My 3rd Gen 3SGTE Swap Thread, It lives!!! Pg8 Options

[presure2]

So as most of ya know, i've had jenns 94 GT setup with a 5sfte for just about 5 years now, and its time to move on.

after going thru all the options we decided on a 3rd gen 3sgte for all the obvious reasons.
_jim_ has been selling 3s motor sets and clips to a few diffrent members here, and is a good friend of mine, so i gave him a call, and discussed my options with him.
he set me up with a great deal on a clip minus body panels ect, since we already have the '4 front end on jenns car.
he delivered it to my house on friday.
we're pretty sure the clip is a 94, it has ~34,000 miles on it (~55,000km) and is in GREAT shape.

some pics of the progress so far.

once we got the hood and bumper off, this is what we had:





it came with a blitz BOV, blitz spark plug wires, and blitz ground kit.





the turbo has virtually NO shaft play, and spins super free and smooth as butter.



the leader and supervisor of team "JDM guy"



this morning i dropped out the 3s, its much easier to just remove the suspension, crossmembers, motor and tranny as one piece out the bottom.

this pic shows how i lifted the clip up over the motor once i dropped it onto a dolly



the motor with the intercooler off out of the clip:





the suspension and crossmember



and chassis tag:



more to come as progress is made.

[Tigawoods]

u crazy manny
u crazy

is this going into the purple celi you have?


oh wait.
i read what you said.
nvm lol


This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Apr 4, 2010 - 6:57 PM

[garin]

good stuff manny! keep us updated... i see the boss is checking in on you in that one pic!

[bccentaur3]

Nice pick up Manny!!! I have been waiting on more projects from you for quit some time now. Can't wait to see the beast come alive. So what ever happened to the purple celica you picked up awhile back?

[Ted95]

damn manny, u aint messin around, u already got the motor out of the clip good for u man and u jus got it on friday. mines still sittin in the shop at maaco lol i cant wait to start my work on mines

[lagos]

Congtats bro! It looks great!

[presure2]

thanks guys.
will, the burple celica is still my DD, i still have the 2nd gen 3s i got from jim to put into someday..lol

[OOBE]

Sweetness, man. I'll definitely be following this thread.

[Defgeph]

Freaking awesome dude!

[SlvrCelica09]

so niceeee..

[devilsden97]

supervisors gotten big. glad to see ur still tinkering

long time no see btw

[jgreening]

Nice. I approve.

[presure2]

thanks guys!!
AMCMoe PM'd me yesterday, to let me know that the clip is a '95, which is cool to know.
didnt really do anything in the garage yesterday or today, just took a couple more pics, ill post them later or tommorow.
tommorow i will pull off the tranny and get the engine on a stand.

[Smaay]

another great thread Manny, please post lots of pics and give good details on how you did the wiring....I have a few ideas up my sleeve for my car. Oh by the way, are you going to install the engine "as is" or will you tear it down and re-fresh it?

[bccentaur3]

Manny let me know whats left over from the swap. I might need a few parts.

[presure2]

Manny let me know whats left over from the swap. I might need a few parts.

PM me what you need and a price will, i have everything on the clip except body panels, headlights, and brakes.
obviously all the swap parts are being used..lol

definetly not tearing it down, ill do alot of cleaning up and coating of some sort on lots of parts, and tbelt, but other than that, im only gonna do whats needed. after all, its only got 34,000 miles on it

got the tranny off and the motor on a stand today, the more i take off the more i realize how nice and clean the motor is. what a beautiful thing.

looking up at the block, you can see the oil feed line attched to the block on the right there.


the backside


the typical trouble spot for the 3/5s motors, under the dizzy


the blitz spark plug wires, which apparently, they no longer make:


and the blitz BOV, a bit pitted, but it'll look good once its all cleaned up, however, i wont be using it. ( we still like the HKS over the blitz sound)


the steering wheel


the upper timing cover after a quick wipe


this weekend i want to tear into the clip, get everything off it and start cutting it up. FUN!!!

[_Jim_]

Awesome Manny, I am glad you are happy with the motor...and I am glad it went to such a great home. I am looking forward to seeing this in person again real soon.

[bccentaur3]

Lucky, the power steering pump on the 3rd gen is easy to work with.

So are you going to be using an e153 transmission or stick with the tired s54? I'm surprised that transmission has held up through all those years of your beating lol!!

