Demand for 7A-FE Turbo kits, Updated information Options

[Smaay]

I finished Erynn's car last night. havent had a chance to drive it yet. Ill take pictures tonight when i get it home. but it basically looks exactly like mine but a 7A-FE instead of the 5S-FE.

So here is the big question. how much demand is there for a turbo kit? I can re-produce this kit fairly easy. kit will include manifold with lifetime warrenty, Garrett turbo, intercooler, polished aluminium piping, BOV, FMU for fuel, and all fittings and lines for oil. the only thing that the end user will have to do is drop the small oil pan and have the bung welded into it.













This post has been edited by Smaay: Aug 27, 2010 - 8:46 AM

[SwissFerdi]

Well, I think demand will depend on price. I for one am still interested in doing a 7A-FTE setup, pending that I find all the parts at a reasonable price to make the expense worthwhile versus an engine swap.

So, in other words, sell a good kit and I'll buy it.

[Smaay]

price i was thinking was going to be in the 2500 range. Yes i know you can get a 3S-GTE for that price, but you still have to so all the fab work to install it. But it takes exactly 24 hours to build the kit, so for labor and parts, thats very resonable

[RvA944]

Well, I think demand will depend on price. I for one am still interested in doing a 7A-FTE setup, pending that I find all the parts at a reasonable price to make the expense worthwhile versus an engine swap.

So, in other words, sell a good kit and I'll buy it.

I've got a 7 and was thinking about a engine swap, but this might be even better. What kind of results are you expecting from adding the turbo?

I'd go for a turbo kit. +1

Best,

Roger

[cheela]

how much would it be pushing?

I know it's just a 7A but, numbers might sway some members.

[Chhaos]

I would definitely be up for one assuming the price isn't too bad. Would also have to see some numbers.

[Smaay]

of course ill get this baby dynoed sometime, but im expecting a 75+ HP increase. i still have to figure out the best management.

This post has been edited by Smaay: Jun 24, 2010 - 10:53 PM

[2celicas2love]

its done?!?!?! !!!!:D !!!! can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smaay]

well it looks like using the stock green top 5S-FE injectors work really well. im only making about 5 psi but it scoots. i also dropped in a 7th gen GT-S fuel pump. not sure if they are diferent. if i must then ill upgrade to a walboro 255

[SwissFerdi]

So those are stock injectors available on any USDM 5S-FE?

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Jun 25, 2010 - 7:29 PM

[2celicas2love]

O M G

[Smaay]

yes stock USDM 5S-FE injectors, well 97 GT i should say, i dont know if the camry has different ones or the 5th gen 5S-FE does

[presure2]

well it looks like using the stock green top 5S-FE injectors work really well. im only making about 5 psi but it scoots. i also dropped in a 7th gen GT-S fuel pump. not sure if they are diferent. if i must then ill upgrade to a walboro 255

5s injectors? arnt they only like 220cc? i would imagine those would really only work as a temporary thing.. they wont have much headroom above ~140-50whp. (im not a fan of higher than 1:1 FMU's)
i'd at least want some supra 315s in there, which are only good for ~190-200whp.
the smaller walbro would be a good choice for most 7a guys i would imagine.

looks good mang, but dont expect big sales from the 7a guys.
everyone says "im in!!" till they have to pony up. lol
what are the specs on the turbo?

[Smaay]

the turbo is a T3 super 60 with a 48 housing. free-revving it makes 3 lbs of boost. its very responsive. Thanks for the heads up on the Supra 310's are those the yello tops? right now there is no management, im using a checkvalve to fool the MAP sensor, and the A/Fs are actually in pretty good shape. going into boost its in the 12's and the more boost the lower they get.

[yarik83]

I second what pressure2 said. Yes everyone would not mind a turbo.. but then when you start mentioning that kit costs this much and it will be that much to install it.... people go from yeah to meh because most people here cant even afford to buy wiper blades on their cars. That is partly why so many people on this site do not have a turbo or engine swap done.

[SwissFerdi]

^ PessiRusski!

But yarly. I'd rather just source parts cheaply, like an older turbo with the possibility of being reman'd.

