm whether the tC's tranny will accept a S series motor? It makes a certain amount of sense if the camry tranny is the same and it can take a v6 like ours then maybe...

I'd love to see an LS2 swapped 6gc/rear wheel drive sleeper [replying to Fastbird made me think of it ] but man would that be one hell of a project.

I'm quite certain that the S-series would bolt up to the tC transmission, yeah.

Doc, you are damn right about the future of Toyota. I've been pondering about that for a while too. Although there are tight swaps for rear wheel drives, not much for front wheel besides a 4ag. Although Toyota is expected to release two top model sport cars, that does not leave it affordable for many which is the lexus supercar and toyota supra replacement. It would be less of an issue if you had a rear wheel drive toyota, many possible options. There are talks about a new celica with a subaru motor but whats up with that? What do you think about the solara v6 swap?

Sorry to burst the bubble, but no new toyota for us.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/05/28/subaru-...ersion-only-in/

Fine with me, that's not a Toyota anyway. And besides, it's not even turbo!

I've been pushing the Solora V6 swap for a few years now... yeah... I need to do one soon.

-Doc

[Fastbird]

I'd love to see an LS2 swapped 6gc/rear wheel drive sleeper [replying to Fastbird made me think of it ] but man would that be one hell of a project.

That has actually been on my mind also as of late.

[playr158]

I'd love to see an LS2 swapped 6gc/rear wheel drive sleeper [replying to Fastbird made me think of it ] but man would that be one hell of a project.

That has actually been on my mind also as of late.

i'd like to keep the motor JDM Blacktop 3sge or standard 3sgte + RWD (either ST205 rear or IS300 rear(dunno how close the IS is))

lets see the docs idea concept plan on this

[Dr_Tweak]

3SGE Blacktop, with the 6-speed RWD Tranny? Oh helz yeah.

-Doc

[njccmd2002]

I've been pushing the Solora V6 swap for a few years now... yeah... I need to do one soon.

-Doc

how much for one OTD. with engine provided?

[brthrurik]

BRS Twin-Turbo Tundra Powered RWD xB

"The title says it all for this one. BRS’ Leigh Guarnieri has outdone himself, and that’s saying quite a bit since his turbocharged Honda Fit was a big hit at last year’s SEMA Show. Using mounts provided by K2 Motoring, some ingenuity and a sprinkling of divine inspiration, Guarnieri shoehorned a 4.7-liter Tundra V8 into the diminutive xB. The built V8 is boosted by a Peak Boost GT35-R-based turbo kit that positions the turbos right next to the headlight assemblies. Tuning is handled by an AEM EMS engine management system. The VIP Forged Alloy wheels are temporary as the final products will measure a staggering 20x15 and 20x20 with huge lip. Wilwood six-piston calipers and 15-inch rotors are in charge of halting the humongous Pirelli gumballs. The Scion has been converted to rear-wheel drive with a Ford 9-inch rear-end and custom four-link suspension set-up. Too bad all the Scion could do was sit in Mobil 1’s booth because this monster would be something to see at the strip or on the drift."

this looks like it would be incredibly fun!

[GriffGirl]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque

Anyway it's totally gonna be my next car, so I can start that Blacktop 6 speed swap into my celi

3s-ge blacktop though? I thought the blacktop was 4a-ge. There's a 3s-ge blacktop too? hmm....

[Rusty]

^ yup 3S-GE VVTi in +98 SS-II/III are single cam advancement, blacktop is duo.


i'd like to see a blacktop 3SGE 6GC celica...plus turbo? but theres something aboutthe blacktop fitting in there? head swap?

