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post Nov 22, 2003 - 11:32 AM
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what are the parts that are requried beside motor ,trans and ecu , and who would i talk to about the harness ,

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post Nov 22, 2003 - 2:02 PM
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I'd talk to Mike about the harness (Qatar). Probably axles, a new fuel pump (in tank), hrm.... There's lots more, but at the moment i cant think of it!!!! Talk to John (Mynzeyes), or head over to club4ag and ask some '?'s there. You can ask me, but i dont know Jack....... so yea..... I'm sure some1 else will post on this soon and help you out a bit more. Just so you know no one has successfully completed the 4agze swap into a 6gc. Tho it is very feasible, and applicable. So far John (Mynzeyes) is the furthest along with the swap, with the engine in and mounted, but he is having trouble getting it to start / run. (Electrical / harness problems). I know John needed to have his axles shortened and stuff to fit the proper length, so you'll probably need to do that too.
As for me, we havent even started yet. My mechanic doesnt want to pull the engine till we have a working harness. Which i'm waiting for Mike to finish up on. I am just going to use to the tranny out of a manual celi to make things easier (my engine & tranny didnt come w/ axles? (actually what did come w/ it was cut in half so wtf?)). That way i can use the stock axles from a celi, and my mechanic is pretty sure that the tranny & axles can take the power, i can always have stuff reinforced / strengthened.
So um yea, thats all i can think of for now. If you have specific ?'s just post em.

what model 4agze are you looking for btw?

I have an ae101 (1993)

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post Nov 22, 2003 - 5:51 PM
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as of now i am just looking into it i have found several st's that would work for pretty cheap , and i rather have a gt but to coslty and would rather have 4agze so for the price of the gt with low miles i can esly have the st with the 4agze plus the other stuff , cause dont wanna buy a car anot have money to spend on extras,thanks for the help
post Nov 22, 2003 - 6:27 PM
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I was running a 4AGZE in my ST for almost a month.

I've upgraded the Supercharger, Tuned the boost with an Overdrive Pulley (only got to 11PSI), Custom Intake, Custom 2.5" Exhaust, Tuned A/F Ration to perfection (we think at least) and that was pretty much it except for some other little minor modifications needed to run. Your lucky to be pushing 210HP/Crank with all that modification, and theres nothing really left to do. Your better off just Turboing the 4AGZE and making it a 4AGTE, you can run around 12-14PSI on that engine daily driver which is more HP/Crank than Supercharged, and you have more room for modification then too in the future.

Therefore, me being unhappy, i sold the swapped ST, bought a new ST (w/80k miles), and am now working on a Turbo Setup w/some help from some local board people. I'm going to haul-ass around town at 5-7PSI for a bit, fix some of the minor body damage and then begin to slowly rebuild the engine hopefully by the end of this winter.

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post Nov 23, 2003 - 2:53 AM
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dude u rule having the 4agze!!!!!! haha sorry felt i must say that......





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post Nov 23, 2003 - 8:35 PM
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um. jason. you told me you sold the clip...and the celica was sold w/ the stock motor and all the other crap you had, like the kit and system and all that? so which it? either way, i've noticed lately you've been contradicting yourself quite a bit...also, where's that integra now??


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post Nov 23, 2003 - 8:41 PM
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post Nov 23, 2003 - 8:46 PM
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QUOTE (OOBE @ Nov 23, 2003 - 7:41 PM)
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post Nov 24, 2003 - 12:40 AM
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I say he "declared shenanigans"

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QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Nov 23, 2003 - 6:35 PM)
um. jason. you told me you sold the clip...and the celica was sold w/ the stock motor and all the other crap you had, like the kit and system and all that? so which it? either way, i've noticed lately you've been contradicting yourself quite a bit...also, where's that integra now??

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QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Nov 23, 2003 - 8:35 PM)
um. jason. you told me you sold the clip...and the celica was sold w/ the stock motor and all the other crap you had, like the kit and system and all that? so which it? either way, i've noticed lately you've been contradicting yourself quite a bit...also, where's that integra now??