[95st-celica]

good **** man...thats gonna be a nice ride when its done

Any mod plans for it, or staying somewhat simple at first? obviously these things with little work put down 330 and thats more than enough for a DD..lol...

im interested to see how this thread goes man so keep up the good work...this weather is awesome for goin back out and workin on the car after that winter...im looking to get mine back into shape real soon

[SlvrCelica09]

Lucky, the power steering pump on the 3rd gen is easy to work with.

So are you going to be using an e153 transmission or stick with the tired s54? I'm surprised that transmission has held up through all those years of your beating lol!!

The S54 is pretty strong, it can hold up to 300 whp.

[bccentaur3]

I know that the s54 is strong. Mine has proven itself up until the input shaft of the cv shaft snapped inside the diff, causing me to lose reverse. When that happened I struck a deal on an e153 lsd trans.

[presure2]

Lucky, the power steering pump on the 3rd gen is easy to work with.

So are you going to be using an e153 transmission or stick with the tired s54? I'm surprised that transmission has held up through all those years of your beating lol!!

I'll be using the same s54. I can't afford to do the e153 swap right now.

No big plans for the motor, I'm just gonna add a helper spring for the wastegate, make a nice 3" intake, use the water injection off the 5sfte setup, the same MBC and exhaust with a new front peice, although I may add a resonator to quiet it down a little around town.
I'd like to install cam gears... I'm trying to trade some bodywork labor for them with a fellow member... (we love u Steff!!)
that's about it other than cleaning things up and tidying up the engine bay.

This weekend we are working on dissasembling the clip, I cut the spot welds and removed the radiator support Thursday, today I'm gonna take the dash, ect off and start cutting the clip up down to the firewall.
Pics tonight!

[samir0189]

looking forward to those pics. Hope everything goes well.

[SlvrCelica09]

I know that the s54 is strong. Mine has proven itself up until the input shaft of the cv shaft snapped inside the diff, causing me to lose reverse. When that happened I struck a deal on an e153 lsd trans.

oh true.. the e153 is probably the best bet in the long run.

[bccentaur3]

Soooo RHD conversion??

[Ted95]

I know that the s54 is strong. Mine has proven itself up until the input shaft of the cv shaft snapped inside the diff, causing me to lose reverse. When that happened I struck a deal on an e153 lsd trans.

oh true.. the e153 is probably the best bet in the long run.

im doing basically the same swap as manny (only with a FMIC) and im reusing my stock s54 tranny withhhhh 205k on it .. it drives and shifts pretty clean, u think it will hold with the mileage?

[6G96GT]

This is just the thread I need to read up on! Looking forward to that turbo swap man! Looks good so far!

This post has been edited by 6G96GT: Apr 10, 2010 - 8:18 PM

[bccentaur3]

I know that the s54 is strong. Mine has proven itself up until the input shaft of the cv shaft snapped inside the diff, causing me to lose reverse. When that happened I struck a deal on an e153 lsd trans.

oh true.. the e153 is probably the best bet in the long run.

im doing basically the same swap as manny (only with a FMIC) and im reusing my stock s54 tranny withhhhh 205k on it .. it drives and shifts pretty clean, u think it will hold with the mileage?

It'll hold mine, had 215,000 until it went due to the broken axle.

[presure2]

Soooo RHD conversion??

DEFINETLY NOT.
all those parts are for sale, like SUPER cheap.
i just want someone to come get them out of my garage. lol
got most of the frame rails cut off last night, and all the dash parts off and basicly got it down to the bare firewall.
didnt take pics while we were doing it, ill go out in a bit and get some pics of the carnage. lol

when we got the clip, the intercooler and stuff on top of the motor seemed to have this weird "film" on it, almost textured, that seemed to trap most of the dust and dirt that is visable on the motor.
i took a little lacquer thinner to a corner of the IC, and it started comming off, it almost seems like the previous owner may have attempted to spray some kind of clear coat over things, but very poorly.
once i started wiping it off, the intercooler REALLY started to come back to life.
a quick pic i snapped last night of the results ( you can see the film on the entry neck of the IC still):



yummy!

for you guys that may see this, and are looking for RHD parts, be on the lookout for a for sale thread soon, i have the FULL dash minus the CC unit, and full front SS suspension and steering rack, excluding brakes and of course all the RHD firewall stuff.

cameron, start your own thread for your questions about your swap. but since the thread jack is already on:
the S54 will be just fine, provided its in good shape when you start, and your not bangin gears like your a race car driver, and launching it at every stop light like your racing NHRA.
my tranny has been taking a beating at close to and over 300hp for just about 5 years now, and art (lagos) has been on his stock tranny for longer than that.

[pipes]

do u have the dash harness?

