rice pipe?, exhaust Options

[96stgreendemon]

ok, bought an exhaust off my cousins friend today that was for a honda, think he paid 175 for the exhaust. its just the muffler though i was wondering if anyone had put something like this on and could tell me how it sounds.

[SwissFerdi]

Yes, people have for sure put mufflers on their 6GC...and we have NO idea how to tell you what it would sound like.

[96stgreendemon]

ok, bought an exhaust off my cousins friend today that was for a honda, think he paid 175 for the exhaust. its just the muffler though i was wondering if anyone had put something like this on and could tell me how it sounds.

but its only a muffler not a cat back, will this change the sound at all?

[sunwukongg]

ok, bought an exhaust off my cousins friend today that was for a honda, think he paid 175 for the exhaust. its just the muffler though i was wondering if anyone had put something like this on and could tell me how it sounds.

but its only a muffler not a cat back, will this change the sound at all?

the sound difference is very minimal when running an aftermarket muffler with stock piping..it wont give you the full potential roar of it. i first had a greddy evo 1 muffler on my stock piping. it was crap, the sounds noticable. but not as much as id like it to be. later on i put in a short ram intake. the intake def gave a noticable sound. following that i finally got 2.5" custom catback. and that definitely helped make my evo muffler sound louder. and finally, once i put in my headers, it sounded like a beast has awaken..absolutely love it..deep tone..very loud..and it doesnt give me that fart cannon crap(depends on the muffler you get however). and i sound off a bunch of alarms everytime i drive in parking garages or neighborhoods. :] my celis a GT so it has more power than the st

This post has been edited by sunwukongg: Nov 13, 2009 - 12:44 AM

[96stgreendemon]

yeah she dont have much power, but i already have a short ram on, and it actually gave it a pretty good deep tone, and put a big ass grin on my face when i hit the gas

[808celica]

Our cars with just the canister sounds fine.

This post has been edited by 808celica: Nov 13, 2009 - 3:05 AM

[delusionz]

Changing the oem muffler for a straight flowing cannon changes alot,

sound
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theres alot more sound from just off idle to about 4000 rpm (even with a light foot)
loud bass rumble at 3000 rpm
idle is slightly louder
adds a few pops and bangs during gear shifts and deceleration

power
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engine responds alot quicker to throttle blips - less hesitation
(although difference is negligible during acceleration)

weight
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major difference in weight between the oem muffler and a stainless cannon muffler

[celicanice]

if you daily drive it, dont do it.
its fun at first, but its a pain after a while.

[Mstoochn]

"rice pipe?, exhaust"


ok thats regrading... do u mind?

[samir0189]

if you daily drive it, dont do it.
its fun at first, but its a pain after a while.

yup, i had one on my car. at 70 mph it sounded like rocket was chasing me.

[richee3]

The intake is a LOT more fun to listen to than the exhaust.

[Euphoria]

The intake is a LOT more fun to listen to than the exhaust.

I agree, the only thing I can say an exhaust is good for is you can hear the engine better and rev match better on a track or something, my dads cars stock and I always use it on the track and its a bitch to rev match because I'm not used to the car and its so quiet.

And you don't get power gain on crappy n/a cars with an already well setup exhaust.

[CastrolCelica]

I have a philosophy with cars, and I think it's true...always (and why I hate ****ty hondas):

The noise from your car when you accelerate should come from your engine, not your ass. If your car is roaring down the highway, . If your car is farting down the highway, .




This post has been edited by CastrolCelica: Nov 13, 2009 - 11:55 PM

[95CelicaST]

Hang on to the muffler if you want it and save up a couple hundred bucks and have an exhaust shop make you new 2.25" piping. Welding the muffler to stock piping will make it stupid loud and that's it. No performance gains, no light weight advantages, nothing. You'll be just like every other ricer on a budget.

[Bitter]

7afe with ebay header and NO muffler sounds good as well...but is a little loud when you're on it or cruising above 3000 rpm.