[Espo]

I would definitely be up for one assuming the price isn't too bad. Would also have to see some numbers.

This.

Plus possible installation instructions and I'm in when I have cash for it. I'd prefer to do it myself...learn something lol

[zonz540]

Id be interested in an exhaust manifold, if it wont break the bank... Other than that, id prob go along with presure2 and say that with the 5s injectors, youre not going to get much out of your setup. Its hardly worth $2500 to hit 150hp when you could source your own stuff and get close to 200, if not more.
And as for the Supra injectors, the yellow and black topped ones are low impedance, the lime green topped ones are high impedance. Youll need to make a resistor pack for the low impedance ones on a 7a.

[Smaay]

guys im not done yet. this is all still prototype. im sure ill get 200 HP out of this when im done. what year and model are the lime green?

[Smaay]

nevermind just looked it up, 7M-GE injectors. they are all over Ebay, so ill try a set of those. the only problem with getting bigger injectors is that need management for idle.

[presure2]

nevermind just looked it up, 7M-GE injectors. they are all over Ebay, so ill try a set of those. the only problem with getting bigger injectors is that need management for idle.

i think i still have a set of the lime top 315s from my early setup, if you want em.
i can understand why you'd be inclined to do it with the FMU and the 5s injectors to keep it simple and keep the price down, but IMO thats setting up for disaster for the kids who buy the kit and get a little testy with the boost. whats the rate on the FMU your using?
another way you could try it would be a 2 bar map, and say..290 or so cc injectors.
kinda like what the mr2 guys used to call the "magic triangle" (ct-26, 315cc injectors, 2 bar map, no tuning)
if you sized the turbo right, and found the right size injector for the 7a, that would be prolly cheaper in the long run, and more reliable.

on the good side, i like the way everything looks in the bay, im used to seeing steffs tiny T2052, so the T3 looks HUGE in comparison..lol looking at the wheel sizes, they looked to be matched decently well (60 trim compressor wheel, 68 trim exhaust wheel), so even though they are a on the larger side for a lower reving motor like the 7a, it should still be decently responsive.
get this thing strapped down to the rollers man!

[Smaay]

we did some more tweaking over the weekend. Pressure i do like your idea of the 315's and 3S-GTE MAP sensor. right now im testing teh waters back on the stock injectors and the FMU. the 5S-FE injectors ran a little too rich with the FMU (which is 12:1) the big difference is when i installed the walboro 255. it wasnt the volume that we were lacking but the pressure. once the pressure increased things started to look better. ill have more updates tonight.

[zonz540]

I have a few extra 315 cc injectors as well. Im looking to throw a T25 on my 7A here soon, but im waiting on an AEM FIC and an exhaust manifold. Keep us posted on the progress of the build. Im interested on how well itll run with the injectors and your trim of compressor wheel.

[Smaay]

well the stock 7A injectors are just waay too small. gonna try a few different ideas. will post updates soon

[zonz540]

I have a few extra 315 cc injectors as well. Im looking to throw a T25 on my 7A here soon, but im waiting on an AEM FIC and an exhaust manifold. Keep us posted on the progress of the build. Im interested on how well itll run with the injectors and your trim of compressor wheel.

Sorry, i meant the 315 cc's

[celica74]

Ive got the lime green tops in my car N/A (dont ask why, still having trouble putting turbo on). Once the 02s heat up idea isnt too bad with them in. Although you do get 26mpg highway, and 19 city. Once i get my manifold turbo will go on. Ill let you guys know.
And btw, I sourced all my parts, and ive barely spent more then 1200 so far, thats everything but a manifold

Idle**

[zonz540]

Big difference in mileage...

[celica74]

yea, stock is 34, 28. but thats what i get for going from 180cc to 315cc injectors. just got my manifold ordered. Once i get it i have to go some welding for wastegate and o2 senser. Then putting everything on and the mpg should be about the same or a little better. Im wondering what i should do for tuning. I dont wanna spend $400 for a stand alone like the emanage.