[block]

im hoping to get something like this done but it's harder and harder to find a clean celica how hard is this going to be? 2nd and 3rd gen basically the same, installation-wise?

[presure2]

im hoping to get something like this done but it's harder and harder to find a clean celica how hard is this going to be? 2nd and 3rd gen basically the same, installation-wise?

IMO a 3rd gen is an easier swap, cause there is less wiring.
the basic mechanical parts of the swap are the same as any other swap.

[Ted95]

Soooo RHD conversion??

DEFINETLY NOT.
all those parts are for sale, like SUPER cheap.
i just want someone to come get them out of my garage. lol
got most of the frame rails cut off last night, and all the dash parts off and basicly got it down to the bare firewall.
didnt take pics while we were doing it, ill go out in a bit and get some pics of the carnage. lol

when we got the clip, the intercooler and stuff on top of the motor seemed to have this weird "film" on it, almost textured, that seemed to trap most of the dust and dirt that is visable on the motor.
i took a little lacquer thinner to a corner of the IC, and it started comming off, it almost seems like the previous owner may have attempted to spray some kind of clear coat over things, but very poorly.
once i started wiping it off, the intercooler REALLY started to come back to life.
a quick pic i snapped last night of the results ( you can see the film on the entry neck of the IC still):



yummy!

for you guys that may see this, and are looking for RHD parts, be on the lookout for a for sale thread soon, i have the FULL dash minus the CC unit, and full front SS suspension and steering rack, excluding brakes and of course all the RHD firewall stuff.

cameron, start your own thread for your questions about your swap. but since the thread jack is already on:
the S54 will be just fine, provided its in good shape when you start, and your not bangin gears like your a race car driver, and launching it at every stop light like your racing NHRA.
my tranny has been taking a beating at close to and over 300hp for just about 5 years now, and art (lagos) has been on his stock tranny for longer than that.

wasnt trying to start a thread jack big guy but thanks for the tranny info. ill be starting my own thread soon, jus gotta get a few more things b4 i start strippin a few things down.
IC looks goood man! keep it up bro!

[RUNNIN-LOW]

OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow!!! wow!!! im glad to see what you are doing P! welcome to the gen3 family! sorry been missing for so long..as for the s54 tranny it will hold up to the stock power..i think i even liked it more, it feels so much lighter and you can feel the power to the ground when you push it..the e153 is just too heavy but thats just me...

keep us updated P! Yahs! just blowing people away!

[presure2]

so heres some pics of the progress since the last post.

after removing the dash and whatnot:



after cutting back the frame rails:



after cutting out the firewall (no, i didnt drill out the welds, leave that for the guy who buys it! lol)



floor and door pillars:



cut in half for easy transportation:



now i gotta get rid of all the scrap, clean up the garage, and start prepping the motor! WOOT

[SwissFerdi]

That is one massacred ex-GT-4. At least its heart is going to the right place.

[presure2]

last night i spent ~1hr in the garage, things are still a mess, but we should be taking all the junk metal over to the scrappers today, so that will free up some space and allow me to actually start working on the motor.
i spent a little time cleaning up the blitz BOV that came on the clip, its not 100% done, and i am not planning on using it on this swap, but i wanted to see if it would shine back up, so that if i end up selling it, it looks good for the next guy who owns it.
its the blitz super sound, after googling for some vids of it, i actually like how it sounds.

before:



after:





also, steff ordered the cam gears for me, ((WOOOT thank you steff, i appreciate your help!!)) so they should arrive soon, and she also got the t-belt for me, so once the gears arrive, ill have some good pics ect of the timing belt side of the motor while i am doing my thing.

[6gtfour]

If the right side ac vent and the radio bezel are in good condition pm me a price for those I don't know if you have the shifter bezel if you do pm me a price for all 3 parts. been trying to get these in Right hand drive config for a while now

[Ted95]

wow that BOV cleaned up nice from what it was lol good work manny

[presure2]

this AM i wanna go out and start pulling some stuff off the motor, getting ready for the big push.
just a few more small things to order, and ill start getting it cleaned up and ready for the install in a few weeks.

[cjh4l22]

any chance you want to sell me that tag?

[presure2]

any chance you want to sell me that tag?

you mean the chassis tag? hellll no, thats going on the car.

[cjh4l22]

any chance you want to sell me that tag?

you mean the chassis tag? hellll no, thats going on the car.

damn lol
the chassis tags are like $50 on ebay and i really want one to go where the vacuum sticker was on my car prior to swapping it.