[block]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque

i beg to differ my co-worker has one (2006) and the interior is just plain cheap. just knock on the plastic panel on the door and dash and you'll see why newer cars are made like that to shave off weight, i would think so. otherwise, you can't complain about the exterior. i love the looks of the exterior. the interior of the 6th gen celica was very well laid out and i think it's one of the best interiors i've ever been in a car. i guess everyone has different tastes and views of it but whatever lol.

anyways, back on topic. i used to love toyota. now i hate toyota. i, for one, am glad that i lived through the 90s to see the import super cars battle (supra, 300zx, rx7, mr2, civic si, 240sx, etc etc). now and days, there aren't much to see. the new models are so bland, especially the new venza. it's just plain ugly. only new toyota i would get is the camry se. otherwise im crawling to nissan & honda. this is the reason why i'm going to buy myself an EM1. there are endless mods and engine swaps. sorry toyota but you suck!

This post has been edited by block: Oct 31, 2008 - 4:28 PM

[GriffGirl]

When those Toyotas outlive all the others, you won't be saying they suck! LOL j/p

As for the blacktop - ah, of course, BEAMS blacktop. I knew that, I don't know where my head was. I guess I'm so used to hearing it referred to specifically as a BEAMS blacktop that the actual engine code threw me off. D'oh!

You know, I think that the way automotive engineering is going with everything being so sensor-reliant, it will make swaps much more difficult and is likely to narrow the range of swap-ability, within the confines of mechanical ability at least. Now if there's someone who can hack ECU software and start mating up things differently so they can work together, that might be a different story. But there will just be different challenges now. Our cars will become more and more rare, and while our cars and available swap engines age, the swaps will soon enough be left to those who really know what they're doing, as the engines will have to be rebuilt/refurbished basically to bring them up to like-new. Maybe it'll separate the "men from the boys" as they say.

[Kwanza26]

i beg to differ my co-worker has one (2006) and the interior is just plain cheap. just knock on the plastic panel on the door and dash and you'll see why newer cars are made like that to shave off weight, i would think so. otherwise, you can't complain about the exterior. i love the looks of the exterior. the interior of the 6th gen celica was very well laid out and i think it's one of the best interiors i've ever been in a car. i guess everyone has different tastes and views of it but whatever lol.

And you are CLEARLY being objective! Unfortunately pretty much all of the newer Toyotas are like that.

Anyway, as far as new engines to swap... NONE. Toyota doesn't make money from build sporty cars anymore. They make more money building a few engines and putting them in different packages. But Honda K20s are still nice, the older toyota motors are still cool, etc. There isn't any new Toyota vehicle that I would want to swap in a more performance oriented motor anyway... although a 2ZZ Yaris sedan would be fun.

[Dr_Tweak]

I've been pushing the Solora V6 swap for a few years now... yeah... I need to do one soon.

-Doc

how much for one OTD. with engine provided?

Looking at around $6500 - $7500 or so.

You know, I think that the way automotive engineering is going with everything being so sensor-reliant, it will make swaps much more difficult and is likely to narrow the range of swap-ability, within the confines of mechanical ability at least. Now if there's someone who can hack ECU software and start mating up things differently so they can work together, that might be a different story. But there will just be different challenges now. Our cars will become more and more rare, and while our cars and available swap engines age, the swaps will soon enough be left to those who really know what they're doing, as the engines will have to be rebuilt/refurbished basically to bring them up to like-new. Maybe it'll separate the "men from the boys" as they say.

You're absolutely right... CAN BUS controlled systems are in pretty much everything now... which makes swapping very, very difficult.

-Doc

[block]

couldn't you put a b-series or something in a celica? i mean those motors are small, light, and can be mod to go super fast because they respond well to little mods/turbo. forget the "honda" name, think of possibilities lol

This post has been edited by block: Oct 31, 2008 - 11:28 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

couldn't you put a b-series or something in a celica? i mean those motors are small, light, and can be mod to go super fast because they respond well to little mods/turbo. forget the "honda" name, think of possibilities lol

Ban him.