Didn't he say he decided to scrap his 4agze plans and get rid of the celica to get an s2000?
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QUOTE (Mage @ Nov 30, 2003 - 10:26 PM)
QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Nov 23, 2003 - 8:35 PM)
um. jason. you told me you sold the clip...and the celica was sold w/ the stock motor and all the other crap you had, like the kit and system and all that? so which it? either way, i've noticed lately you've been contradicting yourself quite a bit...also, where's that integra now??

Didn't he say he decided to scrap his 4agze plans and get rid of the celica to get an s2000?

It changes from day to day.

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QUOTE (1bwilson @ Dec 1, 2003 - 12:14 AM)
QUOTE (Mage @ Nov 30, 2003 - 10:26 PM)
QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Nov 23, 2003 - 8:35 PM)
um. jason. you told me you sold the clip...and the celica was sold w/ the stock motor and all the other crap you had, like the kit and system and all that? so which it? either way, i've noticed lately you've been contradicting yourself quite a bit...also, where's that integra now??

Didn't he say he decided to scrap his 4agze plans and get rid of the celica to get an s2000?

It changes from day to day.

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post Dec 1, 2003 - 8:34 AM
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Oops. Guess I made a boo-boo. I'm such a liar wink.gif

Actually, I attempted to buy an s2000 and an Eclipse GSX awhile back. Sadly I couldn't get anyone to buy my Celica for a reasonable price and then I went ahead later and bought my 4A Clip. The Clip sat at my mechanics garage for a month or two heading no where since I didn't have the money yet to pay for it going in. Finally I had the money and purchased an Intercooler, custom piping, OD Pulley, Intake etc... but still the 4A didn't get installed. Once again I attempted to sell my Celica, looking promising someone also wanted the 4A, well neither of those fell through so I said screw it and had it dropped in. Had the car running with it for 2-4 weeks with a 4A then it got sold. I now have a new '96 ST w/about 96,000 miles that i'm going to begin to Turbo.

The Integra has been sold off quite awhile now (as its not in my signature).

Nice try though fellas. smile.gif
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 1, 2003 - 8:34 AM)


Sure thing, bud.

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uh.. yea anyways.
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jason, do you have any pictures of your setup in the GZE Celi? or your new celi? cause you still got your old pics in your profile. and how was 200+ instant supercharged hp w/ LSD not good...? that makes no sense at all.

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post Dec 4, 2003 - 2:11 AM
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 1, 2003 - 6:34 AM)
Oops. Guess I made a boo-boo. I'm such a liar wink.gif

Actually, I attempted to buy an s2000 and an Eclipse GSX awhile back. Sadly I couldn't get anyone to buy my Celica for a reasonable price and then I went ahead later and bought my 4A Clip. The Clip sat at my mechanics garage for a month or two heading no where since I didn't have the money yet to pay for it going in. Finally I had the money and purchased an Intercooler, custom piping, OD Pulley, Intake etc... but still the 4A didn't get installed. Once again I attempted to sell my Celica, looking promising someone also wanted the 4A, well neither of those fell through so I said screw it and had it dropped in. Had the car running with it for 2-4 weeks with a 4A then it got sold. I now have a new '96 ST w/about 96,000 miles that i'm going to begin to Turbo.

The Integra has been sold off quite awhile now (as its not in my signature).

Nice try though fellas. smile.gif

oh see now it all makes perfect sense... rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
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I offered to show you those pics awhile ago John, but I dont have them anymore. The new Celica I don't have any yet either, its silver and everything is stock, except the interior pieces are a little scratched up (why I posted a WTB in the buying/selling section).

The same sound system from my old car is going into this Celica, but the rims and all went with the old Celica since they were pretty beat and worn in.