[presure2]

any chance you want to sell me that tag?

you mean the chassis tag? hellll no, thats going on the car.

damn lol
the chassis tags are like $50 on ebay and i really want one to go where the vacuum sticker was on my car prior to swapping it.

well, you could always buy a clip, like we did..lol they normally come with one.


steff is the best, today she bought by the timing belt, the ATS cam gears, PCV valve and alt. belt, and this past weekend, my hommie dustin bought by what was left of the gasket set he bought when he did his swap , so i have 99% of what i need to clean up the motor other than a valve cover gasket which is being ordered this week.
so, i went out and pulled the timing covers off and took the T-belt and gears off.
heres a few pics.

timing covers off..everything is very clean, as you would expect from a motor with 34,000 miles on it.



noticed the cam seals are starting to seep a little... lucky for me, i have em in the gasket kit!



original tensioner:



ATS cam gears:



10* of adjustment each way, advanced or retarted. ill play with these on the dyno for sure!



stay tuned!

[spolski07]

this thread is going to need a NSFW tag

[lagos]

Ohh so clean! I bet you're stoked to get this thing in there!

[Ted95]

lookin good my dude!

[CelicaZR]

Awesome Manny

[Black0nBlack94]

Not to get off task but Wow.....i feel like a kid on christmas eve. Im excited to read the rest of your build! Im envious of your knowledge. Also thanx for taking time out to post it so the rest of us can pick up a few new tricks.

[presure2]

Not to get off task but Wow.....i feel like a kid on christmas eve. Im excited to read the rest of your build! Im envious of your knowledge. Also thanx for taking time out to post it so the rest of us can pick up a few new tricks.

hey, no problem man, ...reading other peoples posts like mine, and getting out there and doing things (toyota manuals in hand!) is how i learned, and im happy to provide as much info as i can for the next guy learning the same way i did.
on that note, i went out this morning and took alot of the parts off that i want to clean up and or powdercoat, i have a few ideas on some things i want to do to try and clean up the look of the motor some, and the engine bay as well.

first off is the IAC (idle air controller) line.
my plan is to run a small filter directly off the IAC valve hose, to eliminate the air pipes associated with it, and the hose that normally runs to the intake piping, before the turbo. in doing so, i will also be eliminating a few other things as well.
the TVSV (turbo vacume switching valve) is basicly going to be usless on this car, its never going to be in use, so im planning to just remove it, by removing the valve itself, (unplugging it does not affect the car at all) and the hard airline that feeds on side if it.(which is normally capped when we install a boost controller) the other line from it feeds into the air hardline that is behind the intake manifold, which is a normal airsource that gets its feed from the IAC line, and feeds into one side of the powersteering idle up valve connected to power steering pump.
the other side of the PS pump idle up valve just goes up to the back of the intake manifold.
so, i will feed the PS idle up valve a filtered air source, and leave the other line that connects to the back of the intake manifold, and that way i will be able to remove all the hard air lines that normally connect to the side and back of the intake manifold.
i will also be removing the coolant lines that feed into the throttle body.
the 2 lines that feed the throttle body come from the waterneck, and water bypass lines, both under the distributor. i will loop the line from the waterneck, to the water bypass line, and eliminate the hardlines that go along the side of the head to the back and connect to the rubber lines that connect to the throttle body.
i will post pics later to show what exactly im talking about, but for now, anybody see anything potential problems with any of that?
you guys will have a good laugh when i post the pics of everything all bagged and tagged. i've been doing this stuff long enough now that i really dont NEED to do it (i basicly put jims car together out of a 5 gallon bucket of nuts and bolts..lol), but it definetly makes things alot easier when you go to put everything back together.
pics and more to come later!

[presure2]

ok so to follow up here are the pics of the stuff i talked about in the last post.

this first pic is the coolant line that runs from the water neck, to the coolant hardlines that bolt to the side of the intake manifold, which in turn feeds the throttle body.



this is the other line. it comes off the water bypass pipe that runs alongside the motor, under the waterneck and distributor.



this pic shows the hardlines that the coolant lines pictured above feed into. (its the silver lines)



next is the TVSV. in the pic below, you can see the TVSV, and the line im pointing to goes to the hardline that you normally cap off when you install a boostcontroller.



the other line goes to the air bypass hardline, which is why it dont have a clamp on it (it never sees boost)



and finally the airbypass hardline, which connects the air intake to the IAC.



thats part of the stuff i am eliminating, and will clean things up a bit in that area.
in the above picture, the line to the left is the one talked about above, and the one on the right goes accross the back of the motor, to feed the power steering idle up valve.