[BonzaiCelica]

couldn't you put a b-series or something in a celica? i mean those motors are small, light, and can be mod to go super fast because they respond well to little mods/turbo. forget the "honda" name, think of possibilities lol

Ban him.

haha doc i agree ban that guy. I totally hate those little civics, with their vtec engine. They think they are the shiznit cause they have a light fast car, Most civics look like crap on the inside and out of the car. civics dont have half as much looks as the celicas do neither do the integras. But ya dissapointed to hear that toyota celica version will only be sold in japan. Man toyota needs a sports car and fast. Looks like im going through with the beams swap for sure now! and ya come to think of it, our celica's are starting to get old dam!! but they still look really good as always

[terqui]

Its nothing new and its been done before but 2zz in a 2200lb MR-S is always fun. Its rear wheel drive, and you cant beat a light car with a high revving engine? (Elise killer anyone?)

[JDM_Factory]

I'm starting to standardize my swap primarily on v6 swaps now. 3vz and the 1st gen 1mz is a great motor is start with. The 3mz with a sc is my next stage in the v6 series. It's not that hard to find these parts either and it's absolutely not hard. Only the wiring and the electrical stuff.

One day I'll figure out a way to reprogram the ecu's to ignore or think it's in function for the immobilizer.

[playr158]

^ yup 3S-GE VVTi in +98 SS-II/III are single cam advancement, blacktop is duo.


i'd like to see a blacktop 3SGE 6GC celica...plus turbo? but theres something aboutthe blacktop fitting in there? head swap?

why would you head swap a blacktop Beams? Turboing them isn't too bad at all and yeilds pretty good results

but this is the motor I would ideally want in my car...but the fabrication requirements is appearing to be a bit of a pita....
don't know if you could sufficiently use an ST205 rear end or have to go with an IS300 Rear end + Quiffe LSD

[Rusty]

why would you head swap a blacktop Beams?

because "theres something about the blacktop fitting in there" its a RWD ONLY 3S-GE. where as gen4 3S-GE was both wasn't it? look at the size across, that would not fit it + the engine mounts are different.

[whatthe]

just a little offtopic, but if later on down the track (3 years or so) i might consider a engine swap, how much does it all cost 5grand?. Id be looking into a 3S-GTE. . or just a 3S-GE, could i fit those lexus 2jz beams into our celicas?

After saying all that would it be hard finding a good engine, 3 years down the track or would it become harder and rarer?

Thats all

[playr158]

why would you head swap a blacktop Beams?

because "theres something about the blacktop fitting in there" its a RWD ONLY 3S-GE. where as gen4 3S-GE was both wasn't it? look at the size across, that would not fit it + the engine mounts are different.

did you :read: my entire post....of course its RWD setup
but thanks for stating the obvious points

a the beams head is pretty much the entire point of the Blacktop 3sge...if you want a blacktop and FWD you'd get a blacktop 4age.
how do you expect a headswap to make it fit any better?



This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 3, 2008 - 7:08 AM

[blu94gt]

What about a TRD supercharged 2AZ out of a Scion tC/Camry?

[95celgt]

i want an audi TT motor in a celica, either the AMU 1.8T like the one i have or the 3.2 with a supercharger.......they are smooth and easy to mod for nice power, the only downfall is the TT is SOOOOOoo heavy, in a 6gc with 4WD it could be a great car

Eitherway tweak im gonna have you build something truely out of the ordinary in about 2 years, so cook something up by then, and make it either 4wd or RWD

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

audi pfft.
20b rotary, T51r turbo, microtech, big fmic, rwd, getrag 6 speed, lsd=win

[gt_driFFter]

TC's just look and feel so much cheaper on the inside than a 6gc

I totally disagree. Each year the tC is getting nicer and nicer. The 08s are damn sharp looking, I can't wait to see 09s. I don't think they feel cheaper on the inside, either. And they have nice low-end torque

I haven't been in the 08 or 09, but if they are anything like the "1st gen" tc's, then yes... they look and feel very cheap. Like kwanza said, most of the new toyota's do. Toyota's of the 90's were much better in those respects.

