Within the next 3 years, I'd like to get a 6th gen celica. Options

[Milk]

Hey guys, I'm new to the forums, so if this isn't the right place, move the thread and bear with me.

Anyways, I've always been into Celicas. I grew up around them really. But my favorite has always been the 6th gen ones. I've noticed that as time goes by, they're getting increasingly rarer, at least in these parts. The fact that Celicas were discontinued doesn't help much either. I'm in northern California by the way. And even if I do find some good listings for them, they're usually in horrible condition, or have so many miles on them it's scary. Of course, this problem will only get worse and worse as time goes by. It happens to all cars.

Yesterday, I turned 15 and a half, (haha yeah, I actually kept track of that) which is the legal age for teenagers to start driving in California. I'll be getting a job soon, and sometime within the next 3 years I would like to own a 6th gen.

What are the chances that I'll find a decent one?
How much does a used stock generally go for?
Once I finally did get one, about how much would it cost me to turn my car into a weekend warrior?

Thanks for the help guys.

This post has been edited by Milk: Nov 11, 2008 - 3:45 PM

[DEATH]

What are the chances that I'll find a decent one? Good - better if you look on here you're more assured of getting a good one for a decent price
How much does a used stock generally go for? Depends on year, model and condition/mileage but you can get a good GT with average mileage of ~150K for dirt cheap if you look hard enough. Go to KBB.com and put in the options you want and you can get a rough idea.
Once I finally did get one, about how much would it cost me to turn my car into a weekend warrior? Firstly - if you intend to make it quick you're gonna wanna swap so therefore I advise you to get a GT hardtop [Coupe or Hatch is personal preference and sunroofs are OK - just stay away from the vert due to weight] and then you are looking at a minimum of $5K for the swap parts/supplies and that's if you do the work - more if you want to pay a reputable shop to do it.

[RickJamesBish]

Okay...there's a lot of ways to interpret this.

The range and spectrum of used cars, 6GC's specifically, is huge. Look long enough, might as well start now, and you'll find a good deal. Usually, better condition means it's more expensive but you'll get lucky sometimes. Mileage isn't a huge factor as Toyo engines last forever. It also depends on what you'd call "decent." If you're going to be putting on a kit, then the condition of the body will matter a little less, if there's dents/scratches in those areas. Mine was more or less perfect when I got it, but it also cost $7100. If you're going to mod it, you'll probably want a GT over an ST. There's not many upgrades for either one, but for some power get an intake, exhaust, tune and all of that. What most people do here is swap in a 3S-GE, which is a more powerful engine.

[D-Man]

...just stay away from the vert due to weight...

Not to mention the fact that our frames will and do flex ALOT more easily, and over time you can wind up warping it. also it's true, we do weigh closer to 3K than the other models. I think the vert is like 2700-2800 hundred lbs stock? I may be wrong; don't quote me on that..

[RickJamesBish]

It must be more, hatches are 26 and change I believe...

[D-Man]

The fact that you're 15 and already know what you want is impressive to me. Do you homework, research, and know everything you can about this car and all of your options, as well as basic car knowledge all together and you will go far my new-found friend

...just stay away from the vert due to weight...

Not to mention the fact that our frames will and do flex ALOT more easily, and over time you can wind up warping it. also it's true, we do weigh closer to 3K than the other models. I think the vert is like 2700-2800 hundred lbs stock? I may be wrong; don't quote me on that..

Mine was more or less perfect when I got it, but it also cost $7100.

What most people do here is swap in a 3S-GE, which is a more powerful engine.

Mine was totaled for $700. i've been rebuilding

Most people swap a 3s-gte due to the fact that it's a factory turbocharged engine. the 3s-ge is a lil faster than the 5sfe (USDM GT) but isn't going to make a "weekend warrior"

RickJames, i'm impressed. That was the most informative post i've ever seen out of you.

[Milk]

Bluebook is giving me about 8.7k for a liftback with 100k miles.