here is where the line connects to the valve. you can see how i marked the valve to show where the lines go:





the other line connects to the back of the intake manifold:





this is what it looks like with the other line removed:



once that was all set, i removed it all, then removed the intake manifold



ill shave off the stuff i dont need on the manifold, clean that and some other stuff up this weekend, and then send it all off to be powdercoated. luckily we have a guy who is right local to the house that does a good job for us.

then i pulled the turbo/manifold/DP off as one peice, i just disconnected the water lines for the turbo, disconnected the manifold/turbo braces, and the oil feed line from the block, moved the clamp on the return line, removed the bolts and pulled it off.



ill be doing the helper spring mod to help hold boost better as well.
more to come!

[Ted95]

looks good manny, but 2 things just to clarify. ur removing those lines completely from the back of the manifold? are they not neccesary for the swap or is it because you have another reason for doing so that i may have missed, i went back to a couple posts and i just want to understand that.

also if you could breifly explain a little about the helper spring, brentton mentioned the spring last night to me and i was curious about it. and i did read jims how to thread on it but still a lil confused on what it does.

This post has been edited by Ted95: May 8, 2010 - 5:15 PM

[presure2]

looks good manny, but 2 things just to clarify. ur removing those lines completely from the back of the manifold? are they not neccesary for the swap or is it because you have another reason for doing so that i may have missed, i went back to a couple posts and i just want to understand that.

also if you could breifly explain a little about the helper spring, brentton mentioned the spring last night to me and i was curious about it. and i did read jims how to thread on it but still a lil confused on what it does.

im removing the lines from the back of the manifold, except for the one that goes from the PS pump vsv to the intake manifold.
99% of swappers leave all that stuff. im just removing it cause i can.
ill cover the helper spring when i install it. ill prolly do that by next weekend.

[Ted95]

looks good manny, but 2 things just to clarify. ur removing those lines completely from the back of the manifold? are they not neccesary for the swap or is it because you have another reason for doing so that i may have missed, i went back to a couple posts and i just want to understand that.

also if you could breifly explain a little about the helper spring, brentton mentioned the spring last night to me and i was curious about it. and i did read jims how to thread on it but still a lil confused on what it does.

im removing the lines from the back of the manifold, except for the one that goes from the PS pump vsv to the intake manifold.
99% of swappers leave all that stuff. im just removing it cause i can.
ill cover the helper spring when i install it. ill prolly do that by next weekend.

oh ok cool, ill def read that write up when you post it.

but im going to do a wire tuck once im done with mine so i can remove those same lines as well and be ok ? (not trying to thread jack)

[alltracst185]

Thanks for the tranny today, the car looks great in person...keep up the good work and i look forward to seeing the finished product some day.

This post has been edited by alltracst185: May 9, 2010 - 12:09 AM

[presure2]

Thanks for the tranny today, the car looks great in person...keep up the good work and i look forward to seeing the finished product some day.

hey no problem man, glad it went to someone who will get good use out of it. cant wait to see your project finished as well!
keep an eye on the meet section for the colt state park meet, its always a good time to come out and hang out with fellow celica/mr2 owners.

today i spent some time in the garage cleaning up some parts for powdercoat.

here are some pics.

first the 2 waternecks.





then i went to work on the manifold...a few before pics:











now for the afters:

[Batman722]

sweeeeeet !

[presure2]

thanks D, its all stuff most people wont even notice, but it should definetly clean things up some.

should have most of the stuff back from the powdercoater tommorow.

ordered the valve cover gasket this AM, and the clear timing cover yesterday. the timing cover should be here saturday, as soon as it gets here ill get some pics of it.

[Ted95]

clear cover?? thats sickkkk manny cant wait to see that!

[Fate]

manny, the 3rd gen clear cover was made? is it the same dude from mr2oc that did the original 2nd gen? if so let me get that info so i can buy one haha

[_Jim_]

Clear upper timing cover

Clear Timing Cover, click here

[MGCustoms325]

Let me know how the fit is. I'm debating picking one up but Ive read mixed reviews about how fitment is in the mr2oc. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[presure2]

so i jumped the gun and ordered the clear cover, before i did the proper research, and boom, it bit me in the a$$.
it only fits 2nd gens.
so no go on the clear cover for now. once again, it pays to do the proper research.

on a good note, i started getting some stuff back from the coaters thursday and friday, here are a few pics of what i've gotten back so far, the rest should be done by early next week.

the intake manifold:





the 2 water necks:





throttle body stay and throttle cable bracket:

[Johnnyny]

so much shiny looks good sucks about the cover though....