[zonz540]

I found an AEM F/IC for $200 locally. I hear they do the job well. You can get them for ~$300 on ebay.
Have you considered a wideband? That would also help you to know where you stand with those injectors and the rest of the kit.

[Smaay]

yes i highly recommend the AEM UEGO

[celica74]

Ill have to look into it. This is the first time ive ever touched a turbo, and pretty much the first time ive started messing with fuel. So i guess i have to do a little research other then reading peoples threads. Ill look into it. I know i need a wideband, reason i didnt get one around is there expensive and funds are very slim, and people on here never seem to use them. Ill also have to look further into that, and maybe a 2bar map sensor as well.

[zonz540]

Theyre only $170 if you find the right source. Itll save you a lot of hassles when youre trying to tune your car. Paying for a shop to tune it can get to be expensive. Although, you could see if you could hook up with Dr. Tweak. Hes within a couple of hours from you and has done some amazing things with Celis. Hed prob get you a decent price and a perfectly tuned 7AFTE.

[Giel-celica]

Will this turbo kit also fit to a european 7afe?
I know for example the european 7a doesn't have egr and has a different exhaust manifold (it has no catalyser) it's only got a cat under the car.

[celica74]

The bolt patern should be the same, think about it, two different paterns would cost toyota money. As far as the cat, your version should just have a down pipe instead of the cat into the cat under the car. Should be the same thing. Cant imagin toyota wasting money like that to have two different heads.

[Smaay]

yeah im 99% sure it will fit.

[Smaay]

well i put on the green injectors and only 3 of the 6 work i sent PMs to the parties that offered some. so update will be posted once i get it running

[Stener]

Hey guys, I'm new to this forum. Found the forum using google trying to find parts for my 7A-FE engine

I found this thread very interesting, As i'm also thinking of turbocharging my 1.8 liter engine.

What are done to the engine? Compression-ratio lowered or new rods or anything like that? If i'm gonna turbocharge my engine i don't feel like putting a whole lot of work in it since it's my going-to-work car.
Never heard anything about how strong 7A-FE engines are, I'm thinking about 200-250HP and the car is a Carina E wagon
Got any pic on only the exhaust manifold?

[Smaay]

Update: So i managed to get a set of injectors out of an older MKIII Supra (yellow top 295cc injectors) manny i still want yours, everythign is running pretty smooth! im out test driving, making about 5psi and then fwwapp, the turbo shelled itself so im ordering a new one today, no more off the shelf turbos, im gettign a new one from now on.

to Stener: 200HP should be fairly easy on a stock block. 250 might be pushing it but i dont know enough about the strength of teh internals. i can tell you this, the 1ZZ-FE rods in the MR2 and 7th gen celica can handle 350 HP and the the 7A rods are much beefier. the pistons also look to be a bit stronger, so take that for what its worth.

[conus00]

Well, I think demand will depend on price. I for one am still interested in doing a 7A-FTE setup, pending that I find all the parts at a reasonable price to make the expense worthwhile versus an engine swap.

So, in other words, sell a good kit and I'll buy it.

+1

[celica74]

Arent the green tops alot easier to find?

[Smaay]

yeah i believe the green tops are easier to find. i never even heard of yellow tops untill i searched them. oh one more thing, the yellow tops need to have the side ribs grounded down, they are not 100% P&P. just file the side ribs down and the plug will snap on just fine

[Stener]

to Stener: 200HP should be fairly easy on a stock block. 250 might be pushing it but i dont know enough about the strength of teh internals. i can tell you this, the 1ZZ-FE rods in the MR2 and 7th gen celica can handle 350 HP and the the 7A rods are much beefier. the pistons also look to be a bit stronger, so take that for what its worth.

Alright, thanks. I've been turbocharging alot of Volvos but never on a Toyota so i have no clue how the internal components will react to this! I wanna be on the safe-side since this is my everyday car that i go to the store, work with etc. I'm thinking of using stock air-intake and stock engine including head with original camshafts and all that, And just weld my own twin-entry turbo exhaust manifold and boosting through a intercooler. And i'll probably put in a MegaSquirt unless there's a good chip or something to control the fuel with that doesn't cost a fortune. I don't know what ECU that's stock in these even.