I don't know about that. Seems a bit high in my opinion. I'd pay 5k for it.

http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingRep...C230957%7Cfalse

[RickJamesBish]

8700 is way, way, waaay too high. I paid 7100 for mine with 66,454 miles.

RickJames, i'm impressed. That was the most informative post i've ever seen out of you.

What are you trying to say? All of my posts are relevant.

[D-Man]

What are you trying to say? All of my posts are relevant.

I'll PM you on this one, Lets not spam up a mans attempt of joining our elite group of Uber-Cool Car-Drivers

[garin]

yeah. i would get a gt... and it is true celica's are getting harder to find, or they have a ton of miles on them. i went to 3 junk yards today and saw a total of 3 6gc's. i saw like half a million civics and acura's. so the 6gc is a car to be proud of once you have one. be ready to pay around $5,000 for a 94-95 gt with over 100,000 on it. some 99's are still selling for around $10,000. good luck!

[DEATH]

Bluebook is giving me about 8.7k for a liftback with 100k miles.

I don't know about that. Seems a bit high in my opinion. I'd pay 5k for it.

http://www.kbb.com/KBB/UsedCars/PricingRep...C230957%7Cfalse

That's probably a fully loaded '99 GT LB on dealer pricing right? If you're looking for a deal the dealer is not the way. You can find a good say '96 GT with 100K for 5K - definetly. But it's gonna take some looking.

8700 is way, way, waaay too high. I paid 7100 for mine with 66,454 miles.

Yours is also a low model ST without perks too tho right?

[RickJamesBish]

Yours is also a low model ST without perks too tho right?

True that, I forgot. ABS if it wasn't standard...tinted windows? Other than that, no idea.

[DEATH]

Yours is also a low model ST without perks too tho right?

True that, I forgot. ABS if it wasn't standard...tinted windows? Other than that, no idea.

KBB takes ALOT off for things like moonroof, alloy wheels, ABS, electric functions etc. The engine difference also equals alot to KBB. That's the difference you are seeing.
$8700 does seem like alot but that's about right for what I described above [Fully loaded GT LB '98-99ish 100K]. That being said OP - you can find that same car on a deal for much less but you gotta do your shopping around - for a while. You got time so that works.

[RickJamesBish]

Moon roof- that too. And full wheel covers.

[D-Man]

you can find that same car on a deal for much less but you gotta do your shopping around - for a while. You got time so that works.

Checking your local craigslist.com can help as well. However you will want to have cash saved up for the deal, otherwise buying from a direct person will not work. But it's nice to have a car payed off and not worry about payments and it's also nice to grab up a $8000 for 3500-4000 for the exact same thing by having that cash on hand when someone else (with an unneeded celica) needs it

[DEATH]

it's also nice to grab up a $8000 for 3500-4000 for the exact same thing by having that cash on hand when someone else (with an unneeded celica) needs it

exactly. The best place to look is on here - we have members who move on to "faster out the box cars" or "more adult cars" all the time. What you do is start saving, find the one you want on here and wait for the seller to become frustrated and drop his price significantly Happens all the time.

[Milk]

Haha, you would be surprised at the amount of 15+ kids talking about how their dream car could kick blah blah blah's car's ass.
I have been checking craigslist just to stay semi-savy.
And yeah, i thought 8k was too much.

Regarding the 3sgte, is it twin turbo charged?
Because theres no way that I would get a single turbo engine.
Turbos lag too much. But from waht I've seen, twin turbos greatly reduce that lag.

This post has been edited by Milk: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:26 PM

[RickJamesBish]

No turbo.

This post has been edited by RickJamesBish: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:24 PM

[Milk]

No turbo.

Then I highly doubt I'll be getting the 3sgte.

[LewFX]

buy my car!

[DEATH]

Haha, you would be surprised at the amount of 15+ kids talking about how their dream car could kick blah blah blah's car's ass.
I have been checking craigslist just to stay semi-savy.
And yeah, i thought 8k was too much.