[Fate]

looks good!

sidenote/ sorry to hear about the clear cover, i figured you knew something i didn't about 3rd gen covers being released. i check the thread on mr2oc once a week in hopes that a prototype is underway. soon enough they'll be released.

[presure2]

looks good!

sidenote/ sorry to hear about the clear cover, i figured you knew something i didn't about 3rd gen covers being released. i check the thread on mr2oc once a week in hopes that a prototype is underway. soon enough they'll be released.

yea, man, i was so totally awestruck by the coolness of the cover, that i read right over the part that said it fits all gen II 3sgtes...all i saw was fits all gen 3sgtes..lol
i will say this tho, i ordered it monday morning, it shipped the same day, and arrived here this morning VIA fed ex.
i emailed robert this morning at 5:30am, about returning it, and by 8am i had a response from him explaining it was no problem at all and he would refund my money without issue once he receives the cover back.
great guy to deal with, as soon as the 3rd gen cover comes out i will be ordering without hesitation.

anyway, got more clean up done on the motor, will get some pics posted up later on, things are starting to look goooooood!

i'd like to smack the guy (or girl) who owned this engine. im not sure exactly what it is, but he (or she) sprayed everything down with some kind of clearcoat, that didnt do much other than attract dirt and make things harder to get clean. lol

[presure2]

more progress pics from this morning, painted the block, powersteering pump and bracket, waterpump housing, crank pully, and oil dipstick pipe

back of the block





crank pully



front of the block



water pump housing

[Ted95]

soo clean manny, looks great. cant wait to see this bad larry go in!

[presure2]

soo clean manny, looks great. cant wait to see this bad larry go in!

thanks, cam, trust me, i cant wait either...lol im trying to be as paitent as possible. haha

so after some deliberation with my team (AKA the wifey and dustin and steff) and looking over things carefully, i've decided to partially unwrap the harness, and re-route it to enter the firewall in the stock LHD location.
so far, i have ~25 wires that will need to be extended, for the DLC, ignitor and coil, IAT (the one in the airbox), reverse light switch, and possibly the speed sensor.
ill get some good pics later and try and make some sense of how it goes down for you guys.
one disclamer i wanna throw out there right now, before i go any further with it.
do not ask me to do your harness work for you, the answer is no. i dont have time for it, and cant charge what this kind of work should cost, so i just wont do it.
and no, i wont walk you thru it, step by step, explaining what wires need to be extended ect. if you cant figure it out by looking at the pics i will post, and looking at your own harness, then figuring the rest out, you shouldnt be touching it anyway. just cut a hole, like most swappers do, and be done with it. it works and its proven.
sorry for the rant, but i get enough of those exact kind of pm's everyday. lol
more to come this afternoon.

[Johnnyny]

soo clean manny, looks great. cant wait to see this bad larry go in!

thanks, cam, trust me, i cant wait either...lol im trying to be as paitent as possible. haha

so after some deliberation with my team (AKA the wifey and dustin and steff) and looking over things carefully, i've decided to partially unwrap the harness, and re-route it to enter the firewall in the stock LHD location.
so far, i have ~25 wires that will need to be extended, for the DLC, ignitor and coil, IAT (the one in the airbox), reverse light switch, and possibly the speed sensor.
ill get some good pics later and try and make some sense of how it goes down for you guys.
one disclamer i wanna throw out there right now, before i go any further with it.
do not ask me to do your harness work for you, the answer is no. i dont have time for it, and cant charge what this kind of work should cost, so i just wont do it.
and no, i wont walk you thru it, step by step, explaining what wires need to be extended ect. if you cant figure it out by looking at the pics i will post, and looking at your own harness, then figuring the rest out, you shouldnt be touching it anyway. just cut a hole, like most swappers do, and be done with it. it works and its proven.
sorry for the rant, but i get enough of those exact kind of pm's everyday. lol
more to come this afternoon.

well i deff wanna see pics and many if possible please....

This post has been edited by Johnnyny: May 16, 2010 - 6:32 PM

[Ted95]

soo clean manny, looks great. cant wait to see this bad larry go in!

thanks, cam, trust me, i cant wait either...lol im trying to be as paitent as possible. haha

ya man i bet, i have to b alot more patient bc i dont have all my parts yet lol but i scored on a cut out off a kid in FR for ~125 vs ~200 brand new .. it was used for liek a week apparently.

and GOOD LUCK WITH THE HARNESS! ur a brave man lol im just cuttin a whole in the wall screw that haha

[presure2]

so after further investigation, and starting to pull the harness apart, i decided to modify how it normally runs, and cut the hole in the firewall like we've done before.
by modifying the harness, i only have to extend the 20 or so wires i have already marked, and will actually look cleaner than stock in the end.