And how much boost you think i could run with without wearing out the engine?

My english might not be the best, I'm a swede!

[Smaay]

Stener, If this setup works out then you dont need any ECU. using the Supra injectors (315 or 295) and the 3S-GTE gen 2 MAP sensor, this is a happy combination. i dont see any reason this setup will hurt your engine.

[Stener]

Alright. The standard ECU can adjust the amount of fuel needed by the MAP signal without any modifications? Is there a MAP sensor standard that i just need to replace?

I really appreciate the help, I'm totally novice when it comes to Toyota

[Smaay]

yes the 3S-GTE MAP sensor in the MR2 or ST185 All-Trac

[Stener]

Thanks. Does it matter which generation it comes from?

I'll be checking around on scrapyards for a MAP sensor first of all

Where did you get the oil to the turbo from? Is there an oil pressure sensor convenient that i can remove and put a "T" on and use it to get oil to the turbo aswell?
I'll lower down the oil pan and weld an oil return asap.

This post has been edited by Stener: Aug 19, 2010 - 4:01 PM

[jeffrosie]

Smaay, does this apply to the 3/5SFE too?
Just a 3SGTE map sensor and Supra 315 injectors with the std ECU running std 3SGTE actuator pressure - 7-8psi??

[Smaay]

the oil pressure sensor is the best place. its right under the thermostat housing. put the T on there and 18" -3 line will work perfectly. look at the pictures. its a 2nd gen 3S-GTE MAP sesnor

[Giel-celica]

@ Stener do you know the 7a in the Carina E is a leanburn engine?
It has the leanburn system between the head and inlet manifold.

Don't know if this is a problem if you're gonna turbo it because the 7a in the Carina E is designed to run lean all the time.

[Stener]

@ Stener do you know the 7a in the Carina E is a leanburn engine?
It has the leanburn system between the head and inlet manifold.

Don't know if this is a problem if you're gonna turbo it because the 7a in the Carina E is designed to run lean all the time.

Yea the lean burn system will probably screw that up, I guess it's in the ECU software aswell to run in lean burn mode so i might need to get a box from another car with the same engine management system but without lean burn and remove all components linked to lean burn. Or can you remove it completely by removing the physical components?

Thanks for all the tips and i apologize if i'm ruining your good thread!

[celica74]

i believe the oil pressure sending unit is under the alternator and just above and to the left of the oil filter.

[Smaay]

i believe the oil pressure sending unit is under the alternator and just above and to the left of the oil filter.

yes, my bad i got mixed, the thermostat is on the water neck, look at this pic, its where the hole in the block is


This post has been edited by Smaay: Aug 24, 2010 - 7:55 PM

[Stener]

Alright, Great pic. Thanks for that.

I mixed up my engine, It was a 4A-FE, But they are basiclly the same right?
Also i heard some people making a mix between 7A engines and the 4A-GZE engines.

Anyone got more info on that? I guess they take the complete block from the 4A-GZE and the head from 7A-FE? The lowered compression and better pistons would make it alot easier.

And i guess it got better connecting rods, crankshaft etc? Since the 7A/4A-FE is a economy engine and everything is lightweight it probably won't hold for much pressure.

[Smaay]

no they actually go the other way. its the GZE head that they install on the 7A block

[Smaay]

Well i finished the car last night. Let me tell you, its fun to drive. it has a very constant torque and pulls all the way to 7000 RPM. the setup that is final is this, pay attention

My custom manifold
Garrett T3 super 60 turbo
polished aluminium pipes
Type RS BOV

ok thats the kit, now for the nitty gritty

Injectors used are the YELLOW 7M-GE 295cc injectors http://www.lextreme.com/7mge.html

Tuning im using a special built Split Second box. Now this is the cool part. the SS box has its own MAP sensor in it, so im using that and just feeding that signal back into the ECU. so you dont have to buy a 2BAR MAP sensor. If i produce this kit, then it will come with this SS box with the tune in it already. It will be the same tune for the green top injectors also

There are no other parts that i can think of necessary. however i highly recommend a better exhaust. the downpipe is plummed right into the stock exhaust so its pretty restrictive.