[95celgt]

audi pfft.
20b rotary, T51r turbo, microtech, big fmic, rwd, getrag 6 speed, lsd=win

yea man have you ever heard a built rotary??? a big factor in my thoughts is engine sound.......i've had 2 rotaries and they aren't very easy to live with, especially when they sound like a lawnmower on roids

[Akirad1]

yes rotarys are nice for the torque band but they are a Bastard when it comes to keeping them cool.
go to a rx7 forum and ask them they will tell you that they spent alot of money on just to keep it cool.

[Culpable04]

how often do they rebuilt those rotaries ? I have a friend with a RX7 and the car is just lovely, fast, clean, perfect. it has only 70 K miles. the engine has been replaced twice. I always blame him for that, but he says is the actual engine, they don't handle boost too well.


I think in the near future, we're just gonna keep rebuilding the old school engines, Toyota is not building anything to replace them, and a V6 swap doesn't sound as tempting to me. the 7th gen GTS engine, was a really good engine, but they didn't stick to it for too long to improve it, plus the 7th gen could have been lighter to be a better match to this engine.

Unless Toyota comes with something for car enthusiast affordable, I see almost everyone going to Honda.

[Akirad1]

how often do they rebuilt those rotaries ? I have a friend with a RX7 and the car is just lovely, fast, clean, perfect. it has only 70 K miles. the engine has been replaced twice. I always blame him for that, but he says is the actual engine, they don't handle boost too well.


I think in the near future, we're just gonna keep rebuilding the old school engines, Toyota is not building anything to replace them, and a V6 swap doesn't sound as tempting to me. the 7th gen GTS engine, was a really good engine, but they didn't stick to it for too long to improve it, plus the 7th gen could have been lighter to be a better match to this engine.

Unless Toyota comes with something for car enthusiast affordable, I see almost everyone going to Honda.

im sure they do normal race aplication rebuild, just depends on how hard they drive them and for what aplication they are being used for like drift, drag, rally x im sure you just gotta factor all of that into how and when it need to be rebuilt

[playr158]

Rotary engines in RX7s get replaced A LOT....they aren't long lasting motors at all.

[punkuup5150]

what about the motor our of the new toyota Aurion

heres a pic i dont meber what the spec are but i beleave they were close to the 3sgte or at leaast in the ballpark



found it

Powertrain Engine Power Torque Transmission
2.0 L 1AZ-FE I4 108 kW (145 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft) 4-speed U241E automatic
2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 123 kW (165 hp) 224 N·m (165 lb·ft) 5-speed U250E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE V6 200 kW (268 hp) 336 N·m (248 lb·ft) 6-speed U660E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE supercharged V6 241 kW (323 hp) 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)

[Dr_Tweak]

just a little offtopic, but if later on down the track (3 years or so) i might consider a engine swap, how much does it all cost 5grand?. Id be looking into a 3S-GTE. . or just a 3S-GE, could i fit those lexus 2jz beams into our celicas?

After saying all that would it be hard finding a good engine, 3 years down the track or would it become harder and rarer?

Thats all

$5k to $7k yeah. 2JZGE is out of the question for that price range, it would be a lot more expensive.

I wouldn't worry, there should be a steady flow of good engines coming in.

i want an audi TT motor in a celica, either the AMU 1.8T like the one i have or the 3.2 with a supercharger.......they are smooth and easy to mod for nice power, the only downfall is the TT is SOOOOOoo heavy, in a 6gc with 4WD it could be a great car

Eitherway tweak im gonna have you build something truely out of the ordinary in about 2 years, so cook something up by then, and make it either 4wd or RWD

Yeah I don't know about the Audi engine, but we'll fix you up with something real nice when you're ready

what about the motor our of the new toyota Aurion

heres a pic i dont meber what the spec are but i beleave they were close to the 3sgte or at leaast in the ballpark



found it

Powertrain Engine Power Torque Transmission
2.0 L 1AZ-FE I4 108 kW (145 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft) 4-speed U241E automatic
2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 123 kW (165 hp) 224 N·m (165 lb·ft) 5-speed U250E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE V6 200 kW (268 hp) 336 N·m (248 lb·ft) 6-speed U660E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE supercharged V6 241 kW (323 hp) 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)

Yeah those numbers are without the supercharger.