[presure2]

so here are some pics of the harness work im doing.

first a pic of the throttle body painted.



here is where 99% of the work is with the harness. you can see the way the harness is set up for a RHD car, with the boot that goes into the firewall on the left side of the pic. this is where i have alot of wires already taped and ready to be cut in this pic, the big bunch of taped up wires is for the ignitor and coil, and diagnostics box:



in the middle of this pic, where you see the blue plug (that is the turbo VSV plug, and the speed sensor plug near it) is where the harness will route thru now, to go behind the motor into the firewall:



in this pic you can see how a few wires from the resistor pack and IAT that goes in the airbox go each way along the harness, that is why i have to extend those as well.:



this pic shows the diagnostics box. the only wire from it i didnt have to extend is the green wire you can see going twoard the right of the pic.:




this one shows the ignitor and coil and how the wires run for those:



im also going to have to extend the reverse light switch wires.
ill take a few more pics in a little while of what the harness is starting to look like.
if i were into that sorta thing, this would be a nice way to start a wire tuck.

[lagos]

Love the powercoating and the clean install! This is how everyone should do a swap!

As for the harness work, I think most people dont have a clue as to how time consuming of a job it is. Its one thing to see a few pics on the net and its another thing to actually unwrap the harness and rewire everything. Huge props for putting in all the work Manny!

[presure2]

Love the powercoating and the clean install! This is how everyone should do a swap!

As for the harness work, I think most people dont have a clue as to how time consuming of a job it is. Its one thing to see a few pics on the net and its another thing to actually unwrap the harness and rewire everything. Huge props for putting in all the work Manny!

thanks art, i appreciate it.
your totally right about the harness work (i know you've been there!! lol) its definetly a tedious, slow going kinda thing, especially with the way i like to solder everything in.

a few more pics.

this shows the basic idea of how the harness will go:



another view:



since i had an old 5s harness laying around, i pulled it apart, and was able to get matching wire colors and all.

here is how i like to solder my joints together.
first, i interlock the 2 wires, so that it makes a nice solid mechanical connection
step 1:



step 2:



step 3:



then i heat the joint with the soldering pen:



then add just enough solder to complete the electrical connection:



and finish it off with a peice of heat shrink tubing:



hurrayyy! only another 10 or so more wires to go, i ran out of heat shrink tubing..lol

went over to the local ace and got some more, ill prolly finish up tommorow or thursday, and rewrap it up this weekend.

[Stambo]

I dont know about you manny but i love to solder once your done and everything looks clean. Its something to be proud of.

Your gonna be done with this swap before me!

[richee3]

Wow, I bet that wiring takes forever to do.. It's so clean though. Props.

[presure2]

I dont know about you manny but i love to solder once your done and everything looks clean. Its something to be proud of.

Your gonna be done with this swap before me!

Wow, I bet that wiring takes forever to do.. It's so clean though. Props.

i do enjoy soldering, it just takes time.
thanks.

i took a break from the wiring today (mostly cause i didnt have time to sit down and mess with it) so i just cleaned up the wastegate actuator, and installed the helper spring to help hold boost more consistantly.
i went over to ace, and bought a couple of springs, but in the end, i ended up using one i had around the garage.
i used a bike tire pump, and checked the wastegate actuator, to see when it started to crack the wastegate open without the spring, then messed with the tension and free length of the spring to get the wastegate to start to upen ~12 or so psi, and its fully open ~16psi, which should be perfect for what i want.
once it was all set up, i took it off, and sprayed it.
a couple of pics.

[Ted95]

looks sweeet manny, you use regular paint for that or does it require high heat? .. srry if its a noob question.. lol

[presure2]

looks sweeet manny, you use regular paint for that or does it require high heat? .. srry if its a noob question.. lol

I did use high temp paint on the actuator, kinda as a "basecoat", then a couple light coats of normal stuff to get the same color as the other stuff I painted.