Ill post more pics tonight

[Smaay]

more pics

[Stener]

Nice I'm interested in that SS box you talking about, I guess it's a piggy back system. How is it to tune?

Thinking if it would be easier to connect a SS box or use a MegaSquirt instead.

[Smaay]

i have never used a mega squirt but i know it can be powerful. the Split Second is very easy to tune with. im not good at escribing it, but im sure you can google it and get an idea. the software for it is called the R4

[2celicas2love]

my 2 cents bc its my car: the difference is amazing, it's not the same car, literally. The power gain is very impressive. I will be getting a dyno after we change out the clutch and upgrade the down pipe on the exhaust. I am so happy with my car, I still can't believe that my 7a is performing like this.

[presure2]

my 2 cents bc its my car: the difference is amazing, it's not the same car, literally. The power gain is very impressive. I will be getting a dyno after we change out the clutch and upgrade the down pipe on the exhaust. I am so happy with my car, I still can't believe that my 7a is performing like this.

Awesome!
cant wait to see the results!

[stephen_lee]

interested depending on price

[Smaay]

its going to be between 1800 and 2000. this will include the complete kit.
turbo, manifold, intercooler, pipes, clamps, couplers, oil lines, fittings, downpipe to stock exhaust, injectors and the SS box with a tune in it.

This post has been edited by Smaay: Aug 29, 2010 - 5:08 PM

[DarkLupus]

its going to be between 1800 and 2000. this will include the complete kit.
turbo, manifold, intercooler, pipes, clamps, couplers, oil lines, fittings, downpipe to stock exhaust, injectors and the SS box with a tune in it.

And i would buy it at that price np im looking for a nice cool 200hp DD with other mods of course hoping maybe what? 75-90hp from your kit or no?

[Smaay]

im expecting a 100HP increase

[xIIscrapsIIx]

Do you offer lay away? J/k... When are you going to start producing these kits?

[Smaay]

sorry i cant offer lay away. i dont want to hold someones money. i can make the kit whenever someone is ready to get one. im hoping Erynn can get on the dyno soon

[celica74]

what oil lines did you use? i need to know exactly where, size, and everything. Having trouble with mine. hopefully it will help out alot

[fenril007]

sorry i cant offer lay away. i dont want to hold someones money. i can make the kit whenever someone is ready to get one. im hoping Erynn can get on the dyno soon

what is the price???

[95celicastLSR]

sorry i cant offer lay away. i dont want to hold someones money. i can make the kit whenever someone is ready to get one. im hoping Erynn can get on the dyno soon

what is the price???

so far he has said 2grand give or take a few hundred.

[Smaay]

yep right around 2100.

as for the oil line, i used an 18" -3 line off an adapter at the oil pressure sensor under the thermostat. then the best place for the return is drill a hol into the bung in the bottom of the block right above the oil pan. going into the pan is a little too low and seems to cause a small oil leak. you also need a restrictor for the oil feed because the 7A seems to have really high oil pressure

[celica74]

smaay, haha, again, the oil pressure sending unit is between the alternator and oil filter buddy! ha. but thank you for the information

[Smaay]

yeah yeah, you are right, i was close though

[SupraKid]

Jeff...ill be honest with you.IN my opinion No one is going to be a Guinea pig and buy this kit at that price..I mean Full 3sgte swaps can be had for that cost if you know the right people!!And for 7afe guys the 4ag(z)e is much more reliable and around the same power for under that cost!

[celica74]

yeah yeah, you are right, i was close though

No you werent haha, thats on the other side of the motor haha.

[GriffGirl]

Jeff...ill be honest with you.IN my opinion No one is going to be a Guinea pig and buy this kit at that price..I mean Full 3sgte swaps can be had for that cost if you know the right people!!And for 7afe guys the 4ag(z)e is much more reliable and around the same power for under that cost!