And the 323hp version is actually the 2GR-FSE if I recall correctly (Lexus IS350 application).

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Nov 6, 2008 - 8:01 PM

[macavely]

Forgive me if this point has been touched. Im just going off the original post right now.

I would love to see a 6th gen with a 2az fe engine. yea its only 160hp, but it handle boost like a champ. There are many tC running in the 300whp mark with bolt on turbos and Engine Control.

[Dr_Tweak]

That would be a very smart swap for someone with a '96+ Celica who has to pass OBD2 emissions testing.

-Doc

[Rusty]

I know that Toyota is not making any performance engines at the moment, so all engines codes are ***-FE?

[BloodyStupidDave...]

Powertrain Engine Power Torque Transmission
2.0 L 1AZ-FE I4 108 kW (145 hp) 190 N·m (140 lb·ft) 4-speed U241E automatic
2.4 L 2AZ-FE I4 123 kW (165 hp) 224 N·m (165 lb·ft) 5-speed U250E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE V6 200 kW (268 hp) 336 N·m (248 lb·ft) 6-speed U660E automatic
3.5 L 2GR-FE supercharged V6 241 kW (323 hp) 400 N·m (295 lb·ft)

Yeah those numbers are without the supercharger.

And the 323hp version is actually the 2GR-FSE if I recall correctly (Lexus IS350 application).

-Doc

So are they a possibility? What kinda pricerange?

[Dr_Tweak]

Possibility yeah. I'd have to spend some time on it but I suspect it would be in the $8000 range for the whole job.

-Doc

[RUNNIN-LOW]

hey tweak you think? check ebay out that rear end??? but it has nothing with it?? sorry at work i cant link it threw this comp.

[Projek_01]

no doc, the 323hp is the supercharged version. the normal motor only has 280hp before the sae standards and the is350 one has 306hp with direct injection. damnn, that motor looks small on a engine stand. it looks huge in my parent's avalon.

[Cuts_the_Pilot]

yep tweak that looks like the engine in the trd hiluxs and aurions

toyota still make a "G" head engine, its the 2ur-gse in the IS-F

[Rusty]

if they can drop a toyota V8 & RWD in a ST162, im sure we'll be fine

[Hanyo]

dont they have a toyota camry supercharger? cant you swap that into the celica.

[blu94gt]

dont they have a toyota camry supercharger? cant you swap that into the celica.

There's a TRD charger for the 1mz-fe v6 from the Camry. I had looked into swapping the 1mz into an MR2 a couple years back, and adding the supercharger.

[BonzaiCelica]

ya there is a mr2 here in socal witha v6 supercharged engine. it sounds SICK. I dont actually have pics of the engine but only of the car. I took the pic last year at toyo fest.

[soulshadow]

I think Toyota really cares less about performance now that's what the Lexus line is for. They stamp most of there trucks with TRD but we all know tats like a 3rd division with superchargers the price of a new born. Perhaps its time to look at different options, subaru? honda? acura? Nissan? ......dodge?

[Dr_Tweak]

GM?

(snickers)

[blu94gt]

I think Toyota really cares less about performance now that's what the Lexus line is for. They stamp most of there trucks with TRD but we all know tats like a 3rd division with superchargers the price of a new born. Perhaps its time to look at different options, subaru? honda? acura? Nissan? ......dodge?

It is sad to say, but looking at a different brand to play with is most logical. The 6gc is a great DD but for performance there's so much more out there. Civic Si, S2000, Prelude, Mazdaspeed3, Miata, WRX, list goes on lol.

[Dr_Tweak]

I think Toyota really cares less about performance now that's what the Lexus line is for. They stamp most of there trucks with TRD but we all know tats like a 3rd division with superchargers the price of a new born. Perhaps its time to look at different options, subaru? honda? acura? Nissan? ......dodge?