[Rusty]

wow, I have to say that is very tidy example of extending the wiring harness

[Ted95]

looks sweeet manny, you use regular paint for that or does it require high heat? .. srry if its a noob question.. lol

I did use high temp paint on the actuator, kinda as a "basecoat", then a couple light coats of normal stuff to get the same color as the other stuff I painted.

ahh icic, makes sense. now since you used the high temp as basically a basecoat it should prevent the regular paint from burning off right? (in theory)

[presure2]

looks sweeet manny, you use regular paint for that or does it require high heat? .. srry if its a noob question.. lol

I did use high temp paint on the actuator, kinda as a "basecoat", then a couple light coats of normal stuff to get the same color as the other stuff I painted.

ahh icic, makes sense. now since you used the high temp as basically a basecoat it should prevent the regular paint from burning off right? (in theory)

That's what I'm hoping for.... I dunno how well it's gonna work, but we'll find out!!

[Ted95]

looks sweeet manny, you use regular paint for that or does it require high heat? .. srry if its a noob question.. lol

I did use high temp paint on the actuator, kinda as a "basecoat", then a couple light coats of normal stuff to get the same color as the other stuff I painted.

ahh icic, makes sense. now since you used the high temp as basically a basecoat it should prevent the regular paint from burning off right? (in theory)

That's what I'm hoping for.... I dunno how well it's gonna work, but we'll find out!!

haha time will tell my dude! someones gotta try, why not you lol

[presure2]

so i got the valve cover back from powercoating the other day.
because i didnt prep it properly, it came out pretty bad.
i didnt want to sandblast it, because the media gets trapped behind the baffels under the cover, and the baffles are riveted into place, so i just cleaned it in the parts washer, and didnt sand it.
so, im just going to sand it by hand, and prolly paint it.
havent worked in the garage for a couple days, gonna try and get a few things done this weekend.
more pics soon!

[rave2n]

I like how you named the Soldering pen correctly, most call it a gun, where it is definately not a gun.

I solder a good portion of my weekdays, and I can appreciate good work. That sir is fine work, if you want I got about 19 DB25 connectors to be made =)

Great progress though, fun to follow.

[presure2]

I like how you named the Soldering pen correctly, most call it a gun, where it is definately not a gun.

I solder a good portion of my weekdays, and I can appreciate good work. That sir is fine work, if you want I got about 19 DB25 connectors to be made =)

Great progress though, fun to follow.

yea, dad had an old fasioned, 2lb soldering "gun" that i used to destroy many a project back when i was a kid, gotta love these new butane soldering pens. much better suited to this kinda thing. lol
thanks for the compliment!

[OOBE]

Manny, my MR2 Gen3 engine brought that waterneck and I was afraid it was going to be too long. I guess they're the same for both the MR2 and the Celi. Good thing, because I painted it with VHT epoxy paint I bought at Pep Boys. That paint is awesome, man. For being rattle can paint, it lays on smoothly and doesn't have the signature rattle can paint finish. It dries quick, too. My mechanic dropped a socket on top of it 5 minutes after I painted it, and you won't believe it: It DENTED the waterneck...paint and all. The paint didn't come off. I was amazed. So much, that I painted my alternator too.



I got the Satin Black. Looks very professional, because it's not too glossy or matte. It's in between.

[presure2]

finished the harness this AM.
here are some pics.

[SwissFerdi]

I don't know much about wiring work, but that looks hella clean.

[OOBE]

[presure2]

LMAO!!!!!!
that's some good Shiz...
Got the rest of the powdercoat today.
Pics tommorow.

[95st-celica]

good stuff manny, looking really clean man, i give you props

lol..i love how rave2n called ya out on the soldering "pen" but didnt mention how you and art were calling it "powercoating" instead of "powdercoating"

haha growing up in a household of old heads you pick up on stuff like that, the swap is comming along nicely though, hopefully when your done with this we can meet up and take some pics/talk some car stuff...good work man

[lagos]

lol..i love how rave2n called ya out on the soldering "pen" but didnt mention how you and art were calling it "powercoating" instead of "powdercoating"

lol, clearly a type-o on both our parts. We see 3sgte and the word power just comes to mind!

[OOBE]

^

Waiting for updates, Manny!

[presure2]

painted the alternator, and distributor, and installed the alt bracket and intercooler mount bracket for a final fit check before i reinstall everything:











also installed the oil filter adapter for the oil pressure gauge.



im finally starting to hit the final curve, time to reinstall everything and get it ready to go in!! woot!

[Johnnyny]

looks good

This post has been edited by Johnnyny: May 25, 2010 - 10:56 PM

[Ted95]

sexxxyyyy!

[Batman722]

looking good man.

[presure2]

painted the valve cover, in my version of 8L5 to match the car.
i think it will add a nice finishing touch to the motor.