[that-one-girl]

I ran completely stock exhaust with a fairly cheap straight through muffler for a long time. It did absolutely nothing power wise, but it sounded good -- no bumble bee crackles or anything, just a smooth deep tone. But then the fun started... I needed to replace my pipe, so I decided to go with a 2.25" custom cat back, which meant I had to take off my resonator. After that, my car sounded like complete ricer crap... I'm talking epic fart cannon sound, lol. So I replaced the cheap straight though muffler with a flowmaster delta 60 (the one that's made for 4 bangers), and now my car sounds amazing.

So, just going off of my experience, I would say that the muffler on your stock set up should sound okay... but if you decide to go with a bigger pipe, spend the money on a good muffler... otherwise you'll hate the way your car sounds.

This post has been edited by that-one-girl: Nov 20, 2009 - 12:06 AM

[Galcobar]

The resonator is key to a smooth tone. Mufflers are good for volume, but resonators are good for avoiding the nasty buzz typical of uneducated car owners (aka pretty much every Civic with a three-inch pipe).

[nics]

Hang on to the muffler if you want it and save up a couple hundred bucks and have an exhaust shop make you new 2.25" piping. Welding the muffler to stock piping will make it stupid loud and that's it. No performance gains, no light weight advantages, nothing. You'll be just like every other ricer on a budget.

agree. 2.25" is a good size.

The resonator is key to a smooth tone. Mufflers are good for volume, but resonators are good for avoiding the nasty buzz typical of uneducated car owners (aka pretty much every Civic with a three-inch pipe).

get the vibrant ultra quiet resonator

[SpadeBF]

I just bought the megan n1 racing canister its a 3" outlet but it has a silencer on it that is like an inch in diameter i think once i get it on it will sound really good.

Question: What is an avg estimate on custom 2.25 in piping from header to canister

[Galcobar]

Hang on to the muffler if you want it and save up a couple hundred bucks and have an exhaust shop make you new 2.25" piping. Welding the muffler to stock piping will make it stupid loud and that's it. No performance gains, no light weight advantages, nothing. You'll be just like every other ricer on a budget.

agree. 2.25" is a good size.

The resonator is key to a smooth tone. Mufflers are good for volume, but resonators are good for avoiding the nasty buzz typical of uneducated car owners (aka pretty much every Civic with a three-inch pipe).

get the vibrant ultra quiet resonator

Only problem is that the Vibrant is not a resonator, it's a round-body straight-through muffler with bad product labelling.

A resonator does not use a "perforated core, surrounded by our premium multi-layer sound absorption materials." A resonator is an echo chamber. It bounces soundwaves into each other in order to cancel them out. The technology is entirely different, despite both items being round metal canisters affixed to an exhaust system. For a demonstration, find a true resonator (if you have the stock exhaust you have one) and tap on it. A resonator will ring like a bell; a straight-through absorbtion muffler will, well, muffle the sound and produce a dull thud.

Obviously, if you reduce the volume of an annoying exhaust note it will stop being annoying, but a resonator will get rid of the annoying note at any volume.

[soulshadow]

If you ever really had bad gas problems and couldn't let it loose. It sounds like keeping it all in until that final moment when it just suddenly exlplodes out. That's what a rice exhaust sounds like, I dunno why they even call it rice anymore they should just call it beans.

[terbear4god4life]

tanabe gold medallion

[TRD_Ian]

i have a aem short ram, 2.5" custom catback and a maganflow street series and it sounds good i think... i love it. should sound 10 times better with a turbo on the other end

[nics]

Hang on to the muffler if you want it and save up a couple hundred bucks and have an exhaust shop make you new 2.25" piping. Welding the muffler to stock piping will make it stupid loud and that's it. No performance gains, no light weight advantages, nothing. You'll be just like every other ricer on a budget.

agree. 2.25" is a good size.

The resonator is key to a smooth tone. Mufflers are good for volume, but resonators are good for avoiding the nasty buzz typical of uneducated car owners (aka pretty much every Civic with a three-inch pipe).

get the vibrant ultra quiet resonator

Only problem is that the Vibrant is not a resonator, it's a round-body straight-through muffler with bad product labelling.