No one's being a guinea pig, Erynn already covered that & the results are tested & true. I'll kick in my 2¢ on it, for that matter, especially being an ST owner - I drove her car over Labor Day weekend when I went down for a visit, and it's freakin' AWESOME. The work Jeff did on it is top notch; he's an engineer by profession, and knows what he's doing. He's got the awards on his wall to prove it, too. Erynn's car looks like hell on the outside ( sorry, Erynn but you know I'm not saying anything you don't already know! LOL) but it pulls GREAT and is a really fun ride. It's EXACTLY what I would expect out of a turbo 7A - you're not going to pull HUGE numbers on a stock block, and as a daily driver, it's a HIGHLY feasible modification to make your every day drive that much more enjoyable.

A full 3S-GTE can NOT be had for that cost, unless you score big on the engine. Once you account for incidentals, harness, etc, you're looking at a minimum of 3k. And for us ST owners, it's way more than that, because then you're talking about axles, tranny, etc. So that's a poor analogy.

4a-gze isn't "much more reliable" either, sorry, and nor can it be had for under that cost with the same power. Superchargers are NOTORIOUS for going out, I'd hazard to say much more so than turbines. You're looking at about 160-180 HP depending on which generation you get, and even with that, good luck finding one domestically. I've researched the HELL out of this, and I'd say that a 4a-gze swap into an ST is going to run *about* the same amount. So really, it comes down to a matter of personal preference. Do you want to drop in a 4a-gze for about 180 HP w/out modifications, or do you want to turbo the 7A and get about 200-215 HP off the bat? Then you start getting into HP potential (and more money) for either route when you start looking at mods and upgrades.

[Smaay]

yeah yeah, you are right, i was close though

No you werent haha, thats on the other side of the motor haha.

no its not. its on the front exactly where i got the oil feed from

[celica74]

the thermostat is right below the distributor

[95celicastLSR]

quick question about the car you put this kit on... ur running the t3 super 60 trim right?? and also how much wheel spin are you getting ?? i guess im just trying to figure out just how fast/ quick the car is with around 200hp..

[SupraKid]

No offense to Erynn..but shes running one of the worst suspension setups possible for the 6gc (i would know i have it!) so im sure when she pops the clutch it spins a lot...a 200whp celica is veryyy quick as it weighs nothing compared to cars that come with 200whp stock (mustang GT,NA supras,ect)

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Oct 3, 2010 - 1:25 AM

[95celicastLSR]

No offense to Erynn..but shes running one of the worst suspension setups possible for the 6gc (i would know i have it!) so im sure when she pops the clutch it spins a lot...a 200whp celica is veryyy quick as it weighs nothing compared to cars that come with 200whp stock (mustang GT,NA supras,ect)

yeah i figured that... just was very curious as i am still planning on doing a full build and boost with the 7a... i figured 1st and 2nd gear would spin around 200hp but just wondering what right around 300hp will do ??? ......lol just thinking about boost gets me excited!! but i have to wait for income tax time to finish my build:(....... great work though smaay

[SupraKid]

You wont see 300whp with a 7afe...unless you put ungodly amounts of cash into it...If you have a good suspension,wide GOOD tires and know how to drive you could put the power down alright...

[95celicastLSR]

You wont see 300whp with a 7afe...unless you put ungodly amounts of cash into it...If you have a good suspension,wide GOOD tires and know how to drive you could put the power down alright...

im going to try to be the first to do it...i am doing a full build with forged internals and the whole 9 yards... i know people say you can not have that much or the engine can not take it but when u do the 7agte it proves the bottom end can handle over 300hp... i will be starting this after income tax returns as i need my rods and few odd and ends but the cams and head is where all the magic will be performed... when the time comes ill do a complete build and take pic's ... and after it is all done and said hopefully it opens the doors to others that want to build up the 7a.... yeah i agree suspension and good tires play a high role in traction...