Regarding the 3sgte, is it twin turbo charged?
Because theres no way that I would get a single turbo engine.
Turbos lag too much. But from waht I've seen, twin turbos greatly reduce that lag.

Ok you are young so I'm gonna take it easy on you with this one. Twin Turbo is for 6cyl engines and up and even then most of those guys who race eventually upgrade to a larger single turbo [Google Supra single turbo conversion and get ready for retarded amounts of info].
4cyl turbo cars use single turbos but most use more efficient low rpms turbos to minimize lag [From the factory - again most drag racers will upgrade to larger more power producing turbos that consequently have more lag but by that time you know how to keep your car in boost so it's really only an issue in 1st gear. And when the big turbo kicks in - you forget all about lag - trust me]

The car you have chosen [The Celica] came with a CT-26 turbo in the older models and the CT-20b turbo in the 6th gen [Unfortunately not here]. All but the very oldest models use a twin entry Turbo. This turbo is specifically designed to spool almost instantly so lag is not an issue whatsoever on stock turbo. It's a ralley inspired car afterall.

There is more info coming - BRB

No turbo.

WRONG! Oh boy are you wrong.

This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:38 PM

[D-Man]

Haha, you would be surprised at the amount of 15+ kids talking about how their dream car could kick blah blah blah's car's ass.
I have been checking craigslist just to stay semi-savy.
And yeah, i thought 8k was too much.

Regarding the 3sge, is it twin turbo charged?
Because theres no way that I would get a single turbo engine.
Turbos lag too much. But from waht I've seen, twin turbos greatly reduce that lag.

Key-word is talking. You sir; are hear Learning

the 3s-ge is a naturaly asperiated car. it has no turbo.
the 3s-gte has a single turbo because there is not enough power to push two turbos.
the 3s-gte did not ever come in a 6gc here in america. Only the JDM GT-Fours had them. the 5th gen's did have 3sgte's, and so did the 2-3rd gen MR2's.
Twin turbo engines will be more likely to lagg than single turbo engines. 3s-gte's do not experience much lagg. If you want a twin turbo, you'd better do it on a V6 or a V8. Otherwise, you'll live the rest of your life in Boost lag.

Read these and absourbe the knowledge like a sponge:

http://www.6gc.net/information
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/supercharger.htm
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question259.htm (remember that NOS is a brand name, like McDonnalds, You eat a burger, not a franchise You dont put NOS in your engine, NOS puts nitrous oxide in your engine, and Zex is a better brand anyway )
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29705

When you're done, hollar back at us

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:36 PM

[RickJamesBish]

I lied, I read 3S-GE...single turbo.

[D-Man]

I lied, I read 3S-GE...single turbo.

Why would you say that?

READ and LEARN
http://www.6gc.net/information/13
http://www.6gc.net/information/7

[DEATH]

Damn D-Man - most impressive. This is why I never mind answering your questions - you always learn, remember and never ask the same question twice. And you're not afraid to do your homework and pass on the info to other guys like this who are new to the game.

Milk - you want this [Not mine specifically but one like it]:


This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:47 PM

[njccmd2002]

http://i352.photobucket.com/albums/r347/DE...08/DSC00355.jpg

I like this

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Nov 11, 2008 - 5:48 PM

[Milk]

Thanks for the links.
Time to read up.

[RickJamesBish]

READ and LEARN
http://www.6gc.net/information/13
http://www.6gc.net/information/7

But it is a single turbo?

[D-Man]

But it is a single turbo?

That is a picture of a 3sgte. Under that silver heat shield, there is ONE turbo. that is the only turbo on the 3sgte. (most) all 4 cylinder engines cannot handle multiple turbos due to the fact that you'd have to hit like 6000 rpm just to initiate boost. Unless it was 2 insanely small turbo's, but they'd blow out easily (due to the tiny bearing it'd have), and not have a very high maximum due to the fact they'd be so small.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 12, 2008 - 9:48 AM

[RickJamesBish]

So it is one turbo. I correctly corrected myself.