A resonator does not use a "perforated core, surrounded by our premium multi-layer sound absorption materials." A resonator is an echo chamber. It bounces soundwaves into each other in order to cancel them out. The technology is entirely different, despite both items being round metal canisters affixed to an exhaust system. For a demonstration, find a true resonator (if you have the stock exhaust you have one) and tap on it. A resonator will ring like a bell; a straight-through absorbtion muffler will, well, muffle the sound and produce a dull thud.

Obviously, if you reduce the volume of an annoying exhaust note it will stop being annoying, but a resonator will get rid of the annoying note at any volume.

so, are you talking about this?

http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/prod...;products_id=45

so are you saying this is mislabelled as a resonator?

do you have a first hand experience on this product? have you tapped it personally and have you disected it to see that it has a perforated core?

your words seems a quote from some thread ago...

[yarik83]

I have a philosophy with cars, and I think it's true...always (and why I hate ****ty hondas):

The noise from your car when you accelerate should come from your engine, not your ass. If your car is roaring down the highway, . If your car is farting down the highway, .

Castrol... I can see where you have the right to question honda owners with 95 horsepower cars and a giant exhaust... but errr... how is that car in the image you posted different from yours? Having had a celica with a huge yellow dragon decal on both sides... I am fairly certain that that honda's owner operated on same principle as you and I did... did he not?

This is what my old celi used to look like with similar type decal

[nics]

^^i like your white rims

[Promasta]

Only problem is that the Vibrant is not a resonator, it's a round-body straight-through muffler with bad product labelling.

Umm, I believe the Vibrant is the only 2.25" resonator. If you Google "2.25" resonator" it is the only one that comes up.
On youtube there are before/after vids of the Vibrant resonator, it significantly reduces farting/rice.
I think the best sounding and looking setup would be 2.25" mandrel bent stainless steel pipe from cat back, 2.25" Vibrant Ultra-quiet resonator, and 60mm Apexi WS2 muffler.
Unfortunately where I live this would cost over $800, a lot for 2 wheel horse power.

[yarik83]

I don't have the car anymore but rims were made by Motegi Racing. They were 18 inch aluminum rims with 225/35/18 being like a quarter inch from rubbing after I dropped that car with coilovers

[nics]

that would look nice on a white car! like mine lol

[Galcobar]

so, are you talking about this?

http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/prod...;products_id=45

so are you saying this is mislabelled as a resonator?

do you have a first hand experience on this product? have you tapped it personally and have you disected it to see that it has a perforated core?

your words seems a quote from some thread ago...

Yes, that item. I don't have to tap it, the product description which I quoted from the page you linked makes it entirely clear it is not a resonator. Resonators do not absorb sound via insulation, and therefore do not "Feature Vibrant's "True Straight Through" perforated core, surrounded by our premium multi-layer sound absorption materials." Determining that this product is not what it's labelled is as simple as looking at a product description of a "diesel" engine which features iridium spark plugs.

A perforated core surrounded by insulation is the basic description of a straight-through muffler. And the reason my post sounds like a quote is because I've posted it before. The problem is simply one of mislabelling; many people think all round-body items which go into the exhaust system under the car are resonators. They're not.

For a proper explanation of a resonator's function and form, look up Hemholtz resonator.

This post has been edited by Galcobar: Nov 24, 2009 - 10:42 PM

[nics]

what do you recoomend then?

[CastrolCelica]

I have a philosophy with cars, and I think it's true...always (and why I hate ****ty hondas):

The noise from your car when you accelerate should come from your engine, not your ass. If your car is roaring down the highway, . If your car is farting down the highway, .

Castrol... I can see where you have the right to question honda owners with 95 horsepower cars and a giant exhaust... but errr... how is that car in the image you posted different from yours? Having had a celica with a huge yellow dragon decal on both sides... I am fairly certain that that honda's owner operated on same principle as you and I did... did he not?

This is what my old celi used to look like with similar type decal

Huh?