[Smaay]

yeah i dont see any reason it cant be done, the head definatly needs some port work and upgrade the pistons, the rods actually i think can take it. the 7A rods are beefier than the 1ZZ rods which are toothpicks. we have made 300 on stock 1ZZ's all the time

[95celicastLSR]

yeah i dont see any reason it cant be done, the head definatly needs some port work and upgrade the pistons, the rods actually i think can take it. the 7A rods are beefier than the 1ZZ rods which are toothpicks. we have made 300 on stock 1ZZ's all the time

i have the forged pistons from wiseco all ready but i know the rods may hold that much but i know for sure the rod bolts wont be able to hold so i am getting paughter rods and there upgraded rod bolts ... so the bottom end will be built for 600+ hp but i will be more than happy with right around 300whp at high boost/race tune. the head as far as it goes i plan on getting custom cams along with a stg 3 head port and all....most of the parts i have for anybody thinking about doing the same is from importperformanceparts.net which you can order just the HP rebuild kit with toga racing bearings and copper head gasket and pro topline gaskets and most importantly the custom forged pistons with any comp/bore size for just above 1000.00$..

[Smaay]

dont and i repeat, dont use a copper head gasket! you need to have the block and head machined (ringed) for the gasket. its not worth it IMO. the newer OEM gaskets are metal and work just fine. Im making over 500HP on a stock head gasket



This post has been edited by Smaay: Nov 17, 2010 - 1:02 PM

[2celicas2love]

Jeff...ill be honest with you.IN my opinion No one is going to be a Guinea pig and buy this kit at that price..I mean Full 3sgte swaps can be had for that cost if you know the right people!!And for 7afe guys the 4ag(z)e is much more reliable and around the same power for under that cost!

No one's being a guinea pig, Erynn already covered that & the results are tested & true. I'll kick in my 2¢ on it, for that matter, especially being an ST owner - I drove her car over Labor Day weekend when I went down for a visit, and it's freakin' AWESOME. The work Jeff did on it is top notch; he's an engineer by profession, and knows what he's doing. He's got the awards on his wall to prove it, too. Erynn's car looks like hell on the outside ( sorry, Erynn but you know I'm not saying anything you don't already know! LOL) but it pulls GREAT and is a really fun ride. It's EXACTLY what I would expect out of a turbo 7A - you're not going to pull HUGE numbers on a stock block, and as a daily driver, it's a HIGHLY feasible modification to make your every day drive that much more enjoyable.

A full 3S-GTE can NOT be had for that cost, unless you score big on the engine. Once you account for incidentals, harness, etc, you're looking at a minimum of 3k. And for us ST owners, it's way more than that, because then you're talking about axles, tranny, etc. So that's a poor analogy.

4a-gze isn't "much more reliable" either, sorry, and nor can it be had for under that cost with the same power. Superchargers are NOTORIOUS for going out, I'd hazard to say much more so than turbines. You're looking at about 160-180 HP depending on which generation you get, and even with that, good luck finding one domestically. I've researched the HELL out of this, and I'd say that a 4a-gze swap into an ST is going to run *about* the same amount. So really, it comes down to a matter of personal preference. Do you want to drop in a 4a-gze for about 180 HP w/out modifications, or do you want to turbo the 7A and get about 200-215 HP off the bat? Then you start getting into HP potential (and more money) for either route when you start looking at mods and upgrades.

Thanks Michelle, you summed it up for everyone, and yes it does look like hell I cannot deny that! It's a work in progress paint... someday.. .lol

[95celicastLSR]

quick question smaay... aftermarket injectors on the 7afe stock fuel rail... i know they have to be high imped... but as far as brands and size will most of them fit wiith out a problem ???? was planning on RC's 440cc-550cc....... thnx Lance

This post has been edited by 95celicastLSR: Dec 10, 2010 - 9:13 PM

[Smaay]

yes they need to be high impeadance, RCs might work i never checked to see if they will fit on the head. Im using Supra 7M-GE in Erynns car, im using 460 RX7 injectors in my car. those will be much cheaper than new ones and they work!

[95celicastLSR]

yes they need to be high impeadance, RCs might work i never checked to see if they will fit on the head. Im using Supra 7M-GE in Erynns car, im using 460 RX7 injectors in my car. those will be much cheaper than new ones and they work!

i see well i know im going to need at least 440 so i may look into some 460rx7 injectors... now does it matter what gen of rx7 ? now u say u have them on ur car right which turbo are u running/boost... i was going to go with turbonetics super 60 ..