[DEATH]

So it is one turbo. I correctly corrected myself.

No - you said 3S-GE - that's non-turbo. 3S-GTE [Note the T for Turbo right in the engine code] has one dual entry Turbo.

I lied, I read 3S-GE...single turbo.

Why would you say that?

READ and LEARN
http://www.6gc.net/information/13
http://www.6gc.net/information/7

This post has been edited by DEATH: Nov 12, 2008 - 4:56 PM

[RickJamesBish]

I said that I thought he meant 3S-GE, not 3S-GTE. Therefore, me saying no turbo applied to me erroneously thinking 3S-GE. And then I corrected myself.

[D-Man]

okay. we were all confused on what each other said; But we're all clear now:

3s-ge performance engine, non turbo
3s-gte high performance single turbo

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 12, 2008 - 5:25 PM

[epocsirhc]

I am 17 and my first car was a 72 Porsche 914. After 7 months of looking I finally found a 97 gt with 85,000 miles fully loaded for six grand. Just to let you know it is an expensive car to insure as well as the initial cost. It is 750 dollars every six months in my dads name so I can only imagine what it would be for me. Just keep looking and good luck.

[RickJamesBish]

My car wasn't that bad to insure, I think around 1300 a year? After good driver's discount and everything else.

Pics of that Porsche? Sick first car.

[97celiman]

damn son...i paid 5.3k for mine with 135,000 miles, fully loaded except cruise control...i hate it when i find out there was a better deal but o well
ps-my first car was a 62 ford falcon...yay carburetors with a manual choke...not

[epocsirhc]

Yeah you would think that since it is a Porsche that it is fast but the celica is quite a bit faster. However the Porsche handles like a dream. It is also running carbs right now. I will try and get some pics up soon.

[97celiman]

ya mine was a single barrel holley...nothing special like less than 100cfm but it was a factory rebuilt spec. i had to get rid of the falcon...i love old cars but not for dd and id need the car plus at LEAST 15k

[Euphoria]

I've heard people on this site get up to 450 000km out of there GT's engine and gearbox and even similar with the ST but Its all up to how its been looked after, if its been driven hard it will last a lot less but probably will still be a long time if serviced well.

Id personally stay below the 200 000km mark just because I wouldn't like getting a high km car from scratch, personally Id go with the GT as even they have a rep for not being a real fast car, they aren't slugs but just not fast compared to other cars in the class, they are comfortable to drive and pull well up hills and still pull well with weight in the car and very fun to drive.

As for things that go wrong its just common things that happen on all older cars really, cv joints, oil leaks, water pump, radiator leaks etc etc.

to turn it into a more fun car then its probably best to start with the suspension, upgraded shocks and springs, sway bars front and back, strut bars etc

both engines that come stock aren't good to mod but early on its worth atleast doing intake as the sound is amazing haha, turbo isn't needed to have fun, even a 3sge non turbo still has a fair bit of power 160-200hp depending on which gen.

[MaskedMan]

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EDIT: was going to comment on a topic brought up on the first page, it has been covered LOLOLOLOLOL

This post has been edited by _Jim_: Nov 13, 2008 - 7:48 PM

[RickJamesBish]

We've covered that I made a mistake there...

And there you go in your edit.

[Milk]

Thanks to everyone who helped me out.
For now I have but one question. (It's likely more are to come).
How much do 3ste's usually go for? I'll do my own research, but I'd like you hear from you guys too.

[D-Man]

Thanks to everyone who helped me out.
For now I have but one question. (It's likely more are to come).
How much do 3ste's usually go for? I'll do my own research, but I'd like you hear from you guys too.

3ste's? Never head of such a thing. Now there are 3s-fe's and 3s-ge's and 3s-gte's and i see no reason you couldnt turbo a 3s-fe making a 3s-fte....

But you are probably wondering about the Crown jewel's 3s-gte (highest preformance turbocharged engine)

Keep you letters right, one letter can make a lot of difference.