Mine has never looked anything like that. There's a huge difference between putting a big dragon on the side of your car and a car kit ala Need for Speed's custom car creator, and making your car look like a real life rally car that you grew up idolizing. On top of that, I have, and will continue, to do many performance mods. If all I did was put a new muffler on my car and paint it like the Hondas you think I'm like, then you could call me a hypocrite.

Proof in point. My car doesn't sound like it's farting with a high pitched whiny sound (like the Hondas you assume I am like), and my car doesn't make teenagers cream their pants (like the box shaped, low horsepower loving people you think I'm like).

I made my car because it's something I've always wanted since I've seen it on tv, in magazines and in old video games, and will continue to make it closer and closer and closer as the years go on and the money for the project grows. I can guarantee your inspiration and thought process in creating yours was not the same as mine. There is nothing wrong with your car, but we do not run on the same philosophy here.

This post has been edited by CastrolCelica: Nov 25, 2009 - 11:33 AM

[96stgreendemon]

darryl, **** it lets do a 3sgte conversion on your celica!!! you get the engine and i will be up in columbus by 4 lol lets do it and shut everyone up!!!

[CastrolCelica]

darryl, **** it lets do a 3sgte conversion on your celica!!! you get the engine and i will be up in columbus by 4 lol lets do it and shut everyone up!!!

I have the money, and that's a planned future mod (as you well know, I have all sorts of messed up plans for this haha). I just need someone who knows how to put in engines who'd .. ya know.. do it.

This post has been edited by CastrolCelica: Nov 25, 2009 - 12:53 PM

[95CelicaST]

what do you recoomend then?

I'm still saying the Vibrant Ultra Quiet unit. Traditional resonator or not - it smooths the tone out and sounds very nice. Many race applications take two N1-style straight-through mufflers and put them in-line for the exact same effect. I believe this very same arguement tried to take off in the Official Exhaust Thread, and it was shot to pieces. Having owned a custom exhaust with a Vibrant muffler, and then a complete Vibrant catback on my WRX with the very same Ultra Quiet Resonator, I will say that it is hands down an excellent product, and that is why I will continue to push their products.

This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Nov 25, 2009 - 1:11 PM

[nics]

^^yup i agree! no matter how a resonator is built, it has one single purpose - smooth down the tone

im still going with the vibrant

[Spider77]

what do you recoomend then?

I'm still saying the Vibrant Ultra Quiet unit. Traditional resonator or not - it smooths the tone out and sounds very nice. Many race applications take two N1-style straight-through mufflers and put them in-line for the exact same effect. I believe this very same arguement tried to take off in the Official Exhaust Thread, and it was shot to pieces. Having owned a custom exhaust with a Vibrant muffler, and then a complete Vibrant catback on my WRX with the very same Ultra Quiet Resonator, I will say that it is hands down an excellent product, and that is why I will continue to push their products.

Actually, thats not what the argument (if you want to call it that) was about. Im pretty sure it started off as that, but wound up being about the word "implied". And to top it off, got way off subject. But, 95 there did show me an application of the two muffler set up. To add to that, there was a vid on there with that vibrant set up (at least I think there was), and I'll admit, it sounded good. So push those products!

[yarik83]

castrol... all I was trying to say is that to an outsider your car looks like someone took a white car and slapped a bunch of stickers on it. They would not know that its a rally car replica paint/decal scheme, they would not know what a rally car looked like if they saw one. They probably forgot what sega even was... As a matter of fact... and this is true story.. you can and you will probably get ticketed for your decals. When I went to Virginia to player158's meet I slept over in my buddy's house only to find out that I got a 86 dollar ticket for what was classified as "inappropriate graphics" and 43 dollar ticket for unapproved aftermarket modification.

But anyways... prior to Fast and the Furious (which caused an explosion of aftermarket market) there was little of fancy shmancy anything. People were just getting into the subwoofer situation, coming out of sleeper muscle cars. I do like your car though... but kind of wish it had grrr power to back up all the visual cues.