Umm.. the GZE with 200HP? Screw that. I still got it handed to me by a RSX Type S with my supposid "instant 200HP". Biggest waste of 4,000$+ in my life, hard lesson learned. Was trying to sell that Celica before the swap, but most people didnt want to deal with something so slow for my loan-payoff price, I made about 1,500$ back. Oh, and to add: I raced a GTS with the swap, i believe it was the last day I had the car and I barely beat a stock GTS by almost my whole car, was very disappointing.

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Why does this board attract so many compulsive liars?
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 9:34 AM)
I offered to show you those pics awhile ago John, but I dont have them anymore. The new Celica I don't have any yet either, its silver and everything is stock, except the interior pieces are a little scratched up (why I posted a WTB in the buying/selling section).

The same sound system from my old car is going into this Celica, but the rims and all went with the old Celica since they were pretty beat and worn in.

Umm.. the GZE with 200HP? Screw that. I still got it handed to me by a RSX Type S with my supposid "instant 200HP". Biggest waste of 4,000$+ in my life, hard lesson learned. Was trying to sell that Celica before the swap, but most people didnt want to deal with something so slow for my loan-payoff price, I made about 1,500$ back. Oh, and to add: I raced a GTS with the swap, i believe it was the last day I had the car and I barely beat a stock GTS by almost my whole car, was very disappointing.

So why don't you have the pictures anymore? Did your dog eat them?
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QUOTE (Mage @ Dec 4, 2003 - 4:04 PM)
Why does this board attract so many compulsive liars?

It's not just this board... it happens on lots of boards. This is why I took lots of pix and posted them... so that no one will accuse me of lying and talking out of my a$$...

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Yea, my digital dog ate them, his name was Ray. wink.gif

So i'm a liar because I don't have a billion pictures of the car? I've had 4 pictures of the Celica while I had it for over a year, those are the only 4 pictures, i'm not to worried about getting pictures, believe me or not, the swap was done, whether you've seen pictures or not, I put over 4,000$ into somewhere, and i'm pretty sure it wasn't to buy a crate of fresh oxygen.

Eh, well either way I don't have the Celica with the swap anymore, so past is past. Again, i'm not too worried if i'm believed, it was a waste of money. To those looking into the swap, its worthless, if you think i'm lieing, waste your own money to prove my point. The Celica I just bought is going Turbo. wink.gif

End of story.
good job boys.

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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 5:26 PM)
Yea, my digital dog ate them, his name was Ray. wink.gif

So i'm a liar because I don't have a billion pictures of the car? I've had 4 pictures of the Celica while I had it for over a year, those are the only 4 pictures, i'm not to worried about getting pictures, believe me or not, the swap was done, whether you've seen pictures or not, I put over 4,000$ into somewhere, and i'm pretty sure it wasn't to buy a crate of fresh oxygen.

Eh, well either way I don't have the Celica with the swap anymore, so past is past. Again, i'm not too worried if i'm believed, it was a waste of money. To those looking into the swap, its worthless, if you think i'm lieing, waste your own money to prove my point. The Celica I just bought is going Turbo. wink.gif

End of story.
good job boys.

Good job with rationalizing... and if you really don't care... then stop responding... and let the people speak their minds... *yawn*
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 9:34 AM)
I offered to show you those pics awhile ago John, but I dont have them anymore. The new Celica I don't have any yet either, its silver and everything is stock, except the interior pieces are a little scratched up (why I posted a WTB in the buying/selling section).

The same sound system from my old car is going into this Celica, but the rims and all went with the old Celica since they were pretty beat and worn in.

Umm.. the GZE with 200HP? Screw that. I still got it handed to me by a RSX Type S with my supposid "instant 200HP". Biggest waste of 4,000$+ in my life, hard lesson learned. Was trying to sell that Celica before the swap, but most people didnt want to deal with something so slow for my loan-payoff price, I made about 1,500$ back. Oh, and to add: I raced a GTS with the swap, i believe it was the last day I had the car and I barely beat a stock GTS by almost my whole car, was very disappointing.