EDIT: wait, on second thought, a 3s-te would be a turbocharged 3s engine, without a head? Right?

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:05 PM

[Milk]

Thanks to everyone who helped me out.
For now I have but one question. (It's likely more are to come).
How much do 3ste's usually go for? I'll do my own research, but I'd like you hear from you guys too.

3ste's? Never head of such a thing. Now there are 3s-fe's and 3s-ge's and 3s-gte's and i see no reason you couldnt turbo a 3s-fe making a 3s-fte....

But you are probably wondering about the Crown jewel's 3s-gte (highest preformance turbocharged engine)

Keep you letters right, one letter can make a lot of difference.

EDIT: wait, on second thought, a 3s-te would be a turbocharged 3s engine, without a head? Right?

Haha, yeah, I did mean the 3s-gte.

[D-Man]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-TOYOTA-...sspagenameZWDVW
^ super deal ^

Here ya go.

For the JDM, GT-four's 3sgte it seems to run 2500-3000 (for mint/perfect condition), although you could pillage an MR2's or one of the younger celica's for one, (minor work to make everything fit) You could get one of those for maybe 1500-2000... less if you have a local shop that's willing to part with one cheaper. You could always turbocharge you 5s-fe too. w/e.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 19, 2008 - 12:12 PM

[Milk]

Great. That price doesn't seem bad.

I have another question that I forgot to ask.
You mentioned that twin turbos are more likely to lag than singles.
Why? Is it because of the extra power needed for two turbos?

Also, I once heard a while back ago that twin turbos of course do lag, but that's why there is another to make up for it..? And that when finally both do kick in, the speed increase is drastic.
Sorry that sentence was worded weird. But I think you understand.
Is all this true?

[D-Man]

Great. That price doesn't seem bad.

I have another question that I forgot to ask.
You mentioned that twin turbos are more likely to lag than singles.
Why? Is it because of the extra power needed for two turbos?

Also, I once heard a while back ago that twin turbos of course do lag, but that's why there is another to make up for it..? And that when finally both do kick in, the speed increase is drastic.
Sorry that sentence was worded weird. But I think you understand.
Is all this true?

okay...

Lets start at the beginning. The exhaust flows out of your engine, and gets one fan spinning, witch in-turn, spins the fan on the intake side... Now, If the engines exhaust gas isn't flowing fast enough to spin the fan with enough force to suck air on the other side, then you're in boost lag, because your engine is trying to suck in air thru all this piping and inter coolers and turbo's and so on... You engine is suffocating. Now as soon as there is enough exhaust flow to spin that fan, they you're hitting boost. Right? Right. Okay, now if you try to spin 2 fans with HALF as much power (because instead of 4 ports going to one fan, you now have "TWIN" turbo or a "DUAL" setup, witch is 2 ports to one turbo and 2 ports to the other), then theoretically it'll take 4 times as long/much power to get it spinning the speed in witch you're hitting boost. Right? Yeah. Now when it does finally kick in it's also going to build up PSI pressure twice as fast... But you'll be at like 6000RPM before that happens making it pretty much useless. Mind you you'll never be able to accelerate (more than inch-by inch) from a dead stop. Then you need to wonder if this engine can HANDLE that much boost when you finally get it going. Sure, you COULD build up some un-godly amount of pressure and force the fuel in it, but would it be a good IDEA? no. Sure, you COULD run 150PSI thru it, Would it last? Or would it launch a piston rod clear out of the other side?

Re-read that HOWSTUFFWORKS.com article, and explore the other options.

EDITED: Remember i'm at work, so i fixed some of my bad spellings and elaborated on some un-explained ideals.

This post has been edited by D-Man: Nov 19, 2008 - 1:07 PM

[D-Man]

EDITED

[RickJamesBish]

Wow D-Man, that's impressive.

[D-Man]

Scary to know that i actually know something... isn't it? Maybe that's why Matt is comparing me to Deadpool around every corner