It is sad to say, but looking at a different brand to play with is most logical. The 6gc is a great DD but for performance there's so much more out there. Civic Si, S2000, Prelude, Mazdaspeed3, Miata, WRX, list goes on lol.

Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

[crankyelbow]

The v6 swaps are def the way to go... we'd see many more if the info was specific/centralized and the cost was actually considered.

Here, at least, I can get the 1mzfe for $500-750 and they are plentiful. A "front clip" is as easy as locating a camry v6 at a junkyard, which isn't dificult

The Q's are, what specifically has to be done in the 6gc, the MR2 writeups are out there, but whats different?

[playr158]

I think Toyota really cares less about performance now that's what the Lexus line is for. They stamp most of there trucks with TRD but we all know tats like a 3rd division with superchargers the price of a new born. Perhaps its time to look at different options, subaru? honda? acura? Nissan? ......dodge?

It is sad to say, but looking at a different brand to play with is most logical. The 6gc is a great DD but for performance there's so much more out there. Civic Si, S2000, Prelude, Mazdaspeed3, Miata, WRX, list goes on lol.

Hyundai Genesis Coupe.

QFT the Genesis Coupe is probably the best thing out for the money and performance right now in the import market.

V6 track edition = drool

[njccmd2002]

i thinks v6 would prolly be the best option on the celi shell.

[97celiman]

off topic but on the hyundai genesis isnt the v6 version the grand touring and has all the luxuries? leather power everything etc.? i read there was an RS model which is the 2.0 liter turbo but with everything stripped out...one magazine said the v6 was easier to get "loose" but i do they make a "track" specific version with the v6?

[Fastbird]

How about a LS2/T-56 and rear wheel drive swap into a 6th gen????

[playr158]

off topic but on the hyundai genesis isnt the v6 version the grand touring and has all the luxuries? leather power everything etc.? i read there was an RS model which is the 2.0 liter turbo but with everything stripped out...one magazine said the v6 was easier to get "loose" but i do they make a "track" specific version with the v6?

if you go to Hyundai's site you can see.

2.0T normal + track edition
V6 normal + track edition

4 total varients

[TRD_Ian]

there are enough mods and swaps you can do to a 6th gen to keep the dedicated owners happy. i plan to swap a 3rd gen 3SGTE in mine along with the mr2 tranny....and then slowly mod the the 3s...by the time i am done my car or have maxed it out im sure toyota will have something sporty again.....with other auto makers dropping like fly's all the excess buisness should yield some sport models....or at least i hope.....you will never see me in a Honda....a nissan maybe or a scooby but never a honda....there will always be a T badge in my driveway

[CPleasure]

I think that because of the fuel economy situation Toyota decided to focus on economical vehicles, but I'm sure it's only a matter of time until they come back out with some powerhouse performance based models. Going back to the topic though, anyone know of the potential of one of those 3.4L V6's that come in the 99-04 Tacoma TRD models? Not sure if it would fit, but my pops owns one, and one of those in a Celica would be pretty cool.. The idea came up because he has thoughts of throwing a V8 into his Tacoma. The 2.7-liter 2TR-FE might be a possibility? 4 banger with 180 ft lbs of torque, with some boost that might be a powerhouse... I dunno. Lol. A 3sgte in a is300 would be hot though, it's been done and that car looks sick, videos of it on youtube.

[Penkka]

I'd love to see an LS2 swapped 6gc/rear wheel drive sleeper [replying to Fastbird made me think of it ] but man would that be one hell of a project.

That has actually been on my mind also as of late.

i'd like to keep the motor JDM Blacktop 3sge or standard 3sgte + RWD (either ST205 rear or IS300 rear(dunno how close the IS is))

lets see the docs idea concept plan on this

3S-GTE and RWD was made couple years ago by the tuning mag Redline in UK.

and ti make it more extreme, they put it in the back of a Yaris