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post Dec 4, 2003 - 11:14 PM
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The ratio of compulsive liars to the abundance of idiots seems pretty equal.
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QUOTE (kuya1284 @ Dec 4, 2003 - 6:41 PM)
QUOTE (Mage @ Dec 4, 2003 - 4:04 PM)
Why does this board attract so many compulsive liars?

It's not just this board... it happens on lots of boards. This is why I took lots of pix and posted them... so that no one will accuse me of lying and talking out of my a$$...

hehe

True. Some people on forums go at extreme lengths to construct some weird fantasy life, lying about such irrelevant stuff. I really don't get it. I mean, I don't understand why they would even CARE what other people on the internet think, let alone lie to them so dementedly. And it's so obvious when someone's lying anyways. Of course they always get defensive when called on it, or concoct some other hare-brained excuse about why they don't have pics/scans/etc.
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post Dec 5, 2003 - 12:33 AM
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 9:14 PM)
The ratio of compulsive liars to the abundance of idiots seems pretty equal.

And the sad truth is that you fall under both categories...
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QUOTE (kuya1284 @ Dec 4, 2003 - 11:33 PM)
QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 9:14 PM)
The ratio of compulsive liars to the abundance of idiots seems pretty equal.

And the sad truth is that you fall under both categories...

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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 6:26 PM)
So i'm a liar because I don't have a billion pictures of the car?

I would think that if you did the swap that you'd at least a picture or two.

And about the having the car for "2-4 weeks" with the swap... I think you would know exactly how long you drive a car that performs that different than it did before the swap, not just some vague frame of time
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QUOTE (BigEdge169 @ Dec 5, 2003 - 1:57 AM)
QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 6:26 PM)
So i'm a liar because I don't have a billion pictures of the car?

I would think that if you did the swap that you'd at least a picture or two.

And about the having the car for "2-4 weeks" with the swap... I think you would know exactly how long you drive a car that performs that different than it did before the swap, not just some vague frame of time

Nevertheless, there's no sense in arguing with a compulsive liar. These type of people lie so much that they actually BELIEVE their own lies... Not only do they delve so deeply into their artificially generated realities... they also hold true so adamantly to their fallicies that they think everyone who opposes him (or her) is crazy.

In plain English (for *cough* Jason *cough*), you believe what you want, and we'll believe want we want. But ultimately, we all know that you won't give a rats a$$ about us, and neither will everyone towards you. Let's just move on and drop this thread... No sense in wasting precious board space on people like this...
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Just to make you all look completely stupid, i'm in the middle of contacting the person that currently has the Celica. I'll grab some pictures of my Swapped Engine, the gauges, the manual transmission, the intercooler and the engine strapped inside itself. Hell, i'll even take a picture of the license plate so you can all come marvel and kiss my ass about how wrong and utterly pathetic you really look right here.

But then again, maybe I wont. I'm lieing, I admit it. smile.gif smile.gif smile.gif

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If the snow clears up here in the North East (which is probably a not happening according to Ray), I should have pictures tomorrow. If not, it'll have to wait till the roads clear up. Got to push that fantasy world down a few days. mad.gif

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Actually, wait no.. i dont really care.
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i thought you told me that you sold the car to your GF?

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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 5, 2003 - 6:02 PM)
Just to make you all look completely stupid, i'm in the middle of contacting the person that currently has the Celica.  I'll grab some pictures of my Swapped Engine, the gauges, the manual transmission, the intercooler and the engine strapped inside itself.  Hell, i'll even take a picture of the license plate so you can all come marvel and kiss my ass about how wrong and utterly pathetic you really look right here.

But then again, maybe I wont.  I'm lieing, I admit it. 