[Smaay]

look in Pressure2 thread, he lists the part number for the injectors, i believe they are FC non turbo, not FD injectors. im using the stock 3S-GTE turbo system right now, but im upgrading it to the same turbo on the 7A kit. its a Garrett super 60. i have plenty of injectors so those will be fine. if you are looking to turbo your 5S, stand by cause my kit will be coming real soon.

[95celicastLSR]

look in Pressure2 thread, he lists the part number for the injectors, i believe they are FC non turbo, not FD injectors. im using the stock 3S-GTE turbo system right now, but im upgrading it to the same turbo on the 7A kit. its a Garrett super 60. i have plenty of injectors so those will be fine. if you are looking to turbo your 5S, stand by cause my kit will be coming real soon.

okay thanks ill check it out and i have a 7afe and dont really need anything other than injectors and intercooler/pipe.. and of course the AEM F/i* cntlr.. if u dont sell the kit as a whole maybe ill try to get the intercooler /pipe if ur selling it ... but thanx for the help

[Smaay]

im using a split second for management now, im not a fan of the FIC anymore. it doesnt work well on toyotas

[keison2000]

I wish my car was out there for you to turbo... What I would like to know is if you're willing to send me your setup so that I can install it myself....

I finished Erynn's car last night. havent had a chance to drive it yet. Ill take pictures tonight when i get it home. but it basically looks exactly like mine but a 7A-FE instead of the 5S-FE.

So here is the big question. how much demand is there for a turbo kit? I can re-produce this kit fairly easy. kit will include manifold with lifetime warrenty, Garrett turbo, intercooler, polished aluminium piping, BOV, FMU for fuel, and all fittings and lines for oil. the only thing that the end user will have to do is drop the small oil pan and have the bung welded into it.

[Smaay]

I wish my car was out there for you to turbo... What I would like to know is if you're willing to send me your setup so that I can install it myself....

yes thats the purpose of this thread, i can duplicate this kit very easily

[95celicastLSR]

im using a split second for management now, im not a fan of the FIC anymore. it doesnt work well on toyotas

really that sucks cause i have heard alot of good from them and also seen on here somewhere about at 4000rmp the stock ecu was fighting the FIc really hard but just had to do some trick with a resistor or something .... lol i dont remember .... where do u get that split second kit at ??? so i can look up info myself.. thnx

[keison2000]

I wish my car was out there for you to turbo... What I would like to know is if you're willing to send me your setup so that I can install it myself....

yes thats the purpose of this thread, i can duplicate this kit very easily

yeah, I think I'm up for this. I was going to do a 1mzfe swap, but with my insurance I would risk putting all that money into it for nothing. I saw $2500 somewhere in the thread is that what you are asking for your setup...

[Smaay]

yes about 2500 for the kit plus shipping which will be about 150.

as for the risistor in the FIC, i had to do the same thing, its making a filter across some of the signals. Toyota signals are very dirty and the FIC sees that noise as impulses and it confuses it. the Split Second in Erynns car is working awsesome

[diegohiga]

I have a question.. i already got all this.. I know im missing the turbo obviously....what else? walbro fuel pump? oil catch can?

where would be a good place to buy the turbo? and do i need something else?

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE....

-440cc injectors
-pipping
-boost controller
-FMI

greddy BOV


hks turbo timer


turbo manifold


already made the hole for oil return line


gauges


and i have this microtech set up for a celica from Australia... but i dont know if i should use it..



This post has been edited by diegohiga: Dec 20, 2010 - 12:54 AM

[Smaay]

thats a log style manifold, if you have the piping to mach up with a specific turbo, then use that. my manifold is eaqual length and has much better flow

[diegohiga]

thats a log style manifold, if you have the piping to mach up with a specific turbo, then use that. my manifold is eaqual length and has much better flow

can i see a pic of your manifold? and how mcuh would be only the trubo from you? and waht turbo would it be?