We've heard it all before. That you're lying is the only logical conclusion from all this, so I hardly see why that makes -us- "stupid." In fact, -you're- the one who claims to have taken pics but -stupidly- didn't put them up -anywhere-. You have to be one retarded moron to think people weren't going to be skeptical. And with all these stupidass excuses and backpeddling you've done, it's only made it dead certain that you'll never have proof about anything you've rambled about, ever.

And the only thing that's pathetic here is your self-delusion. If you seriously think people will "kiss your ass." or if you derive enjoyment from it, you should seek therapy. The fact that you even expect it shows how f*cked in the head you are.

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QUOTE (kuya1284 @ Dec 5, 2003 - 5:26 AM)
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 6:26 PM)
So i'm a liar because I don't have a billion pictures of the car?

I would think that if you did the swap that you'd at least a picture or two.

And about the having the car for "2-4 weeks" with the swap... I think you would know exactly how long you drive a car that performs that different than it did before the swap, not just some vague frame of time

Nevertheless, there's no sense in arguing with a compulsive liar. These type of people lie so much that they actually BELIEVE their own lies... Not only do they delve so deeply into their artificially generated realities... they also hold true so adamantly to their fallicies that they think everyone who opposes him (or her) is crazy.

In plain English (for *cough* Jason *cough*), you believe what you want, and we'll believe want we want. But ultimately, we all know that you won't give a rats a$$ about us, and neither will everyone towards you. Let's just move on and drop this thread... No sense in wasting precious board space on people like this...

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QUOTE (Mage @ Dec 5, 2003 - 11:30 PM)
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QUOTE (Jason @ Dec 4, 2003 - 6:26 PM)
So i'm a liar because I don't have a billion pictures of the car?

I would think that if you did the swap that you'd at least a picture or two.

And about the having the car for "2-4 weeks" with the swap... I think you would know exactly how long you drive a car that performs that different than it did before the swap, not just some vague frame of time

Nevertheless, there's no sense in arguing with a compulsive liar. These type of people lie so much that they actually BELIEVE their own lies... Not only do they delve so deeply into their artificially generated realities... they also hold true so adamantly to their fallicies that they think everyone who opposes him (or her) is crazy.

In plain English (for *cough* Jason *cough*), you believe what you want, and we'll believe want we want. But ultimately, we all know that you won't give a rats a$$ about us, and neither will everyone towards you. Let's just move on and drop this thread... No sense in wasting precious board space on people like this...

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HEY! did i say you could use my smilies? tongue.gif. kiddin bro. and um..i thought it was Matt that sold his Celica to his GF? eah. bleh. w/e. i just wanna see pics. just cause i wanna see a celica w/ this motor that's finished. however, i have only seen 2 6th gens w/ pics...mine, and another guy i talk to every now and again that's in the armed forces, so he's gone a lot...

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I'm pretty sure he told his girlfriend that he had a 9 inch penis and she fell for it, haha. Anyway, it's funny how the guy doesn't care if we believe him or not but he "went to the extent of contacting the owner of his car" to get some pictures to "make us look stupid". Why would you use your daily life time to do something for people that you don't care about? Hahaha this guy is loco en el coco tongue.gif
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QUOTE (Mynzeyes @ Dec 6, 2003 - 12:23 AM)
HEY! did i say you could use my smilies? tongue.gif. kiddin bro. and um..i thought it was Matt that sold his Celica to his GF? eah. bleh. w/e. i just wanna see pics. just cause i wanna see a celica w/ this motor that's finished. however, i have only seen 2 6th gens w/ pics...mine, and another guy i talk to every now and again that's in the armed forces, so he's gone a lot...

-John-

matt did say that, he also had an eclipse gst with a built engine and tranny and lsd running 17psi, which is safe on a stock engine with only a bigger turbo and some bigger injectors

well, in PM's on celica.net and here, he said that he just sold the car to his GF and that he wanted turbo information from me to turbo the car which his GF now had.

then he said that he picked up the celica he currently has and wants to turbo it.

his celica.net sig also says that he sold the 4agze